Hump Day Hilarity – Bill McKibben demonstrates what a classy intelligent guy he is…

…by agreeing with and reposting a photo that insults not only the intelligence of rational thinking people, but Native American people as well. (warning – graphic language)

McKibben_greedy

Source: http://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/314392960777203712

The real reason for a coal terminal? Export. Much like the feared and loathed KXL pipeline will move the oil out of Canada for export, that coal is going to get used somewhere. Since Bill and his friends have worked to demonize coal use in the USA, UK, Australia, Europe, and elsewhere, it gets exported to places like China. But, weepy Bill and his protester friends don’t understand much beyond the emotional arguments being made.

All McKibben and the environmental movement have succeeded in doing is shifting the location of the use of these fuels.

116 thoughts on “Hump Day Hilarity – Bill McKibben demonstrates what a classy intelligent guy he is…

  1. Says a man on the take from a warmists propoganda foundation! Pot calling the kettle black.
    ‘Um seems about right Bill

  2. “All McKibben and the environmental movement have succeeded in doing is shifting the location of the use of these fuels.”

    Not all.

    [By] moving fuel, additional energy is expended. (Wasted.)

  3. Does anybody else wonder if McKibben and Hansen and so on are only in this so they can get activist chicks? Not saying they are, just wondering just sayin.

  4. McKibben is someone the general public mistakes as a scientist. But he only plays one on Twitter.

  5. I’m doing what? I’ll have you know I have never had relations with any of the seven dwarves* although as a fervent supporter of equal rights I refuse to rule it out in the future.

    *I think Greedy was the eighth, the ginger stepchild that Disney** refused to mention.

    ** I’ve not seen much Disney.

  6. As 350.org is funded by the Rockefeller foundation the question arises, what interest do the liberal billionaires of the US have in preventing coal export. Maybe just generally keep the price of an energy resource high, a natural instinct of an oligopolist. Maybe destabilizing the Eurozone further.
    (Don’t know whether that planned terminal is East or West coast but would expect in Virginia, so likely more export to EU)

  7. “Since the reasonable man adapts himself to his circumstances, all progress must depend on the unreasonable man”….George Bernard Shaw

    The unfortunate thing is that “progressives” have a distorted view of “progress”….but they have always proven themselves to by unreasonable.

  8. Still young, but no longer ladies. If only we could harness that self-righteousness. Until, then they and Weepy will enjoy coal-generated power, which they would deny the world’s poor. Greedy?

  9. McFibben, McCribbin its all delinguent spoilt teenage tripe from people that have yet to grow up or have arrested development and never will. The two young girls I can undrestand but McDrebben?

    But how do the fossil fuel producers force people to buy their filthy ugly energy giving product, is beyond me. Mass hypnotism?

  10. At least all the words on the sign were spelled correctly. She’s learning something in school.

  11. Two nice girls with a jarringly irrational poster that reads: “…you are f.cking greedy.” Apparently about right to McKibben’s thinking. He wants to oppose that coal terminal for ideological reasons so badly that he will approve of nice girls using language their parents would never allow. But I’ve got to admit that he has leadership qualities that makes people gravitate to him. Just like a street gang leader, or Hitler, or Lenin. A talent used for irrational and anti-social purposes in the name of a twisted ideology.

  12. We have additional expenditures for moving the coal and oil overseas, We are also moving it from our relatively clean uses to countries that pay little attention to the environment.

  13. Maybe weepy Bill should know I am a Native Canadian working the oil sands as are 2500 other Native Canadians working the oil sands. We have the distinction of being the number one Native employer in Canada, and have won awards for being the best employer as well. And none of us look anything like that dumb ass thing wearing a head dress she doesn’t have enough brains left alive to understand how idiotic she is to people like me. I wish to hell I can write how I really feel about that shit. I am pissed seeing them use our symbols for that garbage. Energy feeds tens of thousands of Native Canadian families up my way. God speed to the families working for a living in the coal business.

  14. Okay, I’m a bit confused here. . . .

    I did a Google search for “Fourth Coal Terminal” — and it appears the protests are against a coal terminal proposed for Newcastle, Australia.

    So what is the purpose of the Indian headdress? Or is this just some bubblehead college student trying to be cute?

  15. In Canada we sell off our resources as fast as possible so that we don’t have to go through all the bother of doing something with them. It is working well for some of us. When we run out of resources, there is always Johnathon Swift’s modest proposal.

  16. These idiots are like bad drivers. I don’t give a hoot if they off themselves driving into a tree— the problem arises when their imbicility threatens to take me with them.

  17. Newcastle has a LOT of non-thinking greenie types. A lot of impressionable uni students.

    They may actually stall the 4th terminal for a short while, until after the next election.

    Then Australia can hopefully get back to work.

  18. Zoot, if I remember correctly, Disney’s seven dwarves had a diamond mine. Maybe Greedy was the eighth dwarf, and he worked the coal mine.

  19. @Mark and two Cats says:
    “Those two gals are prolly high as kites on self-righteousness.”

    I know one of them (on the left), and you are so correct in your assessment :-)

    Ignorant art students, both. “oh, we don’t like coal… because….. ”

    without realising that it is coal and minerals that helps greatly in Australia holding onto the standard of living we still have down here, despite all the greenie efforts.

  20. BC Bill says:
    March 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    In Canada we sell off our resources as fast as possible so that we don’t have to go through all the bother of doing something with them. It is working well for some of us. When we run out of resources, there is always Johnathon Swift’s modest proposal.
    ———————–
    BC BIll
    I have no idea where you get your information, but we have 250 years of oil sands still to work with, moreover new technology will allow us to get at the deep oil sands we don’t currently access with today’s tech. We’re barely scratching an area the size of the city of Edmonton, Alberta.

  21. tobias says:
    March 20, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    Did I look that F…g stupid 40 years ago ?
    —————————————————
    Yup. We all did

    tobias says:
    March 20, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    Yep but I learned. And so hopefully will they.
    ———————————————————-
    …and they’ll be having this exact same conversation in 40 years time through whatever medium is available to them at that time. If the “greens” get their way these kids will have lost their smartphones and tablets and will be back to writing and mailing letters…so who knows what they’ll be demonstrating about.

  22. TANSTAAFL says:
    March 20, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Wait. Don’t the greens need coal to run their electric cars?

    =====================================================================
    Nah. They just blow hot air up the tailpipe.

  23. tobias says:
    March 20, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Did I look that F…g stupid 40 years ago ?

    D’oh, I dunno, Tobias. What do them there dots mean? Should I join them? Maybe I should ask my mum … Last time I asked her something like that, she said I’d make a good Greenie.

  24. Joseph A Olson says:
    March 20, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    “Since the reasonable man adapts himself to his circumstances, all progress must depend on the unreasonable man”….George Bernard Shaw

    The unfortunate thing is that “progressives” have a distorted view of “progress”….but they have always proven themselves to by unreasonable.

    It would be more correct to believe progress is driven by laziness.
    We started agiculture because it as easier than chasing our food.
    We built houses because it was easier than finding a cave.
    We built our entire technology because we wanted an easier way of doing something.
    It is easier to tell the truth than lie. There is less to remember about what you said to who.

  25. By the young woman’s definition, all businesses would be considered “greedy”. There is a definite anti-capitalist, socialist streak amongst the enviro clan.

  26. Ben Wilson says:
    March 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    “Okay, I’m a bit confused here. . . .
    I did a Google search for “Fourth Coal Terminal” — and it appears the protests are against a coal terminal proposed for Newcastle, Australia. ”

    Ah, so the leader of an American NGO interferes with Australian affairs.
    That makes him a patriot. Under the guise of environmentalism he cleverly tries to torpedo the exports of a competing coal producing nation.
    I take everything back.
    Please, Americans with Twitter accounts, thank him for his clever scheming.

  27. Typical BC guy. I eat granola while I sit on my butt at my do nothing government job living off the taxpayer. We don’t want a pipeline even though we already have one shipping crude out the port of Vancouver.

    BC sucks.

  28. Ben Wilson says:
    ” Or is this just some bubblehead college student trying to be cute?”

    Yes.. but at least she has succeeded at something ;-)

  29. Thing is, this 4th terminal at Kooragang will take the pressure off Port Waratah, so will almost certainly reduce the number of coal trains actually going through the north eastern part of Newcastle.
    And if we don’t increase our exports down here, the Chinese etc will just open up the mines in Papua, and that would be quite environmentally yucky.

    Coal production in the Hunter valley is clean, efficient and very well controlled.! (they do need to upgrade/duplicate the railways lines, though.)

    The whole issue is, as usual for green activists, shortsighted and based on lack of thought about consequences.. ie… they are ignorant fools.

  30. Gee that photo must have been taken where I live.

    What I can’t figure out is how they got the “No 4th Coal Terminal” placards about 20 feet up the power poles. Like the activists must have some money to hire cherry pickers to have done that (or the activists are very tall)

  31. David Elder says, ” what do them there dots mean/’
    Them there dots mean exactly, what anyone wants them to mean.
    lippin, oolin, riggin,
    Sorry I did not add enough dots. And if this was a protest Down Under it should be all of them including uckin. (This in regards to the wearing the head dress which I find personally an insult to Native North Americans).
    Also@BC Bill, I guess your last name is not Bennett, (as selling all of Canada’s resources) And for those that do not know, Premier WAC Bennett of BC was the driving force behind one of the most to this day effective Hydro Dam systems in NA, started in the 60’s just checked my bill averaged 1 month (coldest) 982 KwH @ $0.0845/ KwH total, 1400 sq home $79.02, the taxes add $12.00

  32. Ben Wilson says:
    March 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Okay, I’m a bit confused here. . . .

    I did a Google search for “Fourth Coal Terminal” — and it appears the protests are against a coal terminal proposed for Newcastle, Australia.

    Yep

  33. TANSTAAFL says:
    Wait. Don’t the greens need coal to run their electric cars?

    umm, the greenies I know mostly have soot spewing VW combis !!

  34. As Andy says, that is a photo from the Australian Greens party organised rally here in Newcastle last Saturday.

    If you look at the photostream posted by the 3rd commenter to the report on our local TV station NBN you’ll see them in this photo. The young lady holding up the sign is just above the black swan on the blue banner at the front of the crowd.

    The Greens have been trying to stop all our new coal loaders for a long long time. Since we’re now the biggest coal exporting port in the world I take this to mean our town is not quite as silly as our Australian Greens party would like us to be.

    Aside from the second lady (admittedly it may be a similar looking hair-do not a head-dress) we have very few Amerindian people here in our town, but lots of people who would like to work and make a living.

  35. Its not all bad down here in Newy..

    Was at a local pub listening to some music, and one of the unwashed wanted to hang one of those “No 4th coal terminal” signs behind the band.

    The young singer responded.. ” f ‘off, you do know that coal provides the electricity for the music, don’t you”

    had to laugh :-)

  36. Smiling faces at a protest…..just don’t seem to strike the right chord.
    Certainly not this heartstring.
    Probably just a lack of …..communication.
    He’ll get it right next time, for sure :)

  37. Since we are being vulgar, I’m thinking the “ladies” in the photo must be couple of his groupies.

  38. Since Bill and his friends have worked to demonize coal use in the USA, UK, Australia, Europe[…]

    Can’t be doing that good a job … […] The [American Coal export] boom isn’t about feeding the voracious appetites of China and India—not yet. Instead, American coal mined in the eastern U.S. and shipped overseas goes overwhelmingly to Europe, especially the U.K., the Netherlands and Italy.

    The U.S. is sending coal to Newcastle, and other English cities where the lights go on thanks to power plants fired by the American imports. British coal consumption for electricity rose about 50% in the third quarter of 2012 compared with 2011, as power producers there found coal cheaper than natural gas. […]

  39. Plus increasing net energy costs to transport that coal several thousand miles across oceans. The closer to the source you can burn that coal efficiently, the lower you net energy costs.

    Bill

  40. In Canada, the Globe and Mail has of course been very sympathetic to anything the anti oil sand lobby can muster, including the use of Native peoples, the untouchables of political correctness in Canada, in order to promote what increasingly looks like their owners (Thomsons of Thomson Reuters International) and friends business interests in carbon markets investments.
    The Canadian Press and CBC are also part of the disinformation machine. Postmedia has their own journalist/activists who day in and day out are pushing the great alarmism.
    BC is of course gangrened by US billionaires shills and so called charities, from their support to specific Universities (Environmental Law of UVic for instance and the SFU greens) to politicians tainted with green mongers.
    information at

    http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/vancouver-mayor-gregor-robertson-and-nrdc.html

    http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/vancouver-mayor-gregor-robertson-and-nrdc.html

    http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/vision-vancouver-backed-by-a-charity.html

  41. Well if you don’t have coal it seems you can’t rely on ‘cheap’ solar anymore-http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/china-solar-giant-suntech-collapses/story-e6frfkur-1226602056858
    and on top of your carbon credits heading south, subsidies for subsidence are not looking too good either-

    http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2013/03/the-tide-ebbs-on-another-climate-myth

    All in all with their hockey stick crutches falling apart Big Climate heads must be exploding everywhere trying to keep up with it all.

  42. RE: “Mark Bofill says:
    March 20, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    Does anybody else wonder if McKibben and Hansen and so on are only in this so they can get activist chicks? Not saying they are, just wondering just sayin.”

    I wish that were the case, for it would make them seem more human. Unfortunately, if you look at their lives, it seems they were mostly interested in money, and status. Looking back several decades, my own (limited) experience with “activist chicks” is that they were downright costly, in terms of money and status.

    I imagine Hansen and McKibben’s relations with activist chicks were politically correct. What is incorrect is their relationship with Truth. I can only suppose they never read, (or were unimpressed by,) scripture which states bad things happen to you if you mislead the blind.

  43. Peter in Ohio says:
    March 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    …and they’ll be having this exact same conversation in 40 years time through whatever medium is available to them at that time. If the “greens” get their way these kids will have lost their smartphones and tablets and will be back to writing and mailing letters…so who knows what they’ll be demonstrating about.
    =================================================
    Are you sure? It takes a lot of energy to produce paper. And a simple pencil (graphite core in wood) or a ballpoint pen is the result of international trade. Then there’s the complicated business of collecting and distributing letters. Writing with a quill-pen and soot-based ink and sending letters was for the wealthy in 17th century Europe, which is where the greens want to take us.

  44. Don’t forget stopping local use of coal, means exporting steel manufacturing/ jobs – Coal is the most efficient blast furnace fuel. Thus China ,India Etc.. produce most of the worlds steel to build Ships, Trains, Trucks, Cars, Fridges Etc……. Yep Weepy Bill you and your fellow watermelons are a treasure to the working man and the economy – NOT!!!

  45. Insulting to Native Americans? C’mon, that’s her real hair. It all happened when…

    Ok, the best ending to that last sentence gets a prize. I won’t, however, pay for the prize. I’ll have my neighbor pay for the prize. That’s the Obama way.

  46. If you ever Google McKibben you find that like so many prominent people in the CACW environmental scam today they have essentially NO relevant scientific training. McKibben is, I believe, an English major for God sakes! Obama pushes this crap without any scientific knowledge. He’s like most lawyers. Stupid but good at reading his teleprompter. I really don’t know which is worse, those like McKibben who are making a good living lying about the environment or those voters and citizens who are so incredibly gullible they’ll believe all of this BS. I’ve come to the nasty conclusion that I can’t take seriously the opinion of anyone on any topic if they believe the “consensus” or any other aspect of the climate scam. I think it’s hopeless until nearly all human life is wiped out by an asteroid and we start all over.

  47. Dear vitriolic, hate-filled Albertans who responded to my note. I see that you want to get into a chicken**** war of insults. There is nothing quite so unrewarding as talking to Albertans, but I will be drawn in enough to say that I wasn’t even thinking of the most important place in Canada, Fort McMurray when I wrote my note. You are probably not aware that BC ships a lot of coal, logs, semi-milled wood, minerals and other non or partially processed raw materials. I don’t think the shipping of coal or bitumen as an energy source is a problem, but when a country, state or province doesn’t have the brains to do anything with their resources other than sell them unprocessed, well that is pretty much the definition of loser. I was simply trying to point out that there might be good reasons to be protesting the shipping of coal other than concern over a trumped up global warming scam.

  48. It will all be burned Bill. At the absolute very best it might abrogate (another):

    “The onset of the LEAP occurred within less than two decades, demonstrating the existence of a sharp threshold, which must be near 416 Wm2, which is the 65oN July insolation for 118 kyr BP (ref. 9). This value is only slightly below today’s value of 428 Wm2. Insolation will remain at this level slightly above the inception for the next 4,000 years before it then increases again.”

    Sirocko, et al, 2005, A late Eemian aridity pulse in central Europe during the last glacial inception, nature, vol. 436, 11 August 2005, doi:10.1038/nature03905, pp 833-836.

    extending us perhaps into another post-MPT interglacial, like MIS-11 seems to have been.

    Or it won’t.

    It might leap up into one, two or three thermal excursions, like it often has (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/16/the-end-holocene-or-how-to-make-out-like-a-madoff-climate-change-insurer/), right at an end interglacial! Which low-end post-MPT interglacial “noise” is an order of magnitude above your IPCC AR4 anthropogenic signal.

    Before climate decays into the next glacial. Unless CO2 can prevent that ever happening again.

    Any guesses, Bill, on where the next terminal moraine will ground-out? Assuming, of course, that there will be another……..

  49. Mark Bofill says:
    March 20, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    Does anybody else wonder if McKibben and Hansen and so on are only in this so they can get activist chicks? Not saying they are, just wondering just sayin.

    There was a serious article about 20 years ago arguing that being a demonstrator or activist was a form of male “display,” or strutting ones stuff for the ladies, and that it works. I’ve also read less formal pieces, memoirs or recollections by activists, where access to chicks was mentioned as one of the benefits of their involvement. It certainly worked for choo-choo Pachauri!

  50. I’m not comfortable with this Anthony. Posting pictures of people and inviting personal comments about their appearance descends to the level of pure ad hominem. I also think you are probably asking a bit much if you expect protest placards of any kind to make sense. There just isn’t enough room on one to present a cogent argument. They are like advertisements – written purely to grab attention. Shock value is a good thing in a protest placard.

  51. MattS
    4th coal terminal at Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
    Newcastle is suppossedly largest coal port in the world and the coal exporters want to expand it.
    The fight has gotten a bit dirty lately. The Greens did an air quality study last year and found that air quality sucks due to coal. Of course the study was biased and results are crap.
    Another study last year showed that coal workers at the terminal were 4 times more likely to get cancer than other workers. Of course the study was financed by the Greens so again can be disregarded.
    There is more but it is just Green crap. However the people of Newcastle know where their bread is buttered at least and the Greens are mostly losing.

  52. How dare these “greedy” coal mining companies even consider hiring 100’s of thousand of coal miners and greedily export coal to greedy countries that have the audicty to use this coal to supply electricity to billions of people in a greedy effort to have a functioning economy?

    Sure, China’s annual per capita GDP has greedily increased from $200 to $6,000 since 1980, but now they’re the #1 consumer of fossil fuels and the #1 polluter of CO2! Have they no shame?

    There are Billions of people around the world that make less than $1/day. Why can’t the Chinese stop being so greedy and agree to live in poverty like they did 30 years ago? I mean really! Who do they think they are? What makes them so special? Have they no morals at all?

  53. What insult to native Americans? There is no native American in that photo. Oh wait, you mean the kid wearing the head dress, right? I guess that is kind of an insult to native Americans. Assuming a genuine head dress, of course.

  54. BCBill sounds a lot like Suzuki 40 years ago, and I was there as a 19 year old starry eyed ( non educated, inexperienced puppy).
    Bill it would be wonderful if all the 4 million people living in BC today (women, children, grannies and grand dads, shop keepers, cops, doctors, teachers, nurses, judges, mechanics do you get the point yet? included) would drop everything they are doing and start:
    1 making furniture out of the wood that somebody has to cut down, transport to the as yet not built factory but I digress. We have a resource so we trade for that it may actually put a TV in your living room someday!

  55. ZootCadillac says:
    March 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    I’m doing what? I’ll have you know I have never had relations with any of the seven dwarves* although as a fervent supporter of equal rights I refuse to rule it out in the future.

    *Please be aware of a recent survey that found one out of seven dwarves to be Dopey. That might explain why the McKibbens of the world have no trouble recruiting who they do.

  56. AndyG55 says:
    March 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    “I know one of them (on the left), and you are so correct in your assessment :-)”

    Then you owe it to her, in a “You have Spinach on your teeth” kind of way, to share the other side of the Cosmic Interconnectedness’ …. ‘perception’.

  57. @albertalad –
    Bravo for your comments. That sort of use of First Nations/Native Canadian (or Native American, as far as that goes) symbols is more than preeumptous, it’s insulting beyond belief. The greenies of course won’t admit the dire consequences their agenda will have for people of color – of all colors – everywhere. But then you have to assume that’s what they really want, in their perverse sick sociopathic minds. To hell with those jobs, and to hell with the benefits you work so hard to bring to the rest of us – that’s their mantra.

  58. Chad says:
    @albertalad, bravo.
    I mentioned the same thing earlier. And on top of that a decade or so ( and even longer come to think of it) they also used the Australian and New Zealand and other Pacific Nation native populations the same way. But looking back at this conversation over the last few hours to me (and I apologize for some of the off language I used) it is still a sad commentary that our offspring seems to be not much more advanced than we were 40 years ago, but there is hope my 3 grand kids are beautiful!! Thanks everyone .

  59. Hoo-hah! From a PCBS standpoint, doesn’t your caption regarding “the intelligence of rational, thinking people, and Native Americans as well” imply that Native Americans are not rational, thinking people?

    By the way, anyone born in North America is “native” to that territory. American Indians are aboriginals, meaning their far-distant ancestors arrived here first, but that’s no grounds either for inverse racial snobbery or for the pejorative implication that whites and others are here on aborigines’ sufferance.

    On ‘tother hand, Bill McKibben should be buried neck-deep in an Apache anthill.

  60. As a graduate of Middlebury College I am embarrassed to have my alma mater associated with such anti-scientific ideologues as Bill McKibben. A quick browse of the college’s Experts page shows that enviro-alarmism has completely taken over the campus and curriculum, as faculty are available to discuss such issues as global warming, climate change, carbon neutrality, and carbon offsets. At least McKibben is listed as an activist, and not an expert.

    If I ever have the means to donate to my college I will compose a well crafted letter to explain why I’d rather donate my money to another cause, rather than an institution seemingly dedicated to Bolshevist indoctrination and revolution.

  61. “Ben Wilson says:

    March 20, 2013 at 1:19 pm”

    The number plate on the rear of the car in the picture suggests it is New South Wales. So Newcastle, Australia would be correct as there is a massive coal export terminal there, along with a token wind turbine which Anthony has pictures of. I have never seen it in operation, just lots of ships entering the port empty, and leaving brimming with coal. Most of this coal is burnt in China, and Aussies pay AU$23/tonne CO2 carbon tax.

    “Paul Homewood says:

    March 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm”

    An Australian.

  62. ed mister jones says:
    “Then you owe it to her, in a “You have Spinach on your teeth” kind of way, to share the other side of the Cosmic Interconnectedness’ …. ‘perception’.”

    Well, If I could get her alone for a couple of hours………… ;-)

    Purely for educational purposes of course…

  63. BC Bill says:
    March 20, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    […] You are probably not aware that BC ships a lot of coal, logs, semi-milled wood, minerals and other non or partially processed raw materials.

    Where do they ship them to?

    Exports are a cost to a region, both in terms of using up labor resources and depleting ground resources. So unless BC has the labor resources to produce products from those ground resources that somebody is going to buy, or that they can produce more cheaply than the competition, why bother?

  64. Theo Goodwin says:
    March 20, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    What insult to native Americans? There is no native American in that photo. Oh wait, you mean the kid wearing the head dress, right? I guess that is kind of an insult to native Americans. Assuming a genuine head dress, of course.

    The American revolutionaries who participated in the Boston Tea Party wore Indian garb and headdresses. That’s probably the allusion the protester was making.

  65. I may be in favor of a 4th coal loader, or at least, I’m in favor of using coal, generally, in order to improve human living conditions. I support voluntary free-market trading in commodities, including coal, recognizing that additional loading facilities may be needed to facilitate such trade.

    But I swear never touched Ms. Greedy.

  66. Somebody tell that chick with the headdress that the Village People don’t need a backup because they aren’t around any more.

    Reminds me of the old joke about a furniture place called “Sofa King”. “Our prices are Sofa King low you won’t believe it”. BillM is just “Sofa King” funny sometimes. (PS. If you don’t get it say it out loud fast).

    I wonder if all the electricity generated by coal plants FOR California IN Mexico is done with the same environmental standards that would be required in the USA. And what about all those plants in China? Me thinks not.

  67. BC Bill says: March 20, 2013 at 5:25 pm […] You are probably not aware that BC ships a lot of coal, logs, semi-milled wood, minerals and other non or partially processed raw materials.

    policycritic says: March 21, 2013 at 4:22 am: Where do they ship them to? Exports are a cost to a region, both in terms of using up labor resources and depleting ground resources. So unless BC has the labor resources to produce products from those ground resources that somebody is going to buy, or that they can produce more cheaply than the competition, why bother?

    Policycritic, you must admit that if any of the raw materials that were extracted from the ground in British Columbia were to be processed in BC into other products with added value for the consumer, then the industries which converted those materials would need to consume a lot of energy and to generate a lot of waste, doing so in ways that are probably at odds with Canada’s environmental protection policies, if the conversion had to be done at a cost which is comparable with that of BC’s foreign competitors.

    How could you justify running any those kinds of material conversion industries in British Columbia knowing the kind of environmental damage that would result?

    If you don’t like what the extractive industries are doing to BC, then shut them all down. The easy way to do that is with a resource separation tax set at whatever rate is needed to prevent the extracted raw materials from being competitively priced on world markets. This is an approach for saving British Columbia from the rape-ruin-and-run miners and loggers that most of BC’s politicians would find very easy to support.

  68. Greenies, Progressives, Leftists – they’re all nihilists, although they won’t admit it.
    In their “world view,” limited as it is, they romantically see a better future if they annihilate everything that they consider as “status quo.”
    They have no logical or legitimate plans for the future, except for some vague idea that things will be better if all current structures (physical, political and economic) are destroyed. Again, they have no post-destruction plans except perhaps for their own control of the world.

    They are idiots.

  69. Mark Bofill says:March 20, 2013
    “Does anybody else wonder if McKibben and Hansen and so on are only in this so they can get activist chicks? Not saying they are, just wondering just sayin.”

    “activist, clueless, mindless chicks” There, fixed it.

  70. Maybe next time these young activists will try protesting while wearing blackface, just to mix it up a little in the insult department.

  71. Ian H says:
    March 20, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    I’m not comfortable with this Anthony. Posting pictures of people and inviting personal comments about their appearance descends to the level of pure ad hominem. I also think you are probably asking a bit much if you expect protest placards of any kind to make sense. There just isn’t enough room on one to present a cogent argument. They are like advertisements – written purely to grab attention. Shock value is a good thing in a protest placard.

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    We’re just laughing at the clowns. What’s wrong with that?

  72. Gunga Din says:
    We’re just laughing at the clowns. What’s wrong with that?

    If that was your daughter in the picture how would you feel?

  73. While we are on the subject of cultural understanding, remember that these are Australian chicks. In Australia the word “fucking” is so common it is practically used in polite conversation. We are talking about a nation that ran an advertising campaign to attract tourists using the slogan So where the bloody hell are you? . Americans tend to be seriously uptight when it comes to swearing. Don’t apply American cultural expectations to Australians in Australia.

  74. @ Beta Blocker, Please do not put any more sofa king bad ideas in to BCBill’s head as we are going into an election with the “Democratic ” party looking to re-place the current Liberal (capitalistic side of things) Party. The last time that happened we ended up having the worst economy ever. They taxed us to death (well ok ok almost I’m still around) and a lot of international companies pulled out to wait for a better “climate” and a really big dip happened 15-18 years or so ago. Now, although we suffered here as most countries have in the past 5 years, we are doing better than most. A NDP (New Democratic Party) government could bring the the economy to a halt. What BCBill seems to forget as mentioned before there are only 4 million men, women and children living here to keep things going and most of them are needed for just day to day life (schools, hospitals, shops, roads, etc, etc.).
    I wonder how many would be available for added manufacturing with those resources? as you mentioned!
    British Columbia Canada is a really really big place for just 4 million people!( sort of Aussie like) We need the royalties from said resources to keep our head above water but if we get enough we will expand the other “second” industries. We have seen that in our tourist and wine industries for instance.

  75. Ian H says:
    March 21, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Gunga Din says:
    We’re just laughing at the clowns. What’s wrong with that?

    If that was your daughter in the picture how would you feel?

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    IF it was my daughter, I’d still love her but I’d be ashamed of her.
    But my daughter has more sense.

  76. Bill McKibben… I’m going to borrow his tactic and depart from science for a moment and discuss his character.

    A self-aggrandizing, political whore for the left who doesn’t have the self-respect to think for himself—but keeps putting bandaids on his rubeGoldberg kluge of a computer-predicted climate when it continues to fail, and continues to stridently decry anyone and anything which his political masters oppose, lending his scientific “expertise” to their cause. I’m sure that he thinks he’s really a nice guy, and believes he’s doing the right thing.

    But he’s a whore for those who would put the rest of us in chains, using “global warming” as the reason that, reluctantly, they must. For our own good. Because they’re so much wiser about what’s best for us than we are.

    Stephen Scheider—remember that name? was another of his ilk…if you read HIS work (he was originally a mechanical engineer by training…who said he was a “climatologist”? He started calling himself that before there was such a thing. If I call myself the worlds first left-handed fronambulator, does that translate to anything of value in the real world? And just what are the minimum requirements to call yourself such, I do wanna know—but I digress…), Stephen Schnieder was one of the most strident in warning of “the coming ice age” back in the ’70s. And in the late ’80s, switched to warming, and from what I’ve read of his work, not because he had any “road to Damascus” kind of conversion, but because warming, over ice age, was the new fad. Read his Wikipedia entry; it’ll sicken you how they so transparently try to make his lies for him. Even the quotes they use point up that he was nothing but an opportunistic hack who loved the spotlight…like all these doomcrying pondscum. What are Hansen’s creds? Supposedly that he’s the leading scientist on the climate of the planet Venus.

    Not sure how that translates to Earth; Venus has no plate tectonics, an atmosphere completely different from Earth, no moon to moderate any precession in her obliquity, a slow rotation rate, no magnetic field to speak of (see rotation rate, thought to be the cause of that, but unproven)—in short, nothing in common with Earth except solar system. Oh, and James Hansen has never been there to verify any of his theories…I’m guessing he had one or two, though I’ve yet to run across one. Obviously an obscure part of his curriculum vitae, that it’s not better documented. We’ve had much fewer probes to Venus than we’ve had to Mars, and see how little we know of the Martian climate—so I have to ask: what was so revolutionary about Hansen’s work with Venus that makes him sooooo worth listening to about Earth? From where I sit, he’s an expert in nothing and thus a self-proclaimed expert in Earth climate…with an academic pedigree better than McKibben’s. So why listen to either of them?

    Bah. They’re all poseurs, not scientists. And McKibben’s descent into vulgarity and politics should be the clinching argument that his opinions about science are worth nothing. True science is apolitical and impersonal.

    But hey, this IS the group who believes in science by consensus, not scientific method.

  77. I’m the mother of the girl who made and carried the sign and I’m proud of her. Yes we live in a coal economy and the issues around Terminal 4 in Newcastle Australia are complex. I won’t go into my own views here. But I’m glad my daughter and her friends are taking an interest in the world around them, forming views and taking action. They are 15 years old, in middle high school and I hope they have many years of concerned, engaged citizenship ahead of them. As for the language on the sign – it sure attracted attention to the issue, and it was straight from the heart. You go girls! Xxx mum.

  78. Louise says:
    March 24, 2013 at 2:33 pm
    I’m the mother of the girl who made and carried the sign and I’m proud of her. ………………. As for the language on the sign – it sure attracted attention to the issue, and it was straight from the heart.

    You should explain to her that profanity is a sign of a weak mind. Yes, it attracts attention, but not the right kind, as witnessed by this thread.

  79. you people say if you knew these girls you’d be ashamed. Your ignorance and stupidity is hard to fathom, can two girls not express their opinions without causing worldwide controversy. this amount of coal consumption and destruction of nature cannot be brought down to anything but simply greed. NO other reason excuses their actions. These girls are speaking out about something they believe in something you all should believe in, preserving the precious nature we have, protecting our water and farmland and you say they are clearly not educated properly. They probably know more about the issue than you do. so keep your narrow-minded comments to yourself in the future please.

    • @Jerry & Louise – an idiot can spout profanity. It does not take intelligence, and usually is an indication of the lack of it. Children, upon learning profanity, often use it for the shock value. But they are shocking their friends – other children, not rational adults – who were also children once as well – and grew up.

      As gacooke points out, no one is saying the children should be shot, arrested, tried or convicted. However, the comments do indicate a consensus that about the only thing those children are learning is how to be ignorant and remain immature.

      They are garnering the exact opposite of what their mother apparently hoped them to achieve. If that warrants accolades, then they will never succeed in life as failure seems to be their goal.

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