One of the favorite smears from Dr. Stephan Lewandowsky used to try to diminish the arguments of climate skeptics is to create dodgy psuedo-scientific psychological studies with a bent on trying to prove that skeptics are conspiracy theorists. Except for the extremely gullible, such bleatings don’t appear to have any traction. But he does keep trying.
Meanwhile, right in front of his nose, there is a regular parade of conspiracy theory linkages happening daily. For example, get a load of this latest claim from Dr. Michael Mann:
You just have to laugh at the idea that the Koch brothers are paying people to write the sort of comments (27) as of this writing that appear on the Phys.org article: http://phys.org/news/2013-10-people-dont-high-climate.html
I dunno, how does one “smell” Koch in those comments? Is it anything like trained animals that can spot certain scents?
Practically every day now Dr. Mann imagines some Koch brothers connection to people who have honest disagreements about climate. Recall these recent ventures into conspiracy theory land:
Which I answer here: The other divergence problem – climate communications
It’s part of Mann’s recurring theme:Mann overboard! Pot, kettle, conspiracy edition
The reality is, Koch even contributes to Dr. Mann’s University: Oh the pain! #Kochmachine is in many American universities, including Penn State
IMHO, I think Dr. Mann needs to seek professional help for this affliction where he sees the Koch Brothers climate influence under every virtual rock and tree on the Internet. If nothing else, this affliction would make a good clinical case study for some psychologist.
Now watch, someone will alert Dr. Mann to this writing, and he’ll tweet something about it with some added smear, or retweet something from one of his followers along the same lines. It’s as sure as the sun rises in the morning, I don’t even need a computer model.
I like to refer to him as Michael “Piltdown” Mann.
After ” this piece sure smells like #Koch” comment is there anyone who still thinks his Cooch comment was an accident?
Make my day, Mr. watts. Sue Mann for libel.
After all I now think from his tweet that you have been in the pay of the Koch brothers all along.
I’ll never trust you again.
(Sarc)
Like an animal trapped in the CAGW cage, Mann is lashing out at anything that comes near. But the iceberg is fast approaching and he will crash into it & sink into obscurity.
The left is trying to marginalize the Koch Bros the same way they are trying to marginalize conservatives.
Worse still, the intellectually-challenged Mann doesn’t know it’s pronounced like “Coke”. “Hmm, smells like Coke to me…”. Idiot. I can only suspect he was bullied relentlessly whilst at school.
“On the blogs, the fight was particularly fierce. Fox PR staffers were expected to counter not just negative and even neutral blog postings but the anti-Fox comments beneath them. One former staffer recalled using twenty different aliases to post pro-Fox rants. Another had one hundred. Several employees had to acquire a cell phone thumb drive to provide a wireless broadband connection that could not be traced back to a Fox News or News Corp account. Another used an AOL dial-up connection, even in the age of widespread broadband access, on the rationale it would be harder to pinpoint its origins. Old laptops were distributed for these cyber operations. Even blogs with minor followings were reviewed to ensure no claim went unchecked. ”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/10/21/muroch_s_world_npr_reporter_s_book_claims_fox_news_waged_pr_war_with_anonymous.html
Surely Michael “Meltdown” Mann is a better choice?
I’m sure mann smells something. But I’m fairly certain it is a Crock of something, and that it gets stirred with a hockey stick.
Yeah, feel free to [snip] that one….
Why doesn’t Lewandowsky study this? Because that would embarrass the wrong side. There’s a narrative to maintain, dontcha know…
Wow! Now if Mann can point out where I should submit my comments for a salary I’m on board. I will increase my output immediate – hey Mike how much would I make per comment?
In his latest email frenzy, he referred to a fellow scientist as a “denier,” as having “come out of the [denier] closet, and as not communicating in good faith. That is quite a string for one day. I think he is capable of much more. What an entertainer! What a climate rock star!
Theo ~ you meant ‘crock star.’
@ D.J. Hawkins says:
“Surely Michael “Meltdown” Mann is a better choice?”
Michael “Ringer” Mann…
With all these paranoid falsehoods on the record, I think Mark Steyn’s and the National Review’s lawyers will have a field day cross-examining Mann, if the suit gets that far.
Anthony, what I find really remarkable is that anyone. Michael Mann included, would link a “HotWhopper” blog post as a supposed reputable source for any subject. Like Michael Mann, blogger “Sou” has always been a few tree rings short of a hockey stick.
Because it is not a phenomenon it is a known norm.
Do try to remember to send him a ‘Koch Bros’ xmas card this year.
The Mann os increasingly unhinged.Inhave asked my brother, a PSU alliums in good standing, to lodge a formal University complaint.
Also, Anthony, I can now report that my request for funding from the Koch brothers has now been a sticky post at my blog for over a week…
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/10/15/open-letter-to-the-koch-brothers/
…and still no funding from the Koch brothers.
A gazillion-dollar donation sure would come in handy.
What do the Koch brothers smell like?
In reply to Mark R,
“Media Matters for America
mediamatters.org/ – Cached – Similar
1 day ago … A non-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to
comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative …”
Nice one, you post a link to a Soro’s run operation with supposed accusations from four unnamed sources. I’d say your source of information (Media Matters) is quite tainted in itself.
Just put a post on Mikey’s Facebook page daring him to take you on in a public debate to put all us ridiculous denialists in our place. Think he’ll take the bait?
Speaking of Cook & Lewandowsky.
You all might be interested in the itinerary of the science program at the upcoming AGU Annual Fall Meeting in San Francisco from Dec 9 thru Dec 13. It features:
– Cook & Lewandowsky are teamed up together to give multiple appearances each of two days during the 5 day AGU meeting. They were invited by the AGU leadership to give these talks.
– Cook & Nuccitelli are teamed up together to give multiple appearance each of two days during the 5 day AGU meeting. They were invited by the AGU leadership to give these talks.
– Cook & Mandia are teamed up together to give one appearance. They were invited by the AGU leadership to give the talk.
I appears anyone from the public can view, at the AGU website, the itinerary of presenters of the AGU meeting’s scientific program. Go peek at it and observe the representation of ‘IPCC centric consensus science’ vs independent skeptical science.
Last year’s AGU, which I attended, had several Cook talks, similar to the above. But this year they have ~doubled in number.
The AGU has sponsored, apparently, a Cook fest by invitation.
I shall attend the AGU meeting again this year.
John
Somebody could make a million bucks with an instant cure for apostrophe disease.
One of the aspects of genuine conspiracy theorists is that they have a strong bias in supporting data that supports their beliefs and failing to consider alternative hypotheses. Indeed, the barmiest conspiracy theorists find plenty of reasons to reject anything that a suspected opponent might say. Michael Mann’s conspiracist allegations are very much in line with his cherry-picking of climate proxies and statistical methods in his hockey-stick graphs.
The opposite of a conspiracy theorist, is someone who genuinely compares and contrasts various ideas and conflicting data.
I was reading a Donella Meadows book from 1982 this morning on the first decade of modelling and she kept saying over and over again that it was modelling of social systems to affect future behavior. Not to actually reflect reality.
I think Lewandowsky keeps mentioning conspiracies to avoid the admitted long term massive coordinated effort to use models like the IPCC to change policies and prevailing beliefs about how the world works. Ironic when you consider how many confessions and declarations of the “need to change human behavior” there are in print once you know where to look.
Conspiracy? What conspiracy?
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/
Koch supporting universities? Sort of, to me “smells like” breeding/supporting individuals with similar world views as Koch.
“Through research, training programs and professional education, Charles Koch Institute works to connect students and professionals to opportunities to advance economic freedom.
Professional Education Programs
The institute’s professional education programs connect professionals and students with the knowledge and training they need to successfully advance economic freedom through their careers. Program participants engage in weekly educational sessions alongside internships and jobs at non-profit organizations. These sessions include discussions and lectures as well as workshops focused on Market-Based Management®, economics and other topics.”
http://www.kochfamilyfoundations.org/FoundationsCKI.asp
So, a whiff of plain anti-regulation ideology. Evidence of Koch paying Mann nowhere in sight.
Smells like Koch does it Michael? That’s rich coming from someone once described as “the Jerry Sandusky of Climate Change”!
Reposted my 3:37 comment (mod can delete original?)
Mark R
Yep…we are all just figments of Anthony’s imagination. Quite a bit of backstory building with some of us…
Hey, lay off Mike, we’re on your side just trying to save this lovely planet like all other fellow lovers of things green, greenbacks are our special love and we have plenty to invest in the climate change business,so long as there is more money in it for us,.
Never mind. He deleted my post. Anybody less surprised than I am?
David in Cal says:
October 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm
“With all these paranoid falsehoods on the record, I think Mark Steyn’s and the National Review’s lawyers will have a field day cross-examining Mann, if the suit gets that far.”
Sort of like this.
Perhaps Mann thinks that his claims of Koch backing will attract the interest of the IRS who would then attempt to “find” evidence of the millions of $$ that Anthony has hidden away in various off shore accounts.
@Alcheson
No, the source is the book “Murdoch’s World: The Last of the Old Media Empires” by David Folkenflik, MM quoted from it. Saying you don’t like MM does not refute the claim.
No, no, folk: Michael Mann’s place in history is secure, along with that of James Hanson. They will be immortalized, just like the frauds Lysenko and Paul Kammerer (and his mid-wife toad).
They will live in infamy, forever. ….Lady in Red
“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an
investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his
thus far unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.”
Michael Mann
I looked at the numbers underlying these claims, at least the ones reported by Greenpeace. I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the Greenpeace numbers, but just taking them at face value, here are two links that has Greenpeace’s numbers:
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/the-manhattan-institute/
and
http://greenpeaceblogs.org/2012/04/02/koch-brothers-exposed-fueling-climate-denial-and-privatizing-democracy/
In the second link, GreenP states:
“The top recipients of Koch money in the Climate Denial Machine include Americans for Prosperity ($5.7 million since 1997), the Heritage Foundation ($2.7 million), the Cato Institute ($1.2 million), and the Manhattan Institute ($1.2 million).”
At the first link they list the yearly amounts per organization. First notice that these numbers (e.g. 61.48 $M) are spread over almost 30 years. That makes the $61 M work out to about $2M per year total. For example the Manhattan Institute numbers have been running about $200K (note the K) per year for the past few years. The Manhattan Institute has about 5 centers, only one of which is involved in energy research. So that means maybe a few K might go to energy research. The others are ridiculously small. For example, the Environmental Literacy group got 4 grants over the 30 years, each of which was $50K. Most of the other organizations are either broad policy oriented or focus on entirely different issues, such as medical, media, or general politics, like the Americans for Prosperity, which lists 8 policy areas of research: budget and spending, health care and entitlements, taxes, labor/education/pensions, banking/financial services, technology, and energy and environment. Only the last of the eight is focused somewhat on climate.
So over 30 years, around $2M per year spread over largely general policy institutes. These grants are each about enough to fund one graduate student or researcher for a year or so, and the bulk of them have nothing to do with climate, instead focused on general conservative issues. So what the objectors to the Koch tiny investments in these institutes are actually objecting to is not climate but conservative political activities. It looks like at most about 10% of the funds might actually go to climate research, which works out to a grand and glorious $200K per year. This should be compared to the $2.6B U.S. Global Change Research Program, which is focused entirely on “official” climate change research and persuasion. I don’t know what the IPCC budget is, but it must be a lot to fly all those folks around the world to cushy hotels and great restaurants. I did not look at the budgets of Greenpeace or the plethora of other alarmist groups, largely because I don’t want to get involved in that kind of thinking. It is as petty as the claims of the alarmiss against the “evil Koch denial empire..” So in summary the Koch brothers put in about $200K compared to $2.6+++ billions for the warming scare crowd. These people have no shame.
Other information on Koch foundation grants and charitable contributions is available at its web sites and in its statements. The vast majority of the grants go directly to medical research, religious institutions (particularly catholic), universities, etc.
By repeatedly going after the Kochs, perhaps the alarmists are actually tipping their hand, namely that they are not really about climate change or science or truth at all, instead being truly focused on a more general liberal agenda toward increased taxation, government control, etc etc. Thats all well and good, that is a whole other conversation to have and should have nothing to do with climate science. They should just stop pretending that it is about science.
Mark R,
Not to acknowledge you any more and let you hijack the thread, but the book is hardly credible, and can be nicely contrasted with the WH today finally firing an Obama aide who was outed long ago as a sock puppet actively trashing all sorts of people who dared to not agree with Obama.
This truly unhinged obsession with the Kochs is getting scary. It would be scary for them to be seeing their names abused in this way. It is scary for the rest of us to see people demonized this way. It is dangerous – this is how violent regimes of the past have been able to justify their violence, with demonization. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/no-reason-just-hate-thats-a-modern-liberal.php
Can we just stop discussing Mann? Is there anything productive or positive to be gained from tracking his ridiculous tweets and comments and fulfilling his attention-seeking? He’s had his 15 minutes. No more unless there’s actual science to discuss. For that matter, add Gore and Lewandowsky to this scrap pile. Do I hear a second?
Sisi says:
“Evidence of Koch paying Mann nowhere in sight.”
Maybe that’s why Mann is being such an ass.
Athlete says:
October 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm
“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an
investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his
thus far unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.”
Michael Mann
*
Is this the same as paying someone to make stuff up?
Mark R says:
October 23, 2013 at 4:44 pm
“@Alcheson
No, the source is the book “Murdoch’s World: The Last of the Old Media Empires” by David Folkenflik, MM quoted from it. Saying you don’t like MM does not refute the claim.”
So now we know what the esteemed Theoretical Climatologist Michael Mann reads on his free time. Exhibit A for Lewandowski’s new study.
@dbstealey
Is that your way of thinking? Mann being a rejected lover or so? Ha!
“…smells like coke to me…”
Penn State needs to randomly drug test Mikey.
Sisi,
This should make your day. It made my day! ☺
@dbstealey
No exciment here…
When you have no defense, blame the VRWC – see how well it worked for Hillary?
Is it just my imagination or is the lack of global warming causing Michael Mann to become more “extreme”?
It appears that not only at Jones’ UEA & Lewandowsky’s UWA but the entire constabulary of Great Britain engage in wholesale data laundering.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/blowing-the-whistle-the-inside-story-of-how-targets-make-policing-worse-8467815.html
On the upshot, the best evidence for their hypothesis is: Because, Koch.
That or it’s a witch-hunt for the heretics and apostates. Which is totally not religious dogma. Because, Koch.
Take your pick.
Lady in Red says: “…Michael Mann’s place in history is secure, along with that of James Hanson. They will be immortalized, just like the frauds Lysenko and Paul Kammerer (and his mid-wife toad). They will live in infamy, forever.”
If you want some real humor, watch as Wankerpedia, the inexhaustible font of all things left, white-washes Kammerer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kammerer
wherein the falsification of Kammerer’s work was all a Nazi plot:
“Koestler surmised that Kammerer’s experiments on the midwife toad may have been tampered with by a Nazi sympathizer at the University of Vienna. Certainly, as Koestler writes, “the Hakenkreuzler, the swastika-wearers, as the Austrian Nazis of the early days were called, were growing in power. One center of ferment was the University of Vienna[5] where, on the traditional Saturday morning student parades, bloody battles were fought. Kammerer was known by his public lectures and newspaper articles as an ardent pacifist and Socialist; it was also known that he was going to build an institute in Soviet Russia. “An act of sabotage in the laboratory would have been…in keeping with the climate of those days.””
Misanthropist Mann appears to have gullibly read agenda driven journalism rather reality. Koch Industries believes
e.g., see
Environmental Excellence
MinB says:
October 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Can we just stop discussing Mann? Is there anything productive or positive to be gained from tracking his ridiculous tweets and comments and fulfilling his attention-seeking? He’s had his 15 minutes. No more unless there’s actual science to discuss. For that matter, add Gore and Lewandowsky to this scrap pile. Do I hear a second?
Second.
I’ve already wasted too much time on these ‘zeros’ that I’ll never get back.
Well, at least he doesn’t call them the “KoochBrothers”.
Paranoid schizophrenia
By Mayo Clinic janitorial staff
Signs and symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia may include:
Delusions, such as believing CO2 will poison you
Self-important or condescending manner
Key symptoms
Delusions and hallucinations are the symptoms that make paranoid schizophrenia most distinct from other types of schizophrenia.
In paranoid schizophrenia, a common delusion is that you’re being singled out for harm. For instance, you may believe that Big Oil is monitoring every move you make or that Watts is eating your lunch. You may also have delusions of grandeur — the belief that you can forecast climate, that you’re famous or that anyone could care less. You hold on to these false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary. Delusions can result in aggression or name calling if you believe you must act in self-defense against those who want to laugh at you.
fred berple: There is quite a lot of similarity between the hysteria about smoke stacks and bonafide Paranoid Schizophrenia. Reminds quite a bit of John Nash. And his statements about learning to deal with Schizophrenia:
” Then gradually I began to intellectually reject some of the delusionally influenced lines of thinking which had been characteristic of my orientation. This began, most recognizably, with the rejection of politically oriented thinking as essentially a hopeless waste of intellectual effort. So at the present time I seem to be thinking rationally again in the style that is characteristic of scientists.”
@ Sisi
Thank you! You truly made my day! 🙂
“‘Charles Koch Institute works to connect students and professionals to opportunities to advance economic freedom… These sessions include discussions and lectures as well as workshops focused on Market-Based Management®, economics and other topics.’
So, a whiff of plain anti-regulation ideology.”
I have always been frustrated by the left slant of most universities, but your little hat-tip totally put a smile on my face! There is a reason to hope!
*hugz* lolz and like totes namaste!
I’m with Kon Dealer – Anthony, sue the bastard. You’ve got piles of evidence against him – the lawyers should be salivating.
That may have been what triggered Glieck, a couple of months later, to go phishing at Heartland.
In a previous comment, some time back (which I guess is redundant since ‘some time back’ would have to be a previous comment) I wrote that I really rather like the Halloween holiday. It’s the second most popular holiday of the year and it’s actually an unofficial holiday. And think of all the wonderful decorations and representations: mice, rats, ravens, black crows and black cats, bugs, maggots, spiders, hanging bats, specters, ghouls, goblins, skeletons, grim reapers, vampires, monsters, and now we’ve got a new one . . . Lewandowsky.
‘IMHO, I think Dr. Mann needs to seek professional help for this affliction where he sees the Koch Brothers climate influence under every virtual rock and tree on the Internet.’
If Dr. Mann has to go on an ObamaCare (let’s see how long it takes before they try to change that name) website to find coverage to pay for that professional help, well, I think he’s going to be (insert foul word beginning in ‘s’) outta luck. And, especially since, who knows, thanks to ‘O’care he might’ve been reduced to part time employment status.
So it looks like the world will be stuck with a faux Nobel Prize winning, United Nations contributing, Doctoral research professoring, mob action wannabe. And that’s really what the Koch directed ire really is, isn’t it: A blind, fury driven lynch mob directed from the highest political levels. How modern and enlightened. You really are a little Mann aren’t you?
In the movie “Pretty Women” Vivian tells Edward something to the effect that he only tears things down, he doesn’t build anything. Look at the list below (name and year of birth):
Paul Ehrlich 1932
David Suzuki 1936
James Hansen 1941
Al Gore 1948
Phil Jones 1952
Michael Mann 1965
A couple of these have obtained lots of money (questionable circumstances for some?) while attaining the status of major hypocrites and being almost always wrong.
Each of these has had plenty of time to build something.
Then there are the Koch brothers:
Charles Koch 1935
David Koch 1940
They have built the U.S.A.’s second-largest privately held company and via family foundations have given away millions of dollars to charity, cancer research, arts, and science.
The time on Earth for these folks will soon pass. The Kochs have built and will be remembered for having done so. The others will be footnotes.
Gunga Din says:
October 23, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Well, at least he doesn’t call them the “KoochBrothers”.
Yet…
My Salon twitter feed has been basting on the Tea Party as having been created back in the days of Nixon and Watergate. So I keep trying to tell them that they are quite mistaken because the Tea Party wrote the U.S. Constitution.
Smells like a cock-up* to me.
*Mild Brit colloquialism for screw up.
I hadn’t heard of the Koch Brothers but a few years ago when they became the Betes Noire of the Guardian environment pages. It was repeated incessantly that any money from these guys was tainted. They are corruptors, apparently.
This has led to a strange side effect – charitable giving has become shameful.
Recenly, I have begun to wonder if that is the real point. Charitable giivng is the only competition for a welfare state. Historically, private charity it was a compliment to a welfare state but they could be in conflict.
I’ve noticed denigration of religious charities as well because of “suspect motives”.
David in Cal says:
“With all these paranoid falsehoods on the record, I think Mark Steyn’s and the National Review’s lawyers will have a field day cross-examining Mann, if the suit gets that far.”
One would think that Mann’s lawyers would be telling him to shut his trap… but then again, they are lawyers (aka bloodsucking bottom feeders) and maybe they are looking for a bigger payday in defending Mann in a countersuit later on… working both ends against the middle.
Like water on a rock, it eventually wears the rock away.
The now constant gales of laughter and the increasing derision that is an increasingly obvious response to Mann’s supposedly serious pronouncements [ does he know of any other such form of pronouncement ? ] on the state of the climate, comments on the skeptic’s response to his science [ what science.? well maybe chicken entrails science ! ] comments on others who disagree with him or just don’t agree at all or for whom he just dislikes and / or hates with a passion plus increasing derision for his comments which are driven by an outsize ego that knows no bounds, are most assuredly wearing away Mann’s excessive hubris and his immense and pathologically inflated ego.
Such personality orders / dis-orders when they possibly collapse might well lead to a level of insanity for Mann,[ I’m actually half serious here! ]
Thats if any experts in mental states Lewendowsky might fit the bill here, will be able to pick the difference between Mann’s normal mental state and the onset of insanity..
Mann sniffs Koch.
F.A.H.,
Even if we assume every dime of the Koch money goes directly to fighting the “consensus”, it still pales in comparison to the money on the other side. From a Reuters article earlier in the week, money being spent on fighting climate change totals $359B/year, and they’re complaining that it’s down $5B from last year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/22/climate-investment-idUSL5N0IB32X20131022
Now not all money is directly fighting AGW. Money poured into renewable energy concepts may be useful independent of the validity of CO2 causing runaway warming, but it’s clearly being promoted because of the fear of CO2-induced runaway warming.
For those that constantly pound the “fossil-fuel-lobby” meme, they conveniently ignore just how much money is on their side.
I realize that the Manns of this world believe the rich roll around in piles of money like Scrooge McDuck, but why on earth would they need to spend any money to muddy the climate waters when folks like Mann do the job for them voluntarily?
Why doesn’t Lewandowsky study this phenomenon?
=======================================
Because he has his head stuck up his arse, and can’t see it…
Exxon Mobil has also donated money to Michael Mann’s Penn State University back in 2011 and 2012 funded. Exxon also donated to Pennsylvania Colleges and Universities.
A confession: I receive $10 from the Koch brothers for every comment I post here and on other climate blogs. For every 100 comments, I receive a lifetime supply of TurtleWax©. For every 1000 comments, I receive an all-expenses paid trip to Branson, Missouri. And if I can manage to leave 100,000 comments, the Koch brothers told me they will personally come to my house to mow my lawn and cook me dinner.
Not sure how Mike knew this, but I think the jig’s up. I’ll give Chuck and Davey a call to let them know — they’re going to be so disappointed.
“Is Antony Watts the best front man the Koch brothers can buy?”
Okay I’m sure Mr Watts is anxiously awaiting his first check from the Koch Bros but to be honest if they were to “buy” someone (it’s actually called hiring Mikey) they could do a lot worse. Given what Antony and his band of merry men have accomplished on a shoestring I’d hire the lot at the drop of a hat if I could.
“Now watch, someone will alert Dr. Mann to this writing, and he’ll tweet something about it with some added smear, or retweet something from one of his followers along the same lines. It’s as sure as the sun rises in the morning, I don’t even need a computer model.”
Hahahaha
Mr Watts, you are evil. Can’t we just all see Mann now. He desperately doesn’t want to mention this thread, so as to prove you wrong. Yet he wants to crow that you are wrong, yet if he does then you are right. Oh, the agonies of being The Mann.
Like St Gore and others Mann is great , can you image how much harder AGW sceptics would have to work if ‘the causes ‘ prophets came across as reasonable , claim and intelligent people rather than half-mad , ranting nutters as ready to throw an insult as to say hello.
Keep up the good work Mann.
“What do the Koch brothers smell like?”
To you and I, they would smell of Old Spice.
But to the *WITCHSMELLER PURSUIVANT* they would smell like …uh …
uh…. BEELZEBUBBLES!
He’ll probably sue the Kochs for personal injury if we manage to launch the rumor that they are using a penis shrink ray on their critics.
“”””””……ROM says:
October 24, 2013 at 4:24 am
Like water on a rock, it eventually wears the rock away…….””””””
Well as we now know, it is lightning that wears away rocks; not water !