Josh of Cartoons by Josh wrote to me via email today of his latest cartoon about Mike Mann’s book. He writes:
With Mike Mann’s book still getting good coverage in various corners of the media I felt another cartoon was needed. Especially as another Mike, Mike Daisey, gave us such a brilliant quote: “I stand by it as a theatrical work” speaking of his made up story about the conditions at a Chinese factory which makes Apple products ( you can read the whole retraction here).
Mike Mann is not totally happy with all the PR, though, as we know from his Twitter reaction to reviews by Anne Jolis and Miranda Devine. He is probably going to be really teed off when he see this poll on the Daily Kos.
The article’s title is ‘Michael Mann is a Modern Hero and we need to acknowledge that!’. To date around 97% of readers do not agree and think he is either distorting evidence or should be fired from the University. That number sounds like a consensus to me.
And ‘Game of Thrones’? It’s an HBO blockbuster of a series based on George R R Martin’s books ‘A Song of Fire and Ice’. If you haven’t seen the series you might not have the foggiest clue what I am referring to… but, never mind, even the title ‘A Song of Fire and Ice’ couldn’t be more apt. And guess what the show’s slogan is: “Winter is coming”.
The book is currently ranked #3,695 on Amazon.com
Throne of hockey sticks… classic. Worth remembering that in the books, the Iron Throne was designed to be uncomfortable to sit upon, I wonder how comfy Mr Mann’s seat is right now.
I consider him more of an Illyrio Mopatis, a fat money grubber who sees his own profit as most important.
Or maybe an Aerys Targaryen (the Mad King) who spent the last hours of his life repeating “Burn them all” about the rebelling forces of Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark… (ok, holy snip I know too much about these books off the top of my head… !)
Couldn’t happen to a nicer chap
I thought the Kos poll had gone higher than that? Yep – just checked – 98.2% now disapprove of Mann one way or another
Andi
Love the ‘tree rings’ atop the throne! Or, are they turkey feathers?
The poll —– 97%.
Familiar consensus? Irony? Message? Cosmic? Something for sure!
Ha ha ha, I despise that Mann.
Am totally against remote text-based psychiatry but If I were a friend of Mann’s I’d be very worried about his mental state having read some of his tweets (despite the idiot blocking me).
The guy is on a quest to save our children. I’m on a quest to save our children too, from him and people like him that is.
The poll picture made me chuckle – thank you.
Behold another excellent cartoon by Josh.
My take on the poll numbers at KOS is there are 69 regular readers at the site and WATTSUPWITHTHAT threw them an additional 3670 hits or a temporary increase on the order of 5000%.
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings and commented:
Processed cheeseseseses……:)
Is the back of that throne made of a TURKEY fan?
Is that throne made out of bristlecone pine?
Is Mann stowing thrones?
I always had Mann down as a bit of a drama queen. Infamy,infamy, they’ve all got it in for me!
If you add the votes in the top 4 categories, you actually reach less than 2% of the total votes, so Mann’s opposition actually accounts for more than 98%. Well deserved.
Yep, Fire him.
pity we cant vote for BOTH the last options:-)
The guy is on a quest to save our children. I’m on a quest to save our children too, from him and people like him that is.
Maurizio: So with you on that, such a dysfunctional mental outlook is not something I wish to see my children ever exposed to without adequate supervision to educate them as to that being not the way to behave if you ever wish to really contribute to society over the long haul. For that and that alone, Mann is the perfect example.
Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Fox News and others, has succeeded in demonizing Dr. Mann. His work stands, however, and the conditions he expertly describes, are real. The global temperature is rising and we all need to do something to remedy this problem.Mann, and the legion of practicing climate scientists, have given us the information we need to “fix the problem” and the longer we delay this effort the more expensive and difficult it will be.
Hugh – obviously Murdoch is some kind of Lord of the Flies then as I must’ve been heavily affected by Fox News despite having watched perhaps 10 minutes grand total of it during the whole of my life.
Ah, and your statement about “the information we need” certainly qualifies for the Annals of Cretinhood.
Hugh Pepper says: March 22, 2012 at 3:56 am
[Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Fox News and others, has succeeded in demonizing Dr. Mann]
That combined with the measured data from nature have really been a problem for the mann.
Hugh Pepper, you have no shame. You have been shown to be a liar right here, and yet you continue to post your verifiable nonsense.
Global temperatures have been rising along exactly the same long term trend line since the LIA, whether CO2 levels were 280 ppmv or are 392 ppmv. There is no difference in that naturally rising trend line, therefore CO2 has no measurable effect. It seems that everyone but you knows that.
Michael Mann is only a part of a small clique of climate alarmists who are greedily feeding at the public trough. Mann fights tooth and nail to keep any federal grant money from going to skeptical climate scientists. He is an entirely self-serving climate charlatan, and credulous fools like you who know nothing of the subject ignorantly fall into line. If Mann believed the anti-science nonsense he emits, he would have no hesitation about defending it in scientific debates. Instead, he hides out, hoping that his ignorant followers take potshots from the sidelines. That is not science, that is propaganda. And you are an enabler of his mendacity.
You still have not provided the [non-existent] citations to your seven (7) mythical papers that you repeatedly claimed confirm Mann’s debunked MBH98/99 nonsense. Until/unless you provide those [non-existent] citations, your baseless opinions are nothing more than dishonest talking points that you get from incredible sources like RealClimatePropaganda and Pseudo-Skeptical Pseudo-Science.
If I’m wrong about any of this, provide those seven mythical citations we’re still waiting for. The gauntlet is down. Put up or shut up.
Ha ha hah, Hey Hugh Pepper, you forgot the sarc. Always remember the sarc button otherwise someone might accidentally think you seriously believe that drivel! You got me laughing so hard my eyes are watering.
Universetoday interview climate researcher Michael Mann
about his recent book,
and what it’s like to be on the front lines of climate change research.
“We can not play by the rules” – Michael Mann at 38:43
Hugh Pepper: LOL! You pegged the needle on my sarcasmometer.
Soren Bundgard: thanks for this link and the note on Mann’s remark. To me it is very telling that, filled with enthusiasm, he gets careless and lets us all see that his cause justifies breaking the rules. His approach to things like science is unstable and I think it is now sliding uncontrollably toward patent, florid sociopathology. But IANAS (I am not a shrink) and I can’t even play one on the Interwebz. Still, watching Mann is a cause for wonder, and maybe a little wisdom, at how fools rush in. Pass the popcorn.
A warmista coat-of-arms would go well with that throne. On the left would be Gleick and on the right Mann, both wearing flame-proof armour, a fiery earth between them and something about integrity in the motto.
Don’t feed the trolls.
Soren Bundgard: Love Mann’s first comment:
“thank you Nancy, it’s great to be hanging out”
Gross understatement
Although Mann is distorting both climate science and the debate about it in the media in the video linked above, I must report that what he says at @ 38:50 is “We cannot play by their rules.”
So that would make him a Con Mann?
I guess the trouble with Mike is his ability to convince other scientists, and especially people whose work depend on science being cool and marketable. That’s why he keeps getting sycophantic accolades by the trade associations, together with his pal Gavin, despite the obvious total inability to link up with the wider public.
It’s ivory towers all the way down.
I’ve always thought that the most important thing that we can do to combat Catastrophic Climate Change (which threatens us every one from our pointy little heads to our frosty little piggies) is to fire up our coal-powered computers, running on a network made of substances mined using petroleum & coal, sitting in our houses warmed by coal or gas or oil while snacking on high-quality petroleum byproducts being hawked by a cat in sunglasses (wiping the residue on our pants made in Indonesia), and whine about some mythical sky-god named “FoxNews” who supposedly controls everything in the universe.
That, or flying hundreds of gigantic metal sausages to tropical islands. One of those things is bound to fix the problem, or my name isn’t Steven “Cadillac Escalade” Chu.
Mann’s getting hammered in the comments to his WSJ letter to the Editor. So far, one comment out of twelve support him, and it is a true believer’s whimper to authority.
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For the benefit of the non-hockey fans, the throne is made of hockey sticks, not turkey feathers [although they too, would be appropriate].
The lines are the wrappings of tape.
Heh, same here. Hugh Pepper, check your catechism. It has a use by date.
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Who lives by the stick, dies by the stick.
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Josh,
Great job, as always.
There may be a viewer or two that might miss the significance of the background color; so . . .
There are phrases “in the purple” and “born in the purple.” The royalty of previous generations believed the color purple was meant for them. A room with walls made of a purple rock was used as a birthing room, reserved for the Queen. So, to be “born in the purple’ would mean your mother was Queen when you were born, and, perhaps, an earlier born brother might not have been so born even though he had the same mother. That was an important distinction. The color was achieved in fabrics from use of a dye made from sea snails. Search on the phrase “Tyrian purple” for that.
For the rock, search on “porphyry” and its historical sources and uses. Go to the Saudi Aramco World (magazine) site and in the search box type the word. There are seven results. Pick the one titled “Via Porphyrites” and find the text. At the very bottom is a link to graphics. The second article in the list (Millennia of Murex) is about the dye.
Watching, with agony, the interview with Mann posted by Soren above I was repeatedly struck by the insistence that it’s “them vs. us”, deniers vs. scientists where Mann is a scientist, and anyone who questions him is a denier and NOT a scientist. (Lindzen, Spencer, Christy, …. they may be wrong, but they ARE scientists, and their credibility is most certainly no less than equal to or greater than Mann’s.)
The position taken is akin to a member of one political party getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but when the other party demands an audit to prove the wrongdoing, they’re accused of being “anti-business” and not playing by the rules.
Mann does say that they’ve been playing by the rules…. True science doesn’t recognize “rules” in this context, so why would they need to not play by the rules if their “science” is genuine?
Mann’s claim that CO2 is the “big knob” should stand on its own quite easily if it’s true. So far, I don’t think it is. As further insult to his credibility as an actual scientist, there is more and more evidence to suggest that his field of tree rings as temperature proxie is eroding.
“Hugh Pepper says:
March 22, 2012 at 3:56 am
Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Fox News and others, has succeeded in demonizing Dr. Mann.”
These are the words of either a sarcastic wise ass troll, or a propagandist who mistakenly assumes that his readers are as easily hood-winked as he is. If it’s the former, well done sir. If the latter, the accidental irony on display is stunning.
Smokeysaid:
Mann fights tooth and nail to keep any federal grant money from going to skeptical climate scientists.
If grant ‘peer’ review in climatology is via study sections as with NIH it depends on who in the govt. agency is in charge of the sections and who appoints the so-called peers. If the warmistas get into this position, skeptics WILL not get any funding. The warmistas will divvy it out among themselves. Hey, isn’t this what is happening?
Josh,
I Loved the highlighted tree rings in the chair. Tying the “theatrical work” of Mike Daisey to the science of Dr. Mann was genius! I envision mugs, t-shits, etc with this cartoon. Maybe we can have a new survey:
Hockey Stick work by Dr. Mann- Please rate it as to the method used to generate the graph
1) Traditional use of the Scientific Method
2) Post Normal Science Scientific Method
3) Theatrical Work using some tools from 1 and 2)
4) None of the Above
5) Your alternative as to the method:_________________________________
I just added my vote at the Daily Kos. That poll is going to leave a big mark, and deservedly so.
Hugh Pepper says:
March 22, 2012 at 3:56 am
HaHaHaHaHAHAHaHAhaha….. *gasp*…. *chuckle*… *head shake*… Idiot.
I’ve never seen a more verifiable piece of propaganda in my whole 4 years visiting WUWT. I’m extremely glad Pepper is the author.
The only more appropriate place would be for Mann’s work to stand in a pile of coprolites that weren’t quite fossilized.
Oh, and Mann’s claim to be a “scientist” is completely bogus. Real scientists don’t hide their work.
Harold Ambler has it correct. Mann says “we cannot play by their rules”. Nothing evil in that. Stick to what is actually evil in his work – there’s no shortage of it.
Hugh Pepper says:
March 22, 2012 at 3:56 am
Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Fox News and others, has succeeded in demonizing Dr. Mann. His work stands, however, and the conditions he expertly describes, are real. The global temperature is rising and we all need to do something to remedy this problem.Mann, and the legion of practicing climate scientists, have given us the information we need to “fix the problem” and the longer we delay this effort the more expensive and difficult it will be.
No, Mann (and the legion) have not given any information on how to “fix the problem”. They have merely produced a self-serving load of parrot-droppings that sets off a droning recital from the Troll Factor. The solution, oddly alluded to in quotes above, is worse than the problem. It already HAS been expensive and difficult, with no foreseeable positive outcome. You must lead a lonely existence, Hugh. Are you sure you are in the right forum? Maybe contact the Gleickist Legions for tips on how to “fix the problem” of how things just don’t add up in your world.
kim says:
March 22, 2012 at 6:28 am
Who lives by the stick, dies by the stick.
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Brief, but very well said, it speaks volumes. See my comment here…http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/22/more-evidence-the-medieval-warm-period-was-global/#comment-931382
Hugh Pepper says:
March 22, 2012 at 3:56 am
Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Fox News and others, has succeeded in demonizing Dr. Mann.”
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Did they really need Fox news? I mean the “team” of scientist that did the reconstuctions did a far better job then Fox news of debasing their own work as seen in the FOIA release of e-mails
Bradley:
“I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year “reconstruction”.”
Cook:
“I am afraid that Mike is defending something that increasingly cannot be defended. He is investing too much personal stuff in this and not letting the science move ahead.”
Cook goes on at a different point, bashing all the reconstructions and admitting that if they did their best work, they still would know “fuck all” about the past.
Go ahead Hugh, challenge me on this.
Fred’s “con Mann” entry into the lexicon might spur on someone to compose a proposed list of new entries for Webster’s best seller.
We have all seen ‘Mann-made global warming’ Any others come to mind?
How about expressions? Oh, Mann!; Wow, Mann; Mann, don’t you dig it?; The End of Mann; …???
Or Bible verses:
Yet Mann is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward…
Should not the multitude of words be answered? and should a Mann full of talk be justified?…
For vain men would be wise, though Mann be born like a wild ass’s colt.–Job
Hugh Pepper says:
“The global temperature is rising and we all need to do something to remedy this problem.”
To which I reply: SFW.
As a great English journalist and playwright (Keith Waterhouse) was wont to say: “Don’t just do something, stand there!!”
Nice one Josh, reminds me of the Henry’s big belly, took some guests around Hampton Court the other day, weather still magnificent.
kakatoa says:
March 22, 2012 at 7:11 am
Hockey Stick work by Dr. Mann- Please rate it as to the method used to generate the graph
1) Traditional use of the Scientific Method
2) Post Normal Science Scientific Method
3) Theatrical Work using some tools from 1 and 2)
4) None of the Above
5) Your alternative as to the method: “scientific body checking” (ad hominems as opposed to fact checking); “high sticking” (spliced graph techniques to get temperature uptick post 1960); “blocking” (blocking scientific papers that don’t support “the cause”); “contesting the referee” (getting unbiased editors removed from their positions).
CW – code monkey with a wrench says:
March 22, 2012 at 6:58 am
“Hugh Pepper says:
March 22, 2012 at 3:56 am
Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Fox News and others, has succeeded in demonizing Dr. Mann.”
These are the words of either a sarcastic wise ass troll, or a propagandist who mistakenly assumes that his readers are as easily hood-winked as he is. If it’s the former, well done sir. If the latter, the accidental irony on display is stunning.
Well said Code Monkey. By the way, Hugh Pepper’s statement would be much closer to the truth if he wrote:
Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Dr. Mann and others, such as Hugh Pepper, has attempted to demonize Fox News”
The formerly-great Hugh Pepper, reduced to pasting in a canned pro-Mann propaganda piece written from a script. I would say “Oh how the mighty have fallen” except he never was all that mighty to begin with.
Oh well, maybe he can incorporate a randomizing function to spit these out, make them possibly interesting. Although given there’s a bit of a lack of flow to this one… Maybe he already has. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen auto-generated spam that read better, or at least no worse.
What I thought was one of the most interesting aspects of the ClimateGate 1 and 2 emails was that many of them were obviously never intended to be seen or read by Michael Mann. Communicating amongst themselves they did seem to hold him in very low regard. Probably what upset Mann the most was finding out what his colleagues really thought of him.
Fake but accurate.
A throne of hockey sticks!
excellent
dp says:
March 22, 2012 at 7:41 am
Harold Ambler has it correct. Mann says “we cannot play by their rules”. Nothing evil in that. Stick to what is actually evil in his work – there’s no shortage of it.
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Our “Rules” are the scientific method and publication of data and methods in a peer reviewed journal so the science can validated.
We have ample evidence that Mann and friends do not play by those rules. Instead they used “Pal” review, lawyers, hides their data, lose the data, ignore FOIA, and resorts to threats including getting a journal editor removed.
As I have said before “Science” richly deserves the black eye it is getting. It needs to be dragged from the Ivory Tower and through the mud and that is what is starting to happen.
Here are some examples:
New York Times: “A well-known psychologist in the Netherlands whose work has been published widely in professional journals falsified data and made up entire experiments, an investigating committee has found.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/health/research/noted-dutch-psychologist-stapel-accused-of-research-fraud.html
“In a July 26 letter to Cetero, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration describes the falsification as “extensive,” calling into question all bioanalytical data collected by Cetero’s Houston bioanalytical laboratory from April 1, 2005 to June 15, 2010. The FDA said Cetero manipulated test samples so the tests would yield desired results.” http://www.medcitynews.com/2011/07/fda-says-cro-cetero-faked-trial-data-pharmas-may-need-to-redo-tests/
“A former scientist at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University was found to have falsified reports in federally funded projects, including two published studies.” http://www.dailyorange.com/news/former-suny-upstate-medical-university-scientist-falsified-reports-in-published-works-1.2803396#.T2tyuuCwcxI
The poll might be more clever than we think …
* High vote for “The Mann”? – excellent!
* Excessively high vote against “The Mann”? – confirms what “The Mann” has been saying – these are all the fossil-fuel-funded deniers flocking over and merely reinforces what the article said all along!
Win = Win
Gail has it right. “Their” rules are the rules of the Scientific Method.
So there is plenty “evil” in that.
He’s an embarrassment to Penn State, as well as to the taxpayers of Pennsylvania who are forced to subsidize his distortions and exaggerations.
Of course, he fits right in at Penn State.
As catholicfundametnalism.com points out frequently, we, and he, should be more worried about final judgment, especially in light of Dante’s thesis, that the most painful regions of Hell are reserved for those who participated in “complex frauds”.
Hugh Pepper says:
March 22, 2012 at 3:56 am
Propaganda, as ruthlessly practiced By Fox News and others, has succeeded in demonizing Dr. Mann. His work stands, however, and the conditions he expertly describes, are real. The global temperature is rising and we all need to do something to remedy this problem.Mann, and the legion of practicing climate scientists, have given us the information we need to “fix the problem” and the longer we delay this effort the more expensive and difficult it will be.
Hugh Pepper, that’s so funny. You’re a commedian right, LOL.
Or maybe you’re just completely gullible, you’re priceless.
Hahah. WUWT made my day with this post.
I think Hugh Pepper is just desperate for his own cartoon.
…perhaps something featuring lost marbles?
98% , not 97% think Mann’s a scammer.
“Sir, praise me not;
My work hath yet not warm’d me: fare you well:”
The Tragedy of Coriolanus, Act 1, Scene 5
William Shakespeare
About that poll…
If you go there and just keep on pressing the “Vote” button, the count just keeps racking up. Do you really think those 3000-odd votes for “distorting the evidence” are from 3000-odd different people? Pah!
REPLY: I just double checked all this. Unless you have cookies disabled and a rotating IP address required to defeat the poll security, your statement is demonstrably false – Anthony
John B,
Wrong. I voted once. After I voted, the vote total screen came up, but it didn’t offer the option to vote again.
Besides, you no doubt would have voted for the option saying that “Michael Mann is an outstanding scientist and human being”. That one had only eleven votes when I checked just now.
You are projecting, like when a thief thinks everyone else is a thief, too. No doubt you would have been hitting that vote button a lot more than eleven times. If you could.
The public can smell a rat. Mann is an odious little creature. Everything he says and everything he writes makes him look bad, from his book, to the Climategate emails, to his newspaper columns and public statements. He is a serial name-caller [deniers, denialists, contrarians, Koch Brothers, funded by Big Oil, etc], and his science is crooked. He is vindictive, his co-workers don’t much like him, and now the far-Left Daily Kos poll shows that 97% of voters believe Mann is a self-serving, corrupt climate charlatan who should be fired.
BTW If you want to see the Mann himself
http://warren-wilson.edu/blogs/blog/2012/02/21/climate-wars-author-to-speak-april-3-at-warren-wilson/
Maybe someone can turn up and give him a signed copy of The Hockey Stick Illusion?
Smokey, Anthony,
I just went to the article from your link, selected Results, then hit the Vote button a few times. All my votes counted, I think. Now I can’t cvote, s I’m guessing I got through their security quite by accident. I used Firefox, with no special settings.
John
REPLY: I tried it on a virgin machine never having visited the site before, and was prevented from voting after the first vote was recorded. Almost every poll like this has some sort of basic security like that. I can’t imagine this one would not, otherwise why wouldn’t we see more votes from supporters if it was wide open as some people suggest? – Anthony
keith says:
March 22, 2012 at 6:25 pm
BTW If you want to see the Mann himself
http://warren-wilson.edu/blogs/blog/2012/02/21/climate-wars-author-to-speak-april-3-at-warren-wilson/
Maybe someone can turn up and give him a signed copy of The Hockey Stick Illusion?
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Better yet ask Mann to sign the copy of The Hockey Stick Illusion you might even be able to slide it in without him figuring out what it is he is signing.
Boy would THAT be a collector’s item decades down the road.
At 1007 23 March 2012, the voting stood at
Michael Mann
did not choose to became a symbol — 0% 14 votes
has been attacked in many of the same ways that the President and John Kerry were — 0% 12 votes
Is an outstanding scientist and human being — 0% 11 votes
all of the above — 1% 54 votes
is distorting evidence to prove his point — 71% 3029 votes
should be fired from the university — 26% 1115 votes
Total — 4238 votes
The consensus is that Mann-made Global Warm–uhhhhh–Climate Change a fraud, and it’s worse than he thought.
The debate is over…
Josh, a suggestion for the next cartoon in this series – Mike sitting on his throne with his pants down.
John B is still fabricating his bogus story, as Bill Tuttle shows above in a post subsequent to John B’s claims of multiple voting.
Why is it that the purveyors of the “carbon” scare are all serial liars? They all are, from Mann to Schneider to Gleick, and all the way down to John B. It’s probably because they know that if they told the truth, there would be no scare. But that does not excuse their lying.
“The book is currently ranked #3,695 on Amazon.com”
Proving that the committed basically don’t read anyway.
Buy the book, keep the dust cover. You’ll not regret it.
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Gail Combs at:
March 22, 2012 at 11:45 am gets it right by citing actual bad behavior rather than attacking a poor audio track. Well done and back on “track”.