Los Angeles TV station pans California’s AB32 climate bill

This is a surprise, a major TV station in Los Angeles pushes back against the California Air Resources Board AB32 bill aka California’s Global Warming Solutions Act. I urge readers to drop him a letter of support at the email address included in the transcript below.

Click to play the video on KTTV's page

Transcript follows. 

LOS ANGELES – KTTV Vice-President and General Manager Kevin Hale takes a look at how one well-intentioned Climate Change Bill might damage our economy beyond repair in this P.O.V.

When Governor Schwarzenegger signed AB 32 six years ago, it was pre-recession. And that legislation, California’s Global Warming Solutions Act, despite its good intentions, will wreak havoc on our state’s economy.

The California Air Resources Board, under AB 32, recently approved the nation’s first “cap and trade” system, which effectively charges the state’s industries fees for emissions when they exceed a cap—in effect a tax—with the aim of curtailing California’s greenhouse gases.

The bill was passed for all the right reasons but the reality is, right now we are in a down economy, and AB 32 is a business killer. It effectively will be looked at as a back door tax that will push even more California businesses to move out of state.

California, although a leader on environmental issues, cannot solve the problem of greenhouses gases alone. When AB 32 was sold to voters, the promise was that other states would follow our lead. So far, none have.

A study by California State University, Sacramento, commissioned by the California Small Business Roundtable, estimates AB 32’s total cost to be more than $182 billion in lost output, raising living costs by $3,857 per household by the year 2020.

In light of these devastating numbers, I am asking Governor Brown and the legislature to put a moratorium on AB 32.

Look, we all agree that saving the environment is of the utmost importance but I believe that we should revisit this legislation when the economy improves and when other states are ready to join us.

Thanks for listening.  I’d like to hear your Point of View.  Go to myfoxla.com and click on P-O-V or send me an email at POV@fox11.com
Read more: http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/pov/pov-climate-change-bill-2012-03-15#ixzz1pIClmX6Q

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93 Responses to Los Angeles TV station pans California’s AB32 climate bill

  1. R Taylor says:

    I know California is different, but I fail to see how enforced support of Voodoo is well-intentioned, except in extremely backward regions such as Berkeley.

  2. pat says:

    Oh oh. He is off the meme.

  3. Curiousgeorge says:

    His argument has been stated before, many times. The thing is that the Econuts, and the ARB don’t give damn about economic impacts. They have a higher calling – SAVING THE PLANET! And the objective is to impoverish, or cause to die, everyone except them and their slaves in order to fulfill their Utopian Fantasy. They are such sweethearts (for Totalitarians).

  4. Andrew30 says:

    What bothered me about this CAGW thing a few years ago was not the taxation or the socialist intent or the windmills or the government largess to the NGOs. It was the perversion of Science.

    If ‘they’, the Team, etc. back down because ‘it is not a good time now’ or ‘the economy is bad’ then Nothing has been accomplished. The people must come to understand that 1) There never was a potential catastrophe; and 2) That the human effect on the climate is just noise compared to natural variability. Unless and until that happens, people like this guy claiming they did it “for all the right reasons” simply perpetuate the Lie that is the manifestation of this perversion of Science and thus conceal their own responsibility for the unfounded scare they propagated.

    Getting the right anwser for the wrong reason does not cut it.

  5. chemman says:

    “Look, we all agree that saving the environment is of the utmost importance but I believe that we should revisit this legislation when the economy improves and when other states are ready to join us.”
    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    When those other states don’t join, What then?

  6. Oldseadog says:

    Comment sent.

  7. Latitude says:

    No matter what level of government….they are always looking for ways to collect more of our money

  8. Dave says:

    LOL. People actually believed this promise?

    “California, although a leader on environmental issues, cannot solve the problem of greenhouses gases alone. When AB 32 was sold to voters, the promise was that other states would follow our lead. So far, none have.”

  9. Big D in TX says:

    Sigh. I hope this gains traction, for the sake of my good friends who moved to San Francisco recently.

    I tried to tell then CA was not a good choice before the cap and trade mess, and after last fall I pleaded, there are 48 other states that aren’t Texas if you feel you must leave, that haven’t yet passed this disastrous legislation. I fear for their security when the mobile development bubble bursts (which the couple largely works in).

  10. Neil Jones says:

    “The energy-saving light bulb ends up as hazardous waste, too much insulation promotes mold and household drains are emitting a putrid odor because everyone is saving water. Many of Germany’s efforts to protect the environment are a chronic failure, but that’s unlikely to change.”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,821396,00.html

  11. Tim Clark says:

    [When AB 32 was sold to voters, the promise was that other states would follow our lead. So far, none have.]

    When HAS any other state followed CA’s incompetent lead. Hey Dudes, what’s your debt up to now?

  12. Stephen Singer says:

    Looks to me like he has sipped the coolaid and finds the taste a bit yucky. So, he wants to set it aside for a while and then try it again to see if his taste buds were just off that day.

  13. JDN says:

    I’m disappointed to hear this. I like train wrecks, and, the California CARB deserves to be one. Everything else CA is doing is wrong on so many fronts, and, they influence the rest of the country. I want to see them sprial down in flames. Without cautionary examples of this sort, petty officials will continue to see “Green” and “Sustainable” as voter-friendly buzz words.

  14. Chuck L says:

    No kudos from me. He still believes “that saving the environment is of the utmost importance” and when “the economy improves and when other states are ready to join us” (which I hope is never), they will institute Cap & Trade in CA.

    He is another CA enviro-whacko, the only difference is that he being somewhat pragmatic.

  15. TomB says:

    It took great courage to put forward even this limp-wristed opposition. But I don’t see it as being able to accomplish anything. If we’ve learned anything from FakeGate, it’s that they will do anything to win their argument.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/american-life-retracts-apple-episode-says-daisey-fabricated-175638428.html

  16. mike about town says:

    awesome reasoning…even for someone who believes AGW is real and that this legislation would help if all states enacted it.

  17. AlexS says:

    “The bill was passed for all the right reasons”
    .
    It was not.

  18. Peter Miller says:

    Far too much common sense – absolutely no chance the rank and file greenies will accept this until the economic collapse they engineered starts to hit their state paid benefits/grants etc.

  19. RobWansbeck says:

    There is even hope for the BBC. The local BBC TV news has specifically blamed carbon taxes for the closure of an aluminium smelter in North East England.

    I guess Richard Black will need to have a word.

  20. George says:

    It’s bad out here in California. How bad?

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/03/california-tax-revenues-plunge.html

    They keep raising taxes and instituting regulation and businesses keep fleeing and tax revenues keep dropping. Tax revenue down a whopping 22% in one year. 1/3 of all welfare recipients in the US are in California. California has the third highest unemployment rate in the country. Business flight last year was more than 5x what it was in 2009. Worse, businesses that might wish to relocate to California aren’t and new businesses aren’t starting here. California is business hostile and 100% of a state’s tax revenue finds its roots in business.

    California should be taking exactly the opposite approach. Slash taxes in half, in fact, eliminate taxes on business and cut regulations. That would result in an explosion of business activity that would fill the tax coffers. But no. They are determined to destroy the economy of California by the most efficient means possible: strangulation.

    One thing California does is to discriminate against business in a very sneaky way. They create generally hostile business conditions and then they offer certain fair-haired child businesses special major tax breaks. Solyndra, for example, was given huge sales tax breaks. They had to pay no sales tax on the equipment for their facility in Fremont. Twitter gets special payroll tax breaks that other companies don’t get. They were going to leave San Francisco but got special breaks that other businesses don’t get because they were such a high profile example that the politicians were fearful that Twitter’s leaving would cost he supervisors their jobs.

    California is a perfect example of why “Progressive” policy is unsustainable. It ends up wiping out its own source of cash. It declares war on its own food supply. In short, it is stupid.

  21. danj says:

    In cult suicide rituals, you don’t want to go first and trust that the others really will follow you…

  22. Toto says:

    When Governor Schwarzenegger signed AB 32 six years ago, it was pre-recession. And that legislation, California’s Global Warming Solutions Act, despite its good intentions, will wreak havoc on our state’s economy.

    We know where the road paved with good intentions leads to, right?

    If you’re going to cure global warming by wrecking the economy, or wreaking havoc on it, does it matter if the economy is bad right now?

  23. R Barker says:

    Kevin has the right approach. If you want to convince the “believers” that they need to hold off on implementing AB32, then you have to give them a reason they can be comfortable with. Walk it back one step at a time. Whatever works. The non-believers don’t need convincing. They already know it is a dumb idea.

  24. More Soylent Green! says:

    Just get somebody to run the climate models with AB32, then compare the model results without. That ought to be enough to stop this nonsense.

    Mind you, I think the models are wrong, but what I expect this to show is AB32 won’t make any noticeable difference. If that doesn’t kill it, then run a cost-benefit analysis on the results.

    Once you kill AB32, do the same thing with any of the global climate control schemes and you’ll see similar results.

  25. JohnWho says:

    Quote: “The bill was passed for all the right reasons but the reality is, right now we are in a down economy
    ,..
    Look, we all agree that saving the environment is of the utmost importance …

    Sorry, but first, I do not agree that the bill was passed for all of the right reasons at all. I’m not even sure I’ll agree that there was any “reasoning” applied at all.

    And, look, many of us agree that curtailing CO2 emissions won’t do a thing toward “saving” the environment and we also accept that increased CO2 in the atmosphere has many beneficial aspects.

    I will agree however, that a moratorium on AB 32 followed by appealing it would be in California’s best interest.

  26. mkelly says:

    The universe does not care about saving the environment.
    The solar system does not care about saving the environment.
    The earth itself does not care about saving the environment.
    Only the human inhabitants of earth care about saving the environment and I being human share some of the caring, but not from CO2.

  27. D. King says:

    I think we need to tie state bureaucrat / employee salaries (all) to business PROFIT, minus environmental / other lawsuit awards. Then we’ll see the state take off again.

    It’s past time to stop the lawyer’s piglet feeding frenzy.

    This problem is mimicked by the Feds.

    http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=174&load=3206

  28. Roger Sowell says:

    My take on California, AB32 and other onerous regulations, is that an unspoken goal governs. The goal is to reduce the population by approximately one-half, have zero gasoline or diesel use, and only clean industries. It’s a Utopian fantasy, but it makes sense out of the state’s long-standing pattern of regulations. AB32 is but the most recent in a long string of anti-business and anti-growth regulations.

    Examples: no growth in water supply for decades. No improvements to roads or highways other than token additions. High wages mandated by law, making all products and services uncompetitive. Restricting building permits so real estate is prohibitively expensive. Clean air regulations that go beyond human health requirements and cause business and consumer costs to zoom. High taxes to discourage business and population in-migration. High electricity prices via a multi-tiered scheme. The list is almost unending.

    The population is approaching 40 million. I believe the goal is 20 million, plus all cars and trucks to be powered by batteries, and all electric power generated by wind, solar, geothermal, or recycled waste.

    There is a consistent pattern in this state.

  29. Tom B. says:

    On the contrary, I’ll be sending lots of emails to the state legislature to defend the bill to the death! I live in Texas, and we have been one of the beneficiaries of the incredibly stupid things the CA folks are doing. Keep it up! Pass more legislation! Save the whales, stop nuclear energy, find more endangered species! I won’t shed a tear California finally crumbles under the weight of it’s own peoples amazing actions….. (and will lobby equally hard AGAINST the expected national government bailout suggestions)

    U-Haul charges thousands for one way rentals CA – TX, but cannot find people to go TX – CA, so ends up paying people to get their vehicles back to CA. ’nuff said.

  30. old engineer says:

    A while back, when discussing California here at WUWT, someone used one way rental costs from the U-Haul truck rental company. I thought this was a great way to track the movement of people. Since the truck rentals are one way, they tend to collect in areas that people are moving to, and are in demand where people are moving from. Thus, trucks are rented at a lower rate going to those locations where they are needed.

    Looking at U-Haul rates for a 17 foot truck:

    From: San Jose, CA to Austin, Tx: $1426

    From Austin, Tx to San Jose, CA :$625

    From San Jose, CA to Phoenix, AZ: $627

    From Phoenix, AZ to San Jose, CA $294

    Note that it costs more than twice as much to rent a truck going from San Jose as is does to rent a truck going to San Jose. More people are definitely leaving California than are moving there. That can’t be good for economy.

  31. D. King says:

    Roger Sowell says:
    March 16, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Yes Roger, U.N. Agenda 12

    Here is “Agenda 21 For Dummies”

  32. pk says:

    It’s bad out here in California. How bad?

    its so bad the illegals are going back to mexico to get a job.

    badabing, bada booom bada bing.

    C

  33. Affizzyfist says:

    I wonder if the Qld labourr governmenmt is going to sue Flannery for telling them that it would never rain again in Queeensland due to global warming or even BOM?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/damages-to-flow-from-wivenhoe-dam-breach/story-fn59niix-1226302194752

  34. pk says:

    It’s bad out here in California. How bad?

    ita so bad that the politicians charge sales taxes on the gas taxes paid at the pump. yeah thats a TAX on the TAXES paid for road maintainence and construction that somehow finds its way into other things.

    badabing, bada booom bada bing.

    C

  35. Steve S says:

    George:

    I read in the news yesterday, or perhaps the day before that Brown was toying around with the idea of raising taxes on the wealthy yet again. At this point, I don’t think even a moratorium on AB32 will save that once proud state.

  36. Never mind how strong their eye-glasses, some humans cannot see any further than to the tip of their noses anyway.
    Shut down fossil fuel use and you shut down industry. — Easy to see for some but for the nearsighted —?

    – How come Conan the Barbarian got to govern the civilized people of California anyway?

  37. Jimbo says:

    Reality strikes! Slowly but surely people and the media are beginning to see the light of the pointlessness of sacrificing over a non-problem.

    The bill was passed for all the right reasons but the reality is, right now we are in a down economy, and AB 32 is a business killer. It effectively will be looked at as a back door tax that will push even more California businesses to move out of state.

    California, although a leader on environmental issues, cannot solve the problem of greenhouses gases alone. When AB 32 was sold to voters, the promise was that other states would follow our lead. So far, none have.

  38. Robert Brown says:

    $182 billion. Wow. Just wow.

    Now multiply that by how many decades? Why wait for a “catastrophe”? We can cause one ourselves now and beat the game!

    rgb

  39. David, UK says:

    “Look, we all agree that saving the environment is of the utmost importance but…”

    Who is he trying to kid? Most normally-adjusted people don’t agree with anything of the sort.

  40. pk says:

    back in the middle seventies i watched the prices of machine tools, earthmovers and other large expensive items.

    los angeles county added a half percent sales tax bringing the sales tax on a bulldozer to 4.5%.

    ~ $85,000 purchase at the time. within a year all of the major companies moved from La county to orange county.

    now the sales tax for some parts of LA county is hovering around 8.5% and they just don’t understand………

    C

  41. u.k.(us) says:

    Not sure how my left-leaning major Chicago newspaper let this article get their ink, but it was on my door-step this morning.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/11318027-418/story.html

    Excerpt:
    “Experts at the Climate Prediction Center say give a hearty thank you, in part, to something called the Madden-Julian Oscillation.

    Like the proverbial butterfly flapping its wings in Africa that helps cause a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico, far-flung climate patterns hundreds or even thousands of miles away are helping fuel the nation’s bizarre, record-shattering March heat.

    Three global climate patterns — the Madden-Julian Oscillation, La Nina, and the Arctic Oscillation — are contributing in some way to this surreal March, says Jon Gottschalck, head of forecast operations at the Climate Prediction Center.

    The Madden-Julian Oscillation, named for the two scientists who discovered it in the early 1970s, is a climate pattern in the tropics. It’s basically a large-scale disturbance that moves east around the Earth’s equator over a period of 30-60 days, influencing rainfall and weather patterns around the world, he says.

    The more well-known La Nina climate pattern — a cooling of tropical ocean water in the Pacific — is also a factor, as is the Arctic Oscillation, a swinging of high and low atmospheric pressure over the Arctic.”
    ==============
    The article credits: James Scalzitti, Gannett News Service.
    A pretty good read, with no mention of AGW.

  42. pk says:

    OHD says:
    – How come Conan the Barbarian got to govern the civilized people of California anyway?

    we thought he was a republican, he said he was a republican, they funded him, he was marked one on the recall ballot.
    it was just that an hour after they finished counting the ballots things changed.
    smart money was that he got the word at the breakfast table.

    C

  43. Olen says:

    Is there anything they do that does not wreck havoc?

    At this point they cannot claim good intentions without admitting stupidity.

  44. John Trigge says:

    But our children and our grand-children. Think of the how our suffering now will give them a utopian world with absolutely no worries or cares (or food, or energy, or work).

    Think of the children.

    /sarc

  45. Patrick Plemmons says:

    This guy shouldn’t get any positive feedback, much less kudos, for that message. The only way to stop this nonsense is to confront it and beat it. Halfhearted rationalizing like this won’t cut it.

  46. Latitude says:

    Government keeps wanting more money…..yet doesn’t seem to have any clue where that money comes from

    I say get everyone in Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona to jump up and down at the same time….
    …maybe we can shake it loose and cut our losses

  47. So, he is for it but was for it but is now aginst it so he can be for it later beacuse he wants to be for it but can not be for it until it is safe to be for it.??

  48. Old Nanook says:

    This is just stupid: AB 32 was passed “for all the right reasons”? You have to be kidding me. Mr. Hale isn’t part of the solution, he’s part of the problem. If this is reflective of the depth of thinking of California business, they deserve what they get.

  49. wws says:

    I WANT to see this bill enforced. I WANT to see California’s economy driven into complete ruin.

    Die, Kalifornia, Die!!!

  50. Latitude says:

    wws says:
    March 16, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    I WANT to see this bill enforced. I WANT to see California’s economy driven into complete ruin.
    Die, Kalifornia, Die!!!
    =========================================
    The preceding announcement was brought to you by….

    The Greater Texas Chamber of Commerce

    …see Texas now

  51. George says:

    no growth in water supply for decades.

    the ironic thing is they keep asking us to vote on bond issues for water projects and the money just gets dumped into the general fund and eaten up by 50yo retirees.

  52. Sarge says:

    “The bill was passed for all the right reasons but the reality is, right now we are in a down economy, and AB 32 is a business killer. It effectively will be looked at as a back door tax that will push even more California businesses to move out of state.”

    If it’s a bad deal when you have $100 in your pocket, it’s still a bad deal when you have $1,000,000 in your pocket.

  53. RockyRoad says:

    He’s just trying to have a television audience to preach the weather to. Is that a questionable self-serving vested interest? (He may never get the hang of Texas’ weather.)

  54. sherlock says:

    “When AB 32 was sold to voters, the promise was that other states would follow our lead. So far, none have.”

    California may not lead the nation in job creation, but it looks like they have a lock on leadership in gullibility.

  55. RockyRoad says:

    The hidden message (and not so “hidden”, either), is that NO economy can afford AB32. California can’t; the US can’t; and neither can any country in the world. AB32 is just the manifestation of a much deeper economic problem.

    And this subliminal cost/benefit analysis is something thinking people will finally use to kill all this idiocy in the name of “save the planet”, or “save the whales”… or whatever they’re busy saving. The bottom line is they’ve got to save the economy unless they want to be campin’ out 365 days per year, year after year.

  56. Fred Allen says:

    Seems to be a race between Australia and California to see which region can reach the highest debt/population ratio in the shortest time by continuing to implement “green” policy after “green” policy. Neither Australia nor California can be green enough. The “greenest” is the competition winner. Who cares about the debt when politicians are intent on saving the world? Australia was debt free 4 years ago. Currently has a debt of ~AU$200B and racking upwards fast.

  57. Bill Parsons says:

    Rod Blagojevitch is leering out of the front pages of the Wall Street Journal this morning. The caption reads, “A Final Taste of Freedom”, over a picture of him palling around with some high school students on a brief stop at a burger joint before he headed into a federal prison for his 14-year prison sentence. I suppose it’s sad. Illinois has the second-highest deficit (15 billion) after California’s projected 28 B for this year.

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/02/politics/table.state.budgets/

    @ $182 billion (losses) over 8 yrs, the addition to their deficit is about 22 billion / yr., or a nearly-80% increase annually, over the existing deficit. Could that be right?

  58. George says:

    I read in the news yesterday, or perhaps the day before that Brown was toying around with the idea of raising taxes on the wealthy yet again.

    Yes. This is particularly dangerous. It is an emotional play in order to appease the far left in California but it will be a disaster. The main reason is because over 50% of the population of California pays little to now income tax. In fact, nationally, the bottom 75% of wage earners pay only 12% of the tax. So they tout job gains but they are very low end jobs. McDonalds. The sort of jobs that pay no or very little in income taxes. Now they want to raise taxes on people making a lot of money. Well, all it takes is for ONE of those wealthy people to move up to South Lake Tahoe, Nevada and it is equal to losing hundreds of lesser paying jobs. In the meantime, two retired cops who went out on disability retirement have just opened up a restaurant near me. Those guys are pulling in over $100,000 a year in retirement pay. Because it is *disability* retirement, a huge portion of that is tax free. But they aren’t so disabled that they can’t start a second career running a restaurant. In fact, nearly *all* of California’s fire and police go out on disability and most start a second career.

    But the key point is that if only a dozen or two of these rich leave the state, it has a real measurable impact on revenue. If another dozen or two decide not to migrate to the state, that hurts even more. These are the people who actually pay the income tax revenue that the state collects and the state is doing their utmost to chase them out! Again, the state should be doing exactly the opposite. They should slash taxes for the rich in half and they would see a migration in from other states and their tax revenue would go up. But that is counter to the emotional, bone-headed thinking of the political left. California is going to raise the tax, the people are going to move away and the state will find itself collecting 100% of nothing.

    Carson City is looking better with every passing month. No state income tax and I could probably keep my current job.

  59. Hot under the collar says:

    Well if Hurcules can’t hold back CAGW in La La Land they have obviously given up.
    (sorry to anyone who hasn’t seen “Hurcules in New York”)
    …actually sorry for anyone who has seen “Hurcules In New York”

  60. George says:

    What I would like to see is the budget for C.A.R.B. slashed by about 85%.

  61. Windy Wilson says:

    I remember in 1975 reading a Los Angeles Times editorial about their ideas of the cause of the New York City debt crisis. The editorial said that Los Angeles has a sales tax of 5%, while New York has a sales tax of 10%, and that was business-killing which was jobs killing.
    Now of course, Los Angeles and surrounding areas has a tax of 10%.

    “One thing California does is to discriminate against business in a very sneaky way. They create generally hostile business conditions and then they offer certain fair-haired child businesses special major tax breaks. Solyndra, for example, was given huge sales tax breaks. They had to pay no sales tax on the equipment for their facility in Fremont. Twitter gets special payroll tax breaks that other companies don’t get. They were going to leave San Francisco but got special breaks that other businesses don’t get because they were such a high profile example that the politicians were fearful that Twitter’s leaving would cost he supervisors their jobs.”
    I read once that this was the technique in Nazi Germany before WW2 started. Regulate everything and hand out favors based on special pleadings. The trains to Berlin were crammed with lawyers who went there on behalf of businesses seeking a special tax break.

  62. Chuck says:

    I can’t send an e-mail of support to the GM of KTTV on this. Obviously he thinks that AB32 is a good idea but just not now while the economy is bad. I’ll save my words of support for someone who has the guts to get on the air and say AB32 is a scam and needs to be scrapped entirely.

  63. DavidG says:

    I’ll lend my support to this guy when he gets off the carbon and greenhouse gas band wagon all together. Postponing the bill till later is not a brave move,Anthony, he doesn’t deserve a bouquet. It’s perhaps notable as you have done, but that’s it.

  64. Jack says:

    More Soylent Green,
    Re-running models does not work.
    The Australian Treasury ran models and refused to release their data. The bits that the Government did release say the same thing as California. We will be Glorious Leaders in the New Green World and other Nations Will Flock To Our Cause and so all our failed models will come true.
    Yes, all the Flocking has been the other way. The models failed, GIGO, but the businesses suffer anyway.
    Just this week, the Manufacturing Industry, mainly food products in Australia, completed an analysis of business under the carbon tax. Their modelling showed the carbon tax will virtually shut down their businesses as power becomes too expensive.
    Economically speaking, the world cannot afford Australia to drop out of food production. So their answer is to sell everything to China while we twiddle our thumbs and contemplate Gaia.

  65. Bob Diaz says:

    The fact is that every week an average of 5.4 companies stop doing business here every week, 974,400 jobs were lost between January 2008 and November 2011, Companies are moving out of state, eBay shipped 1,000 jobs out of California, Intel shipped 8,000 jobs out of California.

    State spending has gone insane 2000 it was $84.9 billion, 2009 $122.4 billion, 2011 was $136.9 billion.

    California is the 50th worst sales tax percentage, 50th worst utility tax, 50th worst in new business start-ups, and 50th worst in growth in manufacturing. In the last 4 years, 870,550 of the middle class left California and the Wealthy are leaving too.

    So, here’s a “great idea”, let’s make sure AB-32 becomes law and shuts down the entire state!!!

    The degree of stupidity found in Sacramento is unbelievable. :-(

    Idaho is looking better and better every year.

  66. George says:

    California is the 50th worst sales tax percentage, 50th worst utility tax, 50th worst in new business start-ups, and 50th worst in growth in manufacturing.

    They also spend the most per student of any state on education and last I looked ranked 48th in the nation in school scores. In other words, spending per student seems to be inversely proportional to student achievement.

  67. Chuck Nolan says:

    It seems to me if I believed in cagw I would cheer ab32 and consider the loss of industry not as a side effect but rather hitting the objective. If I truly believed I would demand ab32 be implemented.
    Seems to me this guy’s a weasel but, I accept his explanation and I am happy for small gains.
    Maybe he doesn’t believe and sees this as a way forward.

  68. old construction worker says:

    This is just a rumor but the grapevine has Apple moving out of CA.

  69. Ann In L.A. says:

    A little late!!!

    Where was this commentary when there was a recent referendum to kill the ARB, a referendum that failed miserably? Why wait until the thing is about to go into its full effect, instead of coming out loud and strong BEFORE the referendum went down in flames.

  70. View from the Solent says:

    pk says:
    March 16, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    It’s bad out here in California. How bad?
    ita so bad that the politicians charge sales taxes on the gas taxes paid at the pump. yeah thats a TAX on the TAXES paid for road maintainence and construction that somehow finds its way into other things.
    =========================================================
    You’re way behind. Here in the UK administrative region of the EUSSR, we’ve had that for decades. A petrol (gas)/diesel tax is applied. Then VAT (Value Added Tax (sic) ) at 17% is applied to the total. Currently ~160% is added to the price which the retailer would otherwise charge.

  71. E.M.Smith says:

    Perhaps folks have started to notice that businesses have fled the state and tax revenues are down, very hard, across the board?

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/03/california-tax-revenues-plunge.html

    “That is a 22.55% plunge in spite of the fact that this February was a leap year adding a day to the calendar.”

    Our Governor Moonbeam’s answer? MORE TAXES!!!!

    Someone needs to explain to them the Laffer Curve… Raise rates, get LESS revenue.

    Maybe they’ll figure it out before we reach absolute zero… or not…

  72. E.M.Smith says:

    Bill Parsons says:
    March 16, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    [...]

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/02/politics/table.state.budgets/

    @ $182 billion (losses) over 8 yrs, the addition to their deficit is about 22 billion / yr., or a nearly-80% increase annually, over the existing deficit. Could that be right?

    Yes, it is. Though some estimates put the yearly deficit at 40ish $Billion (there are a variety of “magic methods” in the budget… like not counting things you must spend but have not exactly spent yet. A few times employees of the State have been given “Warrants” for money ‘someday’. Most of the time, banks have cashed these like a paycheck, then held them until the State could cough up some real cash; but there is no requirement to do so. In theory it’s not really appropriate to do that as they are just an IOU, not a check.)

    With present tax revenues down another 1/5 beyond the numbers in what you quote, the “issue” is accelerating too. I’m out of work and not bothering to look in California. My last ‘gig’ was in Florida, and I’m still working the Florida market (but Texas is on my ‘desirable’ list too). Why? Because IFF I did take a job in California, I’m up for about 35% Fed Tax, 11% State Income Tax, and another 10% State Sales Tax on anything I buy (other than gasoline where it was pointed out that the tax is applied to the gas tax too… I’d not be surprised if they put a payment tax on income taxes…) Add that up, it’s about 56% “job to payment”. NOW add the roughly 6% SSI tax, it’s up to 64%. (or maybe more, I’ve not kept up with some of the rises…). Now, out of that 36% (or maybe less) that is “left”, you get to pay your property taxes and your excise taxes and your telecommunications taxes and your utility taxes and ….

    Essentially, it doesn’t pay to get a job in California. If you are a multimillionaire movie star or executive, you can hire enough tax lawyers to hide money from The Grab. If you are poor, you can get a partial pass. Really poor? Subsidy. Middle class? Sorry, no room at the inn…

  73. Bruce Cobb says:

    He seems to be forgetting about the other Cap n’ Trade scheme in the Northeast, RGGI. While not nearly as onerous (yet) as AB 32, it is a noose around the neck of the region’s economy just waiting to be tightened. So far, out of the ten states that joined, NJ is the only one that has managed to bail, though NH has come close.

  74. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:

    Look, we all agree that saving the environment is of the utmost importance…

    While wandering around the global village, you come across someone lying in the gutter, thirsty, starving, in need of urgent medical attention. Do you:

    A. Get them help, even if it will inconvenience you somewhat to do so,

    B. Contemplate which has the greater environmental impact, saving them or letting them die.

    Wait a moment, someone from the California Street neighborhood eco-watch is demanding a third option:

    C. Check their pockets first then force passerby to cough up any more money needed for the planting of trees to offset their environmental impact, which must be done by the California Street Environmental Impact Abatement Corp, Tree Planting Division.

    (You’re sure that’s a good idea? Oh, it’s your unbiased independent belief that it is, you being a TP employee doesn’t influence that at all? Interesting…)

  75. old44 says:

    Substitute the Australian Green/Labor governments position “When Australia has a $23/tonne tax on CO2 the rest of the world will follow our lead. So far, none have.” for ” .When AB 32 was sold to voters, the promise was that other states would follow our lead. So far, none have.” and you have . the loony left at work with your future.

  76. GeoLurking says:

    “When AB 32 was sold to voters, the promise was that other states would follow our lead. So far, none have.”

    Don’t hold yer breath. Most of us out here in reality curse the B/S government crap from the west coast that affects a lot of the products that are available elsewhere.

    Go ahead, keep your AB32 tax scam. The rest of readily welcome your displaced businesses.

  77. hillbilly33 says:

    Perhaps a little O/T but still relevant to the plight of Californians under AB32, in a thought provoking post backed by facts TonyfromOz asks some very pointed questions about the alleged danger of CO2 emissions and the seriousness or otherwise, of efforts to stop them.

    “Climate Change – The Canary In The Coal Mine”

    “Over the last number of years, we are told about the emissions of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) and how this gas has been labelled as the worst one of those Greenhouse gases that are causing major warming of the Climate.

    CO2 emissions come from a variety of sources, Industry, transport, farming, and also from natural causes, but by far the largest emitter of that CO2 is from the large scale generation of electrical power. This source is the largest of all emitters and in fact makes up between 35 and 40% of all (man made) emissions.

    Those emissions come from all generating entities that burn fossil fuels in huge furnaces to boil water to huge amounts of steam to drive the turbine that drives the generator that produces that power. While Natural Gas and oil are used, they emit less CO2 than the largest source of all sources of CO2 emissions, large scale Coal Fired Power Generation.

    Having been told for so many years now that this source of emissions is in fact so deadly dangerous, then you could imagine that something is being done about it.

    So, is there an indicator as to what is being done to in fact reduce what we are told is the imminent danger that these emissions are causing?

    Is there, figuratively speaking, a ‘canary in the coal mine’ indicator as to what is being done by those in positions of power to reduce, or even stop those emissions, if they are in fact so deadly dangerous?”

    For full article:

    http://papundits.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/climate-change-the-canary-in-the-coal-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-17109

  78. u.k.(us) says:

    If I may be so bold in saying so, skeptics have won.
    Now, we must leave an exit for those taken in by …………external forces.

  79. George says:

    I love the Western US. I used to like California. No longer. If I had my choice, I would probably move to someplace like St. George, Utah. Problem is there isn’t any work there in my field.

  80. 1IDVET says:

    Reblogged this on Truth, Lies and In Between and commented:
    Saw this one. Well done.

  81. Jimbo says:

    JohnWho says:
    March 16, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    …………………….
    And, look, many of us agree that curtailing CO2 emissions won’t do a thing toward “saving” the environment and we also accept that increased CO2 in the atmosphere has many beneficial aspects.

    JohnWho, the Greens’ secret agenda is not about C02 per se. Co2 is simply the all encompassing weapon to reduce consumption, reduce standards of living, encourage famine and resultant deaths and hopefully return us to a 19th century lifestyle. They however will be cushioned from much of the pain via funding, handouts, indulgent carbon offsets etc. Don’t believe me? See Al Gore, George (self confessed hypocrite) Monbiot et al.

  82. Jimbo says:

    pk says:
    March 16, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    It’s bad out here in California. How bad?
    its so bad the illegals are going back to mexico to get a job.
    badabing, bada booom bada bing.
    C

    Was that meant to be a joke?

    CNN – August 3rd, 2011
    Illegal aliens leaving U.S., returning to Mexico for better life?
    Illegal aliens are leaving the United States and returning to Mexico in search of a better life.

    You heard that right. One Mexican official tells the Sacramento Bee that Mexico has “become a middle class country” where it’s now easier to buy homes on credit, get higher education and find a job.”

    http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/03/illegal-aliens-leaving-u-s-returning-to-mexico-for-better-life/

    Better Lives for Mexicans Cut Allure of Going North
    The extraordinary Mexican migration that delivered millions of illegal immigrants to the United States over the past 30 years has sputtered to a trickle, and research points to a surprising cause: unheralded changes in Mexico that have made staying home more attractive.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigration.html

    pk, in 20 or 30 years time American citizens might become the new illegal immigrants into Mexico. badabing, bada booom bada bing.;-)

  83. Rod E. says:

    There is a bright spot in all this. As California’s population shrinks, more and more “earners” end up in adjoining states, leaving the “takers” behind in California. This outmigration will cut the electoral votes allocated to CA each Presidential election, while bolstering the Conservative share of the population in adjoining states, thereby making those states harder for the liberals to win.

    Of course, a California “conservative” might look pretty liberal to a Texan, but at least they’re teachable, and can learn from experience. Liberals aren’t, and don’t. Hence, California.

  84. Jimbo says:

    Let’s think about it for a moment. Is it worth sinking California by the enforcement of this bill? Maybe for the sake of all the other states as well as the rest of the world. It will represent a model for all the world not to follow. It will become clear that enforcement leads to poverty and a loss of business. Just take a look at the businesses headed off to China. The West has lost its collective heads. The vicious fight against this wonderful trace gas just might trigger the genteel (or rapid) decline of Western Civilization. ;-(

  85. pk says:

    talking about a “canary in the coal mine” by way of california. we had one, it was that blackened lump of feathers and @#$% that went out the chute when the california supreme court ruled that a person who had immigrated to california could begin drawing welfare and other benefits the day he she or it stepped across the state line.
    ~1968.
    C

  86. John Kettlewell says:

    I think you misunderstand the TV dude. He only wants to put it off for near-term economic reasons. Maybe that’s your point it terms of a realization, such as Monckton has spoken of? Otherwise California is all kinds of bad in all kinds of ways. If they didn’t have such a large coast and all those ports, they would’ve collapsed some time ago. Would be interesting how they play the CO2 brigade with those massive ships ‘polluting’…or even what’s allowed thru State restrictions in the US Constitution.

  87. More Soylent Green! says:

    Jack says:
    March 16, 2012 at 4:00 pm
    More Soylent Green,
    Re-running models does not work.
    The Australian Treasury ran models and refused to release their data. The bits that the Government did release say the same thing as California. We will be Glorious Leaders in the New Green World and other Nations Will Flock To Our Cause and so all our failed models will come true.
    Yes, all the Flocking has been the other way. The models failed, GIGO, but the businesses suffer anyway.
    Just this week, the Manufacturing Industry, mainly food products in Australia, completed an analysis of business under the carbon tax. Their modelling showed the carbon tax will virtually shut down their businesses as power becomes too expensive.
    Economically speaking, the world cannot afford Australia to drop out of food production. So their answer is to sell everything to China while we twiddle our thumbs and contemplate Gaia.

    The models don’t work. PERIOD. However, since so many alarmists use the models to justify things such as AB32, those very same models can be used to show the futility of AB32 and Kyoto, and whatever comes next.

    I must agree with you, however, that the modelers won’t release model results (which are not data, btw) if it doesn’t support their cause. This is just one more reason to not trust “science” that’s performed in secret. When the modelers start releasing their input data, algorithms, computer code and output, we’ll know they aren’t trying to hide something.

  88. Doug Proctor says:

    Raising the cost of living by $3900/yr: this is a false estimate of its impact. That $3900 is out of what is already a small proportion of your income, your discretionary funds. It will be equal to 50% of many retirement savings.

    There is only so much income to pay for life’s necessities, both present and future. The income necessary to replace $3900 is always a multiple of such a number. In theory, you earn about $5400 more to take home $3900, but ask anyone who has received a raise to say if that is how it works out.

    To get an additional $3900/year require a much bigger income increase. If the additional costs went towards some future benefit, then we would be okay – say you got $5000 more each year in social security because the money spent today reduced costs years from now. But that isn’t the case. The money disappears. There is no payback.

    The Greens pay for their future with the money of others. If we could get the majority voting to understand that, the Green scam would be over.

  89. The John and Ken Show on radio station KFI in Los Angeles has been fighting what they call the “Global Warming Final Solution Act” for years. Since Schwarzenegger IIRC.

  90. aeroguy48 says:

    The amazing thing is Swartize, will never be taken to task for destroying Kalinornia, he already got his money and pension, like 99% of the liberals

  91. Brian H says:

    TomB says:
    March 16, 2012 at 11:47 am

    It took great courage to put forward even this limp-wristed opposition.

    It may also be a selfish attempt to reverse declining viewership by occasionally throwing up some sanity-bait to trick disgusted ex-watchers to come back in the vain hope of getting media support for opposing the Liberal-Statist Stupidity Conspiracy. A ratings ploy.
    >:)

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