Case Smit writes to me via email about a climate tour being organized in Australia with Dr. Patrick Moore, Greenpeace co-founder turned climate skeptic. I’m just passing it on:
Hi Anthony,
You have a huge number of followers and I hope you will be able to help this venture by letting as many people as possible know about it. The structure of the visit is such that it does not include many fund-raising events, so almost all of the costs (about $100,000) have to be covered by donations.
We feel that Patrick Moore’s background and reputation will persuade many CAGW believers to meet with him and hear his story; those sort of people would not come to a public lecture. Their exposure to Patrick’s story could well result in a swing away from CAGW allusions in the media.
Your assistance in publicising this visit and possible finding funding for it, will be greatly appreciated.
With regards,
Case Smit (Galileo Movement)
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Patrick Moore to visit Australia.
Australia is hosting a “climate information” visit by Dr. Patrick Moore (co-founder of Greenpeace) in October – November this year. Rather than lecturing to the “converted”, the principal purpose of this visit is for him to meet with opinion leaders in the media, politics and business to convey a rational environmentalist’s views on why policies instituted because of the “catastrophic climate change” scare need to be realistically addressed.
Australia was the first country to impose an economy-damaging tax on carbon dioxide emissions which the current Government has now repealed. However the Government still believes that the public wants to see “action on climate change”, so it continues with policies requiring billions of dollars to be spent to stabilise the global climate. Those opinion leaders that Patrick meets with will realise, as Patrick has done himself, that virtually all climate change is natural and that mankind’s contribution is minimal; they will then be able to convey this to the public.
Patrick’s visit will affect the future climate change policies of our government and present an example to the world. Such an example has the potential to be influential on policies adopted in other nations particularly now that our Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, has achieved global recognition as a statesman with his handling of the Malaysian Airlines disasters. With the G20 meeting in November which Mr. Abbott will host, he will have the opportunity to explain to other world leaders the uncertainties surrounding current climate policies and the desirability for the world economy, of scaling back such expenditures.
Substantial funding is required for this visit and while it is realised that funding sources for projects by environmental realists are extremely scarce, our appeal for help is going out internationally to make this most important visit a success. Would you please help this initiative, with potential world-wide benefit, by making this appeal known to your followers and by giving us an introduction to potential donors.
Case Smit
John Smeed
(joint organisers of Lord Monckton’s 2010 Australian Tour)
To contribute via EFT: -Galileo Movement Pty Limited, National Australia Bank Ltd., BSB: 084855, Acc. No. 191696855 please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
To contribute via PayPal – click the Paypal “donate” button on web site: http://www.galileomovement.com.au/donations.php please include “Moore Appeal” as the Payment Reference.
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Patrick’s lecture at the recent International Climate Change Conference in Las Vegas is on video. It outlines his journey from eco-warrior to defender of science, logic and the environment. He explains his scepticism of “catastrophic” global warming claims.
$100K?
Seems a bit steep?
Anthony, you might let him have a share of your Big Oil $$$.
🙂 That plus $5 might enable him to get a cup of coffee at Starbucks….
Anthony,
You might let him have a share of your big oil money. 🙂 That plus $5 could get him a cup of coffee at Starbucks…
Anthony,
You might give him a share of your Big Oil $$. That plus $5 could get him a cup of coffee at Starbucks….
100k is a bargain if it can help stop the not so green machine which
Spent a 100k of taxpayers money as I wrote this. Goon luck MM
Sadly “believers” are not likely to come as their mind is made up and Dr. Moore is viewed as a heretic. No conversions will take place.
A few fence sitters and the rest are going to be people who like/need confirmation of their thoughts and findings.
I venture to guess that not too many politicians want to be seen with Dr Moore.
Sorry for the massive triplication, folks. I kept getting told the comment wasn’t posting. Boo WordPress…
Yeah. But warmists-on-tours get lots more.
The story about Patrick Moore being a co-founder of Greenpeace surely needs to be laid to rest. Greenpeace have published a letter from him in 1971 asking about joining a Greenpeace sailing. He finds it necessary to introduce himself; it reads as his first contact with the organisation.
REPLY: Nick, this says nothing about Greenpeace, its the “Make a Wave committee”. He joined it, they later renamed it Greenpeace. Your claim is pointless. -Anthony
Think about it, maybe 10k for 2 persons in airfares including domestic, 30 days at $150 a night x 2 ppl accomodation $9000), 10 venues x 2 nights @ 3000 per night (60,000), publicity ( maybe 10k), surface transport @ $50 per day $1500, meals @ 100 per day $3000, so that’s about $100k so far and nobodies children get to eat yet (no salaries).
Jeez Nick, read the “to” address, maybe read Dr. Moores book, I was at those protests, “Greenbits” didn’t exist at that time. The “publishing” of that letter is part of a disassociation campaign. This is an attempt to rewrite history for the generation that isn’t old enough or conscious enough to remember.
Wayne Delbeke says: August 17, 2014 at 1:22 pm
“Jeez Nick, read the “to” address”
His letter begins “I am interested in sailing on the Greenpeace”
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 1:09 pm
The 1971 voyage was not “a” Greenpeace sailing, but the first one. Moore was on board. When the “Don’t Make a Wave Committee” was reorganized into Greenpeace in 1972, Moore was among the founders. Naturally, the present, corporate Greenpeace has tried to rewrite history by writing him out of it.
Nick stokes,
Means nothing, let’s assume you were in say Rotary, you wanted to go on a rotary mission, what would you do? Does the letter written to the activity coordinator, mean that you don’t already belong to Rotary?
Let’s say you wrote PDOS ( the foundation of MSDOS ) the application most responsible for founding Microsoft, years later you applied for a job, does that mean you didn’t write PDOS, didn’t help found Microsoft?
Is there any evidence that Moore was a founder of Greenpeace. The Greenpeace website says he was part of a group that sailed to Amchitka but no mention of founding member. I vaguely remember an earlier WUWT saying that Greenpeace disappeared that fact but couldn’t find any evidence in the web archive.
Nick –
I believe the ship, “Greenpeace” and the orginazation, “Greenpeace” aren’t the same thing.
The ship existed before the organization changed it’s name to “Greenpeace”..
From the way it appears, many of what would be called the founders of the organization “Greenpeace” may have sailed on that vessel in 1971.
Good try, but I am not convinced that MSM will be courageous enough to print/broadcast anything meaningful about the tour. They have painted themselves into the same corner as the politicians and none of them know how to extricate themselves.
I would love to be proved wrong, though.
Can’t get the paypal thing to work – no place to put “Moore Appeal”, just allows donations to “Galileo Movement”.
What am I doing wrong?
James Allison says:
August 17, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Not just evidence, but beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here are the facts:
The “Don’t Make a Wave Committee” was founded by American expats recently moved to BC, the Bohlens and the “Stowes”, US Communist lawyer and public employee union organizing social worker who had just (they claimed) embraced Quakerism and changed their names from Strasmich and Rabinowitz. They organized the first, 1971 anti-nuclear cruise to Amchitka on a ship another committee member had named “Greenpeace”. Moore was a member of the crew.
After that cruise, Moore and some of the other committee members, among whom Paul Watson claims to have been, proposed formally organizing as Greenpeace in 1972. Moore was the only founder with scientific credentials, however slight, so was prominent early in the movement’s history. Irving “Stowe” died in 1974.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Peace
Draw your own conclusion. From the 1969 Amchitka protests at the US border until 1972+- it there was the “don’t make a wave” committee. I had stuff in my basement from back then until a couple if years ago when I purged all my old engineering and miscellaneous records. The reference above is as vague as my memories, but it is reasonably close.
Apologies for even saying anything as it distracts from the main point of the post.
While I don’t agree with some of what Dr. Moore says, I believe he is on a good path. Plus we are cut from the same generational and work ethic cloth.
I will be donating, just as I did back in the day.
Nick Stokes says: … a bunch of total BS …
I can only surmise that Mr. Stokes is very, very economical with the truth OR he just says things without checking the facts first. I don’t know which it is with Mr. Stokes, but I do know he gets paid to promote climate alarmism and does it here on this blog on a daily basis.
To claim Dr. Patrick Moore was not a co-founder of Greenpeace is a lie equal to the sort of stuff we saw in Pravda back in the U.S.S.R. days. It is a disgusting attempt at 1984 style re-writing of history. I am old enough to remember those days and Greenpeace claimed Dr. Moore as a founder for a long, long time.
markstoval says:
August 17, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Greenpeace was a KGB front organization at least until the end of the USSR.
If Dr. Patrick Moore is reading this post I wonder if he might settle the discussion about whether he was a founding member of Greenpeace or not.
“Greenpeace was a KGB front organization at least until the end of the USSR.”
If that is true, or if that is not true, does not change the fact that Dr. Moore was a co-founder of the Greenpeace organization.
I choose to be a member of the World Wildlife Fund for years in the 70s and 80s until the organization did things I could not agree to in good conscience. I can not re-write history and claim I did not join. A thing is true or it is false.
markstoval says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:08 pm
I doubt that Dr. Moore knew whence all the money came. He can clear this up, but I assume he thought that the benefit concerts and donations provided it all. Couldn’t find the Forbes piece on the topic, but there’s this:
http://www.attacreport.com/ar_archives/art_na_greenpeace.htm
After the fall of the USSR, Greenpeace continued operations from its new international corporate HQ in NYC. Whether it still gets support from the FSB under Putin or not, who can say?
James Allison says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:08 pm
You can read what Dr. Moore himself has to say about association with Greenpeace, from his US Senate testimony earlier this year:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/26/confessions-of-a-greenpeace-droput-to-the-u-s-senate-on-climate-change/
“In 1971, as a PhD student in ecology I joined an activist group in a church basement in Vancouver Canada and sailed on a small boat across the Pacific to protest US Hydrogen bomb testing in Alaska. We became Greenpeace.
“After 15 years in the top committee I had to leave as Greenpeace took a sharp turn to the political left, and began to adopt policies that I could not accept from my scientific perspective. Climate change was not an issue when I abandoned Greenpeace, but it certainly is now.”
Nick Stokes says:
The story about Patrick Moore being a co-founder of Greenpeace surely needs to be laid to rest. Greenpeace have published a letter from him in 1971 asking about joining a Greenpeace sailing.
The letter puts Moore on record, that’s all. Stokes is reading things into it that are not there. Wayne Delbecke is right, this is just an attempt to re-write the past. Winston Smith would understand.
I would still like to hear from Patrick Moore himself.
Anyway, it is clear that the communist left has always controlled Greenpeace, along with the rest of the eco-movement. It is beyone naive to doubt that. When the Berlin Wall came down, the old KGB morphed into the FSB, but the actors remained the same. They ratcheted up their plan to take over enviro groups,and they have been 100% successful. Useful idiots, and all that.
For those who want to contribute to enviro groups, I suggest you ask for an outside audit of all income and expenses before you squander your money. You will not get it, therefore the best course of action is to find places where your dollars can be put to good use.
From every account I have read, the Greenpeace officers and delegates live like kings, staying at high priced hotels, flying everywhere even when there is alternate transportation, and in general acting exactly like United Nations/IPCC delegates to COP conferences.
Is that really how you want your contributions spent? They are profligate, and you, as a mere contributor, are not allowed to see how they waste your money. Donating to a local creek cleanup will be far better for the planet than throwing your money into the unaccountable Greenpeace black hole.
Let them know, too: tell them your contributions will stop until they have annual outside audits. The result would be that your hard earned money would actually go toward ‘saving the planet’, instead of providing cushy, all expense paid jaunts for the special, self-appointed folks taking your money.
Nick Stokes says:
“His letter begins “I am interested in sailing on the Greenpeace””
He is clearly talking about a vessel and not the organization that did not exist at the time.
You are one of those guys Nick. I’d really like to know how you live with yourself.
dbstealey says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm [ “…” ]
No doubt many have viewed the “Great Global Warming Swindle”, but Moore makes some of his main points in it:
Moore at about 41 minutes and 1:12 on the takeover of the environmental movement by refugee Watermelons from failed Communism and the baleful effect of “climate science” on Third World development.
Nick Stokes,
The posts above nicely illustrate the jeopardy you place yourself in, when you take your facts only from the Global Warming Alarmist side.
It would be great for you to publish a retraction of your comments. It would be a first for you, I suspect.
dbstealey says: August 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm
“I would still like to hear from Patrick Moore himself.”
Patrick Moore doesn’t like Paul Watson. Watson had the temerity to call himself a founder. No, says Moore:
“On his Sea Shepherd website, Paul Watson claims, “I was a founding member of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee in 1970.”[16] This is simply false. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders, Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Irving Stowe were quite conservative by nature and couldn’t stomach Watson.”
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:57 pm
The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders were among the founders of the Greenpeace Foundation, but did not constitute all of them. These anti-American nuclear test activists may have been conservative by nature but not by politics.
Sorry, forgot the link. It also has Moore stating his basis for the claim:
” I was on that old fishing boat, so it is reasonable for me to describe myself as a cofounder of Greenpeace.”
Apparently everyone on the first boat trip was a co-founder.
“Their exposure to Patrick’s story could well result in a swing away from CAGW allusions in the media”
I fear they underestimate the fierce bias bordering on contempt that exists among most liberal journalists…which is another way of saying most journalists. That said, I’ll be digging deep.
Doesn’t Gore charge 100 grand for just one session of lip flapping? Suzuki keeps playing catch up.
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 3:00 pm
http://rexweyler.com/greenpeace/greenpeace-history/chronology/
“Hunter, Metcalfe, Bohlen, Darnell,…Simmons…Cummings,…Moore,…Birmingham,…Thurston,…Keziere…Fineberg, replaced (by) Marining”.
Some co-founders weren’t on the boat.
What about all the oil money Patrick has been getting?
MattN says:
August 17, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Even Algore isn’t getting his Big Oil checks as promised by al Jazeerah.
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 2:57 pm
dbstealey says: August 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm
“I would still like to hear from Patrick Moore himself.”
Patrick Moore doesn’t like Paul Watson. Watson had the temerity to call himself a founder. No, says Moore:
“On his Sea Shepherd website, Paul Watson claims, “I was a founding member of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee in 1970.”[16] This is simply false. The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders, Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Irving Stowe were quite conservative by nature and couldn’t stomach Watson.”
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Nick Stokes,
Borrowing from RWhite (above) ” you are one of those guys Nick. I’d really like to know how you live with yourself.”
I, however, appreciate you, Nick Stokes, as you are a perfect learning/teaching tool for how ” you guys ” do your anti-fact propaganda.
Your first entry here has been handily rebuffed by my betters here. It took me 8 seconds to read the letter and KNOW the references, do you really think “the Greenpeace” refers to the organization he was writing to, maybe the address was for ? what ? Do you really believe the confusion you spew or is more important that other, less careful, people do ? So there is your first generously provided visual aid into your M.O.
Above we have your second. You say “Patrick Morre doesn’t like Paul Watson.” Then you proceed to present evidence that Patrick Morre wrote that Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote and Irving Stone “couldn’t stomach Watson.”
But NO evidence that “Patrick Moore doesn”t like Paul Watson.”
Seems to kinda work like Climate Alarmist “Science”. Just good enough to convince low information people to “believe”, but just askew of actual facts.
You are more accidentally transparent than you think.
Seriously.. How DO you people sleep at night ?
Nick Stokes says:
“Hunter, Metcalfe, Bohlen, Darnell,…Simmons…Cummings,…Moore,…Birmingham,…Thurston,…Keziere…Fineberg, replaced (by) Marining
Some co-founders weren’t on the boat.”
Quoting from the site you mention:
“Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, the Stowes, Bohlens, Hunter, Thurston, Moore, and Keziere went to a Liberal Party brunch, where they confronted Davis and Sharp. After the event, they returned to the Metcalfe’s’ home and proclaimed themselves “The World Greenpeace Foundation” with Ben Metcalfe as chairman.”
I seem to see Moore in there when they “proclaimed themselves”
Therefore, I can only assume this comment was your lame attempt at an apology and a retraction.
Environmental and anti-nuclear activists of any kind from that era would at first, I imagine, deny any formal organizational structure. It would smack too much of government organization and religion. That was back when “green wasn’t cool” (there’s a song in there somewhere) yet. It’s only later when being a “founding member” sounds legit and is used to shine one’s credentials. But the reality of the “foundering” of greenpeace likely involved potato chips, a clipped roach or two, and a decided lack of official organization such as you would see with stuffed suits. Yes they likely thought of themselves as saving the world. Their parents likely spoke of their activist offspring with a wise muffled epitaph and a roll of the eyes.
sturgishooper says: August 17, 2014 at 3:41 pm
“Hunter, Metcalfe, Bohlen, Darnell,…Simmons…Cummings,…Moore,…Birmingham,…Thurston,…Keziere…Fineberg, replaced (by) Marining”.
That’s Greenpeace listing who was on the boat. It doesn’t say they were co-founders.
Your link does say:
“February 15, 1970: The Vancouver Sun ran story about the intended voyage, dropping the Sierra Club reference and mentioning a boat to be called “the Greenpeace,” the first time the term appeared in print as a single word.
Marie Bohlen’s son, Paul Nonnast, designed the first button with the ecology symbol above, the peace symbol below, and in the middle, the single word: GREENPEACE. The Don’t Make A Wave Committee published the first “Greenpeace” pamphlet in March 1970”
This all happened well before Moore asked to join the trip March ’71.
From Moore’s article:
“The late Bob Hunter, one of the most important leaders and communicators in the early years, claimed you could find a Greenpeace founder in nearly any bar in Canada.”
With loosely organized protest groups, it takes a year or two to “found” the damn thing. No one takes notes at the “meeting” because no one brings a steno pad and it really wasn’t a meeting (an opportunity to get buzzed with your friends and complain about the establishment, yes). No one asks about old business or new business because, well, it just doesn’t go with chips and roach clips, and no one reports receipts and expenses. Come on you guys…it was the hippie era. Moore’s stump speech as weight because like every generation, he has discovered that there is nothing new under the sun and nature is quite robust, not the fragile little thing we all need to bend over backwards for, thinking it needs our help. If anything, Moore has discovered that nature is rather cruel and cares not one whit for the attentions he gave it early on. Of course this will not sway the next generation from trying to save something and telling the “old” generation that they suck.
RWhite says: August 17, 2014 at 3:51 pm
“I seem to see Moore in there when they “proclaimed themselves””
Moore sayssays (again while putting down Watson):
“The Greenpeace Foundation was established on May 4, 1972, and was the first registered organization to use the name Greenpeace. This was accomplished simply by changing the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to Greenpeace Foundation.”
lawrence Cornell says: August 17, 2014 at 3:50 pm
“But NO evidence that “Patrick Moore doesn”t like Paul Watson.””
Moore says:
“Paul Watson had nothing to do with the creation of Greenpeace International. He was in the room for the meeting, but he was not in the official photograph, likely because he had nothing to do with Greenpeace at the time. He may have signed a piece of paper, but he was not in any way involved in the negotiations or in the terms of the settlement. He has no right to describe himself as a founder of Greenpeace International. But that will likely not deter him.”
@ Nick Stokes:
from:
The Greenpeace Book – http://rexweyler.com/greenpeace/greenpeace-history/chronology/
Quote:
January 1972: Metcalfe organized a protest against Canadian Fisheries Minister Jack Davis and Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs Mitchell Sharp. Davis had attempted to stall boat insurance for the Phyllis Cormack, and Metcalfe wanted to force Sharp to put nuclear testing on the agenda of the United Nations Environment Conference to be held in Stockholm that summer. Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, the Stowes, Bohlens, Hunter, Thurston, Moore, and Keziere went to a Liberal Party brunch, where they confronted Davis and Sharp. After the event, they returned to the Metcalfe’s’ home and proclaimed themselves “The World Greenpeace Foundation” with Ben Metcalfe as chairman.
Sounds like that was the official proclaiming of the “founding” of the organization.
See? It took at least 3 years to get serious. Maybe they ran out of chips.
Stokes appreciated being nicknamed Racehorse Stokes on ClimateAudit.org but now he’s just an Asshorse. His pure bias is a mere extension of the entire hockey stick team that still produces emergency level funding for junk science, with enablers of cult following zeal like Stokes being themselves most privy to the fact that fraud is behind the hockey stick version of history. When they get this desperate, risking being sued, guys like Moore will not need do many fund drives, eh, Nick? How’s your liability insurance I wonder, slanderer? I imagine Greenpeace itself will soon be sued along with the whole RICO worthy alarmist PR machine, now that the latest hockey stick updated the fraud so it’s no longer ancient history but 2013 history. Mere politicians get a pass as long as do many scientific bodies have failed to include skepticism in their climate statements, with only the Am. Phys. Soc finally including three of six on their new climate statement committee, but true intellectual insiders like Stokes who enable potential energy rationing genocide due to a false emergency, are simply evil.
Didn’t he apply to the Don’t Make A Whale Committee, as opposed to Greenpeace?
See my comments below on this issue. It’s all a bit confusing. It seems he was on the committee when it got re-named Greenpeace .
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/greenpeace-disappears-a-founder-much-like-the-commissar-vanishes-in-soviet-russia/#comment-1549918
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/greenpeace-disappears-a-founder-much-like-the-commissar-vanishes-in-soviet-russia/#comment-1549933
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/greenpeace-disappears-a-founder-much-like-the-commissar-vanishes-in-soviet-russia/#comment-1549956
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Please see RWhite’s quotation from the site I cited. It’s dispositive of the fact that Moore was indeed a co-founder of the Greenpeace Foundation.
“Ben and Dorothy Metcalfe, the Stowes, Bohlens, Hunter, Thurston, Moore, and Keziere went to a Liberal Party brunch, where they confronted Davis and Sharp. After the event, they returned to the Metcalfe’s’ home and proclaimed themselves “The World Greenpeace Foundation” with Ben Metcalfe as chairman.”
OK, OK!
I think the Moore/Greenpeace thing has been beaten to death.
I still want to know what the $100K is for.
Nick Stokes,
Here is Dr. Patrick Moore’s side of the history. He clearly states who the founders of the ‘Don’t Make a Wave Committee’ were and he doesn’t include himself.
So you could still argue that he was a founder? He does state that Greenpeace was always something of work in progress.
SAILING is the word to focus on in your reply. It was a boat and not an organisation.
Pamela Gray says: August 17, 2014 at 4:06 pm
“With loosely organized protest groups, it takes a year or two to “found” the damn thing.”
Patrick Moore supplies the
Certification of Incorporation, 5 October 1970.
Poor Nick: So good at straining for gnats while pushing piles of bs.
Glad to help in my small way for Dr. Moore to point out just how bad the eco-movement has become.
@ Nick Stokes:
When you are wrong, you are wrong.
That Certification of Incorporation, dated 5 October 1070, is not for the Greenpeace Foundation.
JohnWho says: August 17, 2014 at 4:39 pm
“That Certification of Incorporation, dated 5 October 1070, is not for the Greenpeace Foundation.”
It was for the Don’t make a Wave Committee. Let me quote Moore again:
“The Greenpeace Foundation was established on May 4, 1972, and was the first registered organization to use the name Greenpeace. This was accomplished simply by changing the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to Greenpeace Foundation.”
Don’t be silly Nick.
You accept that “The Greenpeace Foundation was established on May 4, 1972” and then rant that Moore was not a member of it in 1971. No one could be, since it wasn’t established until May 4, 1972.
A founder of Greenpeace does not need to be a founder of the previous organization.
But, you know that. You simply can not admit to being wrong again.
Now this is hilarious stuff!!! I can just see the “club house” in my mind’s eye. And the document for “Don’t Make A Wave” society is priceless!!!!!! But what I really want to know is the secret handshake and where do I get my decoder ring.
Boys. They can be a riot. So serious. But at least this clubhouse let girls in.
davidmhoffer says:
August 17, 2014 at 4:29 pm
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“OK, OK! I think the Moore/Greenpeace thing has been beaten to death.”
Some time-expired racehorses need more flogging than others…
“I still want to know what the $100K is for.”
Very unlikely to be for profit if we are talking a tour of the Australian continent. Try organising flights, hotels, ground transport and venue minimum booking deposits for just Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane and Canberra and you won’t have change from $100,000. He’ll need even more if you want to include advertising.
Besides, $100,000 is a bargain compared to what Al Bore charges for a single appearance and a fair investment given the contribution Moore is making to help save Science.
Uh, Pamela –
you know, perhaps they thought it was an organization that brought in young virgin women.
They just misspelled it to Green “Peace”?
Dunno.
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NIck, give it up. There is too much correct information available to sustain the claim that Dr Moore was not a founder of the organisation called “Greenpeace’. Yes we understand that Greenpeace is embarrassed by one of their founders poking holes in their inflated movement.
Were the American founders draft dodgers? That description of the social circle is exactly what were used to seeing in Toronto. It is a mix of the Ban the Bomb people and US draft dodgers infiltrated by the endless stream of revolutionaries. It was routine in those days to advertise ‘Room for Rent – no needle freaks or mad bombers.’
When Greenpeace was formed it fell into a new category of radical organisation that promised a new form of protest by people ‘willing to die to get publicity’. My impression was it was driven far more by being anti-US-in-Vietnam than being ‘anti-pollution’ (remember pollution?) and whales which were the ‘polar bears’ of the time. (At least the whales were endangered.) After all, what’s a young, energetic draft dodger gonna do with his time? Ban the Bomb emerged as a ‘third way’ powered by hippies. The formation of Greenpeace was like its ideological military wing with (necessarily, of course) secret meetings and funding cool quasi-military planning with real ex-Viet-vets. Anyone got names?
The only thing that upset the Canadians was when draft dodgers held a violent series of protests outside the US Consulate quite near U of T in Toronto. We were willing to put up with them, but not that. Anyone remember Rochdale College? Those were days of transformation.
There was a Toronto-based hippie street mag “Guerilla” that was a voice on the same scene. Pay what you want and all that, subsidized by Unknowns.
I am impressed that Dr Moore has once again chosen to protest the outrageous, the profligate and the Lie. Good on you, Doc.
Al Gore charges $200,000 for attendance and a speech, even to member organisations of his movement in Third World countries. You can quote me.
Sorry Nick. After watching Mr.Moore’s video I have to say that your credibility is in the dumper.
The LSD movement created Silicon Valley when cool Hippies has spiritually charged trips, but it also created neo-Marxist rebellion among the less creative class who had rather bad trips during a war. Alas, the Valley and associated Net startup crowd have idolized the free thinking gurus of the 1960s in such an uncritical way that they include in this adoration the Orwellian psychopaths who then infiltrated academia to try to topple the system instead of improve it. Global warming alarm is the result, since they failed intellectually.
It looks like ‘Old Nick’ (Satan, i.e the bad guy) has ‘Stoked’ his last flame war.
Geez Nick… You quite often have something useful to say … But in this case you are looking quite desperate in your explanation…
Remember the famous old* Chinese saying, “He who attempts to jump through too many hoops risks disappearing up his own a***hole.”
(*… Yeah, I made it up)
Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta says:
August 17, 2014 at 5:26 pm
The American founders weren’t draft dodgers, although some of the less prominent, younger early members might have been.
The “Stowes” (born 1915 & 1920) were plain, old-fashioned Northeastern (Brown, Yale Law & RI labor activism) Communists. The Bohlens (Jim born 1926; engineer) were ’60s-style, garden-variety, fellow-traveler, useful idiot, dropout Peacenik, Back-to-the-Landers.
Commissar Stokes to the rescue to edit history again.
Only thanks to coal fired electricity powering information storage on the web its not working. Much like the rest of Comissar Stokes methods. If these peasants wont take your information Comissar, the only thing left to do is to use force and send in the revolutionary guards.
What do you mean none of those ? Is this a joke ?
Gletkin will be required to interview you.
@sturgishooper
>The American founders weren’t draft dodgers, although some of the less prominent, younger early members might have been.
There was a lot of sympathy for the dodgers.
>The “Stowes” (born 1915 & 1920) were plain, old-fashioned Northeastern (Brown, Yale Law & RI labor activism) Communists.
Why did they go to Canada? Interesting. We called them arm-chair revolutionaries – willing to talk the talk and fund others to get their hands smudged. Greenpeace is a good example of needing such useful contributors.
>The Bohlens (Jim born 1926; engineer) were ’60s-style, garden-variety, fellow-traveler, useful idiot, dropout Peacenik, Back-to-the-Landers.
That is who Mother Earth sold things to. Much has changed now but ME is still around. Those were moon landing days. South Africa was implementing petty apartheid. On other fronts Don Johnson et al started VITA, Cecil Cook, then in the anti-poverty movement wrote the founding/funding document for the National Centre for Appropriate Technology (NCAT) in Butte and many sustainable flowers bloomed. WUSC gave Canadian-based Peace Corps-like chances for the adventurous. It is really sad how the environmental movement (which was real and effective) was hijacked by the not-so-nutters who promote CAGW. That is what happens when the original conceptualists are replaced by bean counters and wily opportunists driving a very different agenda in sheep’s clothing.
Nick Stokes, if you please, stop. You’ve failed to address the retorts to your first (and very important) argument.
Crispin in Waterloo but really in Yogyakarta says:
August 17, 2014 at 6:22 pm
The Bohlens moved to BC in the late ’60s because of their Quaker-motivated opposition to the VN war, but also because of their incipient back to the land hippiedom.
http://news.discovery.com/earth/farewell-rainbow-warrior.htm
The Stalinist “Stowes” had been on the lam from the US since 1961, but I guess NZ wasn’t Commie enough for them, so they too late in the decade decamped to Vancouver, the a Mecca for Leftist misfits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Stowe
You lucky Great White Northerners got not only our cowardly young scum but commie older scum.
Dear Nick Stokes,
Robert ‘Bob’ Hunter, who is regarded as the Father of Greenpeace also wrote a letter to the Don’t Make A Wave Committee for a birth on the Greenpeace…..a day before Moore’s letter;
I have been meaning to write this for ages…I guess you’d call it a formal application for passage on the Greenpeace. And I guess you’ve had quite a few such applications.
http://www.beattystreetpublishing.com/correspondence-jim-bowlen-to-robert-hunter/
Nick Stokes’ first comment has been shown to be wrong. Yet he’ll come back here pretending that he’s right.
Sorry, ‘birth’ should of course be berth.
BruceC, ouch!
Daniel G. says:
August 17, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Nick is nothing if not consistent. He uncritically bought into the climate Team’s lies about global warming and now equally uncritically accepts the political lies of the current Greenpeace Mafia.
A better, more honest, self-confident person would admit to having been hoodwinked in both instances, but that’s not the way our Nickie rolls.
But WUWT would be less fun without his drive by drivel.
BruceC says:
August 17, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Did not know that. Killer. Thanks.
Wow, written letters and everything as evidenced in the subsequent comments .,……
OK, so who is doing an analysis on the metadata on the doc’s?
C’mon, nobody thinks they may see Gleick’s style in the forensic data?
Here is the Greenpeace website (archived image). Fascinating stuff.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/greenpeace_founders_before.png
Nick, in his polite banal trollish way, has derailed this thread.
Dr. Moore needs our help in raising awareness of how phonied up the climate kook’s argument is. Help to assist Australia in liberating itself from the shackles of the climatocracy is well worth the little bit each of us can give.
Nick is offering petty deceitful word parsing and too many are falling for it.
Australia is setting the example for the rest of the world- reject the failed demands of climate kooks and make rational energy and climate policies.
Dr. Moore thinks he can help, and he says he needs some help from us. Forget Nick’s pitiable attempts to detour the issue. Let’s do something that can help.
Jimbo says:
August 17, 2014 at 6:56 pm
Gotta love the Wayback Machines. That’s as good as resurrecting the temperature data from before Nickie’s partners in climate capers cooled older data and warmed more recent.
TO: Nick Stokes
Address this before commenting on WUWT any further:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/greenpeace_founders_before.png
hunter says:”truth”
You make a fair point sir. I allowed Mr. Stokes to get under my skin and derail the thread. I’m going make a donation.
Good one Anthony. Nick Stokes stated the same lie at Jo Nova’s place and got pulled up when he was shown Greenpeace’s own archived website showed Patrick Moore as one of the founders
http://web.archive.org/web/20051216000251/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
Then he comes here to repeat the same lie.
We have not seen any truth or integrity or good faith from Nick Stokes on any issues relating to Climate Science and he constantly lies and defends the indefensible,
Jimbo says: August 17, 2014 at 6:36 pm
“Nick Stokes’ first comment has been shown to be wrong.”
My first comment said:
“Greenpeace have published a letter from him in 1971 asking about joining a Greenpeace sailing.”
So where is it wrong?
sturgishooper says: August 17, 2014 at 6:39 pm
“now equally uncritically accepts the political lies of the current Greenpeace Mafia.”
I have quoted almost entirely the words of Patrick Moore.
“ossqss says: August 17, 2014 at 6:46 pm
OK, so who is doing an analysis on the metadata on the doc’s?”
Patrick Moore links to his letter here [5].
Anthony Watts says: August 17, 2014 at 7:10 pm
“Address this before commenting on WUWT any further:”
The document from Greenpeace Australia clearly has it wrong. It refers to the formation of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee in 1970, and lists Patrick Moore among the founders and first members
1. Patrick Moore himself describes the founders of that Committee thus:
“The Don’t Make a Wave Committee founders, Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Irving Stowe”
2. Patrick Moore describes his first involvement thus:
“On March 14, 1971, the committee publicly announced its plan to sail the Phyllis Cormack to the test site.[3] The Vancouver Sun covered the story the next day including a photo of Jim Bohlen and Paul Cote with the Phyllis Cormack in the background. On the same day, March 15, Bob Hunter wrote a letter of introduction to the Don’t Make a Wave Committee, asking if he could have a berth on the ship.[4] My letter with the same request followed one day later on March 16.[5] The next meeting of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee, in the basement of the Unitarian Church, was attended by about 25 people.”
That Committee was incorporated in October 1970. Clearly Moore was neither a founder nor a first member.
Do you have any specific facts that I have got wrong?
REPLY: Yes, you don’t know when to shut up when you are wrong, now you want us to believe a document of the Wayback machine by Greenpeace itself is wrong? And therefore Dr. Moore is NOT a co-founder of Greenpeace because he was a late add to the committee that preceded it? Sheesh. My tolerance for your obtuse obfuscation has reached its limit. As I’ve said before, this is the sort of stuff a paid shill does. – Anthony
Good idea, maybe the Greens MP’s might like a trip too.
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 7:25 pm
The corporation Greenpeace has published a letter by Moore to the “Don’t Make a Wave Committee”, not to Greenpeace, about sailing on the ship rechristened “Greenpeace”, all of which happened before the founding of the organization Greenpeace.
If you can’t handle distinctions this simple, it’s no wonder that you’re totally bamboozled by the Team’s antiscientific sleight of statistics.
Pamela Gray says
‘That was back when “green wasn’t cool” (there’s a song in there somewhere) yet.’
Who can forget Kermit?
Nick Stokes says:
August 17, 2014 at 7:44 pm
Yes. You got wrong the fact that the Committee was not the Greenpeace Foundation. Do we need to draw it for you with crayons?
It would be better by coach/s, and concentrate state by state, with all our different micro-climates. And high altitudes, like the Northern Tablelands in comparison to Tamworth down in the slopes.
Australia is too large a land mass to cover in one trip, best keep to the agricultural zones that grow our food and export it. How coastal regions differ from inland. If he kept to regional 1 or 2 day trips, people could buy their own food, and pay for shared accommodation, and then cover the coach ride and some payment for Moore, I am sure people would be prepared to pay $100 a day for this, and local councils and MPs get federal or State funding to pay for the rest.
Much as I respect Moore and wish him and Australian skeptics well, IMO only the retirement and death of the charlatan Climate Change Team liars will end the insanity, along with 20 years of cooling while CO2 keeps rising.
Our progeny will look upon the craziness of 1977-2032, or whenever it finally dies its well-deserved death, as an aberration, a mass hysteria scam even more egregious than eugenics c. 1883-1945. I hope that fewer millions die from the Team’s anti-human ideology than from that of the Nazis.
If you want to take over another country without firing a shot, all you have to do is send in some enviromentalists and wait for them to destroy the economy. Without an economy they cannot support a military. You just walk in. You just have to have patience and a little help from the useful idiots like Nick Stokes.
@ Nick Stokes:- Do you have any specific facts that I have got wrong?
Yep!
Patrick Moore was an active member of the Don’t Make A Wave Committee in 1970.
Did you know Nick, in 1970 Patrick Moore, Jim Bohlen and Paul Cotes inspected the Phyllis Cormack (aka; the Greenpeace) at the Fraser River docks to see if it was sea-worthy enough for the planned voyage?
October 29, 1971: On the way back to Vancouver, Hunter and Metcalfe proposed that upon their return, they should reconstitute the organization as the Greenpeace Foundation. Hunter borrowed the term “Foundation” from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy.
As the late Bob Hunter later recalled;
“The key moment of the trip came a day before we limped back into Vancouver. As we all sat slumped in the galley, burned out, Bohlen announced that he was going to shut down the Don’t Make a Wave Committee as soon as he got the chance. It was an ad hoc group and it had done its thing. Don’t do that, I told him. Why waste all this hard-earned media capital? Fold the committee, sure, but reconstitute it as the Greenpeace Foundation. That was my main contribution, yet the moment did not find its way into my manuscript. It was an element of hope for a future revolution, and I was not hopeful as I bobbed in the harbour at Steveston, heartsick and overmedicated, writing the story of our failure. In the end I told the truth as I saw it, supposedly as it was, never mind loyalty to the cause.”
January 21, 1972: The Don’t Make a Wave Committee resolved to change its name to the Greenpeace Foundation. The Metcalfes, the Hunters, Patrick Moore, Rod Marining, and others remained active. The Stowes and Bohlens withdrew but stayed in contact with the Metcalfes. Stowe’s closing financial statement showed that between June 1970 and December 31, 1971, the Don’t Make A Wave Committee raised $62,703, and spent $53,025 on the Amchitka campaign. Stowe turned over $9,678 to Dorothy and Ben Metcalfe.
May 4, 1972: The Provincial Societies office in Victoria, British Columbia registered the name, Greenpeace Foundation.
When Bob Hunter stood down as President of the Greenpeace Foundation in 1977, Patrick Moore took over as Pres. In 1979, the Greenpeace Foundation morphed into Greenpeace Canada and Moore retained his postion as Pres. of GP Canada until he left in 1986. He was also on the Board of Directors of Greenpeace International (which took over from the Greenpeace Foundation) from 1979-1986.
Moore was also present at the Vatican when Greenpeace was invited to a mass audience with the Pope.
ALL of the above FACTS are from Rex Weyler’s* Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World.
*Rex Weyler was a director of the original Greenpeace Foundation and co-founder of Greenpeace International.
BruceC says:
August 17, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Please don’t confuse Nick with facts. His antihuman religion is based on emotion and faith.
The above facts can also be found in Bob Hunter’s 1978 book; Warriors of the Rainbow
Nick Stokes, you just flunked debate class.
Hoping that after 2016, the US will join Canada and Australia as nations with heads of government, if not state, who recognize the Team’s scam for the hoax it is:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/23/rand-paul-bashes-alarmist-ignoramus-climate-change-claims/
Doesn’t hurt that he’s from a coal state and has a scientific educational background.
Only Christie passes muster as a non-denialist by the WaPo’s climate commissars:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/12/where-the-2016-gop-contenders-stand-on-climate-change/
@BruceC 8/17 8:22 pm
Game, Set, and Match. Well done. With TWO references, yet.
[snip] Nick. Nope, you aren’t going to hijack this thread any further, simply admit the three easy to say words “I was wrong”. Or, take a two day time out. – Anthony
Enough!
If Nick is this determined to derail the thread, then this tour has got to be worth it. I’ve made a donation on the strength of Nick’s attempt to smear Moore. Despite not getting a “from the horse’s mouth” accounting of what the money is for, I suggest there is more value in making a donation and saying so than there is in debating Nick further. If there was a way to donate in Nick’s name, I would. It would only be fair as he is the one that convinced me to do it 😉
WUWT has supported our efforts, we are going to support this one!
Well I got the wrong end of the stick. But I have emailed my MP the Hon.Barnaby Joyce, he is minister for agriculture, and informed them of Dr Moore’s intended tour. Hoping the Feds can put in a few dollars, as it is appropriate as we have repealed the carbon tax. I suggest all Aussies who are on this blog, do the same. No hide no Christmas cake, eh?
Bobl and don’t forget to add security. You know what these green nutters are capable of.
Donation made.
davidmhoffer:
At August 17, 2014 at 10:25 pm you write in total
I do not want to hinder your making a contribution, but I write to point out that Nick’s behaviour in this thread is not unique.
As recently as two days ago Nick Stokes attempted to derail another WUWT thread with persistent falsehood and refusal to admit he was wrong. The matter is spelled-out here,
Nick Stokes and Stephen Mosher each sometimes make useful contributions, but I am starting to wonder if those contributions are worth the disruptions they provide.
Richard
“My tolerance for your obtuse obfuscation has reached its limit. As I’ve said before, this is the sort of stuff a paid shill does.” – Mr. Watts
As I mentioned in my first comment about Mr. Stokes using the same lie he previously tried to pass at JoNOva’s blog, he spends most every day making comments here in support of the Team‘s agenda. I have long suspected that he is assigned this task. If that is true or not, he appears impervious to factual information and real world data.
Nick
It is somewhat ironic that I was defending you here a couple of days ago as one of the few voices that give an alternative view. However, as with tree rings, so with people such as Moore that become renegades to the all consuming cause by speaking against the green consensus, you really need to dig deeper than you do. Lovelock and others have also upset the green powers that be and get shunned. Does that tell you something? Have you read 1984? Did you actually take in the satirical message on the ‘Yes Minister’ programmes?
You are wrong about Moore as was also demonstrated over at CE a few months ago. History can be inconvenient can’t it, which is why so many people try to dismiss my own work as merely ‘historical anecdotes.’
Here’s hoping you delve a bit deeper and also that you can unearth something that demonstrates that your faith in tree rings is based on solid science
tonyb
Greenpeace was the name given to the boat for the voyage and it would be the first of the many Greenpeace protests. Following the first voyage, key crew members decided to formally change the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to the Greenpeace Foundation. These decision makers included founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe as well as Patrick Moore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(environmentalist)
I have no problem accepting that Greenpeace would like to distance themselves from Patrick Moore’s current positions on environmental issues, he is doing the same. But it’s a completely different story to claim he was not part of the process that has led to the foundation of Greenpeace.
Beyond giving him some “street cred” in the eyes of the public, should it really matter what is his exact affiliation with early Greenpeace has been? He obviously shared the same beliefs and convictions at one point, but went through some kind of transformation since then. Why has he changed his mind, is a much more interesting question to be asked.
Moru H.:
Your post at August 18, 2014 at 2:39 am concludes saying
Yes. And I am unable to understand why you fail to recognise why his status as a Greempeace founder is contested.
If that status is refuted then there is no reason to suppose that Moore has “changed his mind”.
But the facts are that Moore supported the original ideas promoted by Greenpeace with such strong conviction that he was a co-founder of Greenpeace.
Moore now disputes actions of Greenpeace. Clearly, Moore’s views have changed, or Greenpeace’s actions have changed, or both have changed.
Discussion of the changes is not possible when history is altered to delete the fact that Moore was a co-founder of Greenpeace. And prevention of such discussion is the reason Greenpeace is attempting the historical revisionism being promoted in this thread by Nick Stokes.
Richard
Chill Richard,
Why do you think i posted the from Wikipedia, it’s all in there? Contrary to Nick’s claim, the mention of Greenpeace in Moore’s letter refers to the Ship, not the organisation that didn’t exist back then. A fact stated a couple times by other commentators, but i thought it wouldn’t hurt to repeat it once more.
I also wrote:
But it’s a completely different story to claim he was not part of the process that has led to the foundation of Greenpeace.
Hence the rest of the quote:
Following the first voyage, key crew members decided to formally change the name of the Don’t Make a Wave Committee to the Greenpeace Foundation. These decision makers included founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe as well as Patrick Moore.
Nick or anybody else, including Greenpeace, trying to claim he wasn’t technically a founding member (we know he was) is putting up a red herring. Moore became a co-founder because of the beliefs and convictions he held back then; those have changed.
What matters is why. If Nick would have focused on that questions instead, the ensuing discussion could have been much more interesting.
Dear Nick Stokes,
Thank you for the live and active demonstration of the insanity of the AGW mindset and the mind bending lengths that you and other cult members will go to ensnare others into your club of screeching lemmings while trying to convince yourself that you’re not really mad as the hatter.
Thanks also for convincing me even more that you and yours MUST BE STOPPED by any means necessary as you now have stepped over the line from fanatic to evil doers. You spread lies for an evil agenda, that’s a FACT. It’s being seen here and in other venues clear as day.
My donation to Mr. Moores tour has been made. Thank you for convincing me of the importance and rightness of those that fight the good fight against evil forces. One of which goes by the label Nick Stokes.
Having been banned several times at The Guardian Newspaper for having the temerity to challenge the Alarmista Orthodox View ,I feel it only right and proper that you should see fit to ban trolls like Stokes, Mosher and Connelly. 2 wrongs do not make a right but at least it would give a lot of us some satisfaction.
Donation sent.
You just don’t know when to quit digging, do you Nick?
Went to bed, woke up, checked WUWT and still don’t see Nick saying “I was wrong”.
However,
lawrence Cornell says:
August 18, 2014 at 4:35 am
Dear Nick Stokes,
Thank you for the live and active demonstration of the insanity of the AGW mindset and the mind bending lengths that you and other cult members will go to ensnare others into your club of screeching lemmings while trying to convince yourself that you’re not really mad as the hatter.
gets an “amen” from me.
Donation made! I’m so glad there are people like Patrick who truly do care about the real (not politically imagined) environment and about scientific truth. Good luck on your tour, Mr. Moore!
I don’t see this tour will receive any coverage by the Australian MSM sadly.
MattN, he knows exactly what he is doing. He comes here to be deliberately obtuse, obfuscate, make deliberate false statements and stoop to any level to derail threads that are found to be uncomfortable for the AGW believers. Judging from the amount of similar trolling he does on various skeptic threads unendingly on a daily basis, I agree with our host’s comments that this is the typical activity exhibited by a paid shill.
“Substantial funding is required for this visit and while it is realised that funding sources for projects by environmental realists are extremely scarce, …”
Not surprised, I would have thought the modifications to the A380 and the custom 6 butt cheek wide seat will cost a pretty penny.
The internet never forgets. Here’s a screen capture courtesy of the wayback machine from Greenpeace’s website showing Moore as a founder. Of course, like good little apparatchiks, they have deleted and rewritten the history that they don’t like.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070203080000/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
Rex Weyler wrote the book “Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed The World” (and Weyler also claims to be a “founding member” of Greenpeace in the blurbs on the book’s sale sites). The book contains a “Cast of Characters” on page 575. Patrick Moore shows up as the fifth listing. I guess that the Ministry of Truth hasn’t gotten to this book yet. Quick, Nick, send them a troll telling them to correct the book.
http://books.google.com/books?id=M1GW445y2n4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
What this interesting quote really says is ALL the costs will be donated:
“The structure of the visit is such that it does not include many fund-raising events, so almost all of the costs (about $100,000) have to be covered by donations.”
I think it is pretty impressive the posting on WUWT will cover most of the costs. Of course a donation to Greenpeace co-founder, the enlightened Dr. Patrick Moore, will clear up the allusions of CAGW for some. However a matching donation to WUWT will exponentially leverage your giving.
Without WUWT, would the Dr. even be enlightened?
Nick Stokes is a comedian. Even when he is wrong, he is right.
On the archived Greenpeace page, GREENPEACE described him as a founder.
On the archived Greenpeace page, GREENPEACE has shown his photo as a founder.
Patrick Moore has said he was a founder and has provided detailed evidence.
Yet Nick points to boats and committees in a desperate bid to get himself out of his hole.
ARCHIVED GREENPEACE WEBSITE
Below is another from GREENPEACE. Greenpeace now realises that it was mistaken. 😉
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/greenpeace_founders_before.png
Nick Stokes picture?
http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm
I’m amazed at the ease and speed with which Stokes was able to redirect this thread into a nonsensical endless death spiral. Just so you all know, the Moore tour still needs some backers, not detractors, not deflectors, not well-intended knee-jerk anti-troll comments. Starve a troll, feed your intellect.
I suppose this makes me a concern troll (again).
Nick sometimes has some interesting thigns to offer. But not when it comes to things like this.
Stop feeding the troll and let’s make certain Mr. Moore has the greatest impact possible.
Nick has been shown here and elsewhere to be factually wrong on this topic. His motives in ignoring the facts are betwen him and his conciscience.
It is interesting to think that one reason a trollish partisan would fight so hard to derail a conversation and to be so tenacious in grasping onto untruths is that he is fearful of the outcome. I would hope that someone would resist the urge to be so transparently cynical, but either way we have to back those who can make a difference.
The delightful irony here how former skeptic Richard Muller, the Berkeley BEST boss of the other troll Steve “French Philosophy” Mosher, not only falsely associates his independent BEST project with Berkeley College where he has a day job but actively promoted a brazen lie that he was in fact a former skeptic at all, way back in the late 80s having adopted warmism strongly enough to resign his Sierra Club membership over their opposition to low emissions nuclear power. He then opportunistically debunked as frauds, the authors of the IPCC hockey stick era due to their hide the decline policy, in order to attract Koch funding as a big shot skeptic, potentially the biggest of all. That the latest hockey stick uses no statistical black box to hide its fake blade that turns non-responsive and thus false proxies into thermometers at all, or that Muller’s former skeptic claim is in two minutes Google destroyed, doesn’t faze these Orwellian opportunists whatsoever, for their real audience is laypersons and naive policy makers, addressed with mere soundbites and overall conclusions of their new parameterized data chopping black box whose recent outlier temperature spike is clearly falsified by more advanced space age satellite data with full instead of spotty coverage.
Well now you can you can punish and beclown these upstart hockey players by using their debasement as motivation to donate to a serious exposure of the takeover of noble environmentalism by sociopathic and elitist communists worthy of Stalin era as far as open science is concerned. So goes Australia, so goes the world, California having given up that leadership role in favor of making gadgets and hipster Marxism.
Image searches can yield some newspaper errors.
I will be writing to the Windsor Star and others. Here is some Moore 😉
The ‘Don’t Make a Wave Committee’ founders are Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, Irving Stowe, as acknowledged by Moore. The plaque above misses the date when Greenpeace Foundation was set up in 1972 and not 1971.
Looks like Nick has chosen the 2 day timeout. Just amazing.
OK, I pressed the Wayback Machine to the hilt to see if it could yield very early references.
I was brought to the above page by this archived page from Greenpeace.
Now my problem is this: If GREENPEACE calls Dr. Patrick Moor a founder, why is Nick Stokes arguing with Greenpeace? Peace and out.
REPLY: Even though he denies it, I’m pretty sure Nick is paid to do what he does. Nothing else really makes any sense given the predictable and reliable-as-the-sun-rises contra-logical thinking he displays and the amount of comments he produces. – Anthony
Has anyone ever asked Nick the direct question: Is it part of your job to post pro-AGW responses on skeptic sites?
Of course, given the way he parses “It depends on what the meaning of is, is”, you would NEVER get a straight answer.
Thanks Nick.
I too am convinced.
Donation will be made to ensure success of Patrick Moor’s Australian tour.
Just a quick apology notice to Nick Stokes. In one of my above comments I made the statement that Moore was involved with the DMAWC and inspected the Phyllis Cormack in 1970. This is incorrect, it was in March 1971. Please accept my apologies.
It must be stressed though, this makes NO difference to the discussion about whether Moore was a co-founder of Greenpeace or not, as at this point – 1971, the Greenpeace Foundation had yet to be officially registered as an organisation. Everything organised prior to May 2nd, 1972, was organised and funded by the Don’t Make A Wave Committee, including the first Greenpeace voyage to stop a second nuclear weapons test at Amchitka Island in the Aleutians.
NOTE: I just made the following comment at Nick Stokes blog in his thread that discusses this WUWT thread .
( http://moyhu.blogspot.com/2014/08/founding-greenpeace-ive-been-arguing-at.html?showComment=1408461177570&m=1 )
John Whitman on August 20, 2014 at 1:12 AM said,
Nick Stokes – This is my first comment on your blog. You’ve set your place up in a clean style. So congratulations. Although we often have little or no intellectual agreement I have respected your consistent civil demeanor over the years at various blogs. I imagine the demeanor will be the same here at your place.
In your comment @August 19, 2014 at 6:52 PM to Bruce you said “Somehow we’ve been blessed with a reasonable degree of civility on this blog, which I expect to continue. AW raised the unexpected funding that I might receive, and it’s very reasonable for William to discuss it. I don’t myself speculate on bloggers being funded (I don’t believe they are), and I hope others won’t. But I’m not going to ban anyone who does. I do encourage sticking to the issues.”
I have no general integrity issues regarding intellectuals (including intellectuals who do climate science blog thread commenting) being compensated for their discussion of ideas or of systemic knowledge or of events. At the same time I have no issues with commenters who naturally are interested in some level of disclosure about whether some other commenters are being paid to make comments in a professional intellectual capacity.
I do not intend insult while I will ask you this direct question. Are you being financially compensated for providing your intellectual services to comment at WUWT or at any other climate science related blog?
John
Over at Nick Stoke’s blog he still can’t see the light.
There you go again Nick. You must learn to differentiate.
1) Patrick More is clear about when he joined and who the founders of the “Don’t Make a Wave Committee” were.
2) When he joined the “Don’t Make a Wave Committee” it was NOT called Greenpeace.
3) You were repeatedly pointed to the archived pages from Greenpeace which said he was one of “the founders of Greenpeace”. In fact here are 3. But there are more.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020803142947/http://www.greenpeace.org/history/
http://web.archive.org/web/20020810202251/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20051216000251/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
This is your problem Nick, you now have to argue not with WUWT but with GREENPEACE. If WUWT is wrong then so is Greenpeace.
Try and get your head around this simple issue. They attempted to re-write history, thus the reason for this issue, and your own terrible confusion about seeing facts as they are.
Here is Nicks blog page where he argues that even when he’s wrong, he is right.
http://moyhu.blogspot.com/2014/08/founding-greenpeace-ive-been-arguing-at.html
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I received a direct and quick response from Nick Stokes at the thread on his blog about WUWT’s “Moore tour needs some backing” thread.
Sufficiently answered.
John
For all those who have commented on the $100,000 cost of the tour.
PM will be in Australia for 3 weeks, travelling between Brisbane, Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne and Perth.
In addition to International airfares, domestic airfares, accommodation, ground transport, sustainable, the tour is based around PM meeting groups of politicians, business leaders and journalists in small groups including casually during meals. While this method will add to the cost of the tour (hiring meeting rooms, cost of meals for invited guests) we believe that it will provide the best setting for PM to convince Australian leaders of the insanity of supporting unscientific Green activism, in particular, policies designed to support the failed CAGW hypothesis.
Australia is already leading the way is dismantling mad Green policies, this trip will help our country push back even further and in turn give other countries the confidence to stop the corruption of science and support of failed AGW policies.
Thank you
Paul Evans
The Galileo Movement
The Hon.Barnaby Joyce, MP, Minister of Agriculture, will be looking at your site, to get info about Dr Moore’s visit to Australia. Come on Aussies, cum on! Write to your federal and state MP’s encouraging them to bite the bullet.
And if I can remember, after the Inconvenient truth won the Nobel Prize and Academy Award, there was another issued, The biggest scam or something like that and Dr Moore was in it. It’s on YouTube.
“Old Nick” stokes the fires yet again! The inanity, let alone the intellectual dishonest, is breathtaking.