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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by Goldie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Goldie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are they edible? How would they go with chips? Seriously though, they&#039;d better not be, otherwise they would really face some serious population pressure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they edible? How would they go with chips? Seriously though, they&#8217;d better not be, otherwise they would really face some serious population pressure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by d</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets face it someone could do some &quot;research&quot;  on kentucky Blue grass and the impact of global warming and probably get some grant money for it so its no wonder that we see articles like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets face it someone could do some &#8220;research&#8221;  on kentucky Blue grass and the impact of global warming and probably get some grant money for it so its no wonder that we see articles like this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oh, Canada! by wayne Job</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne Job]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a terrible shame that these &quot;scientists and researchers&quot; at cutting edge computer games are about to be asked to find new employment. Canada I am jealous, we still have an idiot in charge in OZ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a terrible shame that these &#8220;scientists and researchers&#8221; at cutting edge computer games are about to be asked to find new employment. Canada I am jealous, we still have an idiot in charge in OZ.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Monckton responds to Skeptical Science by Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David and Bob;
interesting point from a recent article about colours of skin:
It seems that black skin is shiny white in the UV, while light skin is deep black.  I.e., melanin reflects UV, thereby protecting the skin&#039;s DNA, etc.  But the effect in a UV camera is to switch the dark/light shades!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David and Bob;<br />
interesting point from a recent article about colours of skin:<br />
It seems that black skin is shiny white in the UV, while light skin is deep black.  I.e., melanin reflects UV, thereby protecting the skin&#8217;s DNA, etc.  But the effect in a UV camera is to switch the dark/light shades!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by Disko Troop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Disko Troop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoff...Feb 2012 is so important because we are coming up to the allocation of next years research grants.  Anyone who has not produced some global warnings this year will get nowt next year.  Q E D.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff&#8230;Feb 2012 is so important because we are coming up to the allocation of next years research grants.  Anyone who has not produced some global warnings this year will get nowt next year.  Q E D.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by Lars Silen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lars Silen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a competiviness point of view it seems obvious that it is enough that the water temperature goes below freezing occasinally. If a fish does&#039;nt have built in antifreeze the moment it gets really cold it dies. The cooling liquid in my car in southern Finland stands ca -40 deg C even if temperatures seldom go below -30. Should I replace the antifreeze with something meant for southern Europe? Surely not because even a short temperature dip could be totally destructive and extremely expensive. I could see no indication in the graphs that the water environment where the fish lives is warming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a competiviness point of view it seems obvious that it is enough that the water temperature goes below freezing occasinally. If a fish does&#8217;nt have built in antifreeze the moment it gets really cold it dies. The cooling liquid in my car in southern Finland stands ca -40 deg C even if temperatures seldom go below -30. Should I replace the antifreeze with something meant for southern Europe? Surely not because even a short temperature dip could be totally destructive and extremely expensive. I could see no indication in the graphs that the water environment where the fish lives is warming.</p>
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		<title>Comment on German skeptics Lüning and Vahrenholt respond to criticism by Bernd Felsche</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bernd Felsche]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DirkH @ February 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm

George E. Smith; says
“Well Dirk, I can only relay what they told me; as for my German skills, I astonished them by telling them that I was able to literally tour all over Munich on the weekend by picking a road and following that road all over the city. They didn’t know of any such road so they asked me which road that was; “Einbahnstrasse” was my reply. They then clued me in as to what street that really was.”
:-)
For Non-German readers: Einbahnstrasse is one-way street

Don&#039;t spoil it. I like to show videos of the Autobahn to illustrate that they all lead to &quot;Ausfahrt&quot; ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DirkH @ February 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm</p>
<p>George E. Smith; says<br />
“Well Dirk, I can only relay what they told me; as for my German skills, I astonished them by telling them that I was able to literally tour all over Munich on the weekend by picking a road and following that road all over the city. They didn’t know of any such road so they asked me which road that was; “Einbahnstrasse” was my reply. They then clued me in as to what street that really was.”<br />
:-)<br />
For Non-German readers: Einbahnstrasse is one-way street</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t spoil it. I like to show videos of the Autobahn to illustrate that they all lead to &#8220;Ausfahrt&#8221; ;-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oh, Canada! by Michael Schaefer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Schaefer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does the canadian environment care about the loss of &quot;enviromental science&quot;?

I think not...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the canadian environment care about the loss of &#8220;enviromental science&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by Doug Cotton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Cotton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gee, you&#039;d think the fish would have the sense to join the penguins and hang around a bit further South.  It should be nice and cool under an iceberg or two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, you&#8217;d think the fish would have the sense to join the penguins and hang around a bit further South.  It should be nice and cool under an iceberg or two.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by rossbrisbane</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new paper Increasing rates of ice mass loss from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets revealed by GRACE (Velicogna 2009) analyses the latest results from the GRACE satellite data to discern the trend in mass change in the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets.

Antarctica is losing ICE MASS - seasonal SEA ICE does tell the real picture.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL040222.shtml

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif

Figure 2: Time series of ice mass changes for the Antarctic ice sheet estimated from GRACE monthly mass solutions for the period from April 2002 to February 2009. Unfiltered data are blue crosses. Data filtered for the seasonal dependence using a 13-month window are shown as red crosses. The best-fitting quadratic trend is shown (green line).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new paper Increasing rates of ice mass loss from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets revealed by GRACE (Velicogna 2009) analyses the latest results from the GRACE satellite data to discern the trend in mass change in the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets.</p>
<p>Antarctica is losing ICE MASS &#8211; seasonal SEA ICE does tell the real picture.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL040222.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL040222.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif</a></p>
<p>Figure 2: Time series of ice mass changes for the Antarctic ice sheet estimated from GRACE monthly mass solutions for the period from April 2002 to February 2009. Unfiltered data are blue crosses. Data filtered for the seasonal dependence using a 13-month window are shown as red crosses. The best-fitting quadratic trend is shown (green line).</p>
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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by Charles.U.Farley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles.U.Farley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh deary me! This fish might die if it cannot adapt. 
We must spend more money in third world countries and de-industrialise the whole planet if theyre to survive. 

Natural selection in action- adapt to survive, just like every other species thats ever existed-anywhere.
Headobangosaurus was a dinosaur that lived about a month after nature decided to program it to bash its brains in on a wall for no reason, so quite surprisingly it died out then......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh deary me! This fish might die if it cannot adapt.<br />
We must spend more money in third world countries and de-industrialise the whole planet if theyre to survive. </p>
<p>Natural selection in action- adapt to survive, just like every other species thats ever existed-anywhere.<br />
Headobangosaurus was a dinosaur that lived about a month after nature decided to program it to bash its brains in on a wall for no reason, so quite surprisingly it died out then&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on A fish story from Antarctica by Antonia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; ... a lineage of fish adapted to newly formed polar conditions&quot;. OK, so why can&#039;t a lineage of fish adapt to newly formed warmer conditions if they occur? What&#039;s the problem? 

Why do climate scientists and Greens think the earth&#039;s climate should remain the same as it was when they were 20, or 10? With that mindset they are the real &#039;deniers&#039; of climate change. The rest of us accept that climate does change and that the only intelligent response is to adapt to it. Like the fish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; a lineage of fish adapted to newly formed polar conditions&#8221;. OK, so why can&#8217;t a lineage of fish adapt to newly formed warmer conditions if they occur? What&#8217;s the problem? </p>
<p>Why do climate scientists and Greens think the earth&#8217;s climate should remain the same as it was when they were 20, or 10? With that mindset they are the real &#8216;deniers&#8217; of climate change. The rest of us accept that climate does change and that the only intelligent response is to adapt to it. Like the fish.</p>
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		<title>Comment on German skeptics Lüning and Vahrenholt respond to criticism by John Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robertvdl says:
February 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Dr. Tim Ball thanks for the hard work you have done for so many years.They have attacked you on all possible ways but you stood firm in the storm. Never have so many owed so much to a man so humiliated.

Robert van de Leur

I&#039;ll second that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robertvdl says:<br />
February 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm<br />
Dr. Tim Ball thanks for the hard work you have done for so many years.They have attacked you on all possible ways but you stood firm in the storm. Never have so many owed so much to a man so humiliated.</p>
<p>Robert van de Leur</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll second that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oh, Canada! by Charles.U.Farley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles.U.Farley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Canada has finally woken up to the fact that for all their efforts to collect good data, the bad &quot;science&quot; its used in by bad &quot;scientists&quot; means they might as well not bother and save themselves some time, effort and money.
Way to go warmers, corrupted the whole scientific method with your brand of green lunacy, dont be surprised when it comes off the rails.

Canada! Good for you guys! Others should soon follow suit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada has finally woken up to the fact that for all their efforts to collect good data, the bad &#8220;science&#8221; its used in by bad &#8220;scientists&#8221; means they might as well not bother and save themselves some time, effort and money.<br />
Way to go warmers, corrupted the whole scientific method with your brand of green lunacy, dont be surprised when it comes off the rails.</p>
<p>Canada! Good for you guys! Others should soon follow suit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do Latest Solar Studies Confirm Upcoming Global Cooling? by Doug Cotton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Cotton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes there should be some very slight cooling until about 2028, but the long-term ~1000 year cycle has yet to reach a maximum, not that it looks like being much to worry about.

There have clearly been alternating periods of long term warming and cooling in the vicinity of 500 years each between: Roman warming, Dark Ages cooling, Medieval Warming Period, Little Ice Age, 21st or 22nd century warming.  There is some indication of this cycle before Roman times also I believe.
 
We can still detect this long term trend in recorded data for the period since 1900 for example. To do so, we need to compensate for shorter periods of the order of 30 years of warming and cooling, as well as shorter solar cycles.
 
All this can be done effectively using the concepts of derivatives and second derivatives in calculus. By calculating a 30 year trend every month on a moving basis we can firstly obtain a plot of the rate of change (gradient) and then we fit a logical “axis” trend to that plot. By taking this additional step we overcome “cherry picking” accusations because it makes very little difference whether the initial periods were 20, 30 or 40 years for example. The final trend line is similar.
 
What this yellow line (at the foot of my Home page http://climate-change-theory.com ) . indicates is that around 1915 the rate of increase was about 0.06 deg.C per decade, but it has now declined to about 0.05 deg.C per decade. There is a reasonable probability that this yellow line will slope down more, heading for zero maybe within 200 years or so. That would indicate a long term maximum in the trend of only about 0.7 to 1.0 deg.C above the current trend, though there could be shorter-term superimposed maxima and minima maybe up to a degree above the trend. However, 500 years of cooling should follow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes there should be some very slight cooling until about 2028, but the long-term ~1000 year cycle has yet to reach a maximum, not that it looks like being much to worry about.</p>
<p>There have clearly been alternating periods of long term warming and cooling in the vicinity of 500 years each between: Roman warming, Dark Ages cooling, Medieval Warming Period, Little Ice Age, 21st or 22nd century warming.  There is some indication of this cycle before Roman times also I believe.</p>
<p>We can still detect this long term trend in recorded data for the period since 1900 for example. To do so, we need to compensate for shorter periods of the order of 30 years of warming and cooling, as well as shorter solar cycles.</p>
<p>All this can be done effectively using the concepts of derivatives and second derivatives in calculus. By calculating a 30 year trend every month on a moving basis we can firstly obtain a plot of the rate of change (gradient) and then we fit a logical “axis” trend to that plot. By taking this additional step we overcome “cherry picking” accusations because it makes very little difference whether the initial periods were 20, 30 or 40 years for example. The final trend line is similar.</p>
<p>What this yellow line (at the foot of my Home page <a href="http://climate-change-theory.com" rel="nofollow">http://climate-change-theory.com</a> ) . indicates is that around 1915 the rate of increase was about 0.06 deg.C per decade, but it has now declined to about 0.05 deg.C per decade. There is a reasonable probability that this yellow line will slope down more, heading for zero maybe within 200 years or so. That would indicate a long term maximum in the trend of only about 0.7 to 1.0 deg.C above the current trend, though there could be shorter-term superimposed maxima and minima maybe up to a degree above the trend. However, 500 years of cooling should follow.</p>
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