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		<title>Comment on Paging David Appell and Nick Stokes again: time to fess up and apologize by Ian E</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/28/paging-david-appell-and-nick-stokes-again-time-to-fess-up-and-apologize/#comment-995837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;wayne Job says:
 May 29, 2012 at 3:02 am
Australia has a fairly large land area with a small population compared to America, it is inconceivable that we could beat you at anything. However there is one thing that we are beating you at hands down. We have more idiots per square mile than you have.&#039;

I&#039;m not so sure - California surely tips the balance in the USA&#039;s favour!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;wayne Job says:<br />
 May 29, 2012 at 3:02 am<br />
Australia has a fairly large land area with a small population compared to America, it is inconceivable that we could beat you at anything. However there is one thing that we are beating you at hands down. We have more idiots per square mile than you have.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure &#8211; California surely tips the balance in the USA&#8217;s favour!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paging David Appell and Nick Stokes again: time to fess up and apologize by Ian E</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seen any good porcine aviators lately?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen any good porcine aviators lately?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Observational Estimate of Climate Sensitivity by Joezee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joezee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If slope is a measure of time lag and the SH has more water why does it not have a steeper slope?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If slope is a measure of time lag and the SH has more water why does it not have a steeper slope?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Observational Estimate of Climate Sensitivity by wayne Job</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne Job]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good analysis of the readily available data Willis.  The very small increase from Co2 is virtually irrelevant.     That no one has yet proved that CO2 is a positive forcing and a zero or negative impact could be the real result and with the forcing added you get a small result.

 Maybe we are cooling. What result do you get if you take out the 3.7 Watts/Metre.

 84 to 98 numbers are old, now are up to date numbers available that you can do the same with?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good analysis of the readily available data Willis.  The very small increase from Co2 is virtually irrelevant.     That no one has yet proved that CO2 is a positive forcing and a zero or negative impact could be the real result and with the forcing added you get a small result.</p>
<p> Maybe we are cooling. What result do you get if you take out the 3.7 Watts/Metre.</p>
<p> 84 to 98 numbers are old, now are up to date numbers available that you can do the same with?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Observational Estimate of Climate Sensitivity by Tony Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A possible source of error. In the annual cycle, does the temperature actually reach equilibrium or is it prevented from doing that by the changing season? If not, that might explain your smaller than expected Tau values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A possible source of error. In the annual cycle, does the temperature actually reach equilibrium or is it prevented from doing that by the changing season? If not, that might explain your smaller than expected Tau values.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Observational Estimate of Climate Sensitivity by Ron Manley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Manley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual a worthwhile effort.

I&#039;m a bit mystified as to how you got from 3.7 w/m2 as the equilibrium climate sensitivity to 0.4C and 0.2C for the northern and southern hemispheres respectively. If you use the normally accepted conversion of 3.2 W /m2/ C you get the value of 1.16 C per CO2e doubling, which is closer to normally accepted value of sensitivity without positive feedback.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual a worthwhile effort.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit mystified as to how you got from 3.7 w/m2 as the equilibrium climate sensitivity to 0.4C and 0.2C for the northern and southern hemispheres respectively. If you use the normally accepted conversion of 3.2 W /m2/ C you get the value of 1.16 C per CO2e doubling, which is closer to normally accepted value of sensitivity without positive feedback.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Apathy and the climate change divide &#8211; it isn&#8217;t about science literacy by Otter</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LazyTeenager says:
And more people who have more resources to come up with ingenious justifications for preconceived but crazy ideas.

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YOu mean like AGW, lazy?

And guess who has the &lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt; resources, lazy?
Sure as Hell not the Skeptics. We just have the greater education. One has Lots of time to think for themselves, when they are not on the government dole, trying to think for the politicians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LazyTeenager says:<br />
And more people who have more resources to come up with ingenious justifications for preconceived but crazy ideas.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>YOu mean like AGW, lazy?</p>
<p>And guess who has the <b>most</b> resources, lazy?<br />
Sure as Hell not the Skeptics. We just have the greater education. One has Lots of time to think for themselves, when they are not on the government dole, trying to think for the politicians.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup by Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a comparison, it&#039;s hard to make a gas engine seize up; you have to ignore oil lights and overheating etc. for some time, and drive at fairly high speed anyway.  But it happens rather frequently, far more often (relatively) than bricking.  

I confess: when much younger, I did it to a Beetle.  Somewhat later, my by-then ex did it to a Civic.  Much more dramatic than a &quot;bricking&quot;, I suspect!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a comparison, it&#8217;s hard to make a gas engine seize up; you have to ignore oil lights and overheating etc. for some time, and drive at fairly high speed anyway.  But it happens rather frequently, far more often (relatively) than bricking.  </p>
<p>I confess: when much younger, I did it to a Beetle.  Somewhat later, my by-then ex did it to a Civic.  Much more dramatic than a &#8220;bricking&#8221;, I suspect!</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Observational Estimate of Climate Sensitivity by Ian W</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Willis this is so apparently straightforward one wonders why it has not been done previously.  

It would be nice to have it emphasized that the &#039;Temperature&#039; you are using is the &lt;i&gt;atmospheric temperature&lt;/i&gt; and not a global surface temperature.  

Looking at the SST from http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom_new.gif (for the 28 May) and considering the Northern Hemisphere warms faster, things look a little cool for 3 weeks (half a Tau) before midsummer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis this is so apparently straightforward one wonders why it has not been done previously.  </p>
<p>It would be nice to have it emphasized that the &#8216;Temperature&#8217; you are using is the <i>atmospheric temperature</i> and not a global surface temperature.  </p>
<p>Looking at the SST from <a href="http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom_new.gif" rel="nofollow">http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom_new.gif</a> (for the 28 May) and considering the Northern Hemisphere warms faster, things look a little cool for 3 weeks (half a Tau) before midsummer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Observational Estimate of Climate Sensitivity by steveta_uk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does this not assume that the effect of an external change in forcing (i.e. solar) is the same as an internal change in forcing (i.e. GHG)?

I think the problem with this is that the external change is &quot;outside&quot; the albedo effect, whereas the GHG change is not - so there is no direct way to compare the effects.

This may well be nonsense - but I&#039;m uneasy about the comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this not assume that the effect of an external change in forcing (i.e. solar) is the same as an internal change in forcing (i.e. GHG)?</p>
<p>I think the problem with this is that the external change is &#8220;outside&#8221; the albedo effect, whereas the GHG change is not &#8211; so there is no direct way to compare the effects.</p>
<p>This may well be nonsense &#8211; but I&#8217;m uneasy about the comparison.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup by Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;DirkH says:
May 28, 2012 at 7:45 am

Brian H says:
May 28, 2012 at 12:13 am
“And the SEPP comment is stupid. It’s not supposed to be a low-cost car; it competes with premium and luxury models. Check out teslarumors.com for cost analyses over 5-10 yrs.”

Do the analyses include occasional “bricking”?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Bricking is very hard to achieve, and has gotten much harder with even better tech and driver info.  But, as Murphy sez, &quot;Making anything foolproof is impossible, because fools are so ingenious!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>DirkH says:<br />
May 28, 2012 at 7:45 am</p>
<p>Brian H says:<br />
May 28, 2012 at 12:13 am<br />
“And the SEPP comment is stupid. It’s not supposed to be a low-cost car; it competes with premium and luxury models. Check out teslarumors.com for cost analyses over 5-10 yrs.”</p>
<p>Do the analyses include occasional “bricking”?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Bricking is very hard to achieve, and has gotten much harder with even better tech and driver info.  But, as Murphy sez, &#8220;Making anything foolproof is impossible, because fools are so ingenious!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paging David Appell and Nick Stokes again: time to fess up and apologize by wayne Job</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wayne Job]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Australia has a fairly large land area with a small population compared to America, it is inconceivable that we could beat you at anything. However there is one thing that we are beating you at hands down. We have more idiots per square mile than you have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia has a fairly large land area with a small population compared to America, it is inconceivable that we could beat you at anything. However there is one thing that we are beating you at hands down. We have more idiots per square mile than you have.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paging David Appell and Nick Stokes again: time to fess up and apologize by David L</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You assume these guys want to get to THE truth of the matter (reality)....they only care about THEIR &quot;truth&quot;, their reality, their fantasy land.  They won&#039;t be bothered with facts that don&#039;t support their fantasy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You assume these guys want to get to THE truth of the matter (reality)&#8230;.they only care about THEIR &#8220;truth&#8221;, their reality, their fantasy land.  They won&#8217;t be bothered with facts that don&#8217;t support their fantasy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Observational Estimate of Climate Sensitivity by Allan MacRae</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan MacRae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 10:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Willis,

I wrote the following in 2009, and probably did the calculations in about 2002. I will not bother to try to find them – just assume I used a Ouija Board and a forked willow stick.

But my number was 0.3C – so we MUST both be correct!

Best regards, Allan

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/30/is-climate-change-the-%e2%80%9cdefining-challenge-of-our-age%e2%80%9d-part-3-of-3/#comment-125314
 
Allan M R MacRae (02:46:26) : 
Indur Goklany (21:25:46) : 

Excellent comments Indur - thank you.

Bill, 

In science, first there is Hypothesis, then Theory (Evolution) and finally Law (Gravity). 

Catastrophic humanmade global warming is still only a hypothesis, and I would suggest it is already a failed one. All evidence suggests that the sensitivity of Earth temperature to CO2 is at most 0.3C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 from 280 to 560 ppm. This is not a problem for the planet. 

The sensitivity might be even lower - there has been no net global warming since 1940, in spite of an 800% increase in humanmade CO2 emissions. The only noticeable impact is that we have made little plants happy.

Regards, Allan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Willis,</p>
<p>I wrote the following in 2009, and probably did the calculations in about 2002. I will not bother to try to find them – just assume I used a Ouija Board and a forked willow stick.</p>
<p>But my number was 0.3C – so we MUST both be correct!</p>
<p>Best regards, Allan</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/30/is-climate-change-the-%e2%80%9cdefining-challenge-of-our-age%e2%80%9d-part-3-of-3/#comment-125314" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/30/is-climate-change-the-%e2%80%9cdefining-challenge-of-our-age%e2%80%9d-part-3-of-3/#comment-125314</a></p>
<p>Allan M R MacRae (02:46:26) :<br />
Indur Goklany (21:25:46) : </p>
<p>Excellent comments Indur &#8211; thank you.</p>
<p>Bill, </p>
<p>In science, first there is Hypothesis, then Theory (Evolution) and finally Law (Gravity). </p>
<p>Catastrophic humanmade global warming is still only a hypothesis, and I would suggest it is already a failed one. All evidence suggests that the sensitivity of Earth temperature to CO2 is at most 0.3C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 from 280 to 560 ppm. This is not a problem for the planet. </p>
<p>The sensitivity might be even lower &#8211; there has been no net global warming since 1940, in spite of an 800% increase in humanmade CO2 emissions. The only noticeable impact is that we have made little plants happy.</p>
<p>Regards, Allan</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 09:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick-set Epoxy and a guy wearing a traffic cone on his head really sum up this ridiculous pathetic bit of over-hyped propaganda.  Shame falls of ANU again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick-set Epoxy and a guy wearing a traffic cone on his head really sum up this ridiculous pathetic bit of over-hyped propaganda.  Shame falls of ANU again.</p>
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