Sometimes you just have to laugh. This is one of those times. I’ve been put in my place by an “urban coyote poet” for daring to publish on this blog.
Elmer (of M4GW, not M4CC), Chris Monckton, and I , apparently are threats to democracy, and mentally imbalanced too, because apparently a radio station personality, Sue Jeffers, is using WUWT as references on air in Minneapolis. Observe:
She browbeat him with a torrent of misinformation: There is no global warming; polar bears are not in trouble; consult the work of “Lord” Monckton; on and on.
I wondered where she got this nonsense, so I checked her website. There she promotes links to the Republican Party, the Tea Party, and a site called “Minnesotans for Climate Change,” which is linked regularly to Wattsupwiththat.com. Mystery solved — mad Anthony Watts is a major source for the misinformation she dumps on her listeners.
Oh, the humanity! I’m apparently mad as a hatter. I’ll give the advice I give radio listeners that sometimes write in to my own radio station to demand that some program be taken off or censored: you have control of your own radio receiver, if the program doesn’t suit you, change the station. You are not being forced to listen.
The rant continues:
Then there is “Lord” Christopher Monckton, neither a lord nor a scientist, whose job in England appears to be deputy head of a right-wing nationalist party. In the United States, he serves as “policy advisor” to an infamous climate-denial website, apparently qualified for the position by his degrees in classics and journalism.
It is notable when poets consider themselves qualified to pronounce “climate truth”, and to pronounce others as being “mad” for having a differing opinion but people with backgrounds in mathematics (Monckton) and meteorology (myself) are not. Oh, the ironing.
You can read the entire Lenfestey opinion piece at the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:
The state of fear at the new year
I thank Mr. Lenfestey for bringing hundreds of new visitors to WUWT, perhaps they’ll take time to read and consider rather than simply taking an emotional stance as Mr. Lenfestey has done.
Readers may want to get background on Mr. Lenfestey at his website – I particularly liked this photo in relation to his book of poetry anthology LOW DOWN AND COMING ON; A FEAST OF DELICIOUS AND DANGEROUS POEMS ABOUT PIGS (Red Dragonfly Press, 2010)
UPDATE: Chris Monckton sends this letter:
To The Editor, Star Tribune.
2 January 2012
Sir,
Climate: get the facts right
Mr. Lenfestey (January 1), in an article about the climate that remarkably presented not a single fact about the climate, says I gave a “misleading” presentation at Bethel University in 2009. That presentation was truthful, while the driveling attempted rebuttal of it by a non-climatologist at a local bible college, gleefully referenced by Mr. Lenfesty, was full of elementary errors of science, of fact, and even of arithmetic. Would it not have been fairer also to give the URL of my detailed and, indeed, devastating reply to this mendacious nitwit? See scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprint/response_to_john_abraham.html?Itemid=0.
Here are a few facts about the climate. This millennium there has been no statistically-significant global warming (UAH and RSS satellite data, 2001-2011). Sea level has been rising for the past eight years at a rate equivalent to 2 inches per century (Envisat, 2004-2011). Pacific atolls are gaining land mass, as is Bangladesh, where sea level has been falling (Mörner, 2011). Global sea-ice extent has hardly changed in 30 years (University of Illinois cryosphere data, 1980-2011). Hurricanes, typhoons and tropical cyclones are at near-record lows of activity (Accumulated Cyclone-Energy Index, 2011).
It is at least ten times cheaper simply to adapt to any warming that may occur than to tax, trade, regulate, reduce or replace CO2 (President Vaclav Klaus, lecture at Cambridge University, May 2011). Besides, China, which already emits more CO2 than the entire West, will continue to build one or two large coal-fired power stations a week (annual official PRC statistical communiques, 2008-2010).
Authorities are investigating the tiny, malevolent clique of politically-motivated scientists behind the now-collapsing climate scare for downright scientific fraud against taxpayers: ag.virginia.gov/Media%20and%20News%20Releases/News_Releases/Cuccinelli/100410_UVA_Mann_Docs.html).
A growing body of learned papers concludes that the warming we cause will be about one-third of what the IPCC predicts, so it will be harmless and even beneficial (Lindzen & Choi, 2009, 2011; Spencer & Braswell, 2010, 2011; Douglass et al., 2008; Shaviv, 2008, 2011; etc., etc.).
Finally, Mr. Lenfestey puzzlingly says I am not a Lord. But I am (Who’s Who, 2007-2011).
Yours faithfully,
MONCKTON OF BRENCHLEY (by Letters Patent granted to my late grandfather in 1957).
I notice that pig in the photo only has three legs.
I guess when one has a pig that appreciates poetry and has a keen interest in mother Gaia, one wouldn’t want to eat it all at once
Rarely have I seen the term ‘poet’ used so whimsically. We really should require a license for anyone practicing poetry nowadays. As for mad hatters, they’re far better than mad natters which is all that comes out of the church of AGW cleric Gore and crew. best, KBD (BTW, I quote you frequently and appreciate your writing material in a manner that poets can understand).
These people are simply amazing, aren’t they. They can’t hear themselves talking. So incredibly arrogant and mal informed.
OMG! Someone glued his head to a tree and he’s feeding beer to his pig. I’ll alert PETA
“…you have control of your own radio receiver, if the program doesn’t suit you, change the station. You are not being forced to listen.”
And, unlike for Public Radio, you are not even being forced to pay it for either!
Hilarious, what an idiot. As for this chap calling someon else mad, well, Pot Kettle and Black spring to mind
HMMMM. The TREE Whisperer. Anyone know what they whisper to him,or is the whispering only one way? I am going to have to get out my old Tape with Clint Eastwood singing:I talk to the Trees,and they whisper to me,or something like tha,t from Paint Your Wagon. Maybe Clint knew something we don’t?
If they take the trouble to read they’ll very likely keep coming. Strange how it is undemocratic to ask for a debate or have differing views – shades of totalitarianism.
This kind of stuff couldn’t be made up. Life truly is unexpectedly creative. Congratulations, Anthony, for soaring to such heights as a target of a poet’s criticism.
Been there: read his article. My advice? Don’t waste your time. He’s a cherry-picking numpty!
infowars.com 🙂
Photo 2…..
Porciphile alert?
Very creepy looking.
“Then there is “Lord” Christopher Monckton, neither a lord nor a scientist, whose job in England appears to be deputy head of a right-wing nationalist party.”
What is to be done about all of these wild and crazy flat tax supporters?
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/2560-ukip-tax-policy
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/24/perry-to-pitch-scrapping-tax-code-offering-optional-20-percent-flat-tax/
Looks like a 60’s hippy to me!
Yep !!!!
Thanks for any new traffic to your site !!!!!
Looks like Lenfestey gets a pretty good kicking in the comments below the article…
“LOW DOWN AND COMING ON; A FEAST OF DELICIOUS AND DANGEROUS POEMS ABOUT PIGS ”
Just because it bears repeating.
Maybe he can whisper to Briffa’s trees and get them to behave!
Isn’t it amazing how the skeptics are always labeled as anti-science by people who never use a scientific argument to back their beliefs? All they do is appeal to authority and make personal attacks.
The sad part is, many of them don’t even know what the debate is about. Its not about whether or not the earth has warmed since the Little Ice Age (it has) or whether or not CO2 is a greenhouse gas (it is). Its about two key questions (at least to me). How much has the earth warmed? And how much of that is due to CO2 (it may be negligible, it may be significant)? Those questions haven’t been satisfactorily answered, and until they are, there’s no way to know what, if anything, can or should be done.
Might want to go look at “Mount Stupid” on SMBC 2011-12-28 as used in the Forbes article:
Want To Make Good Decisions? Avoid Mount Stupid.
I think it about sums up this guy.
LOL in Oregon
I’m with everyone who thinks this guy is a total fruitcake BUT do not gloat. The majority of the public has been brainwashed and now holds similar views, believes totally in CAGW and thinks sceptics are demons.
Regrettable but true.
There is much, much, more work to be done and the Canadians are showing us the way.
Jack Koenig says:
January 3, 2012 at 10:27 am
nope he is not quite sane enough for a sixties hippy. He is however a complete and total definition of the “useful idiot” if he ever met a true scientist he wouldn’t recognize him because true scientists don’t exist in his weird paisley colored sky world.
@EternalOptimist says: January 3, 2012 at 10:11 am
Damn! Beat me to it! An old joke, but still good – and in this case, ironic.
I wonder if the IPCC has asked him to ‘peer review’ anything yet?
Only a matter of time until Occupy Chico finds out about this and camps out in your driveway.
The Smothers Brothers did a skit about that song. To quote Tommy Smothers, “Sounds like some kind of nut!”
Comedy gold!
I’m apparently mad as a hatter.
Well apparently there are a few of us are…. I had a baker tell me that I was “anti-science” when I told him that CO2 was less than 0.04% of the atmosphere…. I asked him how many millions of $$ he had pulled down in NRC grants for science research so we could compare records — unfortunately he declined to be forthcoming. I even offered to give him all my records and tell him who he could contact to expose me!
Of course I was going to write him up in a report exposing him as the major source of CO2 in Minden… All that yeast you see… I was gonna picket his bakery too!
However the raisin buns were great! So, it was not a lost day by any means…
On another note — Happy New year — and I can give you a good reference for a shrink — it worked for me. I now believe in CO2 🙂
Well, they make sure not to let you leave any comments there, hah!
So, let’s imagine the watermelons get their way and everyone is reduced to grubbing around in their own hand-2-mouth existence; emitting no more evil CO2 with their own personal pig for company. Hurrah for Gaia, The World is saved!
What do we think the demand for Poets would be in such a world… and I don’t imagine that pig of his would last long neither.
His bio says he has four children. Doesn’t Leftinsky know that humans destroy the Earth and that more children mean more destruction? What an evil man he is. 🙂
His vitae says that he spent a career in academia. In the arts, i’m sure, and not the sciences.
Quite an emotional little pig lover he is.
This is the first letter to the editor I have ever sent. “Mad” Anthony Watts indeed ! A draft version was also placed in the comments. The odds of this being published are thin as Lenfestey was a former editorial writer for the Strib and it is not about sports.
While it is clear that Sue Jeffers has a limited and biased understanding of climate science it is also clear that James Lenfestey also has a limited and biased understanding of climate science. Anthony Watts climate science website WUWT (Watts Up With That) has had nearly 100 million views, more than the next three climate websites combined. Nearly every new climate science paper is announced and linked at this site to be analyzed and critiqued by the many contributors. In addition all the climate science websites are linked there from both sides of the argument.
Many readers may agree with Fourier’s understanding of the atmospheric effect from water vapor and CO2 but there is still much research needed on forcing and feedback in our large complicated solar, atmospheric, and ocean coupled energy balance. Many of the earlier dire climate catastrophes predicted are not being proven from observation. This is the portion of the science that clearly is not “settled”. The tools to make the correct determination are too new or not deployed yet. One clear “fact” is, if the data does not match the model attack the data or the messenger of that data as evidenced by the exchange at Bethel University in 2009. Until some new found or otherwise presently not well accepted form of base load generation for electricity is adopted, fossil fuel will be used for the worlds growing energy needs. In the meantime careful study of all the data in a clear headed non alarmist fashion is the prudent path to follow.
A funny man, to refer to the George W. Bush administration as a “scientific body.”
However, I think oyu may be too hard on him, Anthony. He didn’t threaten your life or health, or (insofar as you have mentioned) vandalise your home, car or place of business. As greens go, he counts as a nice guy.
“You can read the entire Lenfestey opinion piece at the Minneapolis Star-Tribune:”
I choose NO thanks!
This little rant by Lenfestey is just the Faculty Lounge come to the op-ed. Notice that Lenfestey’s ego is impervious to all feedback from the world; otherwise, he would remove all the contents of his website.
You can whisper to all of the trees some of the time. You can whisper to some of the trees all of the time. But you can’t whisper to all of the trees all of the time.
==========
There once was a poet named Jim
Whose knowledge on climate was thin
He tried to take shots
At our Anthony Watts
But we ended up just laughing at him!
Poetry sarc/off
Eternal optimist says:
EternalOptimist says:
January 3, 2012 at 10:11 am
I notice that pig in the photo only has three legs.
I guess when one has a pig that appreciates poetry and has a keen interest in mother Gaia, one wouldn’t want to eat it all at once
I generally agree, although I don’t like either pork or poetry, and especially what is depicted in the photo. However, as if to match the three legs showing, there are also three teats. Doesn’t this make it a sow instead of just a pig?
I hope you realise that by providing a link to Lenfestey’s site, you’ve probably quadrupled his “visits” tally.
Only a few mill. more and he could be challenging you for the Weblog award!
Huh. I was under the impression that livestock, pigs especially, produce a huge amount of methane which is a greenhouse…. You know what? Never mind. If the insane level of Al Gore’s hypocrisy on the carbon footprint front isn’t enough to wake people up, this guy’s pig isn’t going to register.
@rwct: The TREE Whisperer. Anyone know what they whisper to him,
Yes: You’ve been a knotty boy
Kay B. Day says:
January 3, 2012 at 10:12 am
We really should require a license for anyone practicing poetry nowadays.
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Agreed.
The most terrifying words in the English language?
“A viewer/listener has sent in this poem…”
Dive for the mute button as if your life depended upon it.
An old 60’s hippy allright. He must still be eating peyote and smoking cannabis!
Why does he have his ear to the tree’s “ear” He’s kind of confused, methinks.
Charles Gerard Nelson says:
January 3, 2012 at 10:55 am
I wonder if the IPCC has asked him to ‘peer review’ anything yet?
Looking at the picture I would certainly see him qualify for beer review
Not at all strange when one defines democracy the same as they do in the Democratic People’s Republic of (AKA North) Korea.
Was just in Minneapolis a few days ago between Christmas and New Years, you can always find a goodly amount of liberal talk radio there but this time it seemed to be particularly aggressive (ran across Stephanie Miller on AM 760 I think) and they are in full attack mode on the conservatives. Listened three days while walking the dog and the general story line, not suprisingly, was “conservatives lie about everything”. 1130 AM is the big conservative radio station in Minneapolis so it makes sense that they attack that one. And I just noticed we have liberal talk radio here in the mornings in Milwaukee too.
I’d chalk this up to election year politics. They are really trying to nullify the advantage conservatives have on the radio imo.
Mardler says:
January 3, 2012 at 10:46 am
There is much, much, more work to be done and the Canadians are showing us the way.
Yes there is quite a bit of work to be done:
http://environment.yale.edu/climate/publications/ClimateBeliefsNovember2011
The most disturbing aspect of this particular survey is that:
Only 14 percent of Americans have ever heard of “the United Nations’ panel of climate experts, the “Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).”
Don’t forget however that our greatest ally is Nature herself. But it may take 10 or more years to prove that CO2 is not a driver.
I’ve heard of horse whisperers. They calm the skittish critters after, eg., a sea voyage. I wonder if this fellow calms skittish trees? Perhaps we could ask our own dear(sic) heir to the throne of UK.
GP Hanner says:
January 3, 2012 at 11:05 am
His vitae says that he spent a career in academia.
Sweeping it!
“Oh the ironing”.
That’s punny.
Ode to a tree whisperer…
There once was a man named Lenfestey
Who wrote quite a lot with his pensey.
He pretended a lot
to know much more than not.
In the end he’s no more
than just peskey.
(me thinks he’s spent too much time talking to nut trees)
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz has nothing on Cowboy Poet Lenfestey. Lenfestey’s torturous written word and tortured logic should be outlawed by the Geneva Convention.
“Looks like Lenfestey gets a pretty good kicking in the comments below the article…”
Really?? From the ones I previewed (admittedly I didn’t read all of them as my stomach began to get queasy), it looks as if the commenters and the column author are in agreement that CAGW is real and it’s all conservatives’/Republicans’ faults.
“Not the startling webmasters
centering their silent geometries.
Nor the weavers of the dew-dropped
handkerchiefs revealed on the grass at dawn.
Nor the lanky wolves prowling the night kitchen
too fast to be caught, too big to want to catch.
But the short, clownish, jumpy ones,
two of eight shiny black eyes
looking right up at you like Chinese sages,
full of whiskered confidence and wisdom.”
Well his poetry is workmanlike, if a little whimsical.
Not to my taste, rather in the way that science and logic aren’t his….but I guess a poet mixing his metaphors applies the same treatment to all he views, including climate science.
I’d much rather read a poem of his on the subject than his ad homs on the protagonists though.
Also, caption for first picture: “What do this petrified tree and this man’s cranium have in common?”
Caption for second picture: “Mr. Lenfestey does not consider himself a ‘furry’ because pigs are hairless.”
Pigs = methane farts !
Get rid of the pigs Mr Lefty !!!
Sean Peake says: January 3, 2012 at 10:14 am
[OMG! … and he’s feeding beer to his pig.]
It’s man-beer-pig
Typical reaction of a narcissist to criticism. First reaction is to devalue the critic. Rather than argue with any facts, you simply sling insults. Does the piece actually contain any actual criticisms of anything or is it just all name-calling and insult slinging?
I suspect “Lord” Monckton will take exception to the quotes marks and the assertion that he is “neither a lord nor a scientist”.
Verity – he already has, see the update – Anthony
Exposure of Global Warming Deception goes Viral
http://www.examiner.com/seminole-county-environmental-news-in-orlando/exposure-of-global-warming-deception-goes-viral
Just the uncontrolled coal seam fires in China emit as much CO2 as all automobiles and trucks in the US. Simply putting those fires out would result in an atmospheric CO2 reduction equivalent of removing ALL of the traffic in America. Doing the same in India, Indonesia, and the US would result in removing as much CO2 as ALL automotive traffic globally with some left over to balance some of the aircraft emissions. I don’t see any major push by the UN to put out coal seam fires.
Well, I don’t know about y’all, but I was inspired to poetry myself!
Rings, Rings
The trees make rings
If you listen close
They’ll tell you things
They’ll tell you what you need to do
After releasing all that CO2
We must ignore all the facts
And impose a carbon tax
Tax the rich
Give it to the poor
Until there are
No rich no more
I deeply regret that I couldn’t make this stuff up:
LOW DOWN AND COMING ON; A FEAST OF DELICIOUS AND DANGEROUS POEMS ABOUT PIGS.
I would like to suggest to Mr Leftnasty that he spend a couple of hours a day for the next couple of days perusing WUWT. He might learn something.
But I doubt it.
I don’t have poems about pigs, but I do have one about pheasants:
I’m not the pheasant plucker
I’m the pheasant plucker’s son
But I’ll sit here plucking pheasants
Till the pheasant plucker comes
“if the program doesn’t suit you, change the station. You are not being forced to listen.” not possible. For example, I don’t want news, sport, travel or weather… but every station has them. The same old s1ht read out on every station, every hour. No choice. No Escape – apart from turning it off altogether.
When I want news, I get the news. When I want weather, I get the weather. When I want sport, please shoot me because my brain has died.
This joker ain’t no yote, urban or otherwise.
Wow! Found this hoary old chestnut in the comments under the linked article:
“The Caillon research in Science magazine concludes that CO2 amplifies the affect of warming. The time period that was studied showed that warming (at that time caused by change in sun intensity) caused a release of CO2 and methand [sic] into the atmosphere that rapidly increased the warming effect. It actually demonstrates that the fundamental physics of global warming is very sound and follows already proven historical trends.”
Caillon et al (2003) compared two proxy series from ice cores, making a point to add the following caveat for their chosen temperature proxy: “Although we do not yet clearly understand the underlying mechanisms, we argue that the [delta]40Ar record can be taken as a climate proxy, thus providing constraints about the timing of CO2 and climate change during Termination III.”
The phase shift between the two series is presented as evidence of a lag from temperature and change of CO2. That’s all the analysis can do – it is not competent to do any more.
The data and analysis have no capacity to say anything about amplification. The data and analysis have nothing to say about solar intensity. Or methane. The work provided evidence that CO2 follows temperature and may have been contrary to previous expectations. It’s hard to see how the commenter could have been more wrong.
I am convinced that in this area and others, most people simply take what the media tells them at face value and never bother to check the facts. I’ve spoken to many alarmists who have claimed I’m on the oil industry payroll when I state basic facts about climate.
The same thing happens in many other areas. For example in quality (TQM / Six Sigma) I’ve been told that I’m lying when I’ve quoted Bill Smith’s (the “father” of the Six Sigma) paper which makes the ridiculous statement that a way to improve quality is to change the specification … the basis of the multi billion dollar global Six Sigma scam.
Just yesterday I checked Steve Biddulph’s (a leading author on childcare) reference to his statement that under no circumstance should boys be placed in day care before the age of three. Bidduph’s reference, a NICHD study draws no such conclusion.
I feel that in AGW, the majority of true believers and media journos have never done any background whatsoever. Ironically the AGW religion has made carbon as as organic is good. All that is needed is faith, not science.
Verity Jones says:
I suspect “Lord” Monckton will take exception to the quotes marks and the assertion that he is “neither a lord nor a scientist”.
Lenfestey really just shows his ignorance, because technically there is no such “thing” as a lord, any more than there is any such thing as a “Sir.”
The “Lord” bit is the form of address, which attaches to the rank that the peer holds in the same way that “Sir” is the form of address for a Knight, regardless of which order the Knight is a member of.
Not only that, but Lord Moncton’s viscountcy rank sits above that of Baron which is the rank of most life peers (and members of the House of Lords), being just below the rank of Earl.
Its a bit like accusing a Captain of not being an officer because he is not a Lieutenant.
In my family we change
To:
Perfect Anthony, that is the way to deal with these idiots.
Crystal gazing fools .
“…LOW DOWN AND COMING ON; A FEAST OF DELICIOUS AND DANGEROUS POEMS ABOUT PIGS…”
What, no Deliverance jokes?
[snip – funny but over the top – Anthony]
I know, I know, it sounded so good when your Poli Sci professor taught you the phrase in class, but try to answer the following anyway…
How does one deny the climate? Or do you really mean ‘human induced climate change denier’ and are just not bright enough to string together that many words, like most others in your Poli Sci class?
The Tree Whisperer: Don’t Ring us we’ll Ring you……
He suggests one should “check the qualifications of your source”. What, exactly, qualifications does he possess, that allow him to pontificate? Certainly, less impressive than mine (and far less impressive than many other denizens of this site). What qualifies him to judge? The pigs? When do they grow wings?
Anyway argumentum ad verecundiam is sterile – especially if your authorities are Michael Mann, Phil Jones, Kevin Trenberth et al.
Accept the real motive – so cogently stated by Prof Dr Ottmar Edenhofer before Cancun.
I’ll try to be good ~snickerlin~
A tongue twister about pigs comes to mind. Goes something like:
“I’m not the fig plucker, nor the fig plucker’s son,
but I’ll pluck your figs till the fig plucker comes.”
…or something like that.
No, wait a minute that was about figs, my bad.
Is this guy Lenfestey related to that “climoproctologist” who wears the Superman outfit, or to the accordion playing Lawrence Welk wannabe? [No offense intended to any proctologist, Superman or to the memory of Welk]
Anyway, Anthony, accept the extra traffic. Maybe some of the extra visitors will not have totally closed minds.
I love that photo of him ‘whispering’ to what appears to be a big ear on that tree.
Perhaps he is talking to its rings.
Oh, I note, that along with his expertise in Climate Science™, he is also an expert on the English Aristocracy.
Who knows what is true anyway ? I certainly dont check all of the basic facts I read here, or read the papers or try to understand the statistics or the different disciplines.
I dont have the time. I am an expert in my own field, and in my chosen hobby, and thats it. I will never , in a million years understand most of what you fellows are going on about. But I have a set of tools that I can deploy to try to work out in which direction the truth lies, and on which side of the debate I should add my voice.
I look at the type of language being used, is it emotional, persuasive, political or simple sales talk. I look at the mentality of the voices as expressed in words. Does the mentality include deception, sanctimony or dissonance. Is the mentality one of integrity.
Is there intelluctual honesty. Does the person ever admit to any doubt, or to ever being wrong, or to ever follow a false trail. The warmists lose easily on every count.
I may not know the words. But I know the tune
EO
rwct says:
January 3, 2012 at 10:17 am
“HMMMM. The TREE Whisperer. Anyone know what they whisper to him,or is the whispering only one way? I am going to have to get out my old Tape with Clint Eastwood singing:I talk to the Trees,and they whisper to me,or something like tha,t from Paint Your Wagon. Maybe Clint knew something we don’t?”
HA! I loved that flick! Here it is that sappy Eastwood solo, nwct!
Clint Eastwood – I Talk To The Trees
I identify more with Lee Marvin – I Was Born Under A Wanderin’ Star:
“a torrent of misinformation: ….. polar bears are not in trouble”
LOL, even though polar bear numbers are increasing we all know they’re in trouble! Even coke says so. /sarc
This must have been what James Speth (cofounder NRDC, former Dean Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Science, and CEQ under Carter) was hoping to create- poets wresting control of the science:
“The new environmentalism must work with this progressive coalition to build a mighty force in electoral politics……. Our environmental discourse has thus far been dominated by lawyers, scientists, and economists. Now, we need to hear a lot more from the poets, preachers, philosophers, and psychologists.”
Since much of climate science seems to be works of fiction writers- maybe poets will be a nice change of pace
http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=207520 Oct 2008: Environmental Failure:
A Case for a New Green Politics
In the Twin Cities, the StarTribune is known as the Red Star. Now you know why.
He should write a poem about Man and Bear and Pig.
It appears that the Lord Monckton’s rebuke makes an ash of the tree whisperer
“Strange how it is undemocratic to ask for a debate or have differing views – shades of totalitarianism.”
Shades? Naw. They’re wearing the whole Guy Fawkes mask of totalitarianism.
Mr. Lenfestey meet Chris Mooney
“Chris Mooney is a science and political journalist and the author of three books, including the New York Times bestselling The Republican War on Science and…”
Mr. Lenfestey should check the log in is own eye.
If you needed confirmation as to the mental stability of the “scammers” and their ‘rent a red rabble; followers this must be it.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jSSrbGuxzcnD2BZ2DBN8k-xmQO5w?docId=CNG.9df9789394ff7fed0db488d27e023895.191
I kid you not, this is a real attempt at connecting the dots like the Antarctic warming fiasco.
regards and a great 2012.
Isn’t it strange how a lot of nutters actually look like nutters – this guy is certainly not the exception to the rule!
Yeah,
Agree with the comments. Pigs= Methane.
One thing:
Lenfestey’s politics are probably like Animal Farm. Two legs Bad (Human methane/ CO2 emissions) Four Legs Good (Animal emissions). 🙂
“LOW DOWN AND COMING ON: A FEAST OF DELICIOUS AND DANGEROUS POEMS ABOUT PIGS” – Yeah, whatever. I will take e. e. cummings any time.
mr youse needn’t be so spry
concernin questions arty
each has his tastes but as for i
i likes a certain party
gimme the he-man’s solid bliss
for youse ideas i’ll match youse
a pretty girl who naked is
is worth a million statues
[snip]
What a boar!
But this idiot means well, so it is all OK.
In the words of the famous Eccles “I talk to the trees, that’s why they put me away”
Happy New Year Anthony!
Happy New Year Lord Monckton!
Happy New Year contributors and moderators!
Thanks for all the good science!
One thing though, scott. How come the word “liberal” has come to be used to describe totally iliberal or antiliberal attitudes? (see http://www.oarval.org/avalencia/Liberalen.htm)
John T says: January 3, 2012 at 10:42 am
The sad part is, many of them don’t even know what the debate is about. Its not about whether or not the earth has warmed since the Little Ice Age (it has) or whether or not CO2 is a greenhouse gas (it is). Its about two key questions (at least to me). How much has the earth warmed? And how much of that is due to CO2 (it may be negligible, it may be significant)? Those questions haven’t been satisfactorily answered, and until they are, there’s no way to know what, if anything, can or should be done.
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John, I think you’ve stated it rather well. After 30 years of climate measurements, there is still valid argument over whether the globe is warming or not. The amount of warming caused by humans is indistinguishable from random noise. It’s a scientific curiosity, not something to be concerned about.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but is this guy the one on the left, in both photos?
“Dogs Look up to us,cats look down on us,
Pigs treat us as equals. ”
Winston S. Churchill..
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M R P I G S
M R NOT P I G S
O S A R
L I B
M R P I G S
well Lenfestey’s been shouting but it probably achieves little to shout back. I think he looks decent. Don’t forget folk have been indoctrinated and don’t know it. Can we do better?
Lenfestey – ey – ey – ey!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you like to come here and have a debate??????????
Set your terms re courtesy etc. I’m hoping Anthony can invite you to put up your own piece. We know that what’s missing is open debate. But you don’t know that and it doesn’t sound plausible. But say your piece and let us help you as best we can.
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Another solution is inspired by Ross McKitrick’s recent Canada Senate speech. If the Senate takes Ross’ stuff on board, why not get leaflets printed for every home in Canada – just like happened when Steve McIntyre got a hockeystick graph through his letterbox that looked seriously in need of investigating? Bypass MSM.
Many years ago, when sometimes cheques had this bad habit of bouncing, a small working-class day-restaurant had this notice attached on the wall next to the cash till:
WE HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH OUR BANK; THEY DON’T SERVE FOOD AND WE DON’T CASH CHEQUES.
I believe that this a very good advise for many people, such as poets, who should keep on producing beautiful poetry, but leave the science to the scientists. Lenfestey please note.
Hrmmm, a meteorologist is unqualified to opine on climate, but a pig poet is?
Personally, I think anyone who has a book called “LOW DOWN AND COMING ON; A FEAST OF DELICIOUS AND DANGEROUS POEMS ABOUT PIGS” ought to be just a tad reluctant to be tossing around the word “mad”.
Well, I keep trying to make the case for calling the new epoch the anthroporcine.
I guess this must be one of the “cowboy” poets Harry Reid was lamenting would go extinct without government funding.
Lucy is right.
I apologize for my boarishness
Listen to the trees
Just one time to discover
Twigs tell jokes to grass
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Ed Moran. says:
January 3, 2012 at 10:22 am
“Been there: read his article. My advice? Don’t waste your time. He’s a cherry-picking numpty!”
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The horror…
Now I know who this song was about:
One evening in October
When I was about one-third sober
And was taking home a load with manly pride
My poor feet began to stutter
So I lay down in the gutter
And a pig came up and lay down by my side
Then we sang “It’s All Fair Weather”
And “Good Fellows Get Together”
Till a lady passing by was heard to say
She says, “You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses”
And the pig got up and slowly walked away
Lenfestey made the cardinal mistake of linking to the enemy – something that, for instance, the BBC or the German media avoid like the plague.
We should thank him for giving his readers the opportunity of looking around here.
Tthe Whisperer states “Instead of discussing how world carbon emissions are rapidly destabilizing the atmosphere and oceans…” No need to read on. Urgent need to wipe up the coughed up hot chocolate off my screen.
When a man who converses with trees and consorts with hogs calls you a nut, no response is really necessary. It’s obvious who holds the higher ground.
We needed some comic relief. Thanks, Mr. Lenfestey. Why don’t you do an article for WUWT and educate us backwards skeptics?
rwct says: “HMMMM. The TREE Whisperer. Anyone know what they whisper to him…?
“Sap!”
Oh, and did you notice the photo on top of the Lenfestey article? It shows an iceberg and this text:
“FILE – In this July 19, 2007 file photo an iceberg is seen off Ammassalik Island in Eastern Greenland. A new assessment of climate change in the Arctic shows the ice in the region is melting faster than previously thought and sharply raises projections of global sea level rise this century.”
Let’s google that; ok, it’s from May 2011:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/984708–arctic-ice-melting-faster-new-climate-report-says
So, it’s not exactly “NEW” as in “NEWSpaper”; and the people at the Star Tribune were too lazy to add this information or even find it out, or maybe they didn’t want to tell because they couldn’t have called it a “NEW assessment”.
Hmm, can we call that lazy, sloppy, deceiving? Yes we can! Now that’s the kind of company Lenfestey works with, much sloppier than even the smallest skeptic blog, now how much credibility does that give him? That’s right – not all that much. Incompetence is no excuse; using google isn’t that hard.
I know, this is all the usual drill in the mainstream media, yet it is sloppiness like that that separates badly made propaganda from trustworthy information.
John T: “Its about two key questions (at least to me). How much has the earth warmed? And how much of that is due to CO2 (it may be negligible, it may be significant)? Those questions haven’t been satisfactorily answered,”
The second question has been answered: zero. Yes 0.00000…
The real question that has never been answered is “How does the cold atmosphere send back radiation to an already warmer surface and, as a result, further warm the surface?”
Neither the IPCC nor anyone else has ever been able to prove that this is a physical possibility, because it isn’t. And now we have Professors Claes Johnson and Nasif Nahle proving that it isn’t, both mathematically and empirically.
Radiation with frequency below the cut off level (determined by Wien’s Displacement Law) is immediately re-emitted (just as if reflected) and does not leave behind any energy to cause warming. Only high energy (high frequency) direct solar radiation is able to knock electrons out of orbit and lead to a conversion of its energy to thermal energy. It cannot be re-emitted because its frequency is above the cut-off for typical surface temperatures, so its energy is conserved in the form of heat. There’s more on this on my site.*
Folks, the paradigm has changed. There is absolutely no warming effect from carbon dioxide. In fact there may be a slight cooling effect as it perhaps blocks some IR from the Sun which might have warmed cold areas on Earth and also as it helps to radiate away thermal energy (“heat”) which oxygen and nitrogen channel through it by diffusion.
Please stop talking about sensitivity being much less and all that. There is no sensitivity. We need zero tolerance of all the garbage relating to back radiation warming the surface.
Above all, we need a united front on this. Someone with influence please tell Monckton.
Anthony, please tell the world!
* http://climate-change-theory.com
Anthony i believe we have found out Micheal Manns nature trick, he got this NUT to whisper to the tree rings to tell him what the temps were for the past 1500 years. But evidently he did not understand them for the last 50 years.
I have said it before and it bears repeating, a Meteorologist is a real climate scientist!!
More captions for pix 1
Dude, shush, I think I hear the ocean,,
Skin tag my ass, now look at my ear
I could make a really neat bong out of this to add to my collection
Maybe if I hide here the woodpeckers will stop landing on my head
I thought only Hobbits talked to trees.
Monckton always makes me smile, he has such a way with words!
rwct said:
January 3, 2012 at 10:17 am
HMMMM. The TREE Whisperer. Anyone know what they whisper to him…
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You’re barking mad! Bough-wow!
Re: the “having a beer with a pig” happy snap, there is a bear just out of frame, yes ?
Tsk, tsk. “I’m apparently mad as a hatter.” You’re forgetting your basic Political Correctness Observance camouflage … “I’m apparently differently sane as a hatter.”, please! 🙂
There once was a pig-loving twerp
Launched broadsides that made him a perp’
But Lenfesty’s skill
Amounted to nil
Jim, eat the pig, shut up and burp.
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I am not so sure that people who are nuts look the part. There are a lot of good looking nutters promoting very bad alarmist chatter. Climate lunacy runs much more than skin deep.
I concur that artists and non-scientists are a legitimate part of scientific discussion, providing perspecetives that are often missed by people with their noses to far into the testubes. Nothing wrong with that. There are lots of moral and social issues in science and technology. But they do not get to operate the labs.
His observations seem consistent with most public opinion.
REPLY: Maybe in your world – Anthony
Reminds me that “mad hatters” were mad because they used mercury to cure pelts for hats–so is that where CFLs will take us all soon (or would have but for the repeal of the bulb ban)?
Dogs look up to us.
Cats look down on us.
Pigs treat us as equals.
Winston Churchill
I find it funny that people continue to assault the Viscount’s title of “Lord”. Either they show complete disdainment for the British system of nobility (not unreasonble if they did; it is their opinion, but it’s hardly consistent), or more commonly, they show complete ignorance of the facts and how little they know of the peerage system.
In the picture above Monckton’s letter I see Mr. Lenfestey, but who’s the guy in the red cap and shirt next to him?
If I let my beard grow, those photos, could easily be mistook, as myself. So no more beard in my future.
Christopher Monckton: Where do you find the time!?!? Omnipresence must be taxing. Best Wishes. GK
sssh friend tree, what say you??
First, please never mention the forbidden words..
Pray, friend tree, what are they?
Jonsered, Stiehl, sometime McCulloch
Ahhh, of course. Is there anything else?
Yes, moron, I eat CO2 so shut up about the Carbon Tax, you want me to starve?
Photos like Lenfestey’s take me back to my childhood. It was a politically incorrect childhood that I am now forbidden and for which I apologize of course. But I will share just a bit of it. When I was six or seven, I saw a man use a 22 rimfire rifle to put one bullet through a hog’s nostril and drop it without so much as a grunt. That kind of homespun prowess is very rare. That image is as fresh as this computer screen.
“I’ve been Lenfesteyed”
Ha ha! The lunatics are loose and they’re writing about how sane people are bringing them down, man, didn’t that nut job Manson have the same views before he crossed the line from being a misanthropic drug induced tree whisperer to a murderer. Keep a close eye on these fools.
If you stop by the Red Star make sure and read weather guy Paul Douglas’ blog – usually at top of main page. Douglas has made millions in the weather business aside from broadcasting – yet is a huge warming cheerleader
[SNIP: Matt, it really is inappropriate. Sorry. -REP]