Stunning ignorance on display from Senator Barbara Boxer over Oklahoma tornado outbreak

Two Senators using recent Oklahoma Tornadoes and resulting tragic deaths to push their political agendas is well beyond shameful and disgusting. This is one of those times when I wish we could express our actual thoughts in verboten words.
Any chance Anthony would make an exception in this case for use of extreme profanity? Cause “shameful and disgusting” don’t even come close to describing how one feels about two Senators USING this disaster for propagandizing Global Warming and spreading more Global Warming F.U.D.

sadbutmadlad says: ” isn’t there any form of building permit that ensure that the properties can survive most tornados, or at the very least that people have places to go to to escape the tornado?”
Realize it isn’t just the swirling 250mph wind of Tornadoes the structure has to withstand. Tornadoes will pickup and toss around, school buses, fire engines, 18-wheelers, and combines. Any of those thrown into or dropped from sky onto a structure will destroy all but the most rugged above ground shelters.
One company uses 1/4″ plate steel welded onto 4″ box beam steel frame to make an above ground shelter that will take a car dropped on it from 70 feet. That sounds great, except the costs are prohibitive for most. Especially when a trailer home puts those people deep in debt.

For once here in Britain we have from the BBC a more balanced view. On the 6pm News we had the environment correspondent stating that there was no link found between tornados and climate change.
Then there is the BBC article Tornado Alley: Patterns without predictability
A couple of quotes

The enormous tornado that struck in Moore, Oklahoma, on Monday has added a chilling entry into the list of the deadliest tornadoes on record.
The event has many recalling a record-breaking tornado that struck in precisely the same region in 1999, during which the fastest winds ever seen on the Earth’s surface were recorded: over 500km/h (310mph).

Yet there is no indication that the frequency of large tornadoes is increasing. While 2011 saw the largest number of storms above EF1 among records dating back to 1954, 2012 was among the lowest.
And the average number of fatalities caused by tornadoes has been steadily declining since 1925 – before Monday’s storm, only one of the 25 deadliest tornadoes occurred in the last 58 years, and most of that list stretches back further than a century.

I do not want in any way to downplay this terrible tragedy. There are many today mourning the loss of loved ones and thousands who have seen their homes destroyed. But like with many other natural disasters, the human loss is decreasing dramatically over time and may that decline continue.

manicbeancounter says:
May 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Agree wholeheartedly. Best wishes to all those affected.
I have a question for those in such high risk USA locations – and that is, do you get insurance for Tornado(or Hurricane) damage? How much does it cost relative to the value/sums insured? How are the premiums/risk calculated?
In the UK, of late, some places have been flooded twice or more – which as a result, means the homeowners cannot get insurance against flooding. I was wondering if USA insurers take a similar stance with respect to tornadoes (kind of one/two strikes and your out?) – or if, as seems more logical to me, that the large areas involved suggest that tornado strikes are much less likely to repeat in long time intervals (e.g. 1 in 100 year events)?
just curious….if anyone is in such areas or has such experience and can offer comment.

“We need to protect our people. That’s our number one obligation and we have to deal with this threat that is upon us and that is gonna get worse and worse though the years.”
Since you are a threat, resign Senator Boxer.

manicbeancounter says: “I do not want in any way to downplay this terrible tragedy.”
No worries mate, you haven’t.
manicbeancounter says: “But like with many other natural disasters, the human loss is decreasing dramatically over time and may that decline continue”
Which is significant and amazing; when you consider both population increase and urban sprawl. The fact is there are more targets (human and buildings) for Tornadoes to hit.

Alert! This just in from the local TV meteorologist, the big Oklahoma tornado was EF-5, winds were up to 200 to 210mph

John from the EU says:
May 21, 2013 at 10:31 am
“Is someone going to write to these Senators and educate them on the real facts?”
One way to spread the word about the folly of linking tornadoes and climate change is to reply to one of those senators’ tweets with a link to a relevant wattsupwiththat article.

And they’re campaigning on moral grounds to stop tax avoidance? It’s surprising that anyone pays any taxes at all!

Climate change hysteria is the best example of group psychosis, but on a global scale.

Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented:
“Stunning ignorance” and “Barbara Boxer” are, of course, redundant. She really is dumber than a box of rocks. And what an embarrassment for California… that we keep inflicting on ourselves. :/

In 1925 the Tri-state tornado clobbered Missouri, Illinois and Indiana. 3.5 hours on the ground, 219 mile long path,over a mile wide at its’ largest, nearly 700 dead. The Weather Channel has it listed in its’ top ten of all time storms. Let’s hope CO2 doesn’t drop to the 1925 level again.

Well, Trenberth was glad to support this crap:
http://news.yahoo.com/role-does-climate-change-play-tornadoes-163100822.html
Can’t say I’m particularly surprised.

Mark Bofill says:
May 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Well, Trenberth was glad to support this crap:
http://news.yahoo.com/role-does-climate-change-play-tornadoes-163100822.html
Can’t say I’m particularly surprised.
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That silly old doofus doesn’t know if he’s having a shit or a haircut !!!
Your dumb-ass models say the heat is hiding in the deep ocean Kevin you two-faced prat. Did it sneak out to kill some children just so you could gloat about being right – you A-hole.

I submitted the following related comment to the Tom Nelson site, just a few minutes ago:
These are activists in a political, ideological cause, not a scientific one. They accept the false climate consensus as given, as have all of the supposedly authoritative institutions I hasten to add, and the political war that has been going on increasingly between Left and Right for decades, has effectively driven them insane. They understand the political “debate”; what they cannot begin to understand, it seems, is that two generations of incompetent climate science have failed all of us, and that is what is behind the “conspiracy of denial” they imagine they are seeing now. Put another way, they were effectively kidnapped by bad science many years ago, and made to identify with their kidnappers, and do their bidding. They have made themselves the victims so many of them believe themselves to be, but the force that bedevils them is their own cult, not the “skeptics” and “deniers” of the false science.

I have lived in Texas most of my 67 years, which I daresay Ms. Boxer has not. Climate change, my patooty. This is what this part of the country looks like. Every year that I can remember, Spring has been marked by the onslaught of violent weather, and it hasn’t changed a bit.

Chris4692 says:
May 21, 2013 at 1:44 pm
thanks for the response. my main query is whether your insurers are as bad as ours in ‘moving the goalposts’ on policies as soon as a claim comes in! (whether there is any statistical likelihood of a repeat event or not!).

So we already have cap and trade in this dying state we call California, yet this ninny still wants to pass her own carbon tax on top of it? Brilliant.

“how could you have changed the outcome yesterday?”
A tax would take money away from individuals and reduced their ability to prepare for potential disasters which in turn would lead to more injuries/deaths. Meanwhile, more gov’t “friends” could have received funding for non economically viable “green” jobs in politically sensitive jurisdictions. That’s how they could have changed the outcomes

Boycott California, cancel your TV subscription.. They will replace / retire the present crop of idiots with a new bunch faster than you can download a pirate movie :)..
Its their only weakness.. I suggest we exploit it..

The only thing that is true is every western government is flat broke and deeply in debt..
The leftists cant cut and win elections because big government and handouts is how they win elections.. So their political survival absolutely depends on generating new revenue streams..
They may act like idiots but they are not.. Their short term political future depends on getting their hands on what little money you have left after our traditional tax burden.. The entire leftist ecosystem expects to be rewarded with raises, promotions and indexed pensions..
This is why non existent global warming and all of its side show spin offs refuse to die..
Follow the money, right into their pockets..
What else do you think they plan on doing with this stolen money?

Eve Stevens says:
May 21, 2013 at 11:15 am
Senator Whitehouse is upset because people will be asking the government for money. News for Senator Whitehouse – It is their money, All the money the government has, has been taken from the people!
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Well, not quite Eve.
You see all of the money people get from the government will need to be taken from other people. But worse is in today’s economy the money doesn’t come from taxpayers at all, it is borrowed from other countries with interest or our government just prints more dollars and causes more inflation which devalues all currently circulating dollars.
So you see it’s not as you say “their money.” Congress has to borrow it first.
Our government really has no money.
It’s not that the government is broke, it never had the money…..
congress just spends like it does.
cn

When the President calls a special session of Congress, members of the Senate and House are notified by letter, e-mail, and phone. To get Barbara Boxer’s attention, the President stands on the White House lawn and yells SOOOOOOOOOOOOOEY.

Reed Coray says:
May 21, 2013 at 11:14 am
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The most accurate description of Babs I’ve heard is that she’s the only person alive that makes Senator Feinstein and governor Moonbeam look good.”

Let’s not overlook that other paragon of California’s intelligentsia, Congresswoman Capps; she fits right in with the two Senators and governor.

Here in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills, we can’t afford to fix the roads any more, so we have to drive SUVs … or just fly wherever we need to go.
No really, no Sarc tag !!!

Being a Boxer can cause brain damage. She is the final proof.
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/even_amateur_boxing_can_cause_brain_damage-89512

Barbara Boxer’s ignorance is stunning? On what planet?

I have no argument with the viewpoint that B Boxer is stupid, balanced perhaps by M Bachman from the other ‘side’.
But is there anyone here who can credibly claim that recent climate change, increased land and surface temps, increased humidity, changes in jet stream path etc had absolutely NO effect on the incidence and severity of tornados?
There seems to be some evidence that AGW has reduced incidence, but perhaps like hurricanes the fewer events are more severe?

Newsweek science editor Peter Gwynne warned of tornadoes as a consequence of “global cooling,”
That sounds like the plot of “The Sixth Winter”.

@- Mark Bofill
“Unless the goal is PR instead of science.”
Rejecting the obvious fact that there is clearly some type of teleconnection between climate and tornado magnitude and incidence is definitely PR instead of science.

To izen:
Re-read the top of the post. Violent tornadoes have been lessening. As to
the cooling starting to breed more violent ones, I’m going to quote you right
back at yourself: “It takes more than {3,5,10,12,15,take your pick}
years to make a trend.”–izen, on many occasions.

All, please get the name of the Golden State correct, it’s not California, it is the People’s Republic of California.
The few conservative left in the state are indeed ashamed of our representation, but when you have people like Maxine Waters representing your district, getting them out is harder than getting water out of a rock. For over 20 years I have tried to vote her out – but, alas, I am the 1% not on the dole.

Boxer has no idea of what EXTREME weather really is:

“Abrupt Climate Change – Inevitable Surprises”, Committee on Abrupt Climate Change, National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences, 2002, ISBN: 0-309-51284-0, 244 pages, Richard B. Alley, chair:
Recent scientific evidence shows that major and widespread climate changes have occurred with startling speed. For example, roughly half the north Atlantic warming since the last ice age was achieved in only a decade, and it was accompanied by significant climatic changes across most of the globe. Similar events, including local warmings as large as 16°C, occurred repeatedly during the slide into and climb out of the last ice age….
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309074347

In his book, The Two-Mile Time Machine: Ice Cores, Abrupt Climate Change, and Our Future Richard Alley, one of the world’s leading climate researchers, tells the fascinating history of global climate changes as revealed by reading the annual rings of ice from cores drilled in Greenland. In the 1990s he and his colleagues made headlines with the discovery that the last ice age came to an abrupt end over a period of only three years….
http://www.amazon.com/Two-Mile-Time-Machine-Abrupt-Climate/dp/0691102961 :

A change of 16°C WITHIN A DECADE as the solar insolation nears the tipping point between glacial and interglacial conditions is what I define as EXTREME. A switch from glacial to interglacial within three years is what I define as EXTREME.
Our climate has been very stable and we should be thanking water vapor and CO2 for keeping it that way.
The real debate seems to be:
1. Is glacial inception “…a sharp threshold, which must be near 416 Wm2…” or at the “… weak summer insolation minimum (474Wm−2)…” with “… today’s value of 428 Wm2…” and “…the onset of significant bipolar-seesaw”
2. Even if the earth stays above the threshold for glacial inception how stable is the climate near that threshold?

….the June 21 insolation minimum at 65N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a ‘double precession-cycle’ interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human influence….
http://lorraine-lisiecki.com/LisieckiRaymo2005.pdf

….The onset of the LEAP occurred within less than two decades, demonstrating the existence of a sharp threshold, which must be near 416 Wm2, which is the 65oN July insolation for 118 kyr BP (ref. 9). This value is only slightly below today’s value of 428 Wm2. Insolation will remain at this level slightly above the glacial inception for the next 4,000 years before it then increases again…..
http://www.particle-analysis.info/LEAP_Nature__Sirocko+Seelos.pdf

LEAP = A late Eemian aridity pulse in central Europe during the last glacial inception.

Abstract
Investigating the processes that led to the end of the last interglacial period is relevant for understanding how our ongoing interglacial will end, which has been a matter of much debate … Here we present an annually resolved, layer-counted record of varve thickness, quartz grain size and pollen assemblages from a maar lake in the Eifel (Germany), which documents a late Eemian aridity pulse lasting 468 years with dust storms, aridity, bushfire and a decline of thermophilous trees at the time of glacial inception. We interpret the decrease in both precipitation and temperature as an indication of a close link of this extreme climate event to a sudden southward shift of the position of the North Atlantic drift, the ocean current that brings warm surface waters to the northern European region. The late Eemian aridity pulse occurred at a 65 degrees N July insolation of 416 W m(-2), close to today’s value of 428 W m(-2) (ref. 9), and may therefore be relevant for the interpretation of present-day climate variability.

A newer paper from last fall disagrees:

…Thus, glacial inception occurred ~3 kyr before the onset of significant bipolar-seesaw variability… [bipolar-seesaw = Arctic ice decreasing while Antarctic Ice increases. GC]
…Given the large decrease in summer insolation over the Last Interglacial as a result of the strong eccentricity-precession forcing, we suggest that the value of 3 kyr may be treated as a minimum. We thus estimate interglacial duration as the interval between the terminal occurrence of bipolar-seesaw variability and 3 kyr before its first major reactivation….
…Comparison [of the Holocene] with MIS 19c, a close astronomical analogue characterized by an equally weak summer insolation minimum (474Wm−2) and a smaller overall decrease from maximum summer solstice insolation values, suggests that glacial inception is possible despite the subdued insolation forcing, if CO2 concentrations were 240±5 ppmv ….
Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? (Tzedakis et al., 2012)

Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception (2007)
….Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started….

Since Warmist love models here is another paper using models. (rolls eyes)

Transient simulation of the last glacial inception. Part II: sensitivity
and feedback analysis
Abstract
The sensitivity of the last glacial-inception (around 115 kyr BP, 115,000 years before present) to different feedback mechanisms has been analysed by using the Earth system model of intermediate complexity… We performed a set of transient experiments starting at the middle of the Eemiam interglacial and ran the model for 26,000 years with time-dependent orbital forcing and observed changes in atmospheric CO2 concentration (CO2 forcing). The role of vegetation and ocean feedback, CO2 forcing, mineral dust, thermohaline circulation and orbital insolation were closely investigated. In our model, glacial inception, as a bifurcation in the climate system, appears in nearly all sensitivity runs including a run with constant atmospheric CO2 concentration of 280 ppmv, a typical interglacial value, and simulations with prescribed present-day sea-surface temperatures or vegetation cover—although the rate of the growth of ice-sheets growth is smaller than in the case of the fully interactive model. Only if we run the fully interactive model with constant present-day insolation and apply present-day CO2 forcing does no glacial inception appear at all. This implies that, within our model, the orbital forcing alone is sufficient to trigger the interglacial–glacial transition, while vegetation, ocean and atmospheric CO2 concentration only provide additional, although important, positive feedbacks. In addition, we found that possible reorganisations of the thermohaline circulation influence the distribution of inland ice….
Discussion
….In particular, Porter (2001) reports an increased mineral dust concentration in the Northwestern Pacific during glacial inception, which supports our approach. Our model does not account for the radiative effect of dust (Claquin et al. 2003)….
In our model, glacial inception is triggered by a decrease in boreal summer insolation. Once a critical threshold is crossed, the snow-albedo feedback pushes the system from a interglacial to a glacial state (Calov et al. 2005)….

With this as the real area of debate Warmists are complaining that the weather is warm???