Kyoto – in the past for Canada

As a some time critic of Canadian Conservative national politics, I can only applaud the courage,and Honesty of Peter Kent,and our government, to withdraw from this Political patchwork of unelected,self serving scientifically uninformed, global party goers. They, looking for further handouts,from ALL of us, to enrich themselves,is nothing short of despicable. The IPCC,and U.N. does,and will continue to mis-allocate resources to the corrupt, from those really in need,our worlds’ Poor.

Yay !!!

YES!
This is what we voted the Conservatives in for.
Not junk science & UN to tax our economies into the red.
(Gather they didn’t believe the memo from last week saying we would be out?)

Whatever Canada’s reasons are for pulling out of Koyoto, it wont make one sod of difference to the world climate irrespective of what “the science” says.

Good for Peter Kent … I’m proud to be Canadian. Now, if we had politicians like him in the province of Ontario, this kind of nonsense wouldn’t happen:
http://windconcernsontario.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/site-will-no-longer-be-updated/

Hurray! Now if only Australia would follow suit.
Never, while this lunatic government remains in power.

Know this is real climate justice.
Go Canada Go

Meanwhile, our government keeps piling it on.

Fan-bloody-tastic.

Kyoto is just a thing of the past. Children just aren’t going to know what Kyoto is. It was a very rare and unexciting event.

God Bless Canada’s Conservative Government! Throw the Koolaid out the window. Nearly fourteen billion Canadian dollars saved from the Climate Pirates! Hurrah!

Stephen Harper said he would do it, clearly and repeatedly for years. Then he got a conservative Majority government from the people of Canada, and the he did what he said he would do. A politician that stuck to his word against all the NGOs, the press and the consensus of the 7 ‘scientists’.
Canada is out of Kyoto.
“Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.”
“Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.”
“Carbon dioxide which is a naturally occurring gas vital to the life cycles of this planet”
“This may be a lot of fun for a few scientific and environmental elites in Ottawa, but ordinary Canadians from coast to coast will not put up with what this will do to their economy and lifestyle”
“We can debate whether or not… CO₂ does or does not contribute to global warming. I think the jury is out.”
“My party’s position on the Kyoto Protocol is clear and has been for a long time. We will oppose ratification of the Kyoto Protocol and its targets. We will work with the provinces and others to discourage the implementation of those targets. And we will rescind the targets when we have the opportunity to do so”
“As economic policy, the Kyoto Accord is a disaster. As environmental policy it is a fraud”
Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada.
(The NGOs hate the Canadian government 🙂
PS. The rest of you in the devolving (Kyoto) world, keep banging the rocks together.

Yeah, and the economy under the Maple Leaf is doing better than under the Gridiron, too.
What’s the Standard & Poor’s rating on Canadian sovereign debt?

the right strategy for the US might be an ‘elephant that roared’ – invade Canada, then capitulate.

Reminds me of an old Cold War joke.
The Russians invade China.
On the first day 10,000 Chinese surrender.
On the second day 100,000 Chinese surrender.
On the third day 10,000,000 Chinese surrender.
On the fourth day Russia surrenders.

[What’s the Standard & Poor’s rating on Canadian sovereign debt?]
Country risk rankings (June 2011)
Least risky countries, Score out of 100
Rank Country Overall score
1 Norway 92.44
2 Luxembourg 90.86
3 Switzerland 90.20
4 Denmark 89.07
5 Sweden 88.72
6 Singapore 87.65
7 Finland 87.31
8 Canada 87.24
We are fine, thanks for asking.

Hopefully this is just the first crack. Canada can meet its relatively small aid obligations to Africa and other third world countries, but just where is a bankrupt Europe going to get its funding from?
Same with Oz until they change their leaders. Sometimes it is good to live in a cold snowy country that needs carbon fuel to survive – be it wood or oil or gas or even bio fuels. It’s all carbon based … just like us and pretty much all other life on this planet.
Wayne, from Faraway, Alberta, Canada.

…. Sigh… Meanwhile in the Useless Stupid Soviet Republic of Gillard’s Australia…… We are gonna pay 23 perfectly good Aussie dollars for every ton of CO2 that we produce!…. It’s enough to send yer spare.

Another Gareth: Where you been Andrew? The International Climate Court of Justice as proposed in point 78 in the draft proposal from Durban (FCCC/AWGLCA/2011/CRP.38)

I had hoped that we would not withdraw from Kyoto. Then at the end of 2012 the UN would try to extract billions in reparations. That would force Canada to take the UN to court. Kyoto would not survive in the courts as it is based of fraud.

“Who would have the authority to fine a sovereign nation?”
Alas a whole shedload of sovereign nations in Europe have surrendered their sovereignty to an unelected dictatorship in Brussels and have given that unelected body the right to fine them.

Proud to be a Canadian!

Now it time to help our European and Austrilian brothers and sisters to escape the climate craziness.

I’ll say it again … Oh, Canada!
The government is going to take a beating for this, but it is the strongest move I’ve seen come from a government in years. Small population, but huge guts and large brains!

Interesting that Kent was a true believer of CAGW back in the 1980 before her got involved in politics.

One can only wonder.
Will Obama come out saying that he’s got to kill carbon based restrictions on the American economy for fear that American industry will move north? He could claim he has no choice, those evil right wing capitalists in Canada forced him to do it….

it’s time now for a concerted effort by all countries outside the EU to shoot down the insane, unilateral ETS aviation tax. as every country’s airlines fly in and out of everywhere else, why on earth should the European Union be collecting taxes from the rest of the world?
8 Dec: ICIS: EU carbon allowance allocation to airlines proceeds despite protest
Meanwhile, after the European Court of Justice (ECJ) said it will rule on 21 December whether the EU’s inclusion of airlines in the ETS is legal (see EDCM 7 December 2011) – which is expected to give the move a green legal light – US Senator John Thune introduced a bill to block the inclusion of US airlines in the trading system.
“The idea that the European Union has the right to tax American air passengers and carriers flies in the face of our country’s sovereignty,” Thune said in a statement on his website on Wednesday.
“I reject this proposed European tax and will work with my colleagues in Congress and countless concerned stakeholders to block this tax.”…
In 2012, airlines will receive 0.6797 free aviation emissions allowances for every 1,000 tonne-kilometre reported for 2010.
A tonne-kilometre is a measure of the distance travelled and the total weight of load and passengers of flight.
According to calculations by consulting firm Altimedes, British Airways will receive the most 2012 allowances, collecting around 4.82% of total free credits, amounting to 10.35m EUAs.
It will be followed by Ryanair (5.6m EUAs), Iberia (4.6m), Emirates (4.3m) and Easy Jet (3.7m) as the top five recipients of free allowances in 2012.
In 2013-2020, the allocation will fall to 0.64219 free aviation allowances per 1,000 tonne-kilometre reported for 2010.
From 30 April 2013, flights landing or departing from airports within the territories of the EU states, as well as Norway, Liechtenstein and Iceland, will have to surrender EUAs matching their emissions in the previous year.
Each year, airlines will receive some free EUAs and will have to buy any extras they need on the carbon market.
http://www.icis.com/heren/articles/2011/12/08/9515194/eu-carbon-allowance-allocation-to-airlines-proceeds-despite.html
this one should never get off the ground either:
8 Dec: World Bank Urges Carbon Tax On Maritime Transportation
http://www.leadership.ng/nga/articles/9904/2011/12/08/world_bank_urges_carbon_tax_maritime_transportation.html

No wonder we like sharing a border with our northern neighbors!!!

I am Gloating and I earned it. Proud to be Canadian today.
To the former activist editor of the Canada’s Leftst paper Ed Greenspon…. I TOLD YOU SO.
All the ink and BS articles in your trash paper in service to the wealth stealing scheme. I have a printed copy of your mindless personal attack on me….you dolt.
To the present editor of Canada’s Leftist paper John Stackhouse, There are consequences to elections. This is a big one. I guess you don’t have as much influence you thought you had.
I call on the Harper government to investigate the billions of dollars farted away by phoney researchers employed at Canadian Universities using federal tax grants.
Global Warming….by people….. Bull!!

One way y’all can help show public support is by voting “yes” at the CBC poll asking the biased question:
Is Canada doing its part in the global fight against climate change?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2011/12/is-canada-doing-its-part-in-the-global-fight-against-climate-change.html
Greens have been moving the poll to condemn Canada.
Give them a hand if you got time. GK
Currently at:
Yes – 46.14%
No – 52.93%
Und – 0.93%

Kyoto “into the ash heap of history”! Yea!!

Hopefully this will drive David Suzuki from Canada.
/fingers crossed

Now,
Pull out of the UN!
Seriously…. the UN is a farce.

Canadian Govt’s & Canadian people as USA Govt’s & Amercans having left
the real world some moons ago in having & retreated unto their Twilight Zone.
American govts via the powerful wealthy republican 24/7 brainwashing media
convinced americans they being the worlds defenders of freedom democracy
where reality the USA the worlds worst terrorist organization that ever existed.
The Canadian people by the media even more brainwashed than Americans
if putting an hundred canadians together // from their combined brain powers
one could still not put together one working brain cell / even an flickering one.
Both nations having stuck their heads in the sand // in having no responibility
to the rest of humanity. A law unto themselves whom intend to do as pleasing
the intention through military force is take from other nations as they pleasing
in the process leaving a trail of destruction /a trail of death / a trail of suffering.

A toast to Anthony on this respectable victory in a seemingly endless war. As well for Durban falling short — THANK GOD. In fact, a la Curious George, Crown Royals for the house!
WUWT has been THE singular dispensary for sane appraisal in the CAGW debate — at cost in myriad ways to Anthony himself, along with to a lesser extent the other stalwarts contributing to the blog.
Hip hip hooray! …………….HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!!

william wallace: “Both nations having stuck their heads in the sand // in having no responibility
to the rest of humanity.”
Yeah, whatever. Why don’t you research a bit about foreign aid over the past 100 years and tell me which countries are high up on the list of giving foreign aid. I can’t speak for Canada, but I know quite a few of my hard-earned dollars have certainly gone toward foreign aid.
And if Canada’s actions help kill Kyoto, Canada will have done a tremendous service to the rest of humanity.

Now if only the US will quit sending reps to COPs. That will be a great day.

Eh Canada!
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

I’ve just been accused by a green zealot of supporting genocide for being happy about Canada’s exodus from Kyoto . Geez

Now if we can just get Skippy to join Lassie, Flipper, and – what is the Canadian TV hero-animal? All that I could find was something called “The Littlest Hobo.” Well, I suppose Canada has wandered a bit until lately, but still….

p.s. I do know that my USA never ratified the Kyoto b.s. which Algore foolishly signed ….. but far too many US political leaders have pushed cap-n-trade or talk wistfully about joining in on the radicals’ CAGW hysterical bandwagon.

As one who scrutinizes his Ontario One’s electric bill, I see that I am paying to: 1) decommission the Bruce Nuclear power plant at Point Douglas; and, 2) at the very same time, recommission the Bruce Nuclear power plant at Point Douglas. I spend $15 Canadian Dollars each pay period to both decommission and recommission the same power plant. These are the costs of the Liberal Government’s Green Policies when policies were made devoid of economic and electric power needs realities. I have commented before on the renewable wind energies this summer that I also pay for, $5 Cdn, that stood idle (11 windmills turning out of 500+ Sarnia to Tobermory) during this summer’s heat when the wind didn’t blow. $20 Cdn for failed Government policies. In keeping with the Canadian Social Contract, others, but not me, will temporarily receive a refund for these expenses out of…. the Ontario Government’s tax revenue. The people of Ontario are paying taxes to pay for failed Government policies but because of political blow back, will receive a subsidy they have already payed for. Digging one’s self out of this mess is like extracting one’s self from the Alberta tar sands: a lot of work and money. Maybe worthwhile if the lesson is learned: Don’t trust the Greens under any circumstance.

Lamenting the American and Canadian people, william wallace at 5:08 PM on 12 December complains:

The Canadian people by the media even more brainwashed than Americans if putting an hundred canadians together // from their combined brain powers one could still not put together one working brain cell / even an flickering one.
Both nations having stuck their heads in the sand // in having no responsibility to the rest of humanity.

The reason why neither Americans nor Canadians neither do nor should trouble themselves “in having no responsibility to the rest of humanity” is because – and this is going to surprise you, Mr. wallace, it sure as hell shouldn’t – is that neither Americans nor Canadians have any AUTHORITY. over the rest of humanity.
Can’t have “responsibility” for something over which you have no friggin’ authority, which is one of those aspects of factual reality so many “Liberal” idiots can’t get their fumbling hands around.
The “rest of humanity” has to take responsibility for itself, Mr. wallace.
Nobody else can.

Canada! The new, shimmering, brilliant North Star!

The old Kyoto treaty required 55% of emissions to be ratified. Do they still have that much?

Now if we can just get our goverment to investigate the massive fraud that got us into this mess in the first place. This is a great first step toward sanity but the eco-nazi types cannot go unpunished, their attack on our country has cost us and still costs us plenty. Environment Canada is full of zealots, read their website; “Environment Canada’s Science” is a key phrase.Incompetence of this magnitude cannot be ingored.

william wallace,
Your head is already firmly inserted in a warm, cozy place reputed to be a global warming offender.

Announcements like this demonstrate that in a world of followers, there are some who will do justice to their position and actually lead. This was ballsy, lets hope this was the tipping point for other ‘leaders’ and they follow Harper’s courageous lead. And no my American friends he’s ours and you cannot have him, FTA or not!

Can someone please tell me what Canadians will pay to get out of Kyoto??
Kent’s use the term ‘would be’ is ambiguous.

Couldn’t Canada set up the first independent climate gate investigation by themselves ?
Surely, they have the right capacity, skills and background knowledge in their own country.
This would be a real service to the world.

davidmhoffer / Your a good soul. Your spiritual record be / above the norm
thus my words dd not take you into account/ your having working brain cells.
To give some understanding each life one embarks upon the individual adds
any spiritual development in understanding as in experience in making / unto
their Spiritual Account. Ones spiritual account is carried from life to life it can’t
be lost or stolen it is the property of the individual. What being the purpose of
a spiritual account?. Through ones growing spiritual understanding experience
one in time reaches (enligtenment). It only while in a human frame one making
spiritual development // thus its important a life not wasted / but its used wisely.
There always spiritual teachers (I mean spiritual teachers not religious) among
spiritual teachers be the Teacher of teachers the present Teacher of Teachers
is Prem Rawat. On pc search put (words of peace) on site a selection of videos
in which Prem Rawat talks explains of meditation // in turning the senses inwards
in doing so bringing an unfolding of the spiritual self. Not ideas / Not beliefs / but
very practical spiritual experience giving an clarity that all quesions be answered.
I hope such above information goes a way in your forgivness if I having offended.
I give congratulations upon your advanced state of spiritual develoment as your
development in understanding. Your close where meditation in being your future
stage to embark upon //and that will be a testing time as of very rewarding times.

Oh Canada!
We love you Hosers, Eh?!!! Thanks a Bunch, Canadians! Now, if the US of A can only grow a fiscally conservative President with a spine and a pair… and a Congress with individual IQs somewhat above room temperature!
MtK

As much as Harper backstabbed us with regard to the Income Trust issue, he kept his word to pull out of Kyoto. 1-1.
Of course the Thomson Reuters media voices its displeasure.
The Globe and Mail has had a clear bias in reporting the issue of Climate Change: only alarmist stories handpicked from AP or Canadian Press, written by known journalist/activists such as Seth Borenstein or Bob Weber have been fed to the readership and all their so called experts writing about it are involved in propagating the IPCC dogmas.
Political pundits like Jeffrey Simpson, political scientist Thomas Homer-Dixon who explained to us how warm creates cold winters, parroting Overland from NOAA without basic meteorological knowledge, Don Tapscott, the techno-guru or Andrew Weaver, one of Canada’s IPCC representative NDP supporter.
It took the Globe two weeks to report about “Climategate 1” and 10 days for some opinion piece by Margaret Wente to report about “Climategate 2”. CTV Globemedia belongs to the Thomson Reuters group owned by the Thomson family the richest in Canada. Woodbridge is the $15 billion investment arm, and among the Thomson Reuters Foundation trustees, is Sir Crispin Tickell.
His biography stipulates that “Sir Crispin’s close relationship with the Climate Institute began in June 1988 when he was the luncheon speaker at a climate change symposium organized by the Climate Institute for UN Missions under auspices of UNEP.”… “With Sir Crispin as Chairman and under auspices of the IPCC and UNEP, the Institute held Presidential and Ministerial briefings on climate change in 22 nations, the first in Mexico at Los Pinos in March 1991.”
http://www.trust.org/learn-more-about-us/trustees/
Tickell also helped the chief propagandist journalist from the Guardian, Monbiot obtain Fellowship of Green College in the UK. He knew well the UN since he was former UK ambassador to the United Nations. Thus Tickell was an insider very early on.
A search showed 14 emails where the name Crispin Tickell is mentioned. “Climategate 2” is offering a glimpse of Sir Crispin’s early activity.
One can easily imagine that with a Trustee of such green pedigree looking over the Thomsons $15 billion investments, it is unlikely that their principal newspaper, The Globe and Mail or their Television channels CTV, BNN would promote anything but the IPCC line. Jeremy Rifkin’s recent interview on BNN was an example of such open propaganda. So much for objectivity, so much for integrity in revealing what amounts to potential conflicts of interests in a major issue. The Durban coverage was no exception.

To my very close Northern Neighbors.
WEll done ole chaps.
This may be one of the reasons they decided to withdraw.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/02626667.2010.513518

As a resident of the USA who lives very close to our Canadian friends (I can occasionally see the lights from Cobourg Ontario across our shared Lake Ontario) I say GOOD FOR YOU………….
I am of course reminded of the sacrifices by our neighbor during WWI, WWII, and Korea, thanks again for your assistance, every bit helped.
Can anybody find the text of a famous radio broadcast from a Canadian (The Gentleman’s name escapes me at this time) referring to “Who will help the USA after all they gave to help the world”, this radio broadcast (from approximately the mid 1970’s) talked about how nobody would loan us a “worn out caboose”, this was at the time that our once great railroad industry in the Northeastern USA had collapsed (i.e. the Penn Central debacle).
I would be very GRATEFUL if anybody can produce a link to or text of this broadcast.
I am ashamed as an American that we let this whole AGW SCAM get this far, I am thankful that our neighbor has come to their senses. Hopefully, the Shining City on the Hill will WAKE UP next.
An International “Climate Court”, are you @!@#%^ KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers, Kevin.

JDSmith – Toronto says:
December 12, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Can someone please tell me what Canadians will pay to get out of Kyoto??>>>
Sure. The price is 0.00 to get out.
The price to stay in is $14,000,000,000.00
Get it? Get out for nothing or stay in for $14 Billion. Of course, that’s just the price for ONE MORE YEAR. If we extended it like the UN is asking everyone to, that would be $14 Billion/year and CLIMBING.

Great day here in the Great White North. ☺☺
PLEASE … all Canucks on board here … PLEASE drop a short note to Mr. Kent and say thank you. Say anything you want…just let him know you are good with the decision. He and Stevie Wonder will be getting some heat from the green weenies. Send a copy to your MP as well.
Email Minister@ec.gc.ca and kentp@parl.gc.ca
And PM Stevie Wonder as well. pm@Peter Mullans.gc.ca
Send a copy to Elizabeth “The Beaver” May as well. Elizabeth.May@parl.gc.ca.
“The Beav” is fairly hostile. She’ll be wanting to gnaw on a tree. Poor Beav. ☺☺
Copy to Bob Rae … bob.rae@parl.gc.ca
Copy to the “leader” of the NDP as well…okay, so “leader” is a stretch.
Nycole.Turmel@parl.gc.ca
Clive

KevinK;
You’re looking for a piece by Gordon Sinclair called “The Americans”.
Full text here:
http://www.broadcasting-history.ca/index3.html?url=http%3A//www.broadcasting-history.ca/news/unique/am_text.html
Itz from 1973. After 911, his son ran it again, and an amazing number of people thought it had just been written, they didn’t get that it was about 30 years old already. Strangely, just as relevent todayt as then IMHO.
Wallace, you’d do well to have a read.

Here is the text for “The Americans” by Gordon Sinclair in 1973.
Wallace, this is for you:
Topic: “The Americans”
The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the world.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtze. Well, Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did, that’s who.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. And I was there. I saw that.
When distant cities are hit by earthquake, it is the United States that hurries into help… Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan… the Truman Policy… all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. And now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.
Now, I’d like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on… let’s hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 10? If so, why don’t they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or a woman on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times … and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are right here on our streets in Toronto, most of them… unless they are breaking Canadian laws… are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.
When the Americans get out of this bind… as they will… who could blame them if they said ‘the hell with the rest of the world’. Let someone else buy the bonds, let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won’t shake apart in earthquakes.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of them are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.
Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don’t think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their noses at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year’s disasters… with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody… but nobody… has helped.
ORIGINAL SCRIPT AND AUDIO
COURTESY STANDARD BROADCASTING CORPORATION LTD.

Canadia is racist!!
This is good news. Our cousin Cindy didn’t land any gold at the last Olympics but at least the canadians didn’t toss away 13 billion in gold on this stunt.
Does the US have to have Congress pass on this treaty? If we do pass it, we can give them Detroit, the Peoples Republic of Berkeley and Chicago for collateral.

…and for those who read “The Americans” by Gordon Sinclair, 1973, in addition to telling “Wallace” exactly what he needs to hear, I note that there’s a couple of interesting historical climate references in that speech.
1973.
Year half over.
59 communities flattened by tornadoes
bottom land of the Mississipi under water
1973 was the beginning of “an ice age is coming” mythology. It was cold, freakin’ cold, I recall those winters and I do NOT want to see them again. When was the last time anyone recalls 59 American communities flattened by tornadoes? Warming = Extreme weather my *ss.

Surely this has to be the first move other leaders have been waiting for.
Australia was the last (stupid) one to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, although many of the stupid regulations pertaining to it were passed anyway (e.g. locking up farmland).
A conservative government in Australia could mean dumping of the carbon tax and dumping of Kyoto. Now that would be something worth hoping for. If Canada can… I can only imagine how many mining companies just opened up a ‘where can we invest in Canada’ document.

Ben U. says:
December 12, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Now if we can just get Skippy to join Lassie, Flipper, and – what is the Canadian TV hero-animal?

Many would answer a Beaver… but it is:
Winnie the Poo – of course! GK

saltspringson says: December 12, 2011 at 4:54 pm
“Canucks are catching on to this game…what are the rest of you waiting for?
In the case of the US two things: (1) the ouster of the current whitehouse occupant, and (2) a conservative takeover of the senate.
Go Canada!

tokyoboy says:
December 12, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Then the remaining Kyoto-freaks are:
EU (UK and Germany only?), Norway, Oz, and NZ. Am I right?
No. KP commitments are now only voluntary if a country wishes to continue to adhere to the defunct KP. Japan, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada do not but the 27-nation European Union, Norway and Switzerland will continue voluntarily (or not)
The KYOTO PROTOCOL “Party Quantified emission limitation or reduction commitment” table is here:-
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html
The USA commitment is listed but USA never ratified KP. USA did however make commitments to the Copenhagen Accord as did China and India. The Copenhagen Accord is still operative but is not a legally binding treaty. The ‘Durban Platform’ seeks to implement legally binding emissions reductions from 2020 onwards but nothing will be agreed to until 2015 (if then). It remains to be seen if 2020 commitments (if any) are a new table superseding the Copenhagen Accord.
Hopefully by then the Monboit Minimum will have kicked in.

At 8:47 PM on 12 December, brc had written:

Surely this has to be the first move other leaders have been waiting for.
Australia was the last (stupid) one to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, although many of the stupid regulations pertaining to it were passed anyway (e.g. locking up farmland).
A conservative government in Australia could mean dumping of the carbon tax and dumping of Kyoto. Now that would be something worth hoping for. If Canada can… I can only imagine how many mining companies just opened up a ‘where can we invest in Canada’ document.

I could only hope that tallbloke or one of the other Australian bloggers might put in an appearance on this thread; I’d seen him participant in Dr. Curry’s thread discussing Science communication (specifically the convocation of the climate catastrophists’ Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide at the Fall AGU warmista ecumenical council).
Anybody reading here from Down Under prepared to discuss the precarious status of la Gilliard’s excuse for a government and how close it is at present to coming to bits like the proverbial Pakistani hand grenade?

Al Gored says … “May is obviously a woodchuck.” ☺☺☺
We started calling the poor thing “The Beav” way back. I have a great TV screen capture of her trying to eat a microphone on CTV after the last election.
Okay ..we should not make fun of people. Elizabeth May wherever you are, we are sorry.
Reminds of an old BC cartoon … some other time. ☺

Clive
I’m not sorry. I’ve met her.

william wallace;
My sense is that english is not your first language, so I’m going to let you off the hook. Otherwise you’d be fully exposed by now to my sarcastic wit, and I don’t think the language hanidcap you’re under would make it a fair fight. On the other hand, you’re so divorced from reality, that I’m not certain if your having a strong command of the english language would make a difference.
You may, if you wish, meditate and recommend it to others. Unfortunately, tyrants aren’t much into meditation, and if they want to slice your head off, it matters little how well you meditate.
The Nazi machine savaged Europe, and 40 million people died before it was over. What stopped them? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. What stopped the slaughter in Bosnia Herzogovina? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. Why did the slaughter in Rwanda come to an end? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. Why are there no more slaves in the Unites States (and many other countries)? Armed men with the will to lay their lives on the line so that people like YOU could live in freedom. Why does South Korea live in prosperity while North Korea starves to death? Armed men willing to lay down their lives so that people like YOU could live in freedom.
I could go on for many paragraphs. If you’d like to point out a single example ofg an evil empire intent on the slaughter of innocent people by the thousands and millions that was brough to a halt by meditation, I’d be very interested.

In what seems to be a response to my observation that Americans and Canadians cannot (and should not ever be expected to) concede “responsibility to the rest of humanity” because neither Canadians nor Americans have AUTHORITY over the rest of humanity (and responsibility can only work when it’s commensurate with controlling authority), at 9:25 PM on 12 December we’ve got the spectacular william wallace babbling to me:

I thank you for your words in my answer to a comment
made by ( davidmhoffer) .

davidmhoffer’s post at 5:38 PM on 12 December, perhaps? This wallace whackjob never specified in his post of 6:08 PM just what the hell comments he was addressing, if he was actually addressing anything at all. Ah, but let’s permit Mr. wallace to burble on:

The words as the advice having gave to (davidmhoffer) also applying to you. Thus PLEASE look up my response unto (davidmhoffer). In its reference to meditation as of the (words of peace) site on internet. The videos upon meditation.

Ah. Hm. Hoo, boy. Shake that bagful of granola enough and all the nuts do seem to settle on the bottom, don’t they?
Skipping merrily over the value of discussing “meditation” on a Web log in which the readers and disputants are for the greatest part individuals educated in the sciences and making conscious and particular use of reasoned argument and not appeals to the thalamus and/or the ineffable (with or without the consumption of hallucinogenic substances), has Mr. wallace anything remotely resembling lucid thought on the subject of “responsibility to the rest of humanity” which can be translated into terms by which some apprehensible abstract conceptualization of purposeful human action of some nature might be entertained?
Or (to quote the Reverend Johnson in the wonderful film Blazing Saddles [1974]) “are we just jerking off?”

Tucci78 / Please read my comment to (Neill) which was in regard to american
as canadian / sense of humour. Your having a good sense of humour which is
a tonic of good health. Seeing a humoures side of a dire situation /one’s gifted

william wallace says:
December 12, 2011 at 9:25 pm
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Looks like bot speak, To be ignored.

Clive said
“Okay ..we should not make fun of people. Elizabeth May wherever you are, we are sorry. ”
Al Gored said
“I’m not sorry. I’ve met her.”
* * *
Considering she was quoted as being ” in tears tonight” ( crocodiles tears, maybe) over Canada’s unwillingness to hand over our hard-earned cash like we are on some Great Train Robbery, I’d say the jab still stands.
She also has a brother who makes a nasty habit of trolling message boards and calling everyone the D word, as well as every other word thats not fit to print.
Two peas in a pod.

davidmhoffer / The germans offered a surrender / in a USA deciding
to enter the war /knowing they could not stand against the americans
with its manpower as resources / to continue the war but an futile act.
The USA would not accept GERMANY’S surrender as the WAR t’was
bringing employment / as lifting the USA out of a deep depression a
period that having been time of great poverty for the USA it’s people.
The other reason not stopping the war / an world war was was giving
a USA a military footing on the world stage // an reason in expanding
its military forces / not to defend democracy / freedom but in using its
military might to do as pleased to other nations with threats of violence.
The war could have ended two years earlier / in saving millions of lives
yet the USA refused such / as it t’was not to their pleasing their benefit.
May I add the war was used as cover where people distracted to flood
both BRITAIN as USA with TOBACCO building a massive advertizing of
tobacco ( movies were not bt long adverts for tobacco) it made to look
a wise thing to do / the dying soldier had a cigarettte stuck in his mouth
such was shwn as a act of kindness / by the wars end be it the USA / as
Britain / millions almost half the adult populations addicted unto tobacco..
in time they started dying from tobacco /related illnesses in thousands…
then in millions .. tobacco killing far more than any german bullet bomb.
The tobacco companies continued killing millions and get away with it
as the yearly profits in making were $billions / with such profits they…
then funded political parties // in turn political parties for decades but
turning a blind eye to deaths in hundreds of thousands / the suffering
of their own. Britain / only in the last decade was smoking BANNED in
public places / or the work place / for many british as american people.
In getting just that done being an great struggle // where the politicians
did not support the people / they but supported the tobacco companies.
davidmhoffer / Youv’e been raised where brainwashing started at a early
age / thus the picture painted is not that of reality it but that which youv’e
been brainwashed unto believing / the reality is but far from that believing.

Tucci78 says:
December 12, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Anybody reading here from Down Under prepared to discuss the precarious status of la Gilliard’s excuse for a government and how close it is at present to coming to bits like the proverbial Pakistani hand grenade?
I am sure that Tallbloke can give you a much better picture Tucci78 but for the current Australian political status I would recommend Antony Green’s fine Election Blog (Unlike the rest of the ABC he is extremely impartial):
http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/11/future-election-dates.html#more
You will see that the earliest a Federal Election can be held is August 2013 with October 2013 as the most probable.
The added problem for the Coalition is that the Senate which is required to pass all bills does not necessarily match the House of Representatives elections because it is split into 2 blocks. The Senate currently holds a comfortable majority of Labor and Greens for any Gillard reforms such as the carbon tax. It could also block any rescinding of a carbon tax when and if the Coalition oust Gillard from government although if there is landslide against Gillard especially if carbon tax is a major issue this would be unlikely in my opinion.
Even though Gillard runs a minority government in the House of Reps it is likely now that she will run full term as the Independents are now all Labor love-ins and she has just shored up her one seat majority by recruiting an Abbott turncoat as speaker of the House who was going to be sacked by Abbott for a variety of “offences” before the next election.
There is one Labor seat in jeopardy with a member under police investigation for possible fraud and as they say a week is a long time in politics and anything can happen but my bet is that October 2013 will be the day that the baseball bats will come out.
Long time to keep them shiny Huh? But present polling on a two party preferred basis is:
Abbott’s Coalition – 57%
Gillard’s Labor/Green Alliance – 43%.
About 60% of pollsters oppose the carbon tax by about a majority of 2 to 1 so Gillard has a hard task ahead to turn things around especially when she promised just before the election that there would not be one.
SO, the next 18 months will be critical for Gillard. Durban did not help although she is spinning like mad telling the faithful that it was a “landmark” decision and her carbon tax is justified.
If nothing changes much in the world as far as carbon trading is concerned and there are no major heat waves or other extreme events that she can pin on CO2, her government looks doomed and should go down faster than the Titanic. And may not resurface again for a long, long time. All Tony Abbott need do is make sure he doesn’t fall off his bike.

“That’s $1,600 from every Canadian family!!!!
What? Think yourselves very lucky. In Scotland they are planning to spend £2000 ($3000) not per family, but per person.

Aussie Luke Warm says:
December 12, 2011 at 6:22 pm
we’re soooooooooo jealous of you Canada. Can we borrow your government for awhile?
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… and we’re (NZ) in line to borrow it next!
The cracks are starting to appear … how long before the wall falls completely?

“That’s $1,600 from every Canadian family — that’s the Kyoto cost to Canadians, that was the legacy of an incompetent liberal government”
Here in Australia we are wearing this as the legacy of an incompetent Labor government.

Good on you Canada…..and a massive stick that up your jumper to the imbeciles running Australia into the ground.

Another Gareth asks who had the authority to fine a sovereign nation? Well the UN is hoping that eventually they will be able to. But now we can tell them to go hang.

Australia wake up!

Ben U 6:44 and G. Karst 8:52
Winnie the Pooh (with an ‘h’), despite being named after Winnipeg, is British, not Canadian. The Littlest Hobo was absolutely brilliant – my kids were small at the time and they loved it. Yes, the Littlest Hobo is a worthy emblem of the great Canadian nation. And thanks, Canada, for taking the lead in the direction of common sense. There are some slight signs that our leaders in Britain are beginning to wake up, but it’s very early days.

This signals Canada is ready to do business. Should we prosper form this, I would hope that we could further lead by investing in pure scientific research and increasing foreign aid.

BLADE / There no end to the nations plundered as bombed by the USA ..where Canada has supported in word as military / in appalling acts of mass murder as theft of nations resources.
BAHRAIN SYRIA IRAN RUSSIA CHINA IRAN VIETNAM ALL AFRICAN AS ASIAN NATIONS
JAPAN / SOUTH AMERICAN NATIONS A LIST OF EURO NATIONS ETC SUCH A LIST BUT
GOES ON AND ON AND ON // (PALESTINE) // THE PLIGHT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

william wallace says:
December 12, 2011 at 9:01 pm
aslbertalad / the cost of getting such oil from sand in the case of canada
is so expensive / it just ain’t worth the effort. What makes it practical is if
the oil prices from normal suppliers goes above $300 a barrel / if such to
happen then it would be practical in terms of cost for canada / they would
be able compete with present main oil supliers as / Middle East as Russia.
Nonsense. The cost of extracting oil from Canada’s sands is quite profitable at current world prices and has been for some time. Current costs of recovery are under $75/barrel which to my understanding is at the high end of the project specific break even point. New extraction technologies have much lower break even points.
You can’t seriously believe that $300/barrel is the price of crude necessary to sustain practical oil sands development. If that were the case, there would be no oil sands industry of any kind operating in the Province of Alberta, or anywhere else for that matter.
I know that Canadians and Americans are great friends, but I don’t think Americans like Canadians well enough to pay nearly triple the price for a barrel of crude.
http://www.neb.gc.ca/clf-nsi/rnrgynfmtn/nrgyrprt/lsnd/pprtntsndchllngs20152006/qapprtntsndchllngs20152006-eng.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_oil_sands

AND _IN_ALBERTA / Your few words say a lot / in main your the
typical canadian american // betwix your ears but a vacuum where
there should be a brain /it’s the result of centuries of brainwashing.
It not your fault your being but the victim of religious political fraud.

william wallace says:
December 12, 2011 at 9:01 pm

…
You may ask the question how can americans afford to buy it ?????????.
The reason being the american govt solves its problems of a cash shortage
by just printing more money. Such the benefits of being an super power one
just does as they pleasing / above the law / beyond the law /such is the USA.

You’re clueless, w. Every time the US government prints more money, it dilutes the value of all the rest that’s out there–hence, everybody holding US money is robbed by their own government.
But I see you’ve now resorted to ALL CAPS, which is a strong indication you’ve lost the debate on this thread (not that you had much of a position except deceptive prose and delusion like you’re living in some parallel universe or something).
People here want to see facts and logic; if you’re devoid of both, I suggest quit making a fool of yourself (although delving into your delusional mind is enlightening–I believe winning a confrontation with clueless people like you would be easy and it is–you’ve already demonstrated it).
And your mention of the “Palestinian People” in your last post is the clincher–utter and abject tool, sir.
PS> I worked with a Palestinian here in the US for a year, and even though he was an engineer by training, he was the most self-righteous, bigoted, racist human being I’ve ever known. His hatred of Israel was something to behold, and I was glad to leave that association–it completely poisoned his logic and reasoning. Maybe that’s your problem?

(NOTE: sorry for continuing to feed this threadjacking dingleberry)

william wallace [December 12, 2011 at 6:08 pm] says:
“Canadian Govt’s & Canadian people as USA Govt’s & Amercans … do as pleasing the intention through military force is take from other nations as they pleasing”

Examples please.

william wallace [December 13, 2011 at 5:54 am] says:
“BLADE / There no end to the nations plundered as bombed by the USA ..where Canada has supported in word as military / in appalling acts of mass murder as theft of nations resources.
BAHRAIN SYRIA IRAN RUSSIA CHINA IRAN VIETNAM ALL AFRICAN AS ASIAN NATIONS JAPAN / SOUTH AMERICAN NATIONS A LIST OF EURO NATIONS ETC SUCH A LIST BUT GOES ON AND ON AND ON // (PALESTINE) // THE PLIGHT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.”

Ummm, still waiting. See the bold part again: “through military force is take from other nations as they pleasing”. Don’t weasel out now boy. What did the USA and/or Canada take through military force, and from whom?

@William Howard wallace
You seem to have warped ‘psychological’ and ‘ideological’ motivations to believe nonsense. For instance, your world would be too shaken by successful production from “oil sands” (which is already happening on a large scale), so you make up ludicrous alleged facts such as the supposed $300/barrel production cost. Oil sand production is proving economically successful at well under $100/bbl and current estimates for costs going forward are in the range of $30-70/bbl (depending upon source) but nowhere near your $300/bbl.
You need to stop, learn to read carefully, learn to sift serious information and avoid reckless ideological sources, etc.

Wow! Just when I thought Stephen didn’t read my letters.
Way to go Cancda!

Proud to be a Canadian today. I have cheerfully sent a letter to PM Harper and Minister Kent supporting their decision to withdraw from Kyoto.

At7:16 AM on 13 December, Richard S Courtney had appealed:

Please stop feeding the william wallace (ww) troll. This thread is not about any of the things ww drivels on about but he/she/they/it seems near to subverting the thread onto the drivel….

I’ve been dealing with whatever in hell this william wallace whackjob might be by way of ridicule and scorn. I mean, he’s gotta be a joker or a ‘bot, right? Well, maybe not.
I’d very much like to learn what other readers here conceive this doofus to be trying to say. It seems to be nothing but the sort of “word salad” I’ve encountered in cases of major thought disorder and dementia, but doesn’t quite fit the pattern I’d expect to see were such gibbering to be uttered in a clinical setting.
To the extent that this critter can be said to have a point to make, just what the hell might it be?