Myles off from the target

It’s most important to get it propertly and professionally wrong Myles, to protect your career of course.

Thanks Josh.
“Modest doubt is called the beacon of the wise.” – Shakespeare.
In the video, Myles reminds me of all the Superior Knowledge types in Britland who some years ago were extolling to an unconvinced populus the virtues of the Euro.
We remained unconvinced – hooray for us! 🙂

Hah! Spit take! That’s been the problem. Us little people need to stay in our place and let the pros screw things up. Don’t need no amateurs slowing down their ability to get things wrong.

Only Chemists and Medics are allowed to wear ties, the former so they don’t cut themselves when they break open vials and the latter to persuade people they are responsible.

I stopped listening after the bit about “you can get two scientists to debate both sides of the climate change issue, but only one will be a nobel laureate that has actually worked in meteorology or other climate related science, and he’ll be of the consensus…” What? Richard Lindzen, Roy Spencer, etc., etc., etc. don’t count?

The Team: “All our errors are peer-reviewed!”

I’m sorry, I know I probably shouldn’t be this way, but why do I get the feeling that watching the Myles Allen “Climategate is so last decade” video is like watching a Monty Python production?

The end of that video says it all!
My translation:
Well, if the public doesn’t like it, we won’t tell the public anymore and we’ll just cancel democracy and become dictators. So there, how do you like that? It is I, Climatis Maximus, ruler of the world!
🙂

“Sad for democracy”, The truth in the last line.

Myles is just another Al Gore- he is thinner, so obviously vast improvement in the visual presentation.
He standing in front of 1850 to present graph and say there was only one mistake and it was about .2 C.
So who wants to listen to this idiot for another second?
I am sure he says more wrong things, but he is boring.
But the matter has reminded me of something.
The average global temperature is suppose to be about 15 C but average global temperature
is never mentioned, it’s always difference in global temperature.
So about 100 year ago, we say it was 1 C cooler. Don’t say today is about 15 C and 100 years ago global temperature was about 14 C. And of course in another 100 years global temperature may be 1 C warmer, but no says the average global temperature will then be about 16 C.
And so tens of thousands of years age during the last glaciation the average temperature may been around 10 degrees cooler, but not a global temperature of around 5 C.
So if we living tens of thousands of years ago, we could someone saying the average temperature of earth is 5 C, and blackbody temperature of earth should be 254.3 K
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
[254.3 K is -18.85 Celsius] So 5 + 18.85 is 23.85.
So instead saying the greenhouse effect was adding 33 C, in ice age it would adding 23 C.
But basic question has the average global temperature Earth ever been 5 C or lower or 15 C or higher. It’s always stated as warmer or cooler by a certain amount, one could assume therefore
the average global was at some point was 5 C or cooler and 15 C or warmer.
What isn’t done is to say- Earth’s average temperature: 0 to 20 C. We never use Earth’s average temperature other than explaining the Greenhouse effect.
Say Earth’s average temperature was instead of 15 C, it was 0 C.
What it doesn’t mean? Is all over world it’s freezing? Even if it Earth’s average temperature -18.85 C would not mean all over earth it freezing. Rather it means that if take all the lows and all the highs and balance these temperature in relationship their area and you get this “average global temperature”
We going to go by large areas: the tropics has average highs of 15 C and lows of 5 C.
Temperate zones has average highs of 10 C and -10 lows./ And arctic zones have average highs of -10 and lows of -40.
So average for tropics is 10 C, temperate 0 C and arctic is -25 C.
I will call this Earth A. What is the average global temperature for Earth A?
Say, Earth B has Tropic 15 C, temperate: -20 C and arctic -40 C
What is Earth B average temperature?
Earth C: tropics 10 C, temperate -10, and arctic -60 C
Earth: D: tropics 5 C, temperate: -15 C and Arctic: -65 C
And finally Earth E: tropics 25 C, temperate 20 C and arctic 0 C.
One could ask a question. Are any of the Earth A to E possible if
at earth distance from the sun and if earth has an atmosphere which somewhat
like earth’s atmosphere. Are all of them possible? And could you a human civilization
on them and/or have animal and plant life as earth does?
Just looking numbers it seems Earth D and E have the coolest and warmest average temperatures.
let’s have Earth F adding 5 C to Earth E from tropics thru arctic. And Earth G subtracting 5 C
from Earth D.
Earth F: 30, 25, and 5 C and Earth G: 0, -20, and -70 C.
So Earth F as guess has average global temperature of about 26 C [78.8 F ].
And let’s say it very close to our current earth in terms land masses and atmospheric composition. The big difference is it’s been in warming period for say 100,000 years.
We currently don’t have such long warming period, but for whatever reason Earth F has.
So first thing I didn’t mention was these temperature are averaged temperature as though
the temperature taken a sea level. And like earth the temperature lower every 1000 meter in elevation by around 5 C.
This world F is much warmer than our earth and has been for 10 times longer than our earth,
and I thought start with question was there any polar ice caps. At at sea level it seems doubtful,
but Antarctic and Greenland have high average elevation.
Bedrock of Greenland is here:
http://nsidc.org/data/atlas/news/bedrock_elevation.html
And a fair amount of greenland land is 1000 to 2000 meters, giving average temperature of 0 to -5 C. So it’s quite likely there are some glaciers on Greenland. And we assume the same is true of the Antarctic.
But to have average temperature of 5 C in the arctic at sea level, is much warmer arctic than we have. And what does mean in terms temperature one would typical have in Summer and winter. Well the current average temperatures for southern coastal towns on Greenland average near 0 C, so don’t need much increase in the summer temperatures, if the winters was say 10 C or more warmer. This Earth F, is going have ice free arctic oceans summers, but seems one still the oceans freezing to some extent during winter. With seasonal variability, the ice may only form a few inches thick, whereas in other years it get say foot or two thick.
So the Earth F has a lot less of polar ice caps than we have and sea level would have risen tens of meters higher than our sea level. What else? We need warmer tropics and temperate
zones. And mainly it’s going to caused by a warmer ocean. Ours averages 3 C, and this world will have average say 13 C, so this means no ocean depth is as cool as 10 C and some ocean depth is warmer than 13 C. And I would guess that this should cause ocean surface temperature particularly in the temperate zone to increase about 10 C. And tropics by 5 C or less. So that’s ballpark.
Now about the coolest one: Earth G: 0, -20, and -70 C
So poles are frozen madhouse, Antarctic is -49 C so much cooler than that.
Average ocean temperature will around 0 C or colder. So such world probably colder than any know ice age. Oh, and what is average global temperature? Hmm it seems somewhere around -20 C.
Let’s start with the equator/tropics. How could it get so cold? You might need the land masses to be in different locations. Without going there, You need a lot snow piled up in the temperate
Zones. Something like like an Antarctic on North America and Europe and Asia also with miles of ice on them. Hmm. Would really need is big Himalayas in tropics.
Anyhow, sea levels going to lowerer, let’s say they are 1000 meters lower than current sea level. This has added bonus making say Mexico 1000 meters higher- makng mountains.
Main thing need lots circulation with tropics dumping snow. I know, you have rafts on ice burgs, rhode island size ice burgs drifting into the tropics.
So the land masses in temperate zone are going piled with ice and much colder than -20, but oceans in temperate at sea level with some big ice burgs floating around, so ocean termperate would be say -5 C average temperature.
Easiest is Katabatic winds
“Katabatic winds are most commonly found blowing out from the large and elevated ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland. The buildup of high density cold air over the ice sheets and the elevation of the ice sheets brings into play enormous gravitational energy. Where these winds are concentrated into restricted areas in the coastal valleys, the winds blow well over hurricane force”
So need mountains ranges with Katabatic winds, cooling and sucking moisture out of tropic oceans. You need some refridgeration system for tropics, and lots fog/clouds so the tropics don’t heat up. But doesn’t seem very stable because if more ocean freezes you have less moisture to make clouds block the sunlight and make snow.
And finally, Earth H- no atmosphere.
A problem with no atmosphere is the Earth A thru G are measuring temperature of the atmosphere. [in the shade in white box].

Very good, Josh, but something is missing – he looks too normal. Perhaps a ballet slipper on his head, tiara-like, and indicative of the fancy footwork he’s brought to the subject. In fact we can probably come up with a list of foot gear for each of the Team members, appropriate to their unique contributions to the sham.