From the GWPF and Dr. Benny Peiser
Tim Yeo: We Are All Climate Sceptics Now
Humans May Not Be Responsible For Global Warming Says Committee Chairman
Humans may not be responsible for global warming, the MP who oversees government policy on climate change has said. Tim Yeo, the chairman of the Commons Energy and Climate Change committee, said he accepts the earth’s temperature is increasing but said “natural phases” may be to blame. He said: “Although I think the evidence that the climate is changing is now overwhelming, the causes are not absolutely clear. There could be natural causes, natural phases that are taking place.” Mr Yeo has previously spoken with great certainty about the science of climate change. He said in 2009: “The dying gasps of the deniers will be put to bed. In five years time, no one will argue about a man-made contribution to climate change.” –Matthew Holehouse, The Daily Telegraph, 29 May 2013
As part of Germany’s switch to renewables, industry has been exempt from paying higher prices associated with solar and wind energy. The European Commission, however, believes the practice distorts competition on the Continent. Huge penalties could be in store. Energy-intensive industry, which plays an important role in the German industrial landscape, threatens to be “driven out of the country.” The controversial law, with its billions in subsidies for green electricity, could hardly survive in its current form. —Spiegel Online, 29 May 2013
We can be sure that whatever proposals China makes will be all about the best possible economic growth path for China. Reducing global CO2 emissions is not a goal of the Chinese government. Fans of global carbon treaty fans are desperate for good news, having watched their pet issue move from the front pages at the time of the Copenhagen summit to the obscure back pages of the specialist journals. (How many people followed the recently concluded Bonn edition of the global climate talks?). This news out of China will be used to try to pump up the publicity machine, but a serious CO2 treaty remains a no-hoper. –Walter Russell Mead, Via Meadia, 28 May 2013
The $77 billion solar industry is facing a quality crisis just as solar panels are on the verge of widespread adoption. A review of 30,000 installations in Europe by the German solar monitoring firm Meteocontrol found 80 percent were underperforming. –Todd Woody, The New York Times, 29 May 2013
The number of households insulating their homes has dramatically fallen this year, threatening to torpedo the Government’s energy efficiency drive and push utility bills even higher. According to industry figures obtained by The Times, cavity wall insulation was fitted in 1,138 homes last month, compared with almost 40,000 in April last year. The slump underlines the lack of consumer interest in the Government’s Green Deal programme, which ministers have billed as the biggest home improvement programme since the Second World War. –Tim Webb, The Times, 29 May 2013
The UK and Germany are among four EU member states whose emissions from fossil fuel combustion are expected to have risen over 2012, despite the bloc seeing an average drop in CO2 output. New estimates from EU statistics agency Eurostat suggest UK CO2 emissions last year climbed by 3.9 per cent compared to 2011, while Germany saw a 0.9 per cent increase. The UK and Germany are also listed as having the highest absolute emissions from energy use in the EU, with the UK responsible for 472 million tons of CO2 over 2012, up by 17.7mt from 2011, and Germany 728mt. –Will Nichols, Business Green, 29 May 2013
¡Ojalá!
“In five years time, no one will argue about a man-made contribution to climate change.”
The irony of it.
Apparently Tim Yeo is angry that his words have been ‘taken out of context’. Hardly surprising, since he derives a great deal of income from alarmism.
How can this be since the “science” is settled?
The news is currently on the front page of the UK’s Daily Telegraph website http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
The science is like the weather: sometimes it’s unsettled.
I asked Yeo in person how he could be trusted on the issues of climate and energy given that he receives regular money from the renewables industry. His response? –
“It will be a dark day in parliament indeed when outside financial interests are not allowed.”
” review of 30,000 installations in Europe by the German solar monitoring firm Meteocontrol found 80 percent were underperforming.”
Perhaps it was that the expectations where simply out of wack with reality. Of course blaming things on “under performing” gives a pass to those who over projected, as in “but the models told us…….”
LOL 😀
OK, I’ve been over this post a couple of times and the Orwellianisms within Orwellianisms which this MP/chairman doth speak truly have my head in a whirl. It’s really weasel worded stuff – just what one would expect from any politician in the face of a changing public opinion (in this case caused by the readily available evidence of a non-cooperating climate, oh the flaming irony).
B***ards. I want my money back.
I am so very angry. For being patronised, for being called a “denier”, for them debasing and stealing the good name of science, for hundreds of billion wasted on fraudulent idea, for all those dead from cold and hunger.
Democratic institutions have failed badly, and if it was not for the internet, we’d have another XX century style grotesque lie taking hold around the world, and not being cleared until it caused mass death and destruction. Am I exaggerating? I don’t think so, just think of the recent XX century history and you will get the idea. We think of ourselves as “civilised” and having learned the lessons, but we don’t stop at causing misery, death and destruction for the “higher purpose” of “saving the world”. Has ANYTHING changed, I ask myself?
Some politician changing his mind is not scientifically interesting, but I suppose it could be of practical importance.
It’s at least good that he’s open to the possibility; if only scientists were so scientific!
Alberto says:
May 29, 2013 at 12:27 pm
The science is like the weather: sometimes it’s unsettled.
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That’s a great one-liner. Did you make it up? It reminds me of those Yoki Bera quotations I’ve read.
Mr Yeo still has a ways to go before he is on even keel. He says that “the evidence of climate change is overwhelming”. Someone needs to call his attention to the temperature trends of this century.
Kitefreak, I don’t read it that way. He, like a lot of people, was more certain before.
Now he, like a lot of people, is less certain. But he’s still not convinced catastrophic AGW is false. Heck, I’m not convinced it’s false — I just think it’s very unlikely based on the available data.
I think CO2-induced warming is a real, but relatively minor and somewhat self-limiting, factor and is dwarfed by natural climate-change drivers.
He’s my MP. Much disliked, distrusted; but as they say “You could put a blue rosette on a sheep round here, and they’d vote it in”. The man is beyond parody
The evidence for climate change is overwhelming. As I wrote to Dana Nuccitelli a few minutes ago:
He was expressing a reasoned, skeptical position per Richard Feynman’s philosophy that all scientific conclusions are estimates of probability. I accept his contention that he finds catastrophic AGW a plausible hypothesis.
James Delingpole sticks the boot into Tim “The Trougher” Yeo
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100219218/trougher-yeo-recants-on-global-warming
Yeo and his money grubbing cronies should pay the price for their crimes against humanity.
Tez, I haven’t read Delingpole’s article yet, but the headline is misleading.
Saying that AGW is only a possibility for being the main driver for climate change, but that it’s the possibility you consider most likely
is not “recanting”.
I would love to see the actual output statistics for one of California’s solar farms for comparison with their claims when the facility was built. That data should be available to the public, especially since those farms represent a huge expenditure of taxpayer money..
I agree with Delingpole’s broad point:
This is not the only currently socially-taboo to have the minority opinion scientific discipline in which this will happen either.
“We can be sure that whatever proposals China makes will be all about the best possible economic growth path for China.”
It may be a little more complex than that. In order for communism itself to be vindicated, open western democracies and free markets must be strangled, and China must be portrayed as having the world’s most powerful economy. This trumping up of China’s economy is partly based on adjusting their extremely poor average income with purchasing power parity. And as this is done with the right hand, the left hand destroys the purchasing power of the people in western democracies by raising the costs of commodities and energy arbitrarily.
It is China that was behind Rio +20 Sustainability agreements, and China has also been signing agreements to destroy agricultural output in the US and in Europe by rationing water and forcing “organic” and “sustainable” agriculture. These 5 year plans have already been signed with the Dept of Ag and with the EU and China.
Even without global warming, commodities, water, and electrical power are being undermined by gigantic banks in commodities speculation and environmental activists, so that it can be said, “Look, open societies failed and resources ran out.”
I messed up the blockquote above. The first para. in blockquote was Delingpole; the second para., I.
[Done. Mod]
I think Yeo’s comments are the first step in Britain’s Conservative Party trying to distance themselves from the country’s disastrous energy policies and blame it all on the Liberal Democrats.
The latter have an official policy of supporting anything green and goofy and currently control the Ministry of Energy and Climate Change.
Climate change is natural and normal; something self-evident to anyone not a bolt-in -the-side-of-the-neck greenie.
Don’t make it too tough for these guys to change their minds. This is a huge admission, particularly because he does have renewables business interests. It certainly is more courageous than than that of the skulks under siege in the once shining institutions of science who are reduced to shouting louder and louder as a scientific response. Don’t expect the end to be pretty
What a complete misrepresentation of his statement, lol. Your title(here and elsewhere) makes it look like Yeo said that everyone is skeptical of climate science. He did not say that, or even something like it. Why not include his last quote from the article?
Yeo is probably angling for some ‘Conventional Power’ directorships, to balance his ‘Renewables Power’ directorships.
[For our American & other foreign readers, Tim Yeo is paid £65,000 pa to be a Member of Parliament, but over the past two years, three green-energy companies have paid him an additional £245,691. The fact that he happens to be Chairman of the Energy and Climate Change Select Committee is of course purely coincidental.]
Yes, but it could still be both.
My take.
“The dying gasps of the deniers will be put to bed. In five years time, no one will argue about a man-made contribution to climate change.”
Looks like Mr Yeo may have been right, although for the wrong reasons 😉 …
Dollis:Show me some evidence of climate change- real evidence, not the wet-my-britches kind of talk about droughts, tornados, etc. that alarmists screech about.
An intentional fraud of this magnitude is undeserving of a quiet death….
CELEBRATE V-AGW DAY ! ! !
Deliver all carbon credit and climatology material to the nearest coal fired generating plant for bio-mass thermal recovery. “Zeke” above is correct. In 1932, with the election of both FDR & Hitler, US capitol chose to invest over $100 million in creating the ‘nazi miracle’, ATT owned Fokker aircraft, Ford built Panzer engines, GM owned Opal and it’s war material manufacturing. WW II was stage set for a decade. With the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, democracy threatened to become universal. Only a Neville Chamberlain moment by the Big Bush, was able to crush the Chinese democracy movement. A rapid influx of YOUR 401K capital converted the starving ‘Iron Rice Bowl” into a worth opponent, turned ‘unbeatable’ world leader. This nefarious plan by the monarch-monopolists depended on a crushing Carbon tax. Unfortunately for the demonic elitists, not all of science rolled over on command….and Nature was unaffected by false math models.
Demand a Modern Magna Carta….leg irons and eternal solitary confinement for the Truth traitors.
In the online poll 53 percent are saying global warming is ‘completely natural’.
I was going to write my true opinion of Timothy Yeo but, as this is widely read blog, I decided not to sully its pages with my vituperation.
The man is evil.
You’re missing my point. Perhaps these will clarify; recent tweets from yours truly:
Nuccitelli has replied several times, but his position is well-summed up by his last reply (to my second to last tweet above).
So, for the record, Dana Nuccitelli’s position is that the highly alarming models are correct. He also says it is untrue that climate sensitivity estimates have to be adjusted downwards:
Is this position (1) scientifically tenable? I don’t think so. We’ll find out.
(But mpainter, there is copious evidence that the climate changes: forgetting all of the longer-term, more technical stuff, just look at humanity’s historical records for the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age. But really, you can go back hundreds of millions of years at least and see much evidence for both huge and smaller shifts in climate — such as the last major ice age, but there were many colder times than that, and hotter times than now.)
† He keeps on throwing out red herrings like this, as if that had anything to do with my point; but actually, he’s wrong even there. Some of the scientists who feel they were miscategorised believe there is warming caused by mankind, just less than popularly believed: i.e., less climate sensitivity to anthropegenic factors. Here is Nucitelli commenting on his recent article at The Guardian in defence of his paper:
and here’s one of the scientists who feel his paper was miscategorised:
Now I have to extrapolate to conclude that Dana is wrong here, that climate sensitivity is important to his paper. However that’s easy to do because clearly the percentage of warming caused by mankind vs. natural factors relates to climate sensitivity to mankind’s actions.
This is far from the only self-serving logical fallacy Nuccitelli has engaged in. The one I personally found funniest is how item 5 on his Guardian article talks about conspiracy theories, and how he opens the same article going on about some obscure oil company’s half million dollar funding of climate skepticism back in the day. I thought it was odd that he would open that article of all articles with a type of conspiracy theory
relying, perhaps astutely, on his Guardian audience to let him get away with special pleading on this front — despite his point 3 which was about “logical fallacies”.
At any case, three things:
1. The amount of money skeptics receive in funding pails into insignificance compared to the billions in funding and government propaganda, however well meaning, spent on the pro-catastrophic anthropocegenic climate-change/AGW side.
2. Who cares anyway? Science isn’t about funding, it’s about data. The data is showing climate sensitivity is less than Nuccitelli’s beliefs, which is exactly what the skeptics have been saying all along.
3. Right or wrong, Nuccitelli is on record. Let the facts prevail. Except, Doh! Popular Technology — the blog Nuccitelli tweeted me to say his Guardian article is in response to — is being censored in the comments under that article at The Guardian.
Perfect! We have an national election here in Sweden next year. The “green” parties (yes, two) will be in serious trouble …
The Daily Telegraph is still quoting the 12,000 papers and 97% support AGW meme, I notice. Still, at least Yeo seems to be looking for a bolthole – he knows the wind is turning, if I may put it like that.
Mark says:
May 29, 2013 at 1:37 pm
“The dying gasps of the deniers will be put to bed. In five years time, no one will argue about a man-made contribution to climate change.”
Looks like Mr Yeo may have been right, although for the wrong reasons 😉 …
My thoughts entirely. In another two years (five years from the quote) we will not be arguing about man-made contributions, because we will know that are negligible.
As a number of people have said, we should not make it too hard for people (especilally politicians) to change their minds. One of the problems of our current age of communication is that no statement is ever forgotten and – therefore – forgiven. We will not be able to just “throw the bastards out” because all of the political parties bought into this and we have no-one to replace them. Allowing them to back down gracefully, however hard that makes me grind my teeth, is the only way forward.
““It is possible there are natural causes as well, but my view has always been that – for twenty years – I have thought the scientific evidence has been very convincing. The strong probability is that it is man-made causes contributing to greenhouse gas concentrations.””
Follow the money.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2189492/It-wonder-Tim-Yeos-branded-Jolly-Green-Hypocrite.html
Has anyone considered the possibility that Yeo was speaking metaphorically? Of course not. He gave a reasoned answer to a question that is paraphrased in the Telegraph story. The audio clip could have included the question but they chose not to. It is a bit of a manufactured story I am afraid. Newspapers do it rather too often (and I am a long time Telegraph reader so please don’t accuse me of bias there). Yeo is a politician so some sort of equivocation was to be expected.
Tim Yeo featured in question #3
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/26/article-2331057-19FFB5AD000005DC-557_634x858.jpg
Where I live, the climate change every year between two periods called “summer” and “winter”, with transition periods in between called “spring” and “autumn” …
Yes, if you read my comments above, you’ll see I did. And I’m not the only one.
In August of 2012 it was reported that Tim Yeo
So it’s a surprise he’s saying this now.
More
metaphorically
paraphrased
equivocation
Anything but the truth, Margaret?
“Although I think the evidence that Tim Yeo is an idiot is now overwhelming, the causes are not absolutely clear. There could be natural causes that are taking place, or it could just be that he is a crook.”
When this massive scam is over people need to go to jail. They should start with Gore and work their way down through Hansen, Mann, Yeo, Pachauri et. el.
…forgot …
It was quite different just more then 10 000 years ago. Back then, we only had “winter” here …
I’ll believe that the meme is changing when the greenies acknowledge that wind, solar and geothermal are dirtier than fossil fuels. not before.
Rob Potter says:
May 29, 2013 at 2:40 pm
. We will not be able to just “throw the bastards out” because all of the political parties bought into this and we have no-one to replace them. Allowing them to back down gracefully, however hard that makes me grind my teeth, is the only way forward.
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In the UK there is a political party which has not bought into it. It’s doing rather well in the polls. (and in recent local elections)
“The number of households insulating their homes has dramatically fallen this year, threatening to torpedo the [U.K.] Government’s energy efficiency drive and push utility bills even higher. According to industry figures obtained by The Times, cavity wall insulation was fitted in 1,138 homes last month, compared with almost 40,000 in April last year. “
Unlike US houses, UK homes mostly have masonry walls, which have very little insulation value on their own. After 1920, solid masonry walls were replaced by cavity walls, two masonry walls (typically brick and concrete block) separated by a couple inches of air. Better, but still not great. The double walls are thick and make construction expensive compared to US. After 1995, though, new construction is must be insulated.
All the masonry means that the UK loses a lot of heat, and older homes are much less comfortable than they could be. Thus there are huge energy and money savings opportunities just by filling the older cavity walls with insulation.
The UK govt has cut way back on the grants that pay for insulating older houses, so there is less enthusiasm. The slow economy also makes it tougher for homeowners to come up with the money for retrofitting.
Chair of the climate change committee, the Rt. Honourable Tim Yeo MP has overseen the ruinous introduction of the CCA – all helped along by the idiocy of EU enforced emissions targets, Tim is supposed to be objective but has always has been a rabid supporter of the now crumbling CAGW consensus and we will not let you forget it Tim………..slime ball nonpareil.
Yeo is chairman of Univent plc, Chairman of TMO Renewables and non-executive chairman of Eco City Vehicles plc and AFC Energy plc.
Yeo and his wife Diane are sole directors of Locana Corporation (London) Ltd., Anacol Holdings Ltd. and General Securities Register Ltd.
Yeo is also a director of ITI Energy Ltd.
wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Yeo
So Tim Yeo, the Chameleon recants and [reptile brain counts his options] – he knew it all along!! Yes said Tim, the climate changes and it’s not going to be the end of days but it’s all………………………..get this – er ………….natural!
Have you been taking lessons in duplicity and sophistry recently, though you’re not very good are you Mr. Yeo?
Still there’s always £250 k p.a. to fall back on but how are your interests in the renewable industry gonna see it Tim?
Join the Fracking crews?
Are you now going to kick the climate change committee up the backside and RECOMMEND the long overdue rescinding of the Climate change Act – you haven’t the b8lls.
It’ll be a cold day in hell…….mind you here and now in Britain – because of slithery things like you Tim – we are already there.
Tim Yeo and the DECC …….
http://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/the-arrogantauts/
“He said: “Although I think the evidence that the climate is changing is now overwhelming,…………….”
God help us all. I nearly fell of the chair now that it is official, and here I was trying to work out why the weather yesterday was different to that of today./sarc
And don’t forget this guy, also up to eye balls in political graft.
The UK government is bent, the RED Tories are worse than the Socialists.
arthur4563 says:
May 29, 2013 at 1:14 pm
I would love to see the actual output statistics for one of California’s solar farms for comparison with their claims when the facility was built. That data should be available to the public, especially since those farms represent a huge expenditure of taxpayer money..
You can, all of them, and in near real-time.
California ISO; http://www.caiso.com/outlook/SystemStatus.html#Todays%20Outlook
mpainter says: May 29, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Mr Yeo still has a ways to go before he is on even keel. He says that “the evidence of climate change is overwhelming”. Someone needs to call his attention to the temperature trends of this century.
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Climate is constantly changinging, so I would hope that there is over whelming evidence that climate is changing.
As far as the UK is concerned, this century, CET shows that temperatures have fallen by about 0.5degC. More significantly, it shows that winter temperatures have fallen by almost 1.5degC. this is more than the temperature rise seen last century.
If it was not for some political drive towards a world order, one would approach climate change on a regional basis. The Uk Government should be aware of what si happening in the UK since they may need to prepare for harsh winters (the last few years the UK has been ill prepared for the heavy and persistent snow and cold), and for an increase in energy use (this year the UK was only 6hours away from running out of gas supplies because it was ill prepared for high levels of demand over such a lengthy period).
The cost of green energy is reallly going to hit the UK consumer far harder than is presently envisaged if the trend for colder winters continues. This should be of utmost concenrn to the UK Parliament>
Mr Yeo said: “It is possible there are natural causes as well, but my view has always been that – for twenty years – I have thought the scientific evidence has been very convincing. The strong probability is that it is man-made causes contributing to greenhouse gas concentrations.”
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Yes, Mr Yeo, there is a strong probability that man is causing “greenhouse gases” to increase…
….what does that have to do with global warming/climate change/irritable climate syndrome?
And here goes the Yoe-Yoe back the other ways.
http://www.timyeo.org.uk/news/climate-change-0
Truly does not understand the words coming out of his mouth.
What is perhaps even more interesting is the the result of the telegraph poll on causes of GW in the Tim Yeo article….you are right Anthony…we ARE all deniers.
@BruceC
Do we have available data as to the cost per kilowatt for such energy from various sources to compare?
Most opinions quite salient.
So, folks, how do you take it outside to MSM where it counts politically?
Note I am not proposing solutions, except in specific narrow past cases. But if you want to carry on, you will have to provide same. I have faith in crowd sourcing. Get creative.
Mike McMillan says:
May 29, 2013 at 3:54 pm
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Mike
In principle your comment is corrrect, but I would beg to differ with the detail.
For the main part, UK housing stock is old and damp and that is one reson why the UK has about the highest winter mortality rates amongst developed nations in Europe.
Only about 20% of UK housing can benefit from cavity wall insulation. That is because most houses built prior to WW2 are single brick construction (there may have been some houses in the 1920s built with cavity walls but these were rare) and therefore have no cavity to which cavity wall insulation can be applied. Houses build post 1980s are already well insulated and allthough cavity wall insulation can be fitted to those houses, the improvements in insulation are relatively slight.
The upshot is that there is only a narrow band of houses built between the late 1930s and early 1980s that really benefit from cavity wall insulation and that stock accounts for only about 20% of the entire housing stock. I think that the Government do not properly understand that when they talk about how energy bills can be brought down for the consumer.
Also this old housing is drafty. Indeed, old houses often have 4 or 5 open chimneys. It is part of the design. A lot of heat is lost in this manner. Some people close in these chimneys, but that leads to damp problems. In old houses, there should be air bricks which allows air under the floors (which stops damp rising) and inrooms where there are no chimneys air bricks should be fitted. Often one finds that when double glazing is fitted, damp problems arise and can only be solved by fitting larger air bricks which allows the heat to escape. Some double glazing has an open air slot built into the surround to help deal with the damp problem, so when these units are fitted, it is like having a very small window open 24 hours a day.
The Government lays out great stall in loft insulation. However, once again the extent of the effects of better insulation is exagerated. The reason for this is that even though many houses are not fitted with high grade loft insulation to required depth, many houses have some insulation, alternatively the loft space is full of junk. Most people hoard old rugs (even old carpets, or offcuts), clothes, books, magazines, boxes full of knick knacks etc in their lofts and this junk insulates. We all know of the addage about the homelsss sleeping under newspapers or in cardboard boxes to keep warm. So whilst many properties do not have the required level of loft insulation, the improvements that will be seen from better loft insulation is not all that it is hyped up to be.
The governmenet is ill informed about the characteristics of UK housing stock and this is leading them to erroneously believe that greater energy savings can be achieved by better insulation than is the case.
ps. Cavity wall insulation can lead to damp problems as many consumers are finding.
pps, of course, a lot of people live in flats which makes many improvements impractical
Gary Pearse says:
“Don’t make it too tough for these guys to change their minds.”
Evgueni Kretchetov says:
“B***ards. I want my money back. I am so very angry. For being patronised, for being called a “denier”, for them debasing and stealing the good name of science, for hundreds of billions wasted on fraudulent ideas, for all those dead from cold and hunger.”
I’ve got to agree with Evgueni. Somehow, these fraudulent, irresponsible, squanderers of incalculable amounts of tax money must be held accountable. As much as I despise Heidi Cullen’s call for deniers to lose their professional certifications, these fraudsters truly deserve punishment. They’ve committed real crimes against humanity, far worse than those committed by armed robbers given 20 year sentences. I’m in favor of early release of nonviolent offenders to make room for Yeo and the rest who knowingly committed fraud to line their pockets at taxpayers expense.
Whether it be existential or theoretical, there seems to be five stages of the dying process according to Kubler-Ross: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and finally, acceptance.
With the plethora of recent announcements by prominent politicians, bureaucrats and scientists expressing serious doubts to the efficacy of CAGW theory, it seems that the death of CAGW is entering the third and perhaps even the early part of stage four in the process.
The Earth is now into its 17th year no statistically significant warming trend (despite nearly 40% of all manmade CO2 emissions since 1750 being emitted over the past 17 years). Moreover, there is growing evidence and natural phenomena that suggest this lack of warming or perhaps even a prolonged cooling trend will continue for many years to come (PDO entered 30-yr cooling cycle in 2008, Antarctic and Pacific-portion of Arctic Ice extents setting 30-yr record levels, AMO starting to cool, current solar cycle lowest since 1906 and next solar cycle projected to be weakest since 1645, string of severe winters, record snow events, severe weather events at 100-yr average levels, slowing sea rise, etc.)
The political, social and economic ramifications/blowback of a mildly warming/cooling Earth, especially in light of the $trillions already wasted on the “settled science” of CAGW mitigation, is starting to create serious anxiety among politicians to their very political survival.
I expect many more attempts at “bargaining”, like Tim Yeo’s recent comments, to be forthcoming as politicians try to find a delicate balance between skepticism and advocacy of CAGW policy/theory.
CAGW will eventually become a very serious scandal, so it’s important that politicians and bureucrats have a comment on record, which they can use in their defense when questions of, “who knew what and when”, occur during the inevitable “CAGW witch hunt”.
Let the games begin….
Newsflash
National Hurricane Center has identified and named Hurricane Barbara!
Because it’s still Bush’s fault. Except a different Bush.
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Found this about “under-performing” solar panels:
http://www.solarsentry.com/Technology.htm
Buy their monitoring equipment and you can recoup 80% of the losses you thought were from the normal well-documented aging of the panels.
2.5% * 10 yrs, 25% loss. Only 20% of that, only 5% loss. Is it possible for panels to lose only 5% after 10 years? And that’s installation wide, including all “weather resistant” connections, electronics, etc.
Obviously the problem with those German solar installations is lack of monitoring.
Once the Germans learn how to do remote surveillance, there will be no more reports of performance problems. In the press. Ever.
I am now in a state of suffocation, 400ppm of Co2 and burning up fast – Hold up, they say its summer – Yea right, freezing my nuts off.
View from the Solent says on May 29, 2013 at 3:40 pm:
“In the UK there is a political party which has not bought into it. It’s doing rather well in the polls. (and in recent local elections)”
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Would that happen to be Lord Christopher’s ‘Political Party?
By the way, in spite of the Tim Yeo story above The UK politicians are getting the lumberjacks in The USA to cut down their forests so that their trees can be cut up and burned (burnt) in UK power stations.
The UK is fast running out of coal you see. (According to the BBC, that is) – And instead of cutting down their own (UK) forests for the purpose, the two-faced politicians are getting the Americans to cut down theirs. – Less trouble from the UK’s “greens” that way I suppose. -I do suspect some politician has a finger in that scam too, but I am not going to accuse anybody in particular as I doubt there will be any reliable evidence anywhere.
@ OssQss
You may have to search if there is anything for Cali (or U.S.). Here in Oz we have the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) which tracks the electricity pricing for our eastern states; Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia.
http://www.aemo.com.au/
What is interesting in the above, Qld, NSW, and Vic rely almost exclusively on coal-fired plants for power generation. Tas relies mostly on hydro for their power generation. South Australia on the other hand has the highest Nameplate Capacity of wind power, almost 40%, installed in Oz…….yet their prices per MWH are the highest in Oz…..possibly in the world.
Here is a very interesting article written by TonyfromOZ (JoNova regular poster) about such S.A. costs;
The Hidden Costs Wind Power Won’t Tell You About
http://papundits.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/is-south-australias-wind-power-cheap-well-no/
Cheers.
One cannot deny the strength of the “Pigs In Troughs” argument proposed by Dellingpole and indeed @Athelstan above.
You would have thought John Selwyn (what BSE problem?) Gummer would have learnt his lesson from “the science is settled” argument about the safety of eating British Beef at the height of the BSE crisis. Yes I remember the photo of him giving his daughter a beefburger in a PR photo stunt to say ‘the science is settled, the consensus is its perfectly safe’ (it later transpired it wasn’t and can lead to BSE). It makes you wonder if he has interests in wind farm companies now did he have interests in the Beef industry then? Also, I wonder if his daughter has ever forgiven him?
On the subject of children, because these ‘troughies’ have taxed fossil fuels out of reach there was a recent report on the BBC news that even heritage steam railways are having difficulty obtaining coal in the UK. Dare I say;
“In the near future our children won’t know what coal is?”
The temptation to mock, tar and feather will be very great but must be resisted. Last December Monckton suggested we dig rat holes for them to escape.
As Yeo is trying to take back his words then I agree with you that it does look like a story blown up by the media by quoting out of context. That is what the media do. What I find most interesting is that they should choose to do it to Yeo. Nasty media tricks in recent years have been mostly employed to diss sceptics and sell alarmism.
I don’t care what Yeo’s opinion is and whether he has changed his mind. He seems like a slimy piece of work to me and I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could kick him whatever his professed views on the climate. What interests me is that Yeo now finds himself in the uncomfortable position of having to bluster, equivocate, justify himself and answer uncomfortable questions. A year ago he had essentially a free pass to spout complete nonsense about the climate in front of the media and pass unchallenged. No longer it seems.
Tim Yeo is hoping for a “soft landing” for the AGW hoax and it’s fellow travellers. This will not be happening. With his 2009 comments easily retrieved at the tap of the keyboard or the click of a mouse, he like so many who will try to follow him, is finding out that the traditional lame stream media technique of the “walk Back” does not work in the age of the Internet.
The SS Global Warming is sinking with all hands. Sceptics have stolen all the life boats and the Internet has welded the hatches shut.
yippie eye yeo!
however, the MSM still won’t let go:
29 May: Daily Mail: Daniel Martin: Humans may not be responsible for global warming, it may just be a natural phase, says climate change MP
But he said governments should continue to cut carbon emissions, because there was still ‘a risk’ that global warming is caused by mankind…
Mr Yeo’s scepticism puts him at odds with the scientific community. A recent survey of 12,000 academic papers on climate change found 97 per cent agree that human activities are causing the planet to warm…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333056/Humans-responsible-global-warming-just-natural-phase-says-climate-change-MP.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
backtracking…
29 May: East Anglia Daily Times: Suffolk: Tim Yeo claims “views remain the same” about causes of climate change
South Suffolk MP Tim Yeo has claimed that remarks suggesting that “natural causes” may be partly to blame for global warming were taken out of context.
Mr Yeo, chair of the Energy and Climate Change Committee, posted a statement on his website after the Telegraph reported that he had said the causes of climate change are “not absolutely clear.”…
Responding Mr Yeo said: “In the light of what has appeared on the Telegraph website suggesting that I have changed my views about climate change, I wanted to make clear that this is not the case.
“My views have remained the same for over two decades.
“I accept the overwhelming scientific evidence that human activities are having a major impact on the climate – there is an overwhelming probability that the impact of greenhouse gas emissions from human actions are contributing to climate change.
“The move to a low carbon economy is not just right environmentally but also in our economic interest.”
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/suffolk_tim_yeo_claims_views_remain_the_same_about_causes_of_climate_change_1_2215452
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It’s going to be hard to blame this on Global Warming …
French weather channel Meteo has forecast that this summer will be the worst on record in Western Europe since 1816 – known by meteorological experts as “the year without summer”.
If you’ve been looking forward to spending your Spanish summer sunning yourself by the pool, don’t pack away your winter clothes just yet.
France’s main weather channel has announced that there is a 70 percent chance of this summer being cold and wet across Spain, France, Portugal, Germany and Austria.
http://www.thelocal.es//20130527/spain-braces-itself-for-summer-that-never-was
Jail or worse. Some people need to be charged with murder, at least manslaughter, because they have blood on their hands.
Yeah, I know, I know, that sounds kooky to the moderate purists among us who don’t want to “stoop to their level” and other assorted cop-outs. But let me ask those above-the-fray types a simple question … If Jim Jones had been taken out of the jungle alive, would you charge him with anything?
( That was obviously not directed at you Jimbo! The people it is meant for know who they are. )
nice to see Bellamy get a mention at least:
30 May: UK Express: Nathan Yao: Forecasts for global warming ‘too high’
THE effects of climate change may be less severe than had been feared, a dramatic study has revealed.
Australian scientists say predictions for global warming have been too high.
A university team, using ground-breaking research, said an estimate that the planet would warm up by more than 11F (6C) by the year 2100 unless there were huge cuts in carbon emissions was “unlikely”.
However, in a research paper published in the journal Nature Climate Change, the team claimed that a 4F (2C) increase was “very likely” at current emission rates…
The research is adding to a growing body of evidence against extreme global warming.
Met Office figures showed the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has overestimated for the past five years the rate at which the planet is heating up.
Campaigners, such as ex-BBC presenter David Bellamy,insist that “man-made global warming is a myth”.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/403595/Forecasts-for-global-warming-too-high
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The slow crawl back from the pig trough by the What yours is Mine crowd, there’s still some more taxpayers money to be made by the Slimy B****ds.
It became obvious early on that this AGW was a concocted hoax, but there was lots of money to be made by perpetuating it, and they knew it.
Bring these criminals, crooks, liars and frauds to a court of law for trial, they knowingly committed crimes against all humanity and should be forced to face up to it. We want justice and our money back!!!!!!
Yale is at it again:
29 May: CleanTechnica: National Survey: Nearly 90% Of Americans Say Government Should Act On Global Warming, Push Ahead On Clean Energy
Nearly 90% of Americans (87%) say that global warming and the development of clean energy sources should be priorities for the US president and Congress, according to results from a nationwide survey conducted by 4C – the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication and the Yale Center for Climate Change Communication…
Yet more alarming is that based on current trends we are on track to experience global warming of 4ºC or more, according to the latest research, Dunlop and Kannien pointed out, and that could result in sea level rises of as much as 70 meters (230 feet), not to mention numerous and varied other fundamentally disruptive effects on ecosystems, economies and societies…
Moreover, a majority of Americans support:
Providing tax rebates for people who purchase energy-efficient vehicles or solar panels (71%)
Funding more research into renewable energy sources (70%)
Regulating CO2 as a pollutant (68%)
Requiring fossil fuel companies to pay a carbon tax and using the money to pay down the national debt (61%)
Eliminating all subsidies for the fossil-fuel industry (59%)
Expanding offshore drilling for oil and natural gas off the U.S. coast (58%)
Requiring electric utilities to produce at least 20% of their electricity from renewable energy sources, even if it costs the average household an extra $100 a year (55%)
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/05/29/national-survey-nearly-90-of-americans-say-government-should-act-on-global-warming-push-ahead-on-clean-energy/
Yale: Public Support for Climate & Energy Policies in April 2013
Download the PDF.
http://environment.yale.edu/climate-communication/article/Climate-Policy-Support-April-2013
“UK politicians are getting the lumberjacks in The USA to cut down their forests so that their trees can be cut up and burned (burnt) in UK power stations.” [Olav Dahlsveen at 5:42PM]
Given their supposed “green” policy stance, that is, indeed, hypocritical. It’s a silly strategy practically speaking, though — how much does it cost to cut, process, and ship a load of wood to the U.K.?! Not likely to go on very long, I wouldn’t think.
Please forgive me if this next is completely off base, but, I thought I might have detected some kindly concern on your part indicating that you feel the felling of our forests would be a sad thing. We have a LOT of trees over here in the U.S.. They are a crop as replantable as wheat or corn. I love trees. When a big Douglas Fir starts to fall, it gives a moan, falls to the ground with a thundering crash, and then all is silent (well, if the logger turned off his chainsaw it would be). No one with a tender heart can watch that unmoved. But, that is why it was born, to die, to give humanity life. New, baby, trees will be fifty feet tall in less than 30 years. And the cycle goes on.
No need to feel any regret at using our trees, Mr. Dahlsveen. People like you are why we planted them.
(And we have PLENTY of old growth firs and cedars in our National and State parks to enjoy)
John Tillman says:
May 29, 2013 at 12:05 pm
¡Ojalá!
Which was derived from Arabic: إن شاء الله (Insha’Allah – the will of Allah)
Are we proposing Jihad? Count me out.
Jimbo says: “The temptation to mock, tar and feather will be very great but must be resisted.”
> Rob Potter says: “Allowing them to back down gracefully, however hard that makes me grind my teeth, is the only way forward.”
I don’t think so. The proponents of AGW have cost us Taxpayers and Consumers $106.7 Billion** over 20 years (1989-2009). That price tag does not count cost of complying with needless regulations, which has estimated cost of $1.75 Trillion per year**.
Those involved in Global Warming Scam must be held accountable as in: loss of careers, loss of pensions, forfeiture of assets, and serving time in prison. A strong message must be sent to future scientists and politicians that committing fraud, especially when it comes to science and public trust, will be dealt with harshly.
** (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/08/23/the-alarming-cost-of-climate-change-hysteria/)
There must be money in it for Yeo to change his mind.
Yeah, it’s all a scam, just not happening, and there’s a pretty graph to ‘prove’ it.
How about this then? Duh.
Shipping along the Arctic northern sea route is set to grow more than 30-fold over the next eight years and could account for a quarter of the cargo traffic between Europe and Asia by 2030, experts said on Wednesday.
With global warming thawing sea ice, the route, which runs along Russia’s northern coast and links Europe with ports in East Asia, is opening for longer and longer each year.
Russia is also easing regulations to accommodate more vessels aiming to spur use of the still fledgling route which can cut travel time between Europe and Asia by up to 40 percent.
“Russia clearly sees the opportunity and is trying to take advantage of it,” said Mikhail Belkin, an adviser at Atomflot, the operator of Russia’s nuclear icebreaker fleet.
“The northern sea route is not a rival to the Suez Canal, but it’s a good seasonal complement… and has the potential to grow very fast.”
Around 1.25 million metric tons (1.38 million tons) of cargo traversed the route last year, a tiny figure compared to the Suez Canal’s 740 million metric tons.
But Belkin predicted a rise to 1.5 million metric tons this year and 40 million metric tons by 2021.
“Crossings (between Europe and Asia) will account for 15 million metric tons, LNG from the Yamal Peninsula for another 15 million and oil cargo out of that area for another 10 million,” said Belkin, whose icebreakers need to accompany most vessels along the route.
The gas is expected to come from Yamal, which is being jointly developed by Novatek and Total, while the oil is expected to come from Gazprom’s Novoportovskoye field in Siberia.
A recent deal by ExxonMobil to partner with state-controlled Rosneft to explore for oil on 150 million acres in the Chukchi, Kara and Laptev seas could mean further oil for export.
ICE LEVELS
Last September, Arctic sea ice reached its lowest level on record and scientists say there could be an ice-free summer by 2030-2040.
The northern sea route was open around six months last year with an LNG vessel crossing as late as November and the season could grow to 8 months within a decade.
If you want to know about the science, the Telegraph is no more reliable than the other tory rag the Mail, it just has longer words on average. But that’s what you saddoes do, pick n mix any old opinion even if it does come from a bumptious oaf without a clue about science. But he knows about money, especially unearned income.
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Darren Potter, Jimbo and Rob Potter [related?] you hope. Sadly for you the evidence is piling up according to expectations, was conclusive many years ago and when it finally dawns on you, there will be a lot of pressure to persecute those who delayed action before it was too late. Your internet traces are everywhere, but they’ll probably concentrate on people like Watts and ignore you little people as the dupes you are.
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The report about Tim Yeo is in the printed Telegraph today. Sadly the report also quotes that 97% figure.
As has been noted, the graph of global warming is starting to look like a sine wave. If so, then the global temp will start to fall at an accelerating rate. The lack of warming for nearly two decades is certainly having an effect on the believers. What will happen when the global temp has been consistently falling for several years? We live in interesting times.
It does illustrate the dilemma for sceptics, though. The onset of global cooling will definitively prove that they were right. But at the same time sceptics know that significant global cooling will be a disaster for mankind….
Chris
@Clipe
metaphorically
paraphrased
equivocation
Anything but the truth Margaret?
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I was using a term employed by someone else recently when they got in hot water for what they had said. My humour was a bit too subtle.
As for the other words, this man is a politician – do you not expect anything else especially with the “rise” of UKIP in the UK and their very firmly anti-AGW stand? We”re talking votes and politicians will say anything to keep their seats. I expect the same from Al Gore, Lords Lawson and Donoughue and others.
From “Yes Minister”:
“Ministers have an enviable intellectual suppleness and moral maneuverability. Translation: You can’t trust them further than you can throw them.”
So Tim Yeo is backtracking on his statements
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/5/30/yeo-clarifies-to-obscure.html
In the light of what has appeared on the Telegraph website suggesting that I have changed my views about climate change, I wanted to make clear that this is not the case.
My views have remained the same for over two decades. I accept the overwhelming scientific evidence that human activities are having a major impact on the climate – there is an overwhelming probability that the impact of greenhouse gas emissions from human actions are contributing to climate change.
I will continue to press for urgent action on this matter, making the case that the move to a low carbon economy is not just right environmentally but also in our economic interest.”
He may have been “got at”.
“oneworldnet says:
May 30, 2013 at 2:40 am”
There sure is plenty of real world evidence, not computer simulations, that CO2 from human activities is NOT driving global warming and catastrophic climate change hence the now 17 years stall in temperature rises. Interesting you use the work persecute as in a [witch] hunt or a “Crusade” by “believers”?
Patrick says:
May 30, 2013 at 5:15 am
Dammit! Should have read “Interesting you use the WORD persecute as in a WITCH hunt or a “Crusade” by “believers”?”
Yeo, Gummer and Ed Milliband are beneath contempt. Their scientific ignorance is so complete that they should never again be allowed to comment on any aspect of science. Just posh boys who think they know it all – and there are too many of them in govenment, to say nothing of their `scientific advisors` – all self proclaimed experts. But remember what Richard Feynman said of `experts`!
Related to energy production costs mentioned earlier. Quite a deep site.
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=19&t=3
Global Warming ended more than a decade ago.
Change to atmospheric CO2 has no significant influence on average global temperature.
Two papers on line provide some eye-opening insight on possible cause of change to average global temperature.
The first one is ‘Global warming made simple’ at http://lowaltitudeclouds.blogspot.com/. It shows, with simple calculations, how a tiny change in low altitude clouds could account for half of the average global temperature change in the 20th century, and what could have caused that tiny change. (The other half of the temperature change is from natural ocean oscillation which is dominated by the PDO)
The second paper is ‘Natural Climate change has been hiding in plain sight’ at http://climatechange90.blogspot.com/2013/05/natural-climate-change-has-been.html . This paper presents a simple equation that calculates average global temperatures since they have been accurately measured world wide with an accuracy of 90%, irrespective of whether the influence of CO2 is included or not. The equation uses a proxy of the time-integral of sunspot numbers. A graph is included which shows the calculated trajectory overlaid on measurements.
A third paper, ‘The End of Global Warming’ at http://endofgw.blogspot.com/ expands recent measurements and includes a graph showing the growing separation between the rising CO2 and not-rising average global temperature.
oneworldnet says:
May 30, 2013 at 2:32 am
Yeah, it’s all a scam, just not happening, and there’s a pretty graph to ‘prove’ it.
How about this then? Duh.
Shipping along the Arctic northern sea route is set to grow more than 30-fold over the next eight years and could account for a quarter of the cargo traffic between Europe and Asia by 2030, experts said on Wednesday.
onew., from your post:
said Mikhail Belkin, an adviser at Atomflot, the operator of Russia’s nuclear icebreaker fleet.
Russia has several atomic ice breakers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_powered_icebreaker
I also found this about increasing arctic traffic when googling “Russia atomic ice breakers”:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/01-03-2006/76685-icebreaker-0/
“Icebreakers of the Arktika class can move at a speed of 2-3 knots (4-5.5 km/h) in the ice of 2.8 m thick.”….
” Together with the eight operating atomic icebreakers they will be enough to guide convoys for the next ten years and guarantee transportation of 5-7 million tons of cargo a year along the northern seaway (today, the showing makes up less than 1.5 million of tons).”
“It is supposed that icebreakers of the LK-60 type will be used for this purpose in the future. These icebreakers may operate both in coastal shelf areas and in the deep ocean. Engineers also plan to start developing icebreakers with new nuclear installations that will be able to guide convoys from Europe to America through the North Pole. ”
And so on.
I don’t think Mr. Yeo knows what Mr. Yeo thinks. He’s all over the map. His confusion, though, is symptomatic of an ideology which is under duress and in the process of collapsing.
Protected by both a yellow cloak of political protectiveness and a Teflon cloak of green righteousness, they’re above criticism but to my mind, those greedy pigs are no better than vicious muggers, beating an elderly pensioner to death in the street for her pennies.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/politicians-thieves-and-those-grey-areas-in-between/
Pointman
Just remove the grants and see how people change their point of view. If solar nor wind in reliable, then advertise it when they try to sell the idea. They won’t. People feel guilty, or some do by the alarmist bull they circulate, that we in industrial countries are causing environmental disasters in Third World countries and atolls. Atolls sink. Always have done. Yes we were a lot hotter in the last 1,000 years, but not caused by industrial emissions. Grapes were grown in medieval England, then a mini ice age hit and the wine industries were hit. But one little bit of innovation they turned the grape presses into the first printing presses. There didn’t we benefit by mass produced books, and encouraged people to exchange ideas, once they learned to read. Our local university got a huge grant to help remove nitrous oxide from soils. We laughed as our teacher for our Diploma in Organic Agricultural Production, an accredited course, not some Green dream event, told us he didn’t think it was a problem, as nitrous oxides form in wet soils and all they need is gypsum to break them up.
CAGW are just the means.
The real object is international Government, or international Marxism as I see it.
Look on the list of national leaders showing up at the Copenhagen climate conference 2009. Even Chavez was there and eager to get rid of capitalism, as he put it.