Guest post by Alan Caruba
You likely did not read much, if anything, in the mainstream press about the climate change conference that was held in Doha, Qatar. The same applies to television and radio news. These are the folks who introduced the Kyoto Protocols in 1997 with the intention to reduce greenhouse gas emissions said to be causing global warming. The U.S. Senate unanimously rejected them in an exercise of good sense we don’t always associate with that august body.
COP18, shorthand for the Conference of Parties, brought together under the aegis of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), was especially devious. Thanks to the Committee for A Constructive Tomorrow those of us keeping an eye on these charlatans, intent on transferring billions from developed nations to those that have failed to keep pace, we learned on December 8th that “The negotiations here in Doha have gone into overtime.”
As reported by Craig Rucker, CFACT Executive Director, “After going until after 3 AM last night, negotiations resumed today. Negotiators have sprung a dangerous proposal on the conference at the 11th hour. This time they have inserted a ‘Loss & Damage Mechanism’ into the final text which would require developed countries like the U.S. to pay poor nations for climate damages supposedly resulting from extreme weather events.”
The conference ended on Friday and the last money grabbing gambit failed. It was time for the 7,000 “observers” and its delegates to go home, all knowing that even the Kyoto Protocols will end in 2014 and that COP18 was yet another monumental failure.
CFACT was founded in 1985 by Rucker and David Rothbard, both of whom believe strongly in the power of the market, combined with the applications of safe technologies, to offer practical solutions to many of the world’s pressing concerns. They were soon joined by leading scientists, academics, and policy leaders, along with thousands of citizens from around the nation. CFACT has been especially watchful of the many “global warming”, now “climate change”, claims put forth by the IPCC, attending its conferences and reporting from them, as well as challenging the absurd claims made during them.
It is essential to understand that scientific literature shows no link between recent extreme weather events like Hurricane Sandy and the bogus global warming. Indeed, the planet has been in a natural cooling cycle for sixteen years.
As to the weather, the best definition I ever heard was that it is best described as “chaos.”
Rucker reported that those controlling the COP18 “have instituted a ‘paperless’ policy, depriving delegates of daily programs and copies of negotiating instruments that keep them relatively informed.” The justification for this is the number of trees saved from becoming paper and, as of Saturday last, it was determined to be 217! As for the delegates’ carbon footprint, this policy totally ignores the emissions from their jet travel, their five-star hotels and restaurants, air conditioning, limousines, and the carbon dioxide they are all exhaling.
The delegates, if they could, would impose carbon taxes nation-by-nation and globally, but Chip Knappenberger, a leading “skeptic”, writing in MasterResource.org, asked “How much global warming will result from U.S. emissions over the course of this century and how much of that could be prevented by a carbon tax? These two questions have the same simple answer—virtually none. One or two tenths of a degree a century with or without a carbon tax makes the whole climate debate a peculiar exercise.”
There have been periods in the Earth’s history when there were far higher concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and the result was an abundance of vegetation. Lots of dinosaurs ate it and other dinosaurs ate them. There was an increase in CO2 during our present period on Earth that began when the last ice age ended about 11,500 years ago. The rise of agriculture allowed our ancestors to feed more and more humans and livestock, giving rise to the spread of civilization and it too contributed to an increase in CO2. Presumably, these are good things because increase of CO2 suggests that the next ice age has been delayed to some extent.
Meanwhile, back at COP18 what amounted to secret negotiations caused a lot of anger among delegates to the conference. Cathie Adams, president of the Texas Eagle Forum, at a CFACT press briefing told attendees that “in all her 17 years of attending U.N. climate gatherings there has never been this much difficulty getting up-to-date information or reluctance to accommodate informed public input into the process.”
As of this writing, it is unknown what the official U.S. response will be to the effort to get developed nations to ship bundles of cash to any undeveloped nation experiencing a hurricane, a typhoon, a blizzard, or any other “climate event.” In a cash-strapped nation about to “go over the fiscal cliff” did President Obama instruct U.S. delegates to go along with this absurd demand? Probably.
It is useful to know that Canada, Japan, and New Zealand have already rejected any participation in the agreements to come out of COP18.
One assumes that the European Union, as financially challenged as the U.S. and struggling under soaring renewable energy costs, would be of the same mind. Add to them China, Brazil, India, Indonesia and other emerging markets that need to grow their economies and which are dependent–like every other nation–on coal, oil, and natural gas. Mandatory reductions in greenhouse gas emissions would be the kiss of death.
The U.S. is about to undergo this madness in the form of a deluge of Environmental Protection Agency carbon dioxide regulations that will strangle the economy and kill jobs. Unless the Congress can eliminate them via legislation, it will constitute a form of national suicide.
The United Nations isn’t just involved in climate treaties. It is seeking control over the worldwide Internet, the oceans of the world, gun control, and regulating the rights of parents to exercise control over their children’s health and wellbeing.
If successful, the U.N. will lead the world back to a new Dark Ages.
“and regulating the rights of parents to exercise control over their children’s health and wellbeing” might be better expressed “allowing the pharmaceutical companies, FDA/FSA and corrupt medical establishments to sicken and kill children for profit”.
This is taking place big time. The Global Warming Scam pales into insignificance compared with the corruption in medicine.
But this is what they want isn’t it? Back to the dark ages, except for a few lucky ones.
A marriage of the US with the UN would be UN-American. And nothing about it would be gay.
I am so grateful for all the people who work so hard to bring all this into the open. It is happening, which is why the UN wants to censor the Internet. Not just blogs like this one, but politicians, senators and other figures not afraid to stand up and be counted are making a huge difference. Without you all, we would be lost already.
I’m hopeful, too, that reporters are getting sick of being on a leash and threatened with a hiding if they don’t toe the line. Some are already speaking up, of course, but I think more and more are growing dissatisfied with the controls on them. I think when the MSM finally turns, it will be ugly. I don’t think they will be forgiving.
The ordinary people, too, are realizing that “things are not right”. They are beginning to get angry. We are all beginning to get angry. I believe it’s all going to come as a tremendous shock to the Greens/Reds and the cling-ons that go along with it all. Too many heads in the sand and when the whack comes, they are not going to know what hit them.
While this goes a great job of describing the problem, how does one go about removing the UN feeding tube from national budgets and NGOs?
Yes, I know, it’s only Chinese money we are re-granting to them, but still. Yes, I know, we’re going to bugger the debt via inflation (and / or direct repudiation on agency and State / local levels) so we’re never really going to repay the Chinese. But still. It just seem silly to play the liar game…
We really need to get the point across to the US “UN Ambassador” that the only answer to “would you sign our treaty please?” is “No Way.” to any and all such ideas. The only answer to “would you send more money now?” is “No Way.” to any and all such requests. “Just Say No.”
We don’t cotton to being told what to do by some leader in a far away city – never have, never will. As they say down south…
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
While on one level I’m glad that the news media mostly ignored COP18, since that lowered the usual volume of putrid propaganda we get, there is some kind of bizarre (Michael Mann’s favorite word) phenomenon occurring here. For what is supposed to be the Greatest Problem Ever to Face Humanity, suddenly the silence is roaring. The Alarmists have not been able to attain all of their goals openly, so we need to be even more watchful for their new moves and methods.
For Son of Kyoto to survive and prosper there will need to be much activity away from the sunlight of public scrutiny. That is not conspiracy-mongering, it is simply common sense about the vast gaps between (1) hype/alarm about world historical crisis, and (2) publicly (legally) sanctioned realities which fall short of what the Alarmists claim is needed. Oxford’s Myles Allen wrote on Bishop Hill (some months ago) some dark mutterings about the potential for un-democratic decision making that would be necessary if ‘we’ did not all sign up soon for CAGW programs. That is the kind of thing coming out of COP18 to be alert for…… (such as the new mechanism for funnelling funds to pay for alleged CAGW disasters around the world).
M. Nichopolis says:
December 10, 2012 at 10:01 pm
We don’t cotton to being told what to do by some leader in a far away city – never have, never will. As they say down south…
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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cotton = kowtow ?
“…Canada, Japan, and New Zealand have already rejected any participation in the agreements to come out of COP18. ”
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The US should be on that list. It saddens and sickens me that we are moving backwards, that the EPA are poised to do some real damage, and that hugobama and the warmunists are rubbing their hands with glee at the “eco-justice” they are fixing to inflict upon this country.
Maybe I should learn to speak Canadian and move north, eh.
Canada’s sensible rejection may, speculatively, be because the intended beneficiaries of the ‘restitution’ are the same people who are passing the ‘rule’. Vested interest at someone else’s expense? Who’d-a-thought?
They have to decide something to give incremental hegemony over a future source of funding. The control allowed might be negotiated back to something more democratic, but decide they will.
Wait untill the UN gains control over the Internet and US gun control… don’t forget the UN hass its enabelers, The UN building for example was donated by an US business man and what we see is here is the develoment of a doctrine where we re confronted with the “enemy from within”. Hell, this country is currently headed by a President who spend a black budget of 70 billion on climate change behind the back of Congress, we have EPA having classified CO2 a toxic gas obtaining powers to regulate CO2 under the Clean Air Act and so on and so on. Just be honest, the USA doesn’t need the UN to lead the world into the Dark Ages. The US electorate and the ruling “Oligarchy” will take care of that.
There are voices already trying to push politicians to get out of the UN (Here in Canada). I can see it as a dangerous organization that is trying to get its claws into every part of our lives. Agenda 21 going strong in 2012, (that is no joke!)
It was already on the Sun News Network here on the 10 about Agenda 21, Byline, with Brian Lilley who was interviewing Glenn Beck with the new book based on true facts, called Agenda 21. (The message is starting to come out in the news.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/global-control-starts-with-agenda-21-part-i/2026999004001
CFACT’s Sequestration of exhalation masks a hit with UN in Qatar:Submitted for the review of their peers. http://www.cfact.org/2012/12/04/cfacts-sequestration-of-exhalation-masks-a-hit-with-un-delegates-in-qatar/
And you tube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXAbi7RSBU
It just goes to show you how really stupid warmists really are, [snip – marginal, but maybe I’m being too sensitive. -ModE], but you can see that these people trying on the mask really do not realize that the mask could not work but are so brainwashed that they can not see the forest for the trees.
But if they are really prepared to wear such a mask, what would they make us plebs do? Scary!
I posted earlier a very rough analysis of the amendment to the Kyoto Protocol and it does not seems to comply with the amendment requirements of the Protocol. I hope some lawyers will have a good look at the procedures especially in the EU countries.
By the way the COP and the MOP are activities of the UNFCCC and not of the IPCC.
We are meeting concepts like Constitutional law that most politicians understand little. The ‘paperless’ conduct at Doha might be related to keeping politicians that way.
Anyone who has relevant, authentic, traceable papers relevant to the Doha event would be doing a service by publishing them or their access here.
There are many of us starved for the type of material that hitherto univolved top lawyers would be alarmed to read and would have some reasonable probability of discovering lawless intent; and so inform politicians. One has to assume that selected conniving lawyers of high skill are fed this information and probably feed back assistance to the UN.
It is an urgent time to correct this information asymmetry if that is possible with your help as concerned citizens.
Mark and Two Cats~ I moved north to Canada (from Pennsylvania) 8 years ago. Speaking Canadian is easy, I am now told I sound exactly like one.
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Does anyone have any leads, on how they plan to blame energy companies in the US, for the coming blackouts?
I regret to say that I think you are being optimistic when you assume that the EU will go the same way as Canada, Japan and NZ. If only it were true.
‘One assumes that the European Union, as financially challenged as the U.S. and struggling under soaring renewable energy costs, would be of the same mind.’
You’re obviously unaware of how monumentally stupid the EU is. It makes the Obama administration look like Einstein.
“One assumes that the European Union, as financially challenged as the U.S. and struggling under soaring renewable energy costs, would be of the same mind. ”
Wrong assumption!
The EU is in cloud cuckoo land, the Court of auditors criticised administration of EU budget for 18th year in a row. and at a time when all its members are suffering the bureaucrats want to take more money from them to waste in futile projects in the third world and other corrupt countries.
2009.
Nick-named Donkeypedia, the animal was part of a £6.3m cultural project to get people to think about the similarities and differences of “European identities”. It involved a donkey named Asino travelling through the Netherlands meeting primary school children and keeping an Internet diary.
2011 European Union diplomats who are accidentally paid too much are allowed to keep the money, it has been revealed.
2012
The vast European Union budget could be slashed overnight by almost a third amid evidence of spiraling expenditure on quangos, empty parliament buildings and staff pay and perks, a damning report has found.
Despite austerity throughout the Continent, the European Commission has proposed a 6.8 per cent increase in EU spending next year, while cutting only six out of almost 41,000 EU jobs, it says. Open Europe is to set out an alternative budget that would reduce spending by almost 30 per cent – saving European taxpayers around £33billion annually.
embarrassing Aus once more, our attendee was happy so sign our farmers into oblivion and keep kyoto going longer:-(
our pigheaded illinformed PM doesnt have the nous to realise shes going to go down in history as the thickest leader Aus ever had. so daft she wont admit to error.
“COP18, shorthand for the Conference of Parties, brought together under the aegis of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) …” ??
Should read “..brought together under the aegis of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)…”
Surely an honest Freudian slip
All you need to know about the UN: http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html
oldseadog and Bloke Down The Pub are quite correct about the EU – they (the Commissioners) are very much part of the Green Agenda and will do anything to further it. I wonder how much longer it is going to be and what it will take before mainstream commentators wise up on the whole ‘global government’ movement?
The UN is a vehicle (as is the EU) for the imposition of a supra-national system of government on the world’s democracies, and it’s high time America withdrew from it and cut off its funding. but most of those who voted for Obama are incapable of seeing what he really stands for. It’s a tragedy that the Republicans put up an unelectable candidate – one who was demonstrably a liar and a hypocrite, who was anti women’s rights, and who was convicted on animal cruelty. They missed a wide open goal.
Meanwhile not only does the AGW carbon credits scam continue to gain ground in such circles but the world food supply slips ever faster into the greedy hands of Monsanto, Dow and their ilk. In America, the politician in charge of food policy is a former policy head of Monsanto. And as of this week we now have the British Minister responsible for food and farming advocating we embrace GM crops: does he not understand that these crops are sterile, and that *control of the food supply* therefore passes into the hands of foreign global chemical companies? These companies already have US politicians and their government in their pay and power, with disastrous consequences already apparent for the nation’s health. It’s all of a piece.
This link has been posted on WUWT before but it can’t be read often enough; for all its over the top inclusiveness, it does reveal the kind of thinking which drives the environmental movement, and the names involved include many familiar to climate sceptics:
http://www.green-agenda.com/
Click on the tabs to the left: “Green Governance”
Leftie environmentalists and ‘global warming’ activists would do better to read up on what they are truly being used for. They are Lenin’s ‘Useful Idiots’ indeed.
I just press end for a long comment which has mysteriously vanished!
Towards the end of that, I too cited the ‘Green Agenda’ website, citing in particular the section on ‘Green Governance’ http://www.green-agenda.com/agenda21.html
Most Leftist environmentalists are the successors of Lenin’s ‘useful idiots’, with no idea of the ruthless forces for which they are truly working. Others are no doubt in full accord with the genocidal aims of the Green movement
R. de Haan says: December 11, 2012 at 3:45 am
All you need to know about the UN: http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html
This expands to:
“The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
BUT it is not the real words used. Here they are with a reference to check. As usual quote only the bits you like!
The real quote:
http://www.archive.org/download/TheFirstGlobalRevolution/TheFirstGlobalRevolution.pdf
The common enemy of humanity is Man
In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill.
In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes.
All these dangers are caused by human intervention In natural processes. and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.
‘One assumes that the European Union, as financially challenged as the U.S. and struggling under soaring renewable energy costs, would be of the same mind.’
Don’t bet on it!
Spain is the world’s third largest provider of wind energy and it’s economy is a basket case:
The economy, which only emerged from the last recession at the end of 2010, has now contracted for five straight quarters, data from the National Statistics Institute showed on Tuesday.
The downturn has had a devastating impact on the job market where the unemployment rate hit a new high of 25.1pc between July and September.
Here in the UK the ignoramus Ed Davey is giving away £2 Billion of our taxes for overseas development of useless wind turbines whilst elderly citizens are unable to keep themselves warm during the winter because of soaring energy costs
http://windfarmaction.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/2-billion-giveaway-by-ed-davey/
The EU could not care less about individual nations as long as the orthodoxy of AGW is supported with vast sums of its citizen’s taxes. The EU is a dictatorship made up of unelected, unaccountable, faceless and witless bureaucrats’ who are hell bent of creating a United States of Europe akin to the old USSR.
All we need to do is look at Europe. The lazy pull down the productive, the productive can’t pull up the lazy. There are way too many lazy people.
“COP18, shorthand for the Conference of Parties, brought together under the aegis of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), …”
The IPCC is guilty of many sins, but this is not one of them. Both the IPCC and the UNFCCC are “children” of the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP), promulgator of scary stories since 1972.
But there is certainly a long-standing “co-dependency” between the two: the UNFCCC pretends that its deliberations are “informed by” science (of the IPCCC) and the IPCC (whose chairman has declared that the UNFCCC is its “main client”) depends on the UNFCCC for its “make work” projects.
I haven’t looked at this year’s documents and “statements”; yet, but from my examination* of the Durban documentation last year, there’s very little to be said of the attention that the UNFCCC gives to the IPCC anyway. They seem to be far more concerned with “financial mechanisms”..
* Is the IPCC still relevant to UNFCCC?
Has anyone got a copy of the actual COP18 “agreement”?
Otter @ December 11, 2012 at 1:41 am,
That’s easy. The EPA ordered coal plant emissions to be reduced. The companies, “driven by greed’, decided to shut down the plants rather than invest in new control technology. They also failed to install, or contract for, sufficient non-emitting generating capacity to replace the capacity they shutdown. Therefore, the companies are responsible for the blackouts; and, by the way, for the increased rates as well.
Just tried to submit a medium length reply, twice, and twice it appears to have disappeared into cyberspace.
‘One assumes that the European Union, as financially challenged as the U.S. and struggling under soaring renewable energy costs, would be of the same mind.’
Don’t bet on it!
Here in the UK the ignoramus Ed Davey is giving away £2 Billion of our taxes for overseas development of useless wind turbines whilst elderly citizens are unable to keep themselves warm during the winter because soaring energy prices
http://windfarmaction.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/2-billion-giveaway-by-ed-davey/
The EU could not care less about individual nations as long as the orthodoxy of AGW is supported with vast sums of its citizen’s taxes.
This is amply demonstrated with Spain being the world’s third largest provider of wind energy and it’s economy is a basket case:
The economy, which only emerged from the last recession at the end of 2010, has now contracted for five straight quarters, data from the National Statistics Institute showed on Tuesday.
The downturn has had a devastating impact on the job market where the unemployment rate hit a new high of 25.1pc between July and September
[Reply: Sorry your comments were lost. WordPress has been dropping a lot of comments lately. I suggest that you keep a copy of your post until you see it in the thread. — mod.]
I am looking for a copy of about ten or so quotes from these watermellon wacks concerning their desire to drastically reduce the worlds population. Does anyone have this?
For those of you of an American persuasion who are under the impression that the EU gets anything right..
Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission, complained bitterly recently that people were ‘critisising’ the EU for wanting to increase its budget by 6.8% (all the while imposing austerity on the likes of Greece; Ireland; Italy and Portugal).
Him – unelected – complaining that us voters/citizens of the EU had the nerve to critisise the EU bureaucrats..
It is fast becoming the EUSSR…
@ Ed Reid
That is rather twisted logic.
The companies are not obliged to provide goods or services if a profit cannot be generated (pardon the pun). They are under no requirement to subsidize the Green agenda, nor must they address reductions in generating capacity.
Even had they taken steps to replace lost generating capacity or had they invested in the technology to reduce emissions, electrical rates would still have increased, and likely even higher than they already are.
So, no. It is Obama and the EPA that are responsible, NOT the companies, no matter how much you want to twist it.
“all knowing that even the Kyoto Protocols will end in 2014”
That’s odd.
A couple of Reuters alarmist cheerleaders say: “The conference … agreed to extend the emissions-limiting Kyoto Protocol, which would have run out within weeks. … Now they have a 2015 deadline to get a new global, binding deal in place, to enter into force after the extension of Kyoto expires in 2020. For the first time, it would apply to rich and poor countries alike.”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/09/us-climate-talks-process-idUKBRE8B808N20121209
Both sides of the political spectrum have at one time or another, tried to shove a stinkbug covered in sugar down the throats of individuals and states. My belief is that it is absolutely essential that each person, to their greatest capacity available to them, discern the unemotional facts and figures taken from their own inspection of raw data. It is also my opinion that to do so, each person must suspend their own proclivity towards emotion, even for their own side during this inspection. If they fail to do so, they are fated to the same role they hate so much in the opposition: championing the cause of shoving a stinkbug covered in sugar down the throats of individuals and states.
David says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:36 am
I am looking for a copy of about ten or so quotes from these watermellon wacks concerning their desire to drastically reduce the worlds population. Does anyone have this?
David the Book “Watermelons: The Green Movement’s True Colors” by James Delingpole has many more that 10 quotes that are suitable
@Ed Fry, I think Ed Reid was answering the question “How could they blame the energy companies for the coming blackouts?” I don’t think he was proposing how he thought about it, just how the average uninformed American was going to be propagandized into thinking about it. I can see Jay Carney at the White House Briefing Room with the candles and oil lamps going telling the White House press corps exactly that explanation for why this briefing is happening in the dark.. Of course it is never the edicts of the NOBLE government that cause the problems, it is those EVIL RICH CARBON FUEL people that are to blame. (do I need /sarc?)
CBC article claims predictions all true. Points to Nature article but no data. There is also an online survey.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/12/un-climate-change-projections-made-in-1990-coming-true.html
Michael Schaefer says:
December 10, 2012 at 10:46 pm
M. Nichopolis says:
December 10, 2012 at 10:01 pm
We don’t cotton to being told what to do by some leader in a far away city – never have, never will. As they say down south…
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cotton = kowtow ?
“Cotton” as a verb is, somewhat surprisingly, directly derived from our old friend “cotton” the fabric, or, as the Oxford English Dictionary puts it, “the white fibrous substance, soft and downy like wool, which clothes the seeds of the cotton-plant.” The noun “cotton” is a very old word, entering English around 1286 from the Old French “coton,” which came in turn from the Arabic “qutun.”
To “cotton” meaning “to get along with” comes from the characteristics of cotton cloth. Cotton fabric is soft and fuzzy with a rich pile, and “to cotton” originally meant to work cotton or some other fabric such as wool so as to raise a nap or pile. This process is an important step in the finishing of fine cloth, and by the 16th century “cotton” was being used figuratively to mean “succeed” or “improve.” By the early 17th century, “cotton” was being used in a more general sense of “get along well together” or “work harmoniously,” and a bit later to mean “strike up a friendship.” The modern sense of “to become attached to” first appeared around 1805.
http://www.word-detective.com/
Owen in GA @ December 11, 2012 at 7:38 am,
“No more calls; we have a winner.”
I liked you “visual”. Vaguely reminiscent of the Tim Worth / James Hansen “thermostat trick”. 🙂
Ed Reid says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:31 am
Otter @ December 11, 2012 at 1:41 am,
That’s easy. The EPA ordered coal plant emissions to be reduced. The companies, “driven by greed’, decided to shut down the plants rather than invest in new control technology….
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You for got to add a ‘new control technology’ THAT DOES NOT EXIST!
Not really off topic but the Guardian is running a poll on “Should rich countries compensate poorer ones for the damage done by climate change?”. If you know the Guardian you know what answer they’re after. Please vote No here – four hours to go and it’s currently at 42% – Yes
58% – No . Please vote – only one click needed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/dec/09/rich-countries-compensate-damage-climate-change?CMP=twt_gu
Otter says:
So, you want to know how they blame the power companies for blackouts? They’ve already done so, “failure to maintain the grid in the pursuit of investor gain”.
Alan Caruba says: “The United Nations isn’t just involved in climate treaties. It is seeking control over the worldwide Internet…”
The UN’s The World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT) meeting in Dubai is being held at a convenient location just across the bay from CoP18 Doha, and is now in session.
The House and Senate have passed the following unanimous resolutions:
“Concern over the ITU has inspired strong bipartisan opposition in the U.S. In August, the House of Representatives unanimously passed (414–0) H. Con. Res. 127, introduced by Representative Mary Bono Mack (R–CA), which endorsed the current multi-stakeholder governance model and urged the Administration to “clearly articulate…the consistent and unequivocal policy of the United States to promote a global Internet free from government control.”
Senator Marco Rubio (R–FL) introduced a similar version of this resolution (S. Con. Res. 50) that passed the Senate by unanimous consent on September 22.”
The European Parliament has also warned that control of the Internet must be stopped from falling into the hands of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). And if “unanimous” opposition is not enough to convince the free world of the danger, “anonymous” has taken credit for hacking computers in Dubai to block proceedings.
Sure we should compensate the “poor” for the damage done by AGW.
Zero damage= Zero money.
And maybe a boot to the posterior of the middleman is in order with the cheque for $000000……
On compensation ,we shall be seeking that from the UN, for the fraud they have and are committing
David says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:36 am
I am looking for a copy of about ten or so quotes from these watermellon wacks concerning their desire to drastically reduce the worlds population….
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Check out Modern Eugenics Movement, Huxley and UNESCO, David and Beatrix Hamburg, and Margaret Sanger. There is also some skuttlebutt about Bill Gates but I think it was just a poorly worded statement of his. OH, and do not forget Obama science czar John Holdren and his pals the Ehrlichs.
http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2042
http://www.amphilsoc.org/mole/view?docId=ead/Mss.Ms.Coll.77-ead.xml#d316287e164308268875776
http://www.whale.to/m/sterile.html
And do not forget The Eugenics Board of North Carolina
http://150.216.68.249/ncgovdocs/guides/eugenics.htm
http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/commentary/602/entry
Gail Combs @ December 11, 2012 at 10:56 am
True, for CO2. CCS is not commercial now; and, likely won’t be in the foreseeable future.
Not true for Mercury. There the issue is the command and control approach.
EPA is intent on driving coal from the power generation market, at least in the US.
And who supported the UN’s International Telecommunications Union naked grab for power? The President of Russia – he says control of the internet is needed. Putin no doubt agrees.
This is like most if not all the babbling that goes on. Nothing here to even concern yourselves about. It any is stupid enough to go for it then it simply shows how foolish we and a species can be. On the other hand why not just send them lots that money the treasury is printing. Just give them the bonds and let them try to collect.
David says:
December 11, 2012 at 6:03 am
Hear hear. Well said.
The EUSSR likes spending other people’s money.
Especially on their buddies.
And not accounting for it like you could maybe – halfway – believe!
RichieP says:
December 11, 2012 at 11:07 am
41 – 59 now [3 hours to go].
David says:
December 11, 2012 at 5:36 am
Go here:
http://www.green-agenda.com/
‘Selected sampling from The Green Agenda:
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn’t it our responsiblity to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong,
founder of the UN Environment Programme
“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to
about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure
and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species,
returning throughout the world.”
-Dave Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!
“A total population of 250-300 million people,
a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
– Ted Turner,
“… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence
more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
– Club of Rome,
“One America burdens the earth much more than
twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say.
In order to stabilize world population,we must eliminate
350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say,
but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
– Jacques Cousteau,
“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth
as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
– Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh,
“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong.
It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
“The extinction of the human species may not
only be inevitable but a good thing.”
– Christopher Manes, Earth First!
“The extinction of Homo Sapiens would mean survival
for millions, if not billions, of Earth-dwelling species.
Phasing out the human race will solve every
problem on Earth – social and environmental.”
– Ingrid Newkirk,
former President of PETA
“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against
society, unless the parents hold a government license.
All potential parents should be required to use
contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing
antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
– David Brower,
first Executive Director of the Sierra Club
And if that doesn’t make it clear enough..
– Club of Rome,
Mankind at the Turning Point
The Green Agenda
Falsity, second time as farce: The Protocols of the learned elders of Kyoto.
Ed Reid says:
December 11, 2012 at 11:51 am
Gail Combs @ December 11, 2012 at 10:56 am
…..CCS is not commercial now; and, likely won’t be in the foreseeable future….
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Don’t bet on that
Legal and regulatory requirements to reduce investor risk??? Seem they are well aware of the risks and do not want to be sued by the relatives of all the dead bodies….
Reminds me of this: A federal law grants drug companies immunity from certain lawsuits from injuries or deaths tied to vaccines, the US Supreme Court affirmed Tuesday.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/dec/09/rich-countries-compensate-damage-climate-change?CMP=twt_gu
Poll closes in 13 minutes
61% say “No” to paying for somebody else’s bad weather.
It’s true! The average iq of a person is only 100… When strained to the limit.
COP= Collection of Pissants
I really like the writings of Alan Caruba. He’s almost the Lord Monckton of the USA!
As happy as it makes me that these…conferences…keep going down to failure, the Cassandra in me fears that it’s their failures that will lead to power grabs by even less authorized figures. Debbie Downer here, I know….
“COP18, shorthand for the Conference of Parties, brought together under the aegis of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), was especially devious.”
Under the aegis ?! They were not even invited.
I believe COP are organised by UNFCCC so this huge blooper needs to be corrected.
Since the IPCC was the baby of UNFCCC was most remarkable to see them apparently throw the baby under a bus by not inviting them.
P. Solar says: December 12, 2012 at 2:17 am
Well, that depends on whether or not you choose to believe Pachauri’s whine of Nov. 17 (in which he claimed he wasn’t invited) or the IPCC’s “Media Advisory” (in which they advise that he was scheduled to speak at 3:00 p.m. on Nov. 28, Doha time).
Whether he actually attended in person or not, there is a record in the IPCC site of a “Statement” he supposedly delivered to COP 18 on Nov. 28.
Actually, in the interest of truth in posting, the IPCC is the official child of the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) (promulgator of increasingly scary stories since 1972) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) – and (according to Pachauri) is the UNFCCC’s “main client”.
Their respective histories are interwoven to a great extent [see http://unfccc.int/essential_background/items/6031.php%5D but the lowest common denominator (or the highest, depending on one’s perspective!) appears to be the UNEP. However, there can be no question that the two have been co-dependent for quite some time.
Reports of he Durban dustup last year suggested that possibly the UNFCCC was attempting to distance itself from the discredited IPCC – perhaps in order to save its own skin. [See Is the IPCC still relevant to UNFCCC?]
Climate politics would seem to be a very dirty game!
Any such prospect will run aground in the Senate. The body of “sober second thought” has become the stone bulwark where sane legislation dies. It won’t even pass a budget, much less rein in the massive Administration power grab.