72 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. One comment only in the past hour? Hey, maybe the world did end yesterday.

    [Reply: Saturday evenings are typically slow. — mod.]

  2. I’m watching the UK’s wind generation figures. At the moment (10 at night, damn cold outside) the windmills are producing .03GW from a rated capacity of over 8GW. The big high (Anthony, I still think of it as the synoptic chart which rather dates me) extends over much of Europe and it would be interesting to know what the whole windmill fleet is producing. I’m burning wood, coal and gas to keep the house warm.

    JF

  3. Does anyone have a link to diagrams, equations, and accompanying text explaining how heat is transferred between different layers of the surface/atmosphere? I’m thinking of something that would be closely related to the GCM algorithms, though not necessarily in full detail.

  4. Trenberth’s sketch of radiation in, radiation reflected, and radiation absorbed, radiation out is “sort of” correct.

    For an ideal flat earth that doesn’t rotate and has a perfect atmosphere that is constantly exposed to a constant average flux radiating into a perectly “average” global albedo of uiform mass properties.

    in other words, totally useless in a rotating real world of real atmosphere and water-covered world.

  5. By the way, more than 990,000 comments so far.

    Less than 10,000 to get to 1.0 million comments on WUWT. (And probably 250,000 spam’s.)

  6. I have been wondering about something for a while.
    1) SST’s have remained somewhat constant for a while.
    2) The Argo float system shows minimal or no heating down to 700m and very little heat gain down to 2000 m.
    3) The belief is (among many) that most increases in sea level is due to thermal expansion and glacial run off.
    4) Despite the fact that there has been little evidence of increase in heat in the worlds oceans in the last decade, topex has shown a somewhat steady rise in sea level over the last decade with the exception of a decrease in 2010 (believed to be due to a La Nina event) and then a sudden increase to get back to the same rate of rise.

    Anyone care to comment on what seems to me to be a paradox?

  7. jorgekafkazar says:
    March 2, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Does anyone have a link to diagrams, equations, and accompanying text explaining how heat is transferred between different layers of the surface/atmosphere? I’m thinking of something that would be closely related to the GCM algorithms, though not necessarily in full detail.

    http://scienceofdoom.com/ has tons of technical stuff with a good index that makes it easy to find what you’re looking for.

    It isn’t easy to find stuff at http://stevemosher.wordpress.com/ but I’ve seen some excellent work there.

  8. Get ready for more (missing) climate refugees. 3,2,1……………..

    US Generals warn of climate change dangers

    “If we have difficulty figuring out how to deal with immigration today, look at the prospects for the glacial retreats in the Andes,” said R. James Woolsey, former head of the CIA, at an event to launch the letter.

    “The glaciers are not doing well…If that starts to go away, we will have millions upon millions of southern neighbours hungry, thirsty, with crops failing and looking for some place in the world they can go,” he said.

    http://www.rtcc.org/us-generals-warn-of-climate-change-dangers/

    Did I see the CIA? The very Central Unintelligent Agency that worried about the dangers of global cooling in the 1970s? Surely not, I must be having hallucinations.

    How on Earth can the US of A produce such imbeciles?

  9. Global warming seems to be on hold in the UK. The Central England Temperature (CET) for the winter, as measured by the Met Office, was 3.83 degrees C. This was the 4th winter out of the last 5 with a value below the 1961-90 average of 4.08, which is the period used by the Met Office in its comparisons. The most recent 30-year period of whole decades (1981-2010) had an average of 4.56 C

    2009 3.54
    2010 2.41
    2011 3.02
    2012 5.12
    2013 3.83

    This is the most consistent run of cold winters since 4 in a row from 1962 to 1965.

    The 12-month running mean of the CET is 9.49 C which apart from a short period in 2010-11 is the lowest since 1997.

    The Met Office’s theme that, despite year-to-year fluctuations, each decade is warmer than the last, still holds true – just! The running 120-month mean up to February 2013 is 10.19 degrees, just above the 10.16 degrees up to February 2003. However, this is almost certain to come to an end by August this year, bringing the curtain down on 23 years of increasing decadal temperatures. This figure reached a peak of 10.51 in the 10 years ending in June 2007, which included the hottest 12-month period in the whole 350 year record of 11.63 degrees to April 2007.

  10. Well, technically it “was” CAGW that stopped the influx of illegal aliens into the US.

    The deliberate destruction of the global and US economies under the democrat/liberal/socialist agenda of CAGW-dominated energy destruction policies destroyed the construction and cheap-labor jobs that the illegals had been occupying, and – with no jobs – the illegals stopped coming north into a better economy.

    Now, whether any specific “general or CIA-head who is politically-hired and under politically-corrupt (er, correct) pay-for-positions in the administration is trustworthy? Do you

    Well, let us say that I will only trust a political statement from somebody who is NOT employed – now or in the future – because of their politics.

  11. OK, here is my take on what is happening in the global warming ‘climate change’ debate.

    The weather ‘climate’ has changed and so have Warmist predictions. All entirely consistent with the speculation, hypothesis, theory of global warming climate change. I hope I have made myself clear.

    What a fraud.

  12. I was checking up on post Hurricane Sandy repairs in New York City
    The Queens-Midtown tunnel was reopened Nov. 9, about 12 days after Sandy.
    The Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel was was partially reopened on Nov. 13 and more completely (not yet trucks) on Nov. 20.

    So all in all, the recover time was remarkable. But some things will take longer:

    Jan. 18, 2013: South Ferry station repair estimate: 3 years, $600 million

    The Manhattan subway station closed after Hurricane Sandy will take a lot longer to repair than originally estimated, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal.
    In November, officials tentatively assigned a $600 million price tag to rebuilding the station, and as late as mid-December there was still no timeline on the project. Now, Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials say they will secure contractors to rebuild the station sometime this year, and that full repairs could take as long as two more years after that, according to the Journal.

    The $600 million estimate has not moved [no doubt it will], the Associated Press added, specifying $350 million for “physical repairs”, $200 million to replace salt-corroded signals, $30 million for the station’s third rail, and $20 million for “line equipment”.

    On the Statan Island and Brooklyn fronts, add forclosures to the list of problems. On May 1 the rules change.

    The federal government has imposed a moratorium on certain foreclosure activity on loans that meet specific criteria. But on May 1, those protections are scheduled to expire and banks will be free to move forward with foreclosure proceedings, sales and evictions. Many homeowners do not know whether they will even be back in their homes by then.

    There is an interesting graphic in this Feb. 28 story.

  13. @Stephen Rasey, That was before the union’s estimate AND Chris Cristie’s call to obama.

  14. February sunspot number was released, and is only 38.0. (www.ips..gov.au/Solar)

    At this rate of decline, soon children will only know about sunspots by reading about them in books.

  15. Re: immigration slowdown or reversal in the U.S. (same also in the U.K.) — besides the more obvious explanations based on the decline of the host economy, it appears that there is a limit on the number of immigrants that any settled society can accommodate. The newcomers have to compete not only with the natives but also with the less recent immigrants who have already filled all available niches.

    For the lovers of temperature records, here’s one from Calcutta: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21630309

  16. On Friday, NYTimes.com announced: “The Times is discontinuing the Green blog, which was created to track environmental and energy news and to foster lively discussion of developments in both areas.” The reality must be that people don’t read it, and people simply don’t find global warming a scintillating subject. So much for the notion it’s the “story of the century.”

  17. It appears that rank political activism has moved into the “fringe science” movements. This may be a clever move to co-opt even what it views as “pseudo-science” in order to track the sociological circulation of the popularity of beliefs and direct them towards the solutions discussed on this thread:

    http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/pollution_sacrifice_democracy.png.

    That is, the Global Cooling/Global Warming/Sustainability scientific doomsday merchants.

    (By rank political activism, I also mean the effort to use science, fear, and youthful naivite to bring down important sectors of the economy, and to push the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the World Bank.)

    This is a highly utilitarian and extremely aggressive movement, which does not permit differences or dissent, or varying points of view, even within so-called “alternative” science. All science, and all pseudo-science as well, must serve the doctrines of the collectivists. It is a brutal and rude bunch that quickly polices the discussions, even in “alternative science.” I have been attacked, cussed at and banned by these people several times now, where there used to be respected differences.

  18. There is a great article on CNN that puts the energy debate into sharp perspective:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/01/world/cnnheroes-solar-suitcase/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

    A cholera outbreak in the Congo resulted in 0 deaths at a local hospital rather than the usual 50% death rate. The difference? Solar powered lighting that allowed doctors to diagnose and treat patients even when it was dark out. They didn’t even have enough beds in the hospital, 15 of them were outside on the ground. Just the presence of that one light source for that one brief period in time saved lives, a lot of lives.

    Can you imagine the difference in quality of life, infant mortality, and longevity if they had cheap power 24×7 to produce light on demand, sterilize medical instruments, provide safe drinking water and so much more?

    But in order to “save” them, the “do gooders” want to sentence them to short miserable life spans.

  19. Food for the mind: Once you reject logic (truth) and distort the facts to accommodate your theory you will in time run into many problems. You will have to fabricate the ‘facts’ to support your theory. Usually your credibility will go down with it. An open mind with a penchant for truth always has to be adopted. If the theory becomes the predominate part of your mind set then that is one of the first mistakes. If you are continually confronted with facts and information which is challenging and possibly disproving your theory you will have to make adjustments, like distorting the information or reject the fact as you perceive them to be wrong. A disaster awaits. If you reject proper logic and train your mind to function that way, you are really becoming illogical, then you have entered into delusional territory. You are in fact interfering with your cognitive process. Or worse you are tampering with how you mind processes information which will have huge negative repercussions.

    Once money becomes a major influence in science it corrupts the process and ceases to become true science. How many great scientific discoveries have been made on a shoe-string budget.

    If an accountant or banker fudges the figures to cover his indulgences he will eventually get caught and convicted. The global warming propagandists get found out, caught cooking the books but it doesn’t matter‼! There is no accountability. Where does that leave science?

    I believe this is why some people will hang on to what theory they want regardless of the facts (truth).

  20. Texas is a right-minded red state, where patriotism is still a virtue and political correctness is out of vogue. So how on earth have left-wing educators in public classrooms been allowed to instruct Lone Star students to dress in Islamic garb, call the 9/11 jihadists “freedom fighters” and treat the Boston Tea Party participants as “terrorists”?

    Here’s the dirty little secret: Despite the best efforts of vigilant parents, teachers and administrators committed to academic excellence, progressive activists reign supreme in government schools.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/03/01/rotten-to-the-core-part-iii-lessons-from-texas-and-the-growing-grassroots-revolt/

    It seems like fighting the Common Core is a David vs. Goliath proposition. It’s even more frustrating when the Common Core was approved behind closed doors and implemented without public knowledge. It’s frustrating when the media hardly discusses it, and when they do it’s typically slanted in favor of the Common Core. It’s disheartening to see all of the big money lining up behind the Common Core. Today I had a parent in Arkansas contact me. Arkansas, like my home state of Iowa, has adopted the Common Core with zero public input and is currently doing nothing about it.

    http://truthinamericaneducation.com/common-core-state-standards/how-to-fight-the-common-core/

  21. Other Andy
    Thank you for your reply
    The value I have for sea level rise is about 3.1mm yr-1 and a GIA of about 0.3 mm yr-1
    + or – about 50% Not large enough to account for what I am describing.
    Are there figures for total volume of glacial melt?
    I read one study where the rise of sea level may be 42% from run off from land (not melt)
    I personally believe one of the worst outcomes of the this whole AGW venture is that we will be overlooking what are serious problems. None more that water: where it is, where it isn’t and what is in it. The water table is definitely getting lower due to usage, In Minnesota (here) there is significantly more rapid run off due to land usage. For a long time requests have been made in southern US regions to pipe water from the Great Lakes and elsewhere. It does not make the news unless it is somehow associated with climate change.

  22. I ran across an interesting set of videos from the Santa Fe Conference regarding the science of climate. Not even video on the page is from the conference, but down toward the bottom of the page you’ll see the videos from the conference.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ccb5649/videos

    Look for: Third Santa Fe Conference on Global and Regional Climate Variability, October 31-November 4, 2011.

    Of interest is the videos where several of the scientists address the IPCC assumptions regarding “Climate Change” and why they feel the assumptions are flawed.

  23. davidmhoffer says, March 2, 2013 at 7:40 pm: “There is a great article on CNN that puts the energy debate into sharp perspective: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/01/world/cnnheroes-solar-suitcase/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
    A cholera outbreak in the Congo resulted in 0 deaths at a local hospital rather than the usual 50% death rate. The difference? Solar powered lighting that allowed doctors to diagnose and treat patients even when it was dark out. They didn’t even have enough beds in the hospital, 15 of them were outside on the ground. Just the presence of that one light source for that one brief period in time saved lives, a lot of lives.

    =============================================================

    The story is a complete BS: “…At night, Stachel said, the doctor would take the solar suitcase outside and use it to tend to his patients and treat them with intravenous medications.” To treat cholera no expensive solar suitcase is necessary, a flashlight is absolutely sufficient (e.g. this one for $3.95 http://www.amazon.com/Kaito-KA5LED-Dynamo-5-LED-Flashlight/dp/B000E3WIA8/ref=cm_lmf_img_5/175-1365934-5978433), provided you have the necessary medicament. If you do not have the necessary medicament, no light will help, because you can not treat the patients at all without the medicament.

    This is how the cholera treatment is described on the WHO site: “Cholera is an easily treatable disease. The prompt administration of oral rehydration salts to replace lost fluids nearly always results in cure. In especially severe cases, intravenous administration of fluids may be required to save the patient’s life. Left untreated, however, cholera can kill quickly following the onset of symptoms. …”.

  24. DarrylB says:
    March 2, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Anyone care to comment on what seems to me to be a paradox?

    It would be my guess that sea level isn’t rising as reported. Measuring sea level change is one of the most difficult parameters of this planet to quantify. Frankly, I don’t trust it. There is no paradox if the measurement is simply wrong.

  25. Ian H says:
    March 2, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    Animal Rights activists hound a police officer who shot a 4 metre greater white shark that killed a man and was eating his body.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8374184/Shark-shooting-cop-goes-into-hiding

    Only an animal rights activist could hear of a man being killed by a shark and have more sympathy for the shark than the man.
    =======================================================================
    That police officer is a brave man.
    You notice the activists are not offering themselves as shark food or polar bear bait.

  26. “Ian H says:

    March 2, 2013 at 1:20 pm”

    I don’t support the activities of these animal rights activists (I wish they would focus on real animal cruelty problems in the world – I can show you a video that would haunt you for life, it certainly has me), but the Police Officer really didn’t need to shoot (And kill?) the shark. A human body, splashing about, in the sea, wearing a wetsuit looks like dinner (Seal) to a shark.

  27. Other_Andy says: March 2, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    @DarrylB Have you taken account of the glacial isostatic adjustment (GIA)?

    The GIA is totally bogus, so much so that the Colorado U folks have now moved their explanation off the front page and buried it back on the FAQ page. The only possible excuse for a GIA is that it moves the overall rate back up to the 3.1 mm/yr they had been having a harder and harder time selling to the public. The displayed chart also includes an inverse barometer adjustment, another knob to fudge their results with. Given that the total weight of the atmosphere doesn’t change, and their sea level value is for the whole planet, it’s hard to see it as anything other than another fudge.

    Neither adjustment helps us know where the sea level might be in the coming years, the main reason for keeping track of it. The raw/real data is around somewhere, but they’ve made it difficult to use.

  28. The people who think they’re controlling all of our lives, who are all into those religious prophesies, the Illumi… and the Free Maso…, especially with the recent Pope activity crap. They think they’ll have their little self fulling prophesy by actually making it happen and dazzling the sheeple. Well, I have another thing lined up for them. It’s called Solar Cycle 24. Look it up.

  29. RE: Julian Flood says:
    March 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Dark, calm and cold? Wind turbines producing next to nothing? I doubt the solar panels are doing more than collecting snow, either. The wisdom of the EU energy policy seems much like the wisdom of China’s “Great Leap Forward.”

    It irks the heck out of me. Besides splitting wood, the only way to vent my temper is to write a rant, so I wrote “The Great Leap Backwards.”

    http://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/the-great-leap-backwards/

  30. Even Huffington Post, one of the biggest promoters of Global Warming , is questioning man-made Climate Blame;
    ” As for Planet Earth, a paper published Thursday in the journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution suggests that while human society does a very thorough job of modifying and, often enough, permanently and abruptly changing the dynamics of local and regional ecosystems, the collective impact of all this on a planetary scale is too often overstated. ”

    Tipping Points: Can Humanity Break The Planet?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-zeller-jr/global-tipping-points_b_2793154.html#comments

  31. Gene Selkov says:

    March 2, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    Re: immigration slowdown or reversal in the U.S. (same also in the U.K.) —

    It’s only slowed a little until 2015 when the UK will be open to the whole of europe. All the criminals who are currently causing severe problems in germany’s cities will be able to go to the UK and claim as much benefit as they like including child, cars, invalid, unemployment etc. I would not want to be in the UK after 2015 and I won’t be.

  32. but the Police Officer really didn’t need to shoot (And kill?) the shark.

    A lot of cultures require a whole body for burial. They take it quite badly when the body is not recovered. Even cultures, like mine, more relaxed about such things, prefer a body in one piece. A shark chewing a body makes a big mess.

    One flaming shark. New Zealand slaughter millions of chickens, pigs, sheep and cows every year, and then some fuss about one flaming shark.

    People eat shark regularly BTW.

  33. Totally irrelevant question …
    What is your favourite WUWT headline?
    Mine has to be the “Coochey Coup” headline regarding the non-death threat against Australian climate ‘scientists’.
    I sometimes think that Anthony was wasted on science. Should have been a sub-editor for a dodgy tabloid paper….

  34. I was reading an article a week or so ago about the big oil scare in 1977 when US president, Jimmy Carter made a speech in which he said that (especially) oil, coal and gas would run out within a few years and civilisation as we knew it would have to change. The article went on to say that vast reserves of oil and gas have been discovered in locations where technologically it was impossible to extract them in the seventies, but now technology has advanced and we can utilise these reserves, and apparently there is much more to be exploited than in the whole history of mankind
    Since we are taught that oil and gas come originally from living thing, then presumably these living things needed CO2 because that is the basis of all life on Earth. My point is that because these fossil fuels were all created at round about the same time; does that not imply that the CO2 in the atmosphere was a lot higher than today and that since the Earth is a closed system, releasing the CO2 by burning these products cannot cause a runaway greenhouse effect, because I would not be sat at my PC typing this if there was? When you also factor in the billions of tons of sedimentary and metamorphic rocks, which also have captured CO2 from the same closed system, then this must completely demolish the CAGW theory. Or am I missing something?

  35. Jimbo says:

    March 2, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Not only has Germany had 5 colder than average winters, but so has the UK, apparently.

    The Central England Temperature trends for for September, October, November December, January and Februeary are all falling by up to 2ºC since 2006!

  36. Caleb says:

    March 3, 2013 at 12:55 am

    RE: Julian Flood says:
    March 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Dark, calm and cold? Wind turbines producing next to nothing? I doubt the solar panels are doing more than collecting snow, either. The wisdom of the EU energy policy seems much like the wisdom of China’s “Great Leap Forward.”

    It irks the heck out of me. Besides splitting wood, the only way to vent my temper is to write a rant, so I wrote “The Great Leap Backwards.”

    How are your panels performing Anthony?

  37. “Mooloo says:

    March 3, 2013 at 1:35 am”

    Last time I checked sharks were not bread in captivity for human consumption, unlike the animals you list. Unlike the animals you list sharks are the “scavengers” of the sea. The animals you list are not. The animals you list are, slaughtered, in a humane way in NZ (So we are told). And there are people who fish shark, cut off the fins, and then the rest is discarded because “Shark Fin Soup” is such a delicacy.

    I understand the loss, but the “victim” (Must have known?) knew the risks, albeit rare.

  38. andrewmharding says:
    March 3, 2013 at 2:35 am
    ” Or am I missing something?”

    No, you aren’t. The Runaway Global Warming theory is junk; we should see localized runaway warming already and all the time in places with an ample supply of moisture and CO2 and high temperatures – as diurnal variations are far bigger than the expected Global Warming to 2100.

    Instead, we see thunderstorms followed by a cooling. The Global Warming conjecture is obviously not factual.

  39. RE: Kelvin Vaughan says:
    March 3, 2013 at 3:00 am

    I’d be interested in the results of Anthony’s experiment as well. I’m not against experiments, and I’m thinking of trying out a solar-powered electric fence for my far pasture to keep my rowdy goats at bay.

    However Europe’s “experiment” is based on what seems to me to be psuedo science, and in some ways reminds me of the “science” of Trofim Lysenko. If my personal experiment fails I only harm myself (and my neighbor’s roses, which my goats occationally like to sample.) Europe’s experiment is hurting millions with “fuel poverty” which is completely avoidable.

  40. Interested in learning more about liquid thorium reactors (LTR). Have visited here http://energyfromthorium.com/ and one of their proponents of using LTRs is of course less CO2 emitted. Anyone else aware of research in this field? Will check back later now I’m off to the PDAC mining show to perhaps see Mr. McIntyre and find out what the hell is happening to all my gold stocks—sigh

  41. Ian H said “Animal Rights activists hound a police officer who shot a 4 metre greater white shark that killed a man and was eating his body”.

    I notice the BBC has just pronounced that “The most accurate assessment to date of the impact of commercial fishing on sharks suggests around 100 million [sharks] are being killed each year …”
    source – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21629173

    I think there has to be something suspect about these BBC figures – unless Willis has been working double shifts again ;-). Where are all the bodies – sharks are about 5 meters long so 100 million of them end-to end would stretch 500,000 Km, about 10 times round the equator!

    However, if one accepts the BBC figures the Animal Rights activists were complaining about 0.01 millionths of the annual commercial cull. Rather less than the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere – but I suppose one has to start somewhere!

  42. From Bishop Hill “The Great Still”

    “Commenters have been noting the preposterously low output of the wind fleet at the moment – currently generating about 0.4GW or a tenth of one percent of demand.”

    http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/3/2/the-great-still.html

    “The environmentalist argument is that by use of smart grids we can import wind power generated in other parts of Europe ”

    One big problem

    “a look at the current windspeed map for Europe suggests there may be a flaw in this plan”

  43. Jimbo says:
    March 2, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    Get ready for more (missing) climate refugees. 3,2,1……………..

    US Generals warn of climate change dangers

    “If we have difficulty figuring out how to deal with immigration today, look at the prospects for the glacial retreats in the Andes,” said R. James Woolsey, former head of the CIA, at an event to launch the letter.

    “The glaciers are not doing well…If that starts to go away, we will have millions upon millions of southern neighbours hungry, thirsty, with crops failing and looking for some place in the world they can go,” he said.

    http://www.rtcc.org/us-generals-warn-of-climate-change-dangers/

    Did I see the CIA? The very Central Unintelligent Agency that worried about the dangers of global cooling in the 1970s? Surely not, I must be having hallucinations.

    How on Earth can the US of A produce such imbeciles?

    ANSWER: Public education

  44. michaelwiseguy says:
    March 3, 2013 at 1:21 am

    [i]Even Huffington Post, one of the biggest promoters of Global Warming , is questioning man-made Climate Blame;
    ” As for Planet Earth, a paper published Thursday in the journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution suggests that while human society does a very thorough job of modifying and, often enough, permanently and abruptly changing the dynamics of local and regional ecosystems, the collective impact of all this on a planetary scale is too often overstated. ”[/i]

    Tipping Points: Can Humanity Break The Planet?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-zeller-jr/global-tipping-points_b_2793154.html#comments

    Read the comments. One blogger might have spoken some sense, but the thousand and more comments indicate that the audience at Huffington is not buying it.

  45. Can anyone point me to a place where I can get the graph of actual global temperature over recent time with the four IPCC reports’ best estimates each starting on that line and then the predictions all tracking well above the measured temps?

  46. DarrylB says:
    March 2, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    About ten years ago Walter Munk published a paper in Science that suggested the distribution of tidal stations provided an upward bias on sea level trend measurements. In effect he found the distribution of tidal stations was overly sensitive to ocean thermal expansion. I have wondered similarly if most global data sets, including things like GCN, ARGO and the ocean level measuring satellites, do not possess unresolved or even unrecognized biases. We are looking at rather small signals in most cases in which very small bias has a major impact.

  47. Out of consideration for the WUWT community that enjoys reading and writing comments here, I’d like to ask a general opinion question.

    When trolls such as JP or Martin A. show up on Willis’s autobiography threads to take a dump, would you rather see them answered or ignored?

    Clearly, after the upteenth repetition of

    WARNING: More South Pacific adventures follow. There is a button below marked “Continue Reading –>”. If you choose to push it, please do not complain that what you found thereafter was not science, but instead more of my curious global peregrinations … there’s plenty more science to be enjoyed on the site for those so inclined.

    or similar verbiage, it’s clear that anyone who raises the ‘what’s the relevance of this how does this relate to climate’ is either not paying attention or is perfectly aware of the disclaimer and is just looking for a fight or to be disruptive. I hate giving a troll what he wants. I argue with the c/AGW climate trolls because I refuse to allow their drivel to go unanswered and I’ve got no particular intention of stopping that, short of a direct request from our host or his mods, but in this case, these guys obviously want a fight and nothing much else. They aren’t really out to make any particular point. Being the agreeable fellow that I am (/sarc), I’m always glad to have an argument, but consideration for others trying to enjoy the comments on the thread gives me pause when I feel inclined to open fire.
    So what do you guys think? Ignore them or let’em have it? I don’t promise to follow the advice you give, but I’d be grateful to hear it nonetheless.
    Best regards to the WUWT community in general,
    Mark

  48. Caleb says:

    March 3, 2013 at 5:17 am

    RE: Kelvin Vaughan says:
    March 3, 2013 at 3:00 am

    I’d be interested in the results of Anthony’s experiment as well. I’m not against experiments, and I’m thinking of trying out a solar-powered electric fence for my far pasture to keep my rowdy goats at bay.

    However Europe’s “experiment” is based on what seems to me to be psuedo science, and in some ways reminds me of the “science” of Trofim Lysenko. If my personal experiment fails I only harm myself (and my neighbor’s roses, which my goats occationally like to sample.) Europe’s experiment is hurting millions with “fuel poverty” which is completely avoidable.

    Have you seen these Caleb?

    http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwopopcnsaglobal2000report10mar81.shtml

    http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.htmlhttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread382968/pg1

    http://www.infowars.com/club-of-rome-behind-eco-fascist-purge-to-criminalize-climate-skepticism/

  49. Ian H and the shark attack.

    self abnegation, of ones own kind and ultimately oneself, is an emergent property of liberalism.

    In the USA an incident has just occurred at a school where a pupil brandished a loaded gun and threatened yet another multiple shooting. He was tackled by two other, unarmed students and no one was hurt.

    The two unarmed students have now been suspended and are under investigation.

  50. …how about (as someone else has suggested above) they attend to real animal cruelty.

    I dont mean the Chinese “alternative medicine” industry keeping bears in cages compressed like the hoaxe cube-cat (evil, sick and worthy of attention though that be)…no I refer to cruelty against another animal, human beings. Gender, female. Millions of whom have their external genitalia sliced off and sewn shut every year.

    Indeed, if Eco-Warriors really gave a shit for human well-being there are too many horrors in the present to allow them the luxury of agonising over a hypothetical future.

  51. Just watched the BBC/UK Met forecast for 5 days ahead with a review of the winter 12/13. Rain 105%, sun 98% ” all normal” and temperatures 0.4C below normal quote “just a nudge”. Funny that. 0.4C above we are all going to die, stop driving the car and heating the house. 0.4C below “just a nudge”. What scumbags.

  52. TimC…Re figures on BBC, there is a tendency among those who work in the media to add or subtract magnitudes according to what “seems” right onthe basis of, well, what exactly but ignorant assumption. The funniest is when orbital vehicles are occasionally referred to as travelling at about 1,700 mph, because I suppose 17000 mph…well that just cannot be can it!

    Editors are among the worst. I once referred in an item to someone being “interred” (literally, in the earth, buried, dead) and my editor changed it to “interned”.

    Bad enough once, but in an otherwise excellent book, Disasters in Manned Spaceflight by David Shayler (presumably not THE David Shayler, as this one knew some things) there were dozens of these editing idiocies, including that Yurui Gagarin was “interned” in a wall.

  53. Wamron said: Editors are among the worst. I once referred in an item to someone being “interred” (literally, in the earth, buried, dead) and my editor changed it to “interned”.

    Thanks Wamron – not being a journalist of any kind I didn’t realise the sort of thing you mention happened: I thought it was just sloppiness with figures!

    I did like your “interred” example – reminds me of a wonderful Limerick I heard many years ago (Mods – just a little slack please!):

    “There was a young fellow from Ryde,
    Who fell down a sewer and died.
    The next day his brother
    fell down another,
    and now they’re interred side by side.”

    Says it all really …!

    • There was a young lady from Ryde.
      She ate some green apples and died.
      The apples fermented
      Inside the lamented
      And made cider inside her insides.

  54. TIMC…I am not a “proper” journalist, but I was a magazine columnist. My experience of that period and the “characters” on the publication have added substance to my general observations of the MSM. I typically think of the time that, rather than phone or E-mail me about my writing, the editor made up a comment from a fictitious reader to put in the “readers letters” section, which at that time, literally contained only fabricated letters from invented people.

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