From the you have to see this to believe it department. Dr. Ryan Maue brings attention to this ridiculous photo op outside the Florida Governor Rick Scott‘s office by an activist outfit called NextGenClimate.
https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/502532521410584577
Here is a magnified view of the picture, you can click it to magnify even more and read some of the words on it.
According to the “about” page, this outfit is another beneficiary of billionaire Tom Steyer’s money to sway climate opinion. With the sort of idiotic talking points seen above, if I was Steyer, I’d ask for my money back.
My reply:
@RyanMaue @NextGenClimate @FLGovScott They rounded up much touted (and debunked) 97% consensus to 98% on that chalkboard! LOL! Desperate.
— Watts Up With That (@wattsupwiththat) August 21, 2014
This whole buffoonish display is over this meeting a couple of day ago:
I like the sciency-looking white coat too – nice touch
I like the look of pride on the guy’s face. Suggests he’d delighted w/ the progress of his book learnin’.
Tomorrow? Goesintas.
I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old. They probably exist, but to equate something that stupid with everyone who is skeptical of the global warming doomsday scenario is beyond reprehensible.
Lobbyists selling more ways to spend other people’s money and line their own pockets.
I hope that Steyer spends hundres of million on cons just like this.
It is not uncommon for the wealthy to confuse their net worth with their intellect. This is just a particularly entertaining example.
Does that white coat have extra long sleeves that can be tied in the back?
Bad news for cats.
They are full of hot air. They concentrate on reducing CO2, which should be the least of our worries, since we are going to a colder climate anyway, and CO2 is our frend in maintaining the ecological balance.
http://lenbilen.com/2014/02/22/co2-the-life-giving-gas-not-carbon-pollution-a-limerick-and-explanation/
Now solar hot water heaters is another matters. They are common in Israel at a very modest cost, and they save money for the customers. The Florida climate is ideal for solar heaters for hot water, not only for the swimming pool.
Unfortunately, the ignorance of today’s K12 grads probably don’t know the earth is round, or what the moon is made of, and what a percentage of anything is. Furthermore, the “scientist” in the picture must be one of the useful idiots. Doesn’t look like anyone is to worried about the climate changing in Florida.
Population Growth for Florida:
1910 753,000 42.27%
1920 968,000 28.61%
1930 1,468,000 51.67%
1940 1,897,000 29.25%
1950 2,771,000 46.09%
1960 4,952,000 78.69%
1970 6,789,000 37.11%
1980 9,746,000 43.56%
1990 12,938,000 32.75%
2000 15,982,000 23.53%
2010 19,252,000 20.46%
cats have more than one live! as many as cats!
seawater is rising? sure? heve you heard of tides?
earth is not round…at best grossly…
On that green board I see the words “The Earth is Round”. I used to think it was flat until I discovered it’s actually oblate spheroid, and not round. Smart arses.
Tom Steyer is the California billionaire Obama funder determined to block (dirty, foreign, Canadian oil) via Keystone XL. He made a pile of money from Alberta tar sands and has investments in American owned pipeline competitor for Keystone, Kinder Morgan.
Having just spent more than $250,000 of his own walking around money to buy the rural Whatcom County elections, (usually a $25,000 affair) governors will not be a problem.
“98% of scientists agree”, full stop.
Well then, that settles it. They agree! Reminds me of The Onion newspaper article entitled, “73% of Housewives Agree”.
Of course, we also have the obligatory condescending tone, the requisite mantra that climate change is REAL!!!!!, and a paltry attempt to be hip and “with it” by referencing popular culture.
Well, that and a complete lack of any scientific evidence.
Love the sea level graph; really technical, but understandable.
A real scientist does not wear a lab coat out of the lab; violates PPE guidelines
— a real scientist
Just a bit O/T, but that pic of Gov Rick Scott – are all US politicians now trying to emulate the guru Obama in his cocked-leg sitting position? It plays havoc with the knee(s)!
The good news is that Gov. Scott, while polite, doesn’t appear to have been effected by the climate alarmism they were peddling, based on local (Tampa Bay) media reports.
Does anybody else think that the guy in the lab coat looks like Drew Carey just before he says something satirically funny with a straight face?
Doesn’t that guy in the white lab coat looks strikingly a lot like Curly of the 3 Stooges?
I think he picked up that “lab coat” at a local butcher shop. Of course it could be a painter’s smock, considering the high degree of artwork involved in his presentation.
/snark
I live in Florida. Our local liberal paper ran an op-ed today that now that Gov. Scott has been “educated”, hopefully he’ll see the light and close the coal power plants in the state. The “skeptics are stupid” ploy remains in play.
Didn’t a study just come out and show that the more educated you are in math and science, the less likely you are to believe in the hoax?
lenbilen says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:11 pm
āThe Florida climate is ideal for solar heaters for hot water…ā
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Indeed they have been using solar hot water heaters for generations in Florida. When I was a child in Miami, in the early 1940’s, we had a solar hot water heater. The hot water tank was at the peak of the roof, disguised as a chimney, so there was natural circulation of the water through the heater portion. My mother said there was still ample hot water at 7am.
@ Ringo
Yes, the local paper seemed genuinely disappointed that the Governor did not seem to grasp the immediacy of the situation.
Translation: Scott is smarter than they thought.
A lab coat is the (would-be) emperor’s new clothing.
It’s common in Britain.
RH says: August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
“I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old.”
First, I do know some who do believe that. Now you might call that ignorant, but they are not killing women and children by increasing food prices, preventing the use of DDT and limiting energy production in the third world. And they are among the people who backed GW in his program to relieve AIDS and reduce Malaria in Africa.
Their particular foible is an amusing artifact, where the Eco-loons are responsible for more deaths than Adolph Hitler.
Regards,
Steamboat Jack (Jon Jewett’s evil twin)
According to Tom Steyer, none of us peons are sophisticated enough to understand…
Tom Steyer’s quote:
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/16/billionaire-climate-activist-wants-to-educate-all-of-you-stupid-unsophisticated-hicks/
The missed a colon …
98% of scientists agree: There is more to chemistry than Breaking Bad.
There. Fixed that for ya …
NextGenClimate is funded by the philanthropist and hedge fund billionaire Tom Steyer. So I did a little checking. He is founder of the global investment firm called Farallon Capital Management, LLC based in California. At this point I’m interested in what this outfit invests in. I looked alphabetically at the holding and this is from just the first 2 pages.
Ashland Inc.
This outfit produces fracturing fluids, drilling fluids, etc for the BIG OIL industry. According to research from the University of Massachusetts (“Toxic 100“), Ashland are the 43rd TOP POLLUTER in the United States in 2013.
Cleco Power LLC is an electricity producer in Louisiana. On their about us page they say “We use multiple generating sources and multiple fuels to serve our customers.” They operate 5 power generating plants.
I also see EP ENERGY CORP and other companies on page 2 but I have no time to check, things to do. The Grantham Institute UK is also funded by a hedge fund manager. He too invests is very BIG OIL companies and likes to fight climate change and the causes of climate change. Peace and out.
Lower right hand corner:
Bromine?
Barium?
Whaaaa…?
rogerknights says:
August 21, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Harry Passfield says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Just a bit O/T, but that pic of Gov Rick Scott ā are all US politicians now trying to emulate the guru Obama in his cocked-leg sitting position? It plays havoc with the knee(s)!
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Itās common in Britain.
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Essentially de riguer in the US.
The irony here is the BBC article where “scientists” are finally having to acknowledge the fact that “global” temperatures have not risen since 1998 and may not for another decade (if at all). No worries- they will blame humans somehow- global warming/ cooling ā whatever.
Jimbo says:
August 21, 2014 at 2:18 pm
http://freebeacon.com/issues/tom-steyer-remains-invested-in-fossil-fuels-despite-divestment-pledge/
Steyer rates about a 0.80 on the Gore Hypocrisy Scale.
pimf: de rigueur
Oh,
Breaking Bad–Br/Ba.
Profound stuff, that.
The Chalk Board is missing a few Caveats:
The Earth is round(ish) (Oblate with a Tidal Bulge)
Seawater is Salty & Rising (and has risen over 120′ since the end of the last Ice Age)
Climate Change is Real (the climate is never Stagnant and therefore is ever changing)
98% (formerly 97% then 97.4%) of Scientists agree (according to 79 of over 11000 published papers surveyed)
The 97% (or sometimes 98%) claim is the one that every alarmist cites, every time. They apparently feel is a compelling argument to prove their claim of climate catastrophe. It is also a claim that has been debunked probably more than any other CAGW claim.
Does anyone have a link to a list of the better debunkings of the 97%/98% claims? Links to articles in journals and magazines would probably be best.
Thanks.
is it just me or does he guy at the chalkboard looks a little bit like Lew with a shave?
Is anyone else damn tired of being insulted by these losers?
If we are going to be picky:
The earth isn’t round it’s an oblate spheroid with tidal variations.
It doesn’t just spin it wobbles as well
We only have definitive physical samples from a small portion of the moons surface
More salty oceans, not convinced….http://www.pages-igbp.org/download/docs/newsletter/2008-1/Special_Section/Science_Highlights/Schmidt_2008-1(23-25).pdf
Climate change is real, well yes it’s in the nature of climate to continually change. Do you understand it well enough to make valid predictions?
98% of what discipline of scientists agree on what precisely?
You don’t know that about the cats….
At least the Governor didn’t look overly impressed.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
White coats are only worn in the lab where chemicals are being splattered about. Why would a climate scientists reading computer models need a white coat??? The only reasonable answer is for the same reason advertisers dress up a talking heads in a white coat. They are evoking stereotypes so they can increase their revenues by pushing toothpaste or other sundries they want you to buy!
old engineer:
I was born in Florida, just after the last ice age. For the first 14 years of my life, we continued to visit my grandparents in Clearwater. One of the remarkable things was the gradual disappearance of solar water heaters there, as electricity, gas, and that nuclear thingy proved, well, predictable. Today, solar can’t touch the increased demand since, well, my last tepid shower.
FYI this same liberal pressure group is running ads on behalf of Scott’s opponent saying Scott is in league with polluters. Scott shot back, noting that his opponent, former Gov. Crist, uses a campaign plane actually paid for by polluters. So this group has no credibility.
And its attempt at chalkboard ridicule is pathetic.
Harry Passfield says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Just a bit O/T, but that pic of Gov Rick Scott ā are all US politicians now trying to emulate the guru Obama in his cocked-leg sitting position? It plays havoc with the knee(s)!
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Could it be they are Cockney?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Relative to solar water heaters in Florida, I had one on my Florida swimming pool, and it was a nearly total bust. Got the water too hot in the Summer, so we had to turn it off by June, but would not get the water hot enough to swim in the cooler months. Cost the previous owner over $5000 and produced nothing of value. But I got a lot of street credit because I was green.
The Earth is round and more than6000 years old? Well, I never … !
I have. They don’t believe in plate tectonics, naturally, nor evolution, nor the Big Bang and while I’ve only met a few, they unfortunately all were skeptics.
But I’ve only met a few.
Didn’t Tom Steyer say skeptics aren’t really sophisticated? This shows what they think of their target audience — dufus’ who believe they are smarter than everyone else.
Rick Scott survived verbal torture!
Thanks for the cartoon, Dr. Maue.
The idiot in the photo shouldn’t be wearing a lab coat.
He should be wearing a clown nose and rainbow wig.
Wow, the body language says it all. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall after they left.
Convert or die http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/501957/VIDEO-Yazidi-men-forced-to-convert-to-Islam-by-Islamic-State
Oops, that was for another religious cult.
The push for conversion of this politician was more peaceful, I have to admit.
But, Iām still waiting for the so far none climate debate to begin.
We donāt need more lectures, we want debate.
So,the Three Stooges have retired to Florida ?( : < ))
A few years ago my ex-wife was backing the car out of the driveway and ran over our cat. I’d told him several times that it was a dangerous place to curl up for a nap, but he listened to my advice no more than did my children.
In any event the cat ran away on sometimes two, sometimes three, legs howling. He came back a few hours later and was treated to an emergency trip to the veterinarian. After several hundred dollars in x-ray’s, mri and other tests, the vet advised that the cat was bruised from head to toe, had used up 8 of his 9 lives, but was otherwise fine, though he would be expected to limp a bit for a few days.
1. Anyone who has a cat knows darn well they have at LEAST 9 lives.
2. This FACT was confirmed by a veterinarian whose job it is to know these things.
3. I was however able to convince both the cat and the children that taking a nap in the driveway was dangerous. My expectation was that my track record would be extended to other areas of life and advice. Sadly, I was mistaken.
These guys really don’t realize how stupid (unscientific) they are.
It sure sounds like a revival bible study meeting. They quote their bible, the IPCC.
(BTW, not saying that evangelicals are stupid)
We here in Florida suggest the Mr. Steyer take his money and his opinions and fold them up so they have sharp edges, then stick them where the sun doesn’t shine. Fortunately Gov. Scott was a successful businessman, so he likely paid no attention.
As a lawyer I have dealt with a lot of PhD scientists. Not all of them have common sense. In some cases, they remind me of the adage “If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.”
These guys only have one tool: Funding to promote CAGW.
Now, Gov. Scott, the other side of the story;
http://vimeopro.com/southhouse/theglobalwarmingwar
The password is; 4festival
It is fairly long, but some big names from the skeptical side. Worth watching.
It’s become easy to show that none of those climate scientists know what they’re talking about as regards the impact of human CO2 emissions on climate.
Selectively skeptical, apparently.
jim Steele says:
“Why would a climate scientists reading computer models need a white coat??? ”
Because it’s very dangerous around those models. You can be covered in a shower of toxic shit like you would not believe!
Yes I am tired of being insulted by the liberal loony left. And I am damn tired of k12 kids being insulted by right wingnuts.
I love the one scientist who kept bantering that this could be a business opportunity for Florida. Is that the same mindset (I had to use some word for it) that steered the US out of the recession in 2008. Let’s see, that was 6 years ago, wasn’t it?
I belive the bigger point here is the funding of this activity.
No really, how much did this cost Tom Steyerās budget in the end?
I would think this a great opportunity for some investigative journalism to find out where his money is actually going. I think we would all be surpised.
I am hoping this cost him at least a couple million….
Where does that line start for this funding anyhow? I might have to convert for an obligatory contract period š
Louis Hooffstetter
August 21, 2014 at 4:06 pm
says:
‘The idiot in the photo shouldnāt be wearing a lab coat.’
I know this will be embarrassing to the guy in the photo but I might as well divulge this. It’s not a lab coat. It’s really just his white shirt. His mother forgot to tuck it in on him before he left the house. She said she wouldn’t make that mistake again it’s just that he wouldn’t sit still while she was tying his shoes.
talk about CAGW craziness – remember when UHI was being denied!
21 Aug: Bloomberg: Tom Randall: If You Canāt Take the Heat, Get Off the Island
Sweaty subway brush-ups, the smell of garbage broth brewing in gutters, and most of all the heat — heat that radiates from everywhere and escapes to nowhere. Thatās what New York typically feels like in August…
Thereās a name for this particular municipal affront: urban heat islands. Asphalt and buildings absorb and radiate heat, and the lack of greenery means less shade and evaporative cooling. At its worst, New York can register 20 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than nearby rural areas (2.7 degrees hotter on average), according to a new report by nonprofit research group Climate Central.
Climate change is making the problem worse, cranking up the heat in cities even faster than in rural areas, according to the report…
Below are the top 10 most intense summer heat islands…
Click here for an interactive graphic showing detailed results for each city…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-20/if-you-can-t-take-the-heat-get-off-the-island-.html
Harry Passfield says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Just a bit O/T, but that pic of Gov Rick Scott ā are all US politicians now trying to emulate the guru Obama in his cocked-leg sitting position? It plays havoc with the knee(s)!
Also with other portions of the human anatomy.
This picture may put an end to doctors and scientists wearing white coats.
If I was in the white coat business, I’d lodge a protest.
more soylent green! says:
August 21, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RH says:
August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old. They probably exist, but to equate something that stupid with everyone who is skeptical of the global warming doomsday scenario is beyond reprehensible.
I have. They donāt believe in plate tectonics, naturally, nor evolution, nor the Big Bang and while Iāve only met a few, they unfortunately all were skeptics.
But Iāve only met a few.
more soylent green – Do you object to warmists claiming that sceptics do not believing in climate change? Do you think that claim is a straw man argument designed to make sceptics look stupid in an attempt to discredit their arguments so that sceptics will not to be taken seriously?
Claiming that young-Earth creationists don’t believe in plate tectonics is making the same type of wrong argument. The concept that continents move was proposed by a creationist (Antonio Snider) 63 years before Alfred Wegener made that proposal. Plate tectonics are a key component of the creationists’ explanation of world geology. It is the currently proposed cause and timing that creationists don’t accept.
Similarly, creationists believed in an instantaneous beginning for the universe long before the Big Bang theory was proposed to correct for scientific deficiencies of the steady state theory. It is the timing (billions of years versus thousands), the order of events, and the cause (Big Bang doesn’t have one) that young-Earth creationists don’t accept, not the fact of an instantaneous beginning.
By the way, the claim that heat hidden in the deep solves the “pause” problem, is the same type of argument as the claim inflation solves the horizon problem, dark matter solves the flatness problem, and the Oort cloud solves the comet problem, as none of those concepts have been shown to have any physical reality.
Now, back to the subject of the Earth’s climate.
SR
more soylent green! says:
August 21, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RH says:
August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
“I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old. They probably exist, but to equate something that stupid with everyone who is skeptical of the global warming doomsday scenario is beyond reprehensible.”
“I have. They donāt believe in plate tectonics, naturally, nor evolution, nor the Big Bang and while Iāve only met a few, they unfortunately all were skeptics.
But Iāve only met a few.”
more soylent green ā Do you object to warmists claiming that skeptics do not believing in climate change? Do you think that claim is a straw man argument designed to make skeptics look stupid in an attempt to discredit their arguments so that sceptics will not to be taken seriously?
Claiming that young-Earth creationists donāt believe in plate tectonics is making the same type of wrong argument. The concept that continents move was proposed by a creationist (Antonio Snider) 63 years before Alfred Wegener made that proposal. Plate tectonics are a key component of the creationistsā explanation of world geology. It is the currently proposed cause and timing that creationists donāt accept.
Similarly, creationists believed in an instantaneous beginning for the universe long before the Big Bang theory was proposed to correct for scientific deficiencies of the steady state theory. It is the timing (billions of years versus thousands), the order of events, and the cause (Big Bang doesnāt have one) that young-Earth creationists donāt accept, not the fact of an instantaneous beginning.
By the way, the claim that heat hidden in the deep solves the āpauseā problem, is the same type of argument as the claim inflation solves the horizon problem, dark matter solves the flatness problem, and the Oort cloud solves the comet problem, as none of those concepts have been shown to have any physical reality.
Now, back to the subject of the Earthās climate.
(This is a repeat, modified slightly in an attempt to get through moderation. If this goes through, please delete my prior attempt. If not, delete this post.)
SR
I’m not buying the part about the moon.
When the tourists leave I’m heading up there with a boatload of crackers
RH says:
August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old. They probably exist, but to equate something that stupid with everyone who is skeptical of the global warming doomsday scenario is beyond reprehensible.
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Yes, they are out there, in fact there are probably more of them than you think. They are generally referred to as young earth creationists. The 6K year figure supposedly comes from adding up the ages of the prophets of the old testament and the list of Jesus’ ancestors in the new testament.
Personally I think that they are reading way too much into things and that everyone who thinks they know how old the Earth is is full of it.
Moderators,
Obviously, I don’t understand what put my reply into moderation. Can you enlighten me?
SR
[There are many more comments dropping into the “moderation queue” the past few days than in columns past. Yours is but one of several hundred. .mod]
i think the “breaking bad ” reference could probably tell the real story . something just doesnt look right with the white jacket and glasses combo. if i were to take a wild guess i would say that guy is probably fresh out of prison , stemming from running a meth lab , covered in biker tattoos
and now somehow trying to go legit by claiming he’s a scientist knowledgeable on climate change . look at the beety eyes . the ill fitting jacket , and the borrowed faux prescription glasses . and that shifty smile . and anyone that can draw “breaking bad ‘ icons and characters as good as that , well im just sayin ..
highflight56433 says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Unfortunately, the ignorance of todayās K12 grads probably donāt know……what a percentage of anything is.
A percentage of anything is something. Unless it is zero percent which is nothing. Something is nothing? Strange word we live in.
MattS says:
August 21, 2014 at 9:25 pm
RH says:
August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
I have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old. They probably exist, but to equate something that stupid with everyone who is skeptical of the global warming doomsday scenario is beyond reprehensible.
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Yes, they are out there, in fact there are probably more of them than you think. They are generally referred to as young earth creationists. The 6K year figure supposedly comes from adding up the ages of the prophets of the old testament and the list of Jesusā ancestors in the new testament.
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The 6K figure comes from the genealogies in Genesis which give us approximately 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, who is well known to have lived approximately 2000 years before Jesus, who is well known to have lived approximately 2000 years before now. The approximations might add up to a couple hundred years at most. 6K is the minimum. Most young Earth creationists will allow up to 10K for the max.
SR
āThis whole buffoonish display is over this meeting a couple of day ago ā¦ā.
Rent-seekers of Florida unite!
Make us all multi-millionaires and we will control all global weather components for you.
FWIW: Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that the science is wrong and the Bible is right. To them, such a disagreement is illogical. However, they do cherry pick a lot. You’d be very convinced if you read nothing but ‘Awake!’ and ‘The Watchtower’.
Good on them for being apolitical, though.
The real issue I have with some creationists is that they think science is out to kill religion. So they get very defensive and closed-minded. Such silliness!
The presentation is true racism. Its thrust is to ridicule and demean the white trash underclass who lack a silver spoon education.
Many of these people have more native intelligence and self education than the brainwashed drones of the upper class.
This “Meeting” or what ever you want to call it has finally made me make big (actually three) decisions,
I am going to rid of my beard,
i am going to cut my hair ( maybe even bald!) and ,
after cathartic surgery in 2 weeks am am loosing my glasses!
Hallaluya.
As Hockey Schtick says: “I like the sciency-looking white coat too ā nice touch”
Reminds me of all the photo ops Obama had prior to ObamaCare, with loads of people in white hospital grab, few of whom had any connection to the medical profession, standing behind him.
Cataract, oh well eye surgery (me bad).
Sea Water is salty and rising
So just how much are coastal front property prices in Florida then.
Lex Luthor wanted General Zod to give him Australia.
So billionaire beneficiary Tom Steyer is obviously very very concerned with Climate Change and rising sea levels.So how much exotic luxury beach front property portfolio does he own and what is he buying and selling all for.
Most creationists believe in micro-evolution, or changes within a species that survive into new generations; selective breeding is based on the micro-evolution concept. What the creationists have trouble with is that evolution produces new kinds of animals or plants; since fossils can’t be bred, proof of macro-evolution is still lacking, and it is still a theory.
I grow and breed daylilies (Hemerocallis), and my crosses and the resulting seedlings are, indeed, different from their parents; they have their own genetic combinations and will pass them on to succeeding generations if they are used in breeding. Since daylilies (except certain wild species) do not breed true from seed, all daylily crosses give new genetic combinations. Creationists (and others with their viewpoint on this topic) know that this type of micro-evolution exists; they use it for their own purposes, as I have. What I will never accomplish, should I live a million years, is to create a new kind of plant, i.e., a seedling that is not a daylily and will not cross with daylilies. Macro-evolution, as a concept, demands that such new species be not only possible but must of necessity be the source of all modern species, plant or animal. Lacking true and verifiable transition species, macro-evolution still lacks definitive proof, according to some creationists.
What the preceding has to do with Florida’s governor and the stupid exhibit with the white-shirted fellow in the photo is beyond me; but contributors here do themselves and their views no favors by misrepresenting and misunderstanding the views of others.
100% of scientists believe in Climate Change it is the cause that is the question.
actually, it would seem that CAGW advocates seem to believe that Earth can be returned to the garden of eden and that climate is not supposed to change. Globull average should be 287.5 kelvins and that’s that. Anything else is man’s fault. then again, such people suffer from cognitive dissonance in all areas of their lives.
I’ve met one young earther a long time back. He’d written several books on the topic (long heavy diatribes). Scarey part was he had a phd in hydrology – as in underground water which is tied to geology. To avoid cognitive dissonance, one must use common sense and apply things in context. The neutron was discovered only in the 1930s. Before that, the notion that a star could last more than a few thousand years burning chemical fuel was the only solid science we had and the skies appeared full of stars. It was thought stars and Earth were far older by most scientists but the mechanisms like what fuel was being burned might as well have been black magic. It was during this time that a Jesuit priest / astronomer came up with the big bang theory (not named until Sir Fred Hoyle – the last great holdout for the steady state theory of the universe – coined the term derisively decades later).
A thinking man is between a rock and a hard place: one side doesn’t believe in evolution, the other wants to stop it.
Andrew, can you please put a mod filter on the word ‘believe’, it’s just as annoying, pointless and nefarious as the ‘d ‘word – thank you
Betapug says:
August 21, 2014 at 1:22 pm
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Steyer also has interests in a number of Asian coal mines.
Did I mention that he is funding efforts to block new coal terminals on the west coast that would have shipped US coal to Asia?
Grady says:
August 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm
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There’s a missing colon alright.
It’s standing next to the blackboard.
When these folks first petitioned the Governor for a meeting, I sent a letter to the Governor’s office suggesting that he invite them AND several skeptical scientists to offer a counter balance to their claims. I even included a few names that might fit the bill. Unfortunately, this suggestion was ignored and the predictable happened. The warmists had an unfettered opportunity to spout nonsense without refutation and Rick Scott just sort of had to sit there and take it. It handed a propaganda opportunity to the CAGW folks.
I just bet when Dr. Van Leer was spouting off about business opportunities, Rick Scott was thinking to himself “Solyndra, Solyndra.” š
The theory of evolution still has a few lose threads that are easy to tug on.
How did proteins turn into the first cell?
How did single cells join together to create the first multicellular life forms?
How did cells start differentiating to create the different organs and tissues?
The jump from asexual to bisexual reproduction?
At lot of evolutionists that I have met just answer these questions with a variation on, We know it happened, we just have to figure out how. Which the young earth creationists take as a statement of faith no less valid than their own.
For my self I do believe that the earth is in the vicinity of 4.3 billion years old (number subject to revision as new data is found). I believe that environmental pressures do cause life forms to evolve.
I also believe that God played a role in that evolution.
Does it bother me that I can’t figure out why God would want to do it this way? Not in the slightest.
I figure that if God has the computing power necessary to plan and create the entire universe, it’s not surprising that me, with the limited computing power available to the average human, isn’t able to figure out the why’s and wherefores of the over all plan.
I’ve never been able to figure out why so many evolutionists feel the need to get so angry at anyone who doesn’t accept their belief that evolution has to be totally random. They can’t prove that any more than I can prove that God is responsible. Let’s all just try to get along and each of us deal with what IS in our power to change.
The moral of the story : Idiots should not be given money.
Even though I guess for Tom Steyer, useful idiots.
Pamela Gray says:
August 21, 2014 at 7:26 pm
“Yes I am tired of being insulted by the liberal loony left. And I am damn tired of k12 kids being insulted by right wing nuts.”
Give your head a shake, Pamela. No one is insulting the children. Way to misrepresent a position. Does that help you feel better?
āā¦..Steamboat Jack says
RH says: August 21, 2014 at 12:59 pm
āI have never met anyone who thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old.ā
First, I do know some who do believe that. Now you might call that ignorant, but they are not killing women and children by increasing food prices, preventing the use of DDT and limiting energy production in the third world. And they are among the people who backed GW in his program to relieve AIDS and reduce Malaria in Africaā¦..ā
Well said, Steamboat Jack. I am a Catholic Christian who accepts the Big Bang (it was first proposed by a Catholic priest, after all) a billions-years- old earth, and, well, science ā properly practiced science – in general. There is no real conflict between science and religion. And, I do think the young earthers do a bit of a disservice to those who sincerely seek spiritual truth. That being said , many of these people are far better Christians than I am, and do abundant good for the community and their fellow man. They get overly mocked while the true villains of humanity are exalted.
Here are some more articles covering the massive hypocrisy of Tom Steyer.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/04/the-epic-hypocrisy-of-tom-steyer.php
So give back the profits from fossil fuels? Ya see, they condemn fossil fuels AFTER they make a killing and NEVER give back all that dirty oil money. Jeremy Grantham is the same.
Tom Steyer running away from debate.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2014/08/19/will-tom-steyer-put-his-mouth-where-his-money-is/
more soylent green! says: “They donāt believe in plate tectonics, naturally, nor evolution, nor the Big Bang and while Iāve only met a few, they unfortunately all were skeptics.”
Naturally. What is the main property of a skeptic? He doesn’t believe you. He believes what he observes. If he lives in Florida (or Ohio, Nebraska, Kansas, or the Red River Valley of Minnesota and North Dakota), his world is flat. His Earth does not move (no tectonics). He breeds cows and horses and they give birth only to cows and horses. What happened 13 billion years ago is irrelevant. If he’s polite he won’t care that you believe all these things. They’re irrelevant.
While I *do* believe these scientific claims, I’m not sure that to a farmer in Minnesota it matters. There, what matters is that you take care of your horses, your cows, and most of all your family. It helps to believe that your family is at least partly divine and your duty to them, your animals and your community is going to be judged someday and suitable rewards or punishments handed out by the creator; with some wiggle room as to how exactly that was done and how long it took.
Where was the fresh compelling argument? Nowhere. All that clip shows is a rehash of grade 2 baloney. The seas will rise (and fall), be a leader( for our shill game), shut down coal powered generators( buy our flaky rationed by failure solar energy propped up by your falling taxes as energy costs drive you out of business). But we will feel good and that is important to us.
That activist didn’t consider that “the earth is round”, and “the earth is flat” are NOT mutually exclusive events- think “pizza”, or “dish”.
Paragordius Obamai has doubtless encapsulated itself within the pea-size brain of this smirking Dr. Thunk. Steyr may price finances exponentially, but his intellectual assets discount to zero.