It’s a planetary emergency!

Environmentalist and author Bill McKibben joins Jennifer Granholm in Al Gore’s CURRENT TV  “The War Room” to talk about the impact that climate change will have during the president’s second term and just how much we’re affecting our planet. McKibben explains, “If 1 degree melts the Arctic, we’re in a world of hurt. This is an emergency now.”

Only one problem…..

Nobody is listening…zzzz. He’ll be lucky to get to 350 views on his own.

Now the views count of his YouTube video will be mostly from WUWT viewers. Oh the ironing!

 

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77 thoughts on “It’s a planetary emergency!

  1. Well, if it’s a planetary emergency, then maybe it’s time to call the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance for Gore, McKibben and Mann?

  2. McKibben has a bully pulpit on New York Review of Books, where he has been tirelessly pushing his views for a couple of decades. Yesterday I put up on Tips and Notes an exchange of letters between him and Richard Muller that is amusing, particularly as Richard ridicules 350.org.

  3. Anthony, your speech recognition software has reminded me that I have laundry to do.
    “Oh the ironing!”

  4. Desperation.

    The truth will be apparent before the conclusion of President Obama’s second term. Especially if he keeps borrowing to buy votes.

    He will be more than somewhat displeased if, in the meantime, he hangs his hat on environmental climate alarmism.

    There may have been a fiscally incontinent left / liberal drift since WW2 but the one advantage of democracy is that it can all be reversed when reality intrudes and those relying on state support realise that it isn’t really the government that supports them but the hitherto abused taxpayer who works hard and values self sufficiency.

    A bumpy rise awaits us but truth cannot be suppressed forever and the responsible parties will be removed.

    A pity, though, that so many of them will be able to retire with huge bank balances and secure pension funds.

  5. Dammit, I shouldn’t have clicked on the link… sorry, that’s one vote that stats will count on its favour when it really is AGAINST it. Stats, if they were true, I’d be dead many years ago from cancer, cholesterol and many other diseases…..

  6. For the life of me, I can’t understand why any rational adult takes this charlatan seriously. He’s truly an embarrassment, but the gullible (and habitually lazy) “mainstream” presstitutes take him seriously. They were made for each other.

    With sagging readership and audiences, the establishment media has latched onto the climate change bogeyman as a convenient way to boost their declining bottom lines.

  7. The elves in the trailer that preceded this ‘interview’ were more believable. And note that he has it every way. The interviewer virtually swooned at his brilliance in predicting a serious drought, or hurricane, or flood, or something. Sheeeesh. Obama voter for sure.

  8. also, i managed to get it wrong about business week–the cover was in black letters, not yellow letters. and not even the makeup person could knock the shine off my forehead. you’re right, i’m not super good at this. thanks for the critique

  9. Never take advice from an idiot.

    Never!

    (Oh the ironing!)? Ok–I can see that–hot press, ice melts, we all die. *Snort*.

  10. Why don’t we just have the submarine Seaview fix it? If Richard Branson would just call Admiral Nelson and have him shoot a nuke at the Van Allen belt, we could control the climate!

    Assemble a team of crack scientists like Gore, Hansen, Mann, …and what’s the guy’s name with the accordion??

    What do we have to do, draw ‘em a picture? Hey Josh…!?!

  11. Otter says:
    November 10, 2012 at 8:52 am
    Why did I immediately see him in priest’s robs, worshipping Cthulhu?

    I was thinking more like Vorbis worshipping the great God Om.

  12. I wonder how much further you can escalate the language beyond “emergency?” How much time do they spend figuring out a way to make it sound more dire than the last time? Will the day ever come that they run out of adjectives and they just give up?

  13. well all and all bill you are nuts it’s -18 in central Alberta this morn and friends working up north have been in the -20 all month so really ? melting melting MELTING !!!! really you need help.

  14. Wow -18 c in central Alberta this morning friend’s working up north where it has been no warmer then – 20 c for about 2 month’s and the ice is melting ? You are a full of B.S. Get out of you office and go look for yourself and after you come back out of the cold try again. ;>)

  15. That piece could be used to explain to foreign language students how the term “boob tube” came into existence to describe the television.

  16. Since the 1960′s Arctic temperatures have risen 4c, yet we still have plenty of it around the minimum in early Autumn.

    Note – Since the 1930′s Arctic temperatures declined 4c until the 1960′s.

    Meanwhile Arctic temperatures are far below freezing expected at this time of year, so what ever happens during the summer will freeze always later. (even a ice free Arctic)

  17. RE: Stephen Wilde says:
    November 10, 2012 at 8:27 am
    “…..A pity, though, that so many of them will be able to retire with huge bank balances and secure pension funds.”

    That’s where their thought process goes, however what they fail to consider is what hyper-inflation will do to huge bank balances. The melt-down that hit Zimbabwe and resulted in billion-dollar bills can, in theory, become a world-wide phenomenom. Of course, governments will use the mess they have created as an excuse to dictate wage and price controls, however that tends to generate riots and revolutions. There is no such thing as a secure pension when the world is in chaos.

    Hold onto your hats, boys. We are in for one heck of a ride.

  18. lorne50 says:
    November 10, 2012 at 9:59 am

    well all and all bill you are nuts it’s -18 in central Alberta this morn and friends working up north have been in the -20 all month so really ? melting melting MELTING !!!! really you need help.
    ____________________________________
    Yeah I am in the “warm” southeast (mid NC) and freezing! (28F for the last two mornings) I had to scrape the ice off the windshield in bloody OCTOBER! Normally the lows are around 42F this time of year.

    It is a tad hard to sell the Arctic is melting when you are scraping ice in the mid-atlantic state of North Carolina. We would have broken several low temp records the last couple of weeks if the raw data I saw in the morning was used instead of the adjusted up by 3F final figure.

    On and it is REAL hard to believe that adjustment, saying the temperature is ABOVE freezing, is correct when my waterbuckets are iced over.

  19. I think I have explained before that Bill McKibben and his 350.org are affiliated with the New Economics Institute, formerly known as the Schumacher Society as in Small is Beautiful. For those of you wanting to appreciate what kind of economy we are talking about to go with these erased from facts temp models, here is a sample from one of NEI’s directors, Neva Goodwin.

    http://neweconomicsinstitute.org/content/new-economics-21st-century

    NEI’s affiliate in the UK, the new economics foundation, is heavily involved with helping to achieve the Club of Rome’s vision for a rather oligarchical future based on Green Energy.

    Mostly it is a case of cha-ching at our expense to political insiders. Globally.

  20. If 1 degree melts the Arctic, we’re in a world of hurt.

    Obviously all kinds of assumptions need to be made to calculate exactly how much ice will melt for a rise of 1 degree in air temperature, not the least of which is whether he was talking C or F. In addition, the wind and rate of ice melt need to be considered. I have done some rough calculations assuming we are using degrees C and that the density of air stays the same for 10 km. I asked myself how much ice will melt if we take a square meter of ice at 0 C and if the temperature of the air were to decrease by 1 degree C for a column of air 10 km high.
    The heat in this much air is mct, so for 1 C, we get 1.29 kg/m3 x 1 m x 1 m x 10,000 m x 1.006 kJ/kgC x 1 C = 13,000 kJ.
    The heat of fusion of ice is 334 kJ/kg, so 13,000 kJ would melt 39 kg of ice. With the density of ice being 920 kg/m3, that means 39 kg/920 kg/m3 = 0.042 m3 of ice will melt. So starting with our 1.00 m2 area of ice, 0.042 m or 4.2 cm would melt and thereby lower the air temperature by 1 C for 10 km above it.

  21. Chuck says:

    November 10, 2012 at 9:57 am
    I wonder how much further you can escalate the language beyond “emergency?” How much time do they spend figuring out a way to make it sound more dire than the last time? Will the day ever come that they run out of adjectives and they just give up?

    Just wait for AR5 and we will see just how far they can go. !!!

  22. He says, “This is the warmest year in American history, almost for sure….”
    Almost, for sure?? What the heck is that?
    These guys are so obviously jumping for every little blip on the weather screen to help their ’cause’ that it is plain to even the most causual observer that they are getting desperate,
    Very sad indeed!

  23. What will it be like when McKibben completely loses it?

    Officer: Mr. McKibben, we need you to…

    McKibben: No! Penn State awarded me a degree when I received the Michael E. Mann Award for Excellence in Climatological Communication. It’s Doctor McKibben!

    O: Okay, Dr. McKibben. We need you to put that down now…

    McK: No! They are using wasteful incandescent lighting! Either they install LED’s or the polar bear cub gets it!

    O: Why would you want to hurt…

    McK: Climate change will condemn all the polar bears to a miserable death from starvation once they lose their habitat. I’ll be doing this one a favor by making it quick!

    O: Dr. McKibben, just put it back on the shelf and leave the toy store.

    McK: No! The crisis is too great! The fate of the planet rests on my shoulders!

    O: Look, you don’t even have a real weapon. You said you’ll let loose some gas.

    McK: Yes! I have methane, twenty five times deadlier than carbon dioxide! Once I release it, the entire climate system will irrevocably tip over into runaway warming. Everyone will perish from the unimaginably horrific weather extremes to come! Do not test me, I am the instructor! I am serious!

    O: Okay, Dr. McKibben, you win. I’m sending someone to find some small LED light bulbs for that display. Meanwhile I need you to first put the cub back on the shelf, then slowly hand me the bean burrito.

  24. There may have been a fiscally incontinent left / liberal drift since WW2

    Deficits tend to rise under Republicans, and drop under Democrats. Reagan and Bush Junior blew them out, but Clinton reduced them.

    There has been both a drift to the left and towards unwise deficits, but they aren’t remotely linked.

  25. I feel the need to remind some readers here that it’s never okay to make fun of people for the way they look.

    Certainly laugh at them for what they say and do (or in certain instances, what they choose to wear), but ridiculing their physical appearance only makes you (and by extension, the rest of us) appear juvenile.

  26. Send in Darth Vader! Send in the Daleks! send for Star Trek Enterprise! Planetary emergency!

    Actually, sarcasm aside, there’s a great science fiction movie in the making there somewhere

  27. This makes you wonder planet McKitten is from, with his melting Arctic scenario.
    Checking the data from Summitt Camp, Central Greenland gives the present outside temperature of minus 52deg C, or minus 62 deg F, ,
    Which I suppose proves to him, the new meme of “Cooling is the new Warming”.

  28. Russ R. says:
    November 10, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    I feel the need to remind some readers here that it’s never okay to make fun of people for the way they look.

    I agree with you, but I can’t find anyone on this thread who is making fun of what someone looks like. If your referring to “Oh the ironing!”, it’s just a saying, a comical playful use of words as in “Oh the Irony !” meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance. And it’s used quite a bit in posts that have some element of humor.

    Some people didn’t get it “Oh the ironing!”.

  29. “I feel the need to remind some readers here that it’s never okay to make fun of people for the way they look.”

    I feel the need to point out that political corectness has killed much of the humor in the West. There were a lot of Polish and Irish folks where I grew up, and they all told Polish and Irish jokes. I don’t recall anyone taking it personally. The Poles would tell a Polish joke and laugh harder than anyone.

    One of the worst aspects of the Left is that they have no sense of humor. How could they? They use jokes as a “gotcha”. The are so annoying. Who wants to be scolded for having a sense of humor? I’d tell them, “Lighten up!” But they can’t.

    BTW, get a load of this guy! He looks pretty funny to me.☺

  30. bill mckibben,

    I just went through all the comments again, and no one has made fun of your looks. So, you just have a martyr complex; you want someone to make fun of you. You crave it in order to be the martyr. It’s a fact that martyrs die to be right.

    The problem isn’t your looks. The problem is either that you’re so deluded that you believe your nonsense [and I must point out that there exists no testable, empirical evidence verifying AGW], or you have sold your soul for money and status.

    I sincerely hope it’s only that you are deluded. A few folks around here sincerely believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, and despite having no corroborating evidence to support their belief system, that human activity causes global warming. With zero evidence, all you have is your belief, and your ugly noble cause corruption that is destroying the credibility of climate science.

  31. War Of The Worlds

    Seems the Gore, Mann, Trenberth, Gavin and Bon Ki Moon are ramping up to a ‘War Of The Worlds’ Climate Emergency Radio/TV/Internet Broadcast.

    And they will cut-paste, plagiarize and other acts of fraud, from the Original Orson Wells Radio Broadcast.

    Ki Moon is from a noted culture that prides itself in stealing from originality. And, they cry for suffrage from the Japanese horde yet worship dutifully the Japanese horde. Strange that. I have witnessed it in my Asian travels far.

    There is a problem with the Climate Emergency Radio Broadcast.

    As the announcers Gore, Mann, Trenberth and Moon announce minute details of the destruction of cities like Rio, London, Mumbai, Jakarta, Tokyo, Washington DC, Moscow, the people in these cities might just walk out of their homes to discover … that the ‘war’ is not happing! Not at all. [snip] they will say?

    Yes.

    Psychosis.

    Seems that Gore, Mann, Trenberth, Moon and Gavin Schmidt amongst many others (Zombies?!) in the Climate Emergency Mind Set, are very psychotic and in desperate need of institutional care because they ARE an endangerment to themselves and all humans around them.

    I vote for the rapid institutionalization of Albert Gore, Michael E. Mann, Kevin E. Trenberth, Gavin Schmidt and many others [snip]

    :D

  32. bill mckibben says:
    November 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Thank you for reading our ironing, your wrongings, our writings, and your attempted rightings of our writings about your wrongly assumed rightings of our wronging writings about your wrongings. 8<)

    OK, so you (your CAGW community) believe global warming will somehow be catastrophic. Therefore, you claim we MUST do something actually, truly and thoroughly catastrophic to the world's economies and destroy people's lives and health and well-being to prevent such a potential catastrophe to the world, in the name of "The Precautionary Principle."

    Please give me the details of your belief system/religion:
    1. What is the computed probability of a 1 degree C rise in temperature by the year 2250 AD, and what is the actual, proved harm of such a world-wide 1 degree C rise in temperature?
    If you insist on using the IPCC's weasel-words similar to "highly likely" please tell me exactly what percent "likely", "highly likely", and "extremely likely" really are.

    If, as I know, there is "no" harm in a 1 degree rise in temperature between now and 2250, why do we need to kill people "now" to prevent such an potential increase? Bluntly put, how many people would you be satisfied in killing to just to “prevent the potential” of such a 1 degree rise in temperature?

    You do realize that somebody somewhere has to ALSO tell me exactly WHICH computer model runs have accurately plotted 15 years of continuously increasing CO2 with NO increase in temperatures! Exactly what are “likely” probabilities of that occurring?

    2. What is the computed probability of a 2 degree C rise in temperature by the year 2250 AD, and what is the actual, proved harm of a world-wide 2 degree C rise in temperature? How many people would be you be satisfied in killing to “prevent the potential” of such a 2 degree rise in temperature?

    3. What is the computed probability of a 3 degree C rise in temperature by the year 2250 AD, and what is the actual, proved harm of a world-wide 3 degree C rise in temperature? How many people would be you be satisfied in killing to “prevent the potential” of such a 3 degree rise in temperature? How many people do you want really, truly, actually want to kill with your policies just to prevent a “potential” 2 mm sea level rise?

    4. What is the computed probability of a 4 degree C rise in temperature by the year 2250 AD, and what is the actual, proved harm of a world-wide 4 degree C rise in temperature? How many people would be you be satisfied in killing to “prevent the potential” of such a 4 degree rise in temperature, instead of the potentially “safe” 3 degree rise in global temperature?

  33. Bill, I listened, sorry I did though. No sign of global warming when I crossed the sierrra nevada mountains today. Cold and snowy, with an arctic jet stretching back north to the Arctic Circle.

    How come global isn’t really global ?

  34. bill mckibben says:
    November 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    “actually, fine to make fun of me for the way i look. am used to it.”

    No one is making fun of how you look, I’m sure you are very appealing to your species.

    lol see what I did there?

  35. I thought the “Nosferatu” comment was inappropriate. It was the only instance on this thread, but making fun of people’s physical appearances is a problem I’ve seen here too many times before. That was what prompted me to comment, as I feel that ignoring such behaviour is equivalent to condoning it.

    And to Bill McKibben… thank you for stopping by and being very civil. You’ve set a very good example for all of us here to follow.

  36. Russ R. says:
    November 10, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    ” thought the “Nosferatu” comment was inappropriate”

    As in the blood sucking vampire? You’re correct Russ, I see no reason under any circumstance for anyone to compare our good friend Bill to the likeness of a Bloodsucking vampire.

  37. Check the historical records of “The Daily Bayonet” – skewering the clueless since 1996 – under Humor/Satire in the RH sidebar for the souce of “Oh the ironing”. Sadly,TDB is still in suspenders.

  38. Bill McKibben. Are you joining us on our worldwide party to celebrate the magnificent achievement of humankind in rasing the dangerously low level of CO2 in our atmosphere to a more respectable 400ppm when it happens late 2014? We’ll all be drinking copious amounts of carbonated alcoholic beverages.

    Can’t wait.

  39. CBS Sunday Morning had an article about climate change this morning. The author (David Pogue from the NY Times…ugh) said at the outset of the article he was going to get opinions from both sides of the argument. I thought surely Dr. McKibben would be the first face they’d show on the AGW side of things, but he was not on that program. But just guess who their “skeptic” representatives were…………The Mullers. Seriously.

    At this point, if some MSM program actually does a fair article regarding this whole debate I might just weep.

  40. bill mckibben says:
    November 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    No, Mr. McKibben – we’re not making fun of the way you look. We’re making fun of the way you think…

    In any case, you’ll be OK – you’re getting paid VERY WELL for what you do for the CAGW maniacs…

  41. If this is a planetary emergency then long term solutions like emission reduction are already too late. Is he advocating geo-engineering I wonder?

  42. Does shaving your head make you look intelligent, is this guy trying to get some street cred with the James Carville look, or is he James younger brother?

    Vote now.

  43. Ch.E says:
    November 11, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Is a planetary emergency something like a Linux kernel panic?
    No, it is more like Microsoft’s BSOD ;)

  44. Mr McKibben,

    One thing I like about true scientists is their modesty — they are prepared to admit that they may be wrong. It is a tendency that should be encouraged in all walks of life, but I appreciate that in a job like yours, which depends on presenting a case which the facts don’t always support, this ideal cannot always be reached. You do make the odd minor concession to the truth, but then you continue as if that truth does not matter.

    I’m what is dubbed a lukewarmer, sure that global temperature is rising — or was rising until recently — but unsure as to the cause. I look at the graphs which enable us to see the CO2 signature. That signature shows from 1975, so the experts say. But it has warmed since 1910 and there was another similar rise in the 1880s. I see the ‘human isotope signal’ which appears in 1850 and notice that in fact the isotope balance began to change in 1720. I see predictions of sea level and temperature rise which are simply wrong, assertions that a weather event like Sandy is a symptom of climate change while the ’30s dustbowl was merely weather. Where are the deadlines of yesteryear, where are the ‘three years to save the planet’ doomsters?

    I am not entirely averse to you, and people like you, making yourself a laughing stock, but I do object most strongly to the results of your failed scaremongering. Each foolish extrapolation, each ludicrous and forced connection to climate change by you (collective you, all of you disaster mavens who are doing very nicely thank you with your doom-laden articles and lucrative consultancies) is setting back the cause of conservation by decades. When I protest about wetland depletion of the coast, or object to a hedge being grubbed up because that is detrimental to local wildlife I will be met by blank incomprehension. Hedge plants vanishing — oh, yes, like global warming, ho ho, pull the other one. Anyone who loves the natural world is being set up to look like a fool by you — you personally — and those like you who do not care what they say or write as long as they can make a point, can keep the gravy-train rolling for a few more months.

    I’ve been here before, watched foolish people achieve exactly the opposite of what they have set out to do. Then it was CND, convinced they were right, convinced that all they had to do was make the West disarm: the sun would then shine on a thousand smiley flowers as totalitarian regimes around the world saw how wrong they were with their vast armies and thousands of nuclear weapons and immediately followed suit. Starry-eyed and wooly-brained nonsense of course, but by making the East think that the West was divided it extended the Cold War by a decade. Well done the wooly-minded, millions held in poverty, fear and slavery because they couldn’t imagine that they might be wrong.

    You, individual you, are making that error. Because of you the world will be a worse place for decades. Each lie you tell, each truth you fudge, is entered into the account against you. But it won’t matter, you’ll be retired and living on your investments by the time the science is settled while the true conservationists will be out there sweeping up the debris you’ve left behind, explaining to people grown weary of doom-mongering false prophets, tired of being cold in winter, tired of lectures and lies, that this time, yes, it really matters, this time the science is not overhyped or twisted.

    I live in East Anglia, a region that knows about fanaticism in a good cause. You can still see the work of the Puritans in our churches, the coloured glass smashed, the wall paintings whitewashed, the statues overthrown and defaced. De-faced, the faces broken, beaten with hammers. No love there, no religion. Those hammers were powered by envy and hatred, by a sanctimonious certainty. Read the comments below your article in the Guardian, look in the mirror. Are you really happy with what you see? Can you not see the Puritan, the fanatic, the envy, the hate?

    Look closer.

    JF

  45. A group known as “The Pen”, which I believe was originally formed as an anti-war group during the last Bush presidency, is now sending out emails promoting Climate Change activism, like the one below. (Mr. Watts, if you’d rather post this message yourself, I’d be glad to forward to you the original message.)
    From theteam@peaceteam.net
    Dear Friends and Activists:
    There used to be a concept called public policy, the idea that it is
    the responsibility of our government, on behalf of the general
    welfare of the people, to take necessary action to protect us by
    making laws that change the way people behave. And yet, despite
    overwhelming evidence that man-made carbon dioxide pollution is
    radically changing our global climate, government appears to be
    determined to do just the opposite, by accelerating the burning of
    fossil fuels.

    We need a crash program of global reforestation, reversal of carbon
    dioxide levels in the atmosphere starting with elimination of ALL
    fossil fuel usage, and strong international cooperation to make this
    happen. To those who say we cannot afford to do these things, witness
    the cost of just one storm, 50 billion and counting. What’s the cost
    of replacing the infrastructure of just a couple major coastal
    cities? Another decade or so at this rate and we can kiss them all
    goodbye.

    Please send your message to Congress now

    Action Page: Time To Get Serious About The Global Warming Disaster

    http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1103.php

    And after you submit the action page above, feel free to request one
    of our new “STOP Global Warming” bumper stickers, with a dramatic
    graphic of our beautiful blue planet on fire. You can have one for no
    charge, not even shipping, just for the asking. Of course, if you can
    make a donation of any amount, this is what makes it possible for us
    to send free stickers to anyone who cannot make a donation right now.

    Anyway, that’s the good news, now here’s the bad news. When you put a
    pot of water on the stove and turn on the heat, does it boil right
    away? No, it gets warmer relatively gradually until it reaches the
    boiling point. In the case of earth’s climate, the turning up of the
    heat is represented by the increased carbon dioxide levels ALREADY in
    the atmosphere.

    We’re going to say that again another way. Even if new carbon dioxide
    emissions were reduced to zero, the 400 parts per million already out
    there would STILL bring us to tragic catastrophe. We not only need to
    stop further damage to our atmosphere, and we are not even trying to
    do as much as that, we need to reverse and repair the damage already
    done.

    One news outlet is suggesting that hurricanes on this scale are now
    the “new normal”. Not true. It’s going to get much, much worse. What
    we are witnessing are the first teeny tiny baby steps of a
    civilization ending global climate catastrophe. This one, despite its
    size, barely had hurricane level winds when it hit. Imagine the same
    storm at 150 mph or more. It’s coming to a coast near you unless we
    make radical changes to stop it.

    That’s just how much scary trouble we’re in. And we’d better get real
    about it quick, fast and in a hurry.

    Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
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  46. Hard to add anything to Julian’s missive, but here goes:

    Mr. McKibben:

    Since you are obviously following this discussion, what can you bring us, which has not already been thoroughly demolished, which proves that humans are causing the average temperature of the Earth to rise?

    Surely you will not tout the “models”, will you? Hopefully you know the lack of correlation between carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere, and atmospheric temperature. Maybe you should see the correlation coefficient for yourself. I’ll tell you what: I’ll show you mine, if you’ll show me yours … …

    Deal?

    And just to make sure we’re on the same sheet of music, you need Berner & Kothavala, and the Veizer reconstruction to do the correlation. Just post your coefficient here or at JoNova; I’ve waited and waited and waited for her CAGW proponents to post their coefficients, but they just refuse!

    At your request, we can take the discussion to a private level. Since Anthony has your address, and mine, he is free to share mine with you upon your initiative.

    Regards,

    Mark H.

  47. Julian Flood:

    re your post at November 12, 2012 at 5:28 am

    Excellent! Well said. Thankyou.

    Richard

  48. LW@8:18, RR@9:24 and all “ironing” queries – I think the Daily Bayonet used to use “oh, the ironing” as a deliberate pun on “irony”. DB also used to post a picture of a pretty girl whenever “Weepy Bill McKibben” was mentioned, which was the only reason I would pay any attention to the crybaby.

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