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		<title>Comment on Release of CRU files forges a new hockey stick reconstruction by DaveE</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/release-of-cru-files-forge-a-new-hockey-stick-reconstruction/#comment-229569</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon Filiatrault (03:11:42) :

&lt;blockquote&gt;The sad part of all this, it that 90% or more of the population don’t know what is happening. They only look at little clips on the news that mann ops men is killing the planet and change channel to look at Oprah.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t be so sure about that.

I was in my local Lidl store &amp; mentioned that the sh1t was hitting the fan over climate science and the disclosures/leaks from CRU. The cashier at the till actually knew what I was talking about! He hadn&#039;t heard of Lucias blackboard but you can&#039;t have everything. He had heard of CA &amp; WUWT though.

DaveE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Filiatrault (03:11:42) :</p>
<blockquote><p>The sad part of all this, it that 90% or more of the population don’t know what is happening. They only look at little clips on the news that mann ops men is killing the planet and change channel to look at Oprah.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t be so sure about that.</p>
<p>I was in my local Lidl store &amp; mentioned that the sh1t was hitting the fan over climate science and the disclosures/leaks from CRU. The cashier at the till actually knew what I was talking about! He hadn&#8217;t heard of Lucias blackboard but you can&#8217;t have everything. He had heard of CA &amp; WUWT though.</p>
<p>DaveE.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Breaking News Story: CRU has apparently been hacked &#8211; hundreds of files released by Gene Nemetz</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#comment-229568</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Nemetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a kind of scientific integrity, a principle of scientific thought that corresponds to a kind of utter honesty – a kind of leaning over backwards. For example, if you’re doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid–not only what you think is right about it: other causes that could possibly explain your results; and things you thought of that you’ve eliminated by some other experiment, and how they worked – to make sure the other fellow can tell they have been eliminated.

    Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know them. You must do the best you can – if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly wrong – to explain it. If you make a theory, for example, and advertise it, or put it out, then you must also put down all the facts that disagree with it, as well as those that agree with it. There is also a more subtle problem. When you have put a lot of ideas together to make an elaborate theory, you want to make sure, when explaining what it fits, that those things it fits are not just the things that gave you the idea for the theory; but that the finished theory makes something else come out right, in addition.

    In summary, the idea is to try to give all of the information to help others to judge the value of your contribution; not just the information that leads to judgment in one particular direction or another.&quot;

~~Richard Feynman

h/t Lubos Motl!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a kind of scientific integrity, a principle of scientific thought that corresponds to a kind of utter honesty – a kind of leaning over backwards. For example, if you’re doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid–not only what you think is right about it: other causes that could possibly explain your results; and things you thought of that you’ve eliminated by some other experiment, and how they worked – to make sure the other fellow can tell they have been eliminated.</p>
<p>    Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know them. You must do the best you can – if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly wrong – to explain it. If you make a theory, for example, and advertise it, or put it out, then you must also put down all the facts that disagree with it, as well as those that agree with it. There is also a more subtle problem. When you have put a lot of ideas together to make an elaborate theory, you want to make sure, when explaining what it fits, that those things it fits are not just the things that gave you the idea for the theory; but that the finished theory makes something else come out right, in addition.</p>
<p>    In summary, the idea is to try to give all of the information to help others to judge the value of your contribution; not just the information that leads to judgment in one particular direction or another.&#8221;</p>
<p>~~Richard Feynman</p>
<p>h/t Lubos Motl!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by hunter</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229567</link>
		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RC does not seem to actually be as open as may seem.
I posted a very mild piece over there yesterday, and it showed up.
The posts I made today, which were not inflammatory at all, do not even get posted:
If you found out your 401-k was being managed like these guys are managing climate science, what would you do?
Would you trust what they told you?
Would you keep your money with them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC does not seem to actually be as open as may seem.<br />
I posted a very mild piece over there yesterday, and it showed up.<br />
The posts I made today, which were not inflammatory at all, do not even get posted:<br />
If you found out your 401-k was being managed like these guys are managing climate science, what would you do?<br />
Would you trust what they told you?<br />
Would you keep your money with them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mike&#8217;s Nature Trick by JP</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/mikes-nature-trick/#comment-229566</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where the real danger for the Alarmists lie is in the documents that were presented to Congress to debate the various issues at hand (ex. the now infamous Inhofe Hearings). As Barry Bonds and Clemens are now finding out, those hearings are not friendly get-togethers. If the information Mann et al presented to InHofe&#039;s Committee contained fraudulent information, and if grant requests contained fraudulant information, those people can be indicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where the real danger for the Alarmists lie is in the documents that were presented to Congress to debate the various issues at hand (ex. the now infamous Inhofe Hearings). As Barry Bonds and Clemens are now finding out, those hearings are not friendly get-togethers. If the information Mann et al presented to InHofe&#8217;s Committee contained fraudulent information, and if grant requests contained fraudulant information, those people can be indicted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by austin</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229565</link>
		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All - ALL RAW data - should be in one place in one modern relational database on modern server hardware and storage for people to access. Then, the sql and resulting, subsequent analysis could be published, making it easy for anyone to repeat or or criticize the results. 

The data sets are quite small by modern database standards - just a few million rows. This could be done quite easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All &#8211; ALL RAW data &#8211; should be in one place in one modern relational database on modern server hardware and storage for people to access. Then, the sql and resulting, subsequent analysis could be published, making it easy for anyone to repeat or or criticize the results. </p>
<p>The data sets are quite small by modern database standards &#8211; just a few million rows. This could be done quite easily.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Release of CRU files forges a new hockey stick reconstruction by Allan12</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/release-of-cru-files-forge-a-new-hockey-stick-reconstruction/#comment-229564</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lies and conspiracies of the global warming scoundrels have been exposed.

 

It&#039;s the End of the Global Warming Gravy Train.

 

Tout le monde descend, s&#039;il vous plait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lies and conspiracies of the global warming scoundrels have been exposed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the End of the Global Warming Gravy Train.</p>
<p>Tout le monde descend, s&#8217;il vous plait.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by Torquatus</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229563</link>
		<dc:creator>Torquatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Ben Santer comes across as quite the bully.   Consider these snippets, in chronological order...

I looked at some of the stuff on the Climate Audit web site. I&#039;d really like to talk to a few of these &quot;Auditors&quot; in a dark alley.  / 25 Apr 2007

Douglass is the guy who famously concluded (after examining the temperature response to Pinatubo) that the climate system has negative sensitivity. Amazingly, he managed to publish that crap in GRL. Christy sure does manage to pick some brilliant scientific collaborators... / 12 Dec 2007

[H]appy holidays! May all your &quot;Singers&quot; be carol singers, and not of the S. Fred variety... / 13 Dec 2007

I share your frustration about having to devote valuable time to the rebuttal of crappy papers. Douglass et al. is truly awful. It should never have been published. Any residual respect I might have had for John Christy has now vanished. I can&#039;t believe that he&#039;s a coauthor on this garbage. / 04 Jan 2008

This is a little disappointing. We decided to submit our paper to IJoC in order to correct serious scientific errors in the Douglass et al. IJoC paper. We believe that there is some urgency here. Extraordinary claims are being made regarding the scientific value of the Douglass et al. paper, in part by co-authors of that paper. One co-author (S. Fred Singer) has used the findings of Douglass et al. to buttress his argument that &quot;Nature not CO2, rules the climate&quot;. The longer such erroneous claims are made without any form of scientific rebuttal, the more harm is caused. In our communications with Dr. Osborn, we were informed that the review process would be handled as expeditiously as possible. Had I known that it would take nearly two months until we received a complete set of review comments, I would not have submitted our paper to IJoC. / 05 May 2008

Dr. Douglass: … I note that you did not have the professional courtesy to provide me with any advance information about your 2007 IJoC paper, which was basically a commentary on previously-published work by myself and my colleagues. Neither I nor any of the authors of those previously-published works … had the opportunity to review your 2007 IJoC paper prior to its publication - presumably because you specifically requested that we should be excluded from consideration as possible reviewers.  … I see no conceivable reason why I should now send you an advance copy of my IJoC paper. Collegiality is not a one-way street, Professor Douglass.” / 27 May 2008

Prof. Douglass, … you have access to the same model and observational data that we used in our 2008 IJoC paper. … You are quick to threaten your intent to file formal complaints against me &quot;with the journal and other scientific bodies&quot;. If I were you, Dr. Douglass, I would instead focus my energies on rectifying the serious error in the &quot;robust statistical test&quot; that you applied to compare modeled and observed temperature trends. … Please do not communicate with me in the future. / 14 Oct 2008

While on travel in Hawaii, I received a request from Steven McIntyre for all of  the model data used in our IJoC paper (see forwarded email). After some conversation with my PCMDI colleagues, I have decided not to respond to McIntyre&#039;s request. / 31 Oct 2008

Dear Mr. McIntyre, I gather that your intent is to &quot;audit&quot; the findings of our recently-published paper in the International Journal of Climatology (IJoC).  … I gather that you have appointed yourself as an independent arbiter of the appropriate use of statistical tools in climate research. Rather that &quot;auditing&quot; our paper, you should be directing your attention to the 2007 IJoC paper published by David Douglass et al., which contains an egregious statistical error.  Please do not communicate with me in the future. / 10 Nov 2008

Yeah, I had already seen the stuff from McIntyre. Tom Peterson sent it to me. McIntyre has absolutely no understanding of climate science. … I see that McIntyre has put email correspondence with me in the Supporting Information of his paper. What a jerk! / 29 Jan 2009

Congratulations on the AGU Fellowship! … I hope that Mr. Mc &quot;I&#039;m not entirely there in the head&quot; isn&#039;t there to spoil the occasion... / 29 Jan 2009

Dear Mr. Smith, Please do not lecture me on &quot;good science and replicability&quot;. … Your criticism was entirely unjustified, and damaging to my professional reputation. I therefore see no point in establishing a dialogue with you. Please do not communicate with me in the future. I do not give you permission to distribute this email or post it on Mr. McIntyre&#039;s blog. / 30 Jan 2009

The CEI and Michaels are applying impossible legal standards to science. … In my personal opinion, Michaels should be kicked out of the AMS, the University of Virginia, and the scientific community as a whole. He cannot on the one hand engage in vicious public attacks on the reputations of individual scientists … and on the other hand expect to be treated as a valued member of our professional societies. / 09 Oct 2009

Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I&#039;ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted. / 09 Oct 2009</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Ben Santer comes across as quite the bully.   Consider these snippets, in chronological order&#8230;</p>
<p>I looked at some of the stuff on the Climate Audit web site. I&#8217;d really like to talk to a few of these &#8220;Auditors&#8221; in a dark alley.  / 25 Apr 2007</p>
<p>Douglass is the guy who famously concluded (after examining the temperature response to Pinatubo) that the climate system has negative sensitivity. Amazingly, he managed to publish that crap in GRL. Christy sure does manage to pick some brilliant scientific collaborators&#8230; / 12 Dec 2007</p>
<p>[H]appy holidays! May all your &#8220;Singers&#8221; be carol singers, and not of the S. Fred variety&#8230; / 13 Dec 2007</p>
<p>I share your frustration about having to devote valuable time to the rebuttal of crappy papers. Douglass et al. is truly awful. It should never have been published. Any residual respect I might have had for John Christy has now vanished. I can&#8217;t believe that he&#8217;s a coauthor on this garbage. / 04 Jan 2008</p>
<p>This is a little disappointing. We decided to submit our paper to IJoC in order to correct serious scientific errors in the Douglass et al. IJoC paper. We believe that there is some urgency here. Extraordinary claims are being made regarding the scientific value of the Douglass et al. paper, in part by co-authors of that paper. One co-author (S. Fred Singer) has used the findings of Douglass et al. to buttress his argument that &#8220;Nature not CO2, rules the climate&#8221;. The longer such erroneous claims are made without any form of scientific rebuttal, the more harm is caused. In our communications with Dr. Osborn, we were informed that the review process would be handled as expeditiously as possible. Had I known that it would take nearly two months until we received a complete set of review comments, I would not have submitted our paper to IJoC. / 05 May 2008</p>
<p>Dr. Douglass: … I note that you did not have the professional courtesy to provide me with any advance information about your 2007 IJoC paper, which was basically a commentary on previously-published work by myself and my colleagues. Neither I nor any of the authors of those previously-published works … had the opportunity to review your 2007 IJoC paper prior to its publication &#8211; presumably because you specifically requested that we should be excluded from consideration as possible reviewers.  … I see no conceivable reason why I should now send you an advance copy of my IJoC paper. Collegiality is not a one-way street, Professor Douglass.” / 27 May 2008</p>
<p>Prof. Douglass, … you have access to the same model and observational data that we used in our 2008 IJoC paper. … You are quick to threaten your intent to file formal complaints against me &#8220;with the journal and other scientific bodies&#8221;. If I were you, Dr. Douglass, I would instead focus my energies on rectifying the serious error in the &#8220;robust statistical test&#8221; that you applied to compare modeled and observed temperature trends. … Please do not communicate with me in the future. / 14 Oct 2008</p>
<p>While on travel in Hawaii, I received a request from Steven McIntyre for all of  the model data used in our IJoC paper (see forwarded email). After some conversation with my PCMDI colleagues, I have decided not to respond to McIntyre&#8217;s request. / 31 Oct 2008</p>
<p>Dear Mr. McIntyre, I gather that your intent is to &#8220;audit&#8221; the findings of our recently-published paper in the International Journal of Climatology (IJoC).  … I gather that you have appointed yourself as an independent arbiter of the appropriate use of statistical tools in climate research. Rather that &#8220;auditing&#8221; our paper, you should be directing your attention to the 2007 IJoC paper published by David Douglass et al., which contains an egregious statistical error.  Please do not communicate with me in the future. / 10 Nov 2008</p>
<p>Yeah, I had already seen the stuff from McIntyre. Tom Peterson sent it to me. McIntyre has absolutely no understanding of climate science. … I see that McIntyre has put email correspondence with me in the Supporting Information of his paper. What a jerk! / 29 Jan 2009</p>
<p>Congratulations on the AGU Fellowship! … I hope that Mr. Mc &#8220;I&#8217;m not entirely there in the head&#8221; isn&#8217;t there to spoil the occasion&#8230; / 29 Jan 2009</p>
<p>Dear Mr. Smith, Please do not lecture me on &#8220;good science and replicability&#8221;. … Your criticism was entirely unjustified, and damaging to my professional reputation. I therefore see no point in establishing a dialogue with you. Please do not communicate with me in the future. I do not give you permission to distribute this email or post it on Mr. McIntyre&#8217;s blog. / 30 Jan 2009</p>
<p>The CEI and Michaels are applying impossible legal standards to science. … In my personal opinion, Michaels should be kicked out of the AMS, the University of Virginia, and the scientific community as a whole. He cannot on the one hand engage in vicious public attacks on the reputations of individual scientists … and on the other hand expect to be treated as a valued member of our professional societies. / 09 Oct 2009</p>
<p>Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I&#8217;ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted. / 09 Oct 2009</p>
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		<title>Comment on Release of CRU files forges a new hockey stick reconstruction by King of Cool</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/release-of-cru-files-forge-a-new-hockey-stick-reconstruction/#comment-229562</link>
		<dc:creator>King of Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Arthur Glass (07:26:50) : Who, exactly, among the ‘climate sceptics’ has claimed that the leaked material shows a ‘conspiracy’?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, Andrew Bolt (bless his heart) has for one:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_warmist_conspiracy_the_australian_link/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Arthur Glass (07:26:50) : Who, exactly, among the ‘climate sceptics’ has claimed that the leaked material shows a ‘conspiracy’?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, Andrew Bolt (bless his heart) has for one:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_warmist_conspiracy_the_australian_link/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_warmist_conspiracy_the_australian_link/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by James RS</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229561</link>
		<dc:creator>James RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curiousgeorge,

I was wondering the same thing. Has anyone noticed if some of the data files contain any of the information that Steve M and others have been trying to get hold of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiousgeorge,</p>
<p>I was wondering the same thing. Has anyone noticed if some of the data files contain any of the information that Steve M and others have been trying to get hold of?</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by hunter</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229560</link>
		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curiousgeorge,
Hammer meet nail head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiousgeorge,<br />
Hammer meet nail head.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Breaking News Story: CRU has apparently been hacked &#8211; hundreds of files released by climatebeagle</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#comment-229559</link>
		<dc:creator>climatebeagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pragmatic (11:05:32) :
  A quick letter recommending investigation should start the ball rolling.

When you use the contact address it&#039;s interesting the alternate name that comes back since the contact is on vacation. Probably a coincidence. Made me wonder about also cc&#039;ing the local MP to ensure the message would get through, but I couldn&#039;t figure out quickly who would be the MP that covers UEA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmatic (11:05:32) :<br />
  A quick letter recommending investigation should start the ball rolling.</p>
<p>When you use the contact address it&#8217;s interesting the alternate name that comes back since the contact is on vacation. Probably a coincidence. Made me wonder about also cc&#8217;ing the local MP to ensure the message would get through, but I couldn&#8217;t figure out quickly who would be the MP that covers UEA.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by Shug Niggurath</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229558</link>
		<dc:creator>Shug Niggurath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a possibly related note, the most popular search term on the email search site at the moment is &#039;moron&#039;;

Top ten:
moron
Al Gore
trick
delete
revkin
foi
hide the decline
fraud
steve mcintyre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a possibly related note, the most popular search term on the email search site at the moment is &#8216;moron&#8217;;</p>
<p>Top ten:<br />
moron<br />
Al Gore<br />
trick<br />
delete<br />
revkin<br />
foi<br />
hide the decline<br />
fraud<br />
steve mcintyre</p>
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		<title>Comment on Breaking News Story: CRU has apparently been hacked &#8211; hundreds of files released by KlausB</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#comment-229557</link>
		<dc:creator>KlausB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The eMails are interesting stuff, indeed. 
Did have a long night to read several hundred of them.

At the moment I&#039;m digging thru the other files, looking for nuggets.

Hummh,  shall I apply for a job at Hadley?
Looks like they need a good IT-Manager (with some good expertise re. security) 

rgds

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The eMails are interesting stuff, indeed.<br />
Did have a long night to read several hundred of them.</p>
<p>At the moment I&#8217;m digging thru the other files, looking for nuggets.</p>
<p>Hummh,  shall I apply for a job at Hadley?<br />
Looks like they need a good IT-Manager (with some good expertise re. security) </p>
<p>rgds</p>
<p>KlausB</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by Adam Soereg</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229556</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Soereg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a few searces I realized that the worst nightmare of the Team members is getting a FOI request from McIntyre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a few searces I realized that the worst nightmare of the Team members is getting a FOI request from McIntyre.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229555</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to anyone searching the database:

I would be very interested in hearing about anything you can find on &quot;1945&quot; &amp; &quot;COWL&quot; (cold ocean - warm land).

This relates to clouds &amp; EOP (Earth orientation parameters) - i.e. 2 things that are too inconvenient for top alarmist operatives to acknowledge, it often seems.

Thanks to some of Bob Tisdale&#039;s articles, it is clear to me that top alarmist operatives would find it convenient to &lt;i&gt;erase&lt;/i&gt; the ~1945 spikes in the following records:
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/NutationObliquity.png
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/CumuSumALPI.png

Either ignorance or deceit is at play.  Investigation is warranted.

It might also be insightful to search &quot;chandler wobble&quot;, &quot;polar motion&quot;, &quot;1920-1940&quot;, &quot;arctic warming&quot;, &quot;dirty 30s&quot;, &quot;southern ocean&quot;, &quot;Sidorenkov&quot;, &quot;Barkin&quot;, &quot;Vondrak&quot;, etc. to see if they have any clue about:
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/PolarMotionPeriodMorlet2piPower.PNG
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/GA_MapXL.PNG
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/sqrtaayoy.sq22.png

Evidence of deception &amp;/or ignorance on these fronts would be &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to anyone searching the database:</p>
<p>I would be very interested in hearing about anything you can find on &#8220;1945&#8243; &amp; &#8220;COWL&#8221; (cold ocean &#8211; warm land).</p>
<p>This relates to clouds &amp; EOP (Earth orientation parameters) &#8211; i.e. 2 things that are too inconvenient for top alarmist operatives to acknowledge, it often seems.</p>
<p>Thanks to some of Bob Tisdale&#8217;s articles, it is clear to me that top alarmist operatives would find it convenient to <i>erase</i> the ~1945 spikes in the following records:<br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/NutationObliquity.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/NutationObliquity.png</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/CumuSumALPI.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/CumuSumALPI.png</a></p>
<p>Either ignorance or deceit is at play.  Investigation is warranted.</p>
<p>It might also be insightful to search &#8220;chandler wobble&#8221;, &#8220;polar motion&#8221;, &#8220;1920-1940&#8243;, &#8220;arctic warming&#8221;, &#8220;dirty 30s&#8221;, &#8220;southern ocean&#8221;, &#8220;Sidorenkov&#8221;, &#8220;Barkin&#8221;, &#8220;Vondrak&#8221;, etc. to see if they have any clue about:<br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/PolarMotionPeriodMorlet2piPower.PNG" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/PolarMotionPeriodMorlet2piPower.PNG</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/GA_MapXL.PNG" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/GA_MapXL.PNG</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/sqrtaayoy.sq22.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/sqrtaayoy.sq22.png</a></p>
<p>Evidence of deception &amp;/or ignorance on these fronts would be <i>very</i> telling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tips &amp; Notes to WUWT by Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/tips-notes-to-wuwt-3/#comment-229554</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And from the alarmists:

&quot;Copenhogen 24/7&quot;

http://www.oneclimate.net/2009/11/19/pioneering-new-tv-livestream-gives-everyone-a-free-pass-to-the-heart-of-the-uns-copenhagen-climate-conference/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And from the alarmists:</p>
<p>&#8220;Copenhogen 24/7&#8243;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oneclimate.net/2009/11/19/pioneering-new-tv-livestream-gives-everyone-a-free-pass-to-the-heart-of-the-uns-copenhagen-climate-conference/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oneclimate.net/2009/11/19/pioneering-new-tv-livestream-gives-everyone-a-free-pass-to-the-heart-of-the-uns-copenhagen-climate-conference/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by O. Weinzierl</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229553</link>
		<dc:creator>O. Weinzierl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not believe my ears when I heard about the CRU hack on the main evening news for Austria. The state owned broadcaster &quot;ORF&quot; usually only brings alarmist news. I guess now the CRU hack will also get some press coverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not believe my ears when I heard about the CRU hack on the main evening news for Austria. The state owned broadcaster &#8220;ORF&#8221; usually only brings alarmist news. I guess now the CRU hack will also get some press coverage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by michel</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229552</link>
		<dc:creator>michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven Mosher

Yes, this is profoundly true.  Nothing kills a cause so fast or thoroughly as those most fanatically devoted to it.  Look what Cyril Burt did to inherited abilities.  When the twin studies were proved fakes, he put the issue out of consideration for a generation.  But actually, some abilities really are inherited.  Just not with the racial and social implications that he faked the data with a view to attaching to this fact.  

This is the same sort of thing.  It could be that climate change, and human caused climate change is a real threat.  But this is now going to be impossible to seriously advocate, thanks to the idiotic antics of a few venal fanatics.

&#039;Yet each man kills the thing he loves 
By each let this be heard, 
Some do it with a bitter look, 
Some with a flattering word, 
The coward does it with a kiss, 
The brave man with a sword!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Mosher</p>
<p>Yes, this is profoundly true.  Nothing kills a cause so fast or thoroughly as those most fanatically devoted to it.  Look what Cyril Burt did to inherited abilities.  When the twin studies were proved fakes, he put the issue out of consideration for a generation.  But actually, some abilities really are inherited.  Just not with the racial and social implications that he faked the data with a view to attaching to this fact.  </p>
<p>This is the same sort of thing.  It could be that climate change, and human caused climate change is a real threat.  But this is now going to be impossible to seriously advocate, thanks to the idiotic antics of a few venal fanatics.</p>
<p>&#8216;Yet each man kills the thing he loves<br />
By each let this be heard,<br />
Some do it with a bitter look,<br />
Some with a flattering word,<br />
The coward does it with a kiss,<br />
The brave man with a sword!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on CRU Emails &#8211; search engine now online by JMcCarthy</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/21/cru-emails-search-engine-now-online/#comment-229551</link>
		<dc:creator>JMcCarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this ends up costing a few of these climate &quot;scientists&quot; their jobs I am confident they could find work in the Obama Administration as Counters of Jobs Saved/Created by the Economic Stimulus Package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this ends up costing a few of these climate &#8220;scientists&#8221; their jobs I am confident they could find work in the Obama Administration as Counters of Jobs Saved/Created by the Economic Stimulus Package.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Release of CRU files forges a new hockey stick reconstruction by gtrip</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/release-of-cru-files-forge-a-new-hockey-stick-reconstruction/#comment-229550</link>
		<dc:creator>gtrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the data used for this graph to be extremely robust!  There should be no problem getting this through peer review.  Good job Anthony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the data used for this graph to be extremely robust!  There should be no problem getting this through peer review.  Good job Anthony.</p>
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