Maybe this is why the US bailed out of the UNFCCC “Green Climate Fund” this week.The science has been “McKibbenized” for quite some time.
Email 340.txt
date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:13:20 -0500
from: “Tom Jacob” <Tom.Jacob@USA.dupont.com>
subject: REFLECTIONS ON THE HAGUE…
to: … schellnhuber@pik-potsdam.de… jonathan.pershing@iea.org, RKinley@unfccc.int, …m.hulme@uea.ac.uk…pachuri@teri.res.in…
munasinghe@worldbank.org…
In The Hague, we saw for the first time organized disruption of the conduct of negotiation and publicly staged confrontations. While organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process through major groups suchas NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace, they have operated within the structure as constructive participants in the policy-setting process, along with industry.
It gets worse:
At The Hague, this “inside” role was supplemented by hundreds of young, relatively naïve demonstrators brought in specifically to energize the environmental presence and confront the process. Even some within the ranks of the more established participants — while disavowing the takeover of the negotiating room — saw fit to publicly offer Minister Pronk and the UNFCCC Secretariate a veiled threat of “Seattle” if the process failed to deliver.
In the context of this resurgence of “environmental fundamentalism” it is also interesting to contrast the dynamics of the final give-and-take between the US and the EU in The Hague.
h/t to Tom Nelson
Kindly notice the sende is from DuPont. There’s also lots of stuff about Shell and BP Amoco, for instance.
Thanks tom, that one is a real treasure.
I like this bit too
“…The result of all this is an ever-larger question mark hanging over the Kyoto Protocol, its aggressive (and fast-approaching) targets/timetables and its innovative approaches to tapping the power of the market place…. “
” …its innovative approaches to tapping the power of the market place…. “ [jaw drops]
So WHO the heck wrote this???
OH I really hope the Occupy Wall Street crowd gets a load of this one….
When they write the history of the collapse of this house of cards, I hope Tom Nelson’s tireless contribution is remembered. Had the global elites realized the internet’s ability to enable principle-driven individuals it would have been strangled in the crib.
“Josualdo says:
November 26, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Kindly notice the sende is from DuPont. There’s also lots of stuff about Shell and BP Amoco, for instance.”
Yes, the industry contacts have been very interesting. BP has been a supporter of carbon trading which could conceivably make oil more competitive than coal when it comes to energy generation.
DuPont is rather famous for:
1) Getting hemp banned to make nylon competitive
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out and they’d developed far more expensive alternatives. This move put cheap albuterol inhalers out of reach for asthma suffers who live in poverty.
Fine examples of huge corporations twisting public opinion and government regulations in order to make massive profits.
Read 5192.txt and 3862.txt There must some sort of contest going on with 3862 in how many times “radical” can be used in one email:
These two emails seem to use every “progressive” buzzphrase there is. 5192.txt made me groan as it was so stereotypical as to be cliché.
Those are the only two emails in the list from Seyfang but they just ooooze an “activist” bent at UEA.
For skeptics to think this (as we have, for a long time) is one thing, but to read it in an email to some of the insiders is quite another. Jaw on floor!
This is all about these companies positioning themselves to take best advantage of a new cash stream that is coming on line with the “green” stuff and attempting to cast potential competitors for that cash in a bad light. They are all going to run around attempting to out “greenwash” each other.
Seriously: have a look a Peter Schweizer’s new book “Throw Them All Out” and then re-read some of these emails in that context and your stomach will begin to churn.
http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Peter-Schweizer/dp/0547573146
Reposted from BH
Climatefellas II (h/t to Maurizio Morabito for the title)
Big Jim has called an emergency meeting of “the family” to discuss the current crisis
Big Jim
“Guys, I gotta tell ya straight, it’s lookin’ real bad – mebbe worse than two years ago. We got the denier mobs crawlin’ all over us, Mad Mikey’s still got the DA on his back, we lost some of our best guys at that shoot out over at Loose Judy’s and now the feds’ve got evidence to bust most of our rackets ”
Mad Mikey
“Don’tworryaboudit boss, I can take care of it. Me and my guys gonna get tooled up, take to the mattresses ‘n waste the lot of ’em. Pow! Splat!, we’ll use the HS secret weapon again – nobody messes with Mad Mikey!”
Big Jim
“ Yeah – that worked brilliantly last time didn’t it Mikey, your secret weapon’s killed more of our guys than the deniers have – that’s why the DA’s getting your cell ready.”
Crazy Kev
“Absolutely – you really screwed up with that HS crap, Mikey, people don’t take it seriously any more. You should see when my guys roll out the Nul Hypothesis – you can see the denier crowd shake with fear.”
Big Jim
“It’s not fear, Kev – they’re laughing at you again. But all youse guys all need to loosen up and get some strategy – listen to Gav – he’s the brains of the outfit.”
Garrotter Gav
(the British consigliere) “ I’ve been talking to Fingers Phil about the British end boss. Things looked bad there for a while – but he thinks he’s getting them under control”
Mad Mikey
“ Shit boss, why to we have to listen to those whingeing, yellow toothed pussies – it’s always the friggin’ same – the Limeys get into wars and we’ve gotta bail em out – it’s 1942 all over again. If it wasn’t for Fingers Phil and his CRU mob the feds would never have got their mitts on all the evidence in the first place.”
Big Jim
“Shuddup Mikey. You gotta understand it’s different over there. They may seem like a bunch of fairies, but Phil ‘n his guys have pulled some pretty sweet rackets in the UK. They don’t have the feds and politicos breathing down their necks all the time like we have. Everybody’s in on the scam there – the Queen’s son heads up the racket, the politicians ‘r all fixed and the feds do what they’re told. Y’know there’s even a protection mob called the Beeb, that Phil works with, who get 200 bucks protection from every citizen – and they don’t even have to work up a sweat smashing their stuff or roughing them up. If they don’t pay up the feds put ’em in jail – how sweet is that! We could learn a lot from the Brits.”
Gav
“Yes, Phil says the Beeb mob and their deal with the Guardianista family are keeping the lid on things over there. There’s a bit of trouble from the Bish’s mob but they’re old guys and they don’t stand a chance against the Beeb, the Guardianistas and the feds combined. We should take a lead from the Brits – keep our heads down, avoid showdowns and quietly take out any deniers we can get near to. That’s how we run things at the Arcy Bar. We let a couple of deniers in, not too many, let them make themselves comfortable until they speak out of turn – then Raypierre the Bear, Evil Eric and the heavy mob just quietly take ’em out back and they’re never seen again.”
Big Jim
“OK, Gav’s right – listen up. We’re gonna play it cool, pretend like nothing happened and send our soldiers around town to pick off the denier mob one at a time. With luck the whole thing’ll blow over before the feds can deal with all the evidence. We’ve got the big Durban meet with all the other families and Capo Patchi next week – we’ll review things there and see if we need to go to the mattresses
Oh – and one more thing, there may be some of you junior guys with wives ‘n kids, who’ve just been on the fringes the rackets, and might be thinking they could make a deal with the feds, clear their conscience and buy themselves some immunity. Weeelll…….. I unnerstand we’re all human and we have our little weaknesses and I really want to help you guys work ’em through – I just want you to know that if anyone feels that way, I’ve arranged for one-to-one counselling, with Raypierre the Bear and Evil Eric, in the basement room – next to the furnace.”
Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.
Pales into insignificance alongside the sceptics take from Big Oil.
REPLY: If you got the proof, post it here, otherwise do kindly STFU – Anthony
TheGoodLocust says: November 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm […]
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out and they’d developed far more expensive alternatives. This move put cheap albuterol inhalers out of reach for asthma suffers who live in poverty.
Oh! I remember that’s how the ozone hole scare came about! It’s been some time… I wonder who came up with the DDT ban idea, certainly someone with “better” insecticides.
This is ah… pukegenic.
Jeff C says:
November 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Isn’t it ironic that in the early seventies people were up in arms that the Nixon administration wanted to run coaxial cables to every home in the U.S. The public were very concerned about “big brother”. Strange how it has turned out to be a vehicle for truth against domineering and controlling government and other corruptions ( climate scientists fudgerations). H. R. Haldeman’s plan, if I am not mistaken, and interrupted by “Watergate”.
old44 says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.
Pales into insignificance alongside the sceptics take from Big Oil.
Yeah, Anthony’s private jet is the envy of us all.
🙂
Ah, Climategate II, the gift that keeps giving…
Jeff C says:
November 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Rarely has a truer word been said!
This whole green fund and AGW business is and has never been about anything else but politics. When you overplay your hand and/or become a political (read that reelection) liability, the politicians will cut you off. I know most of you thought it was about science and egos. Nope, never was either. It was always about picking or riding the right house. The rats started abandoning the ship with CG 1, I suspect it will become a stamped in the very near future.
Dave says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm
“Ah, Climategate II, the gift that keeps giving…”
Very true, but the silence about it in the MSM is unreal. Are they in shock or not impressed?
Or…. in denial?
The bleating sheep climate radicals need to get real jobs, after they bathe.
Oh what delicious… is it irony? The Occupy Wall Street mob are unwitting tools of the 1%.
I don’t think people yet realize the extent to which UNELECTED bureaucrats are responsible for creating the regulations under which they live and work. Some Committee of the UN creates international guidelines that some department of the national government adopts and makes national policy that some state/provincial department implements at the local level and not a single piece of legislation has passed through a branch of government responsible to voters.
People, your elected government is becoming meaningless. In too many cases, The Department of Red Tape is not only tasked with creating and implementing regulations, it is also tasked with enforcement of its own regulations without any interference from a body representing the people in the decision.
I like the way Futurama said it:
They are hoping that if they “deprive the story of oxygen” that it will die out and go away. Also, they are probably having trouble putting things in a way that the average person would understand in a 30 second blurb during the top of the hour news on the traffic station.
‘Insider roles’
‘Staged protests’
‘Young naive activists’ used as useful idiots.
And it’s right there for the media to report.
from: dupont
to: pik-potsdam…iea….unfccc……uea……teri…..worldbank
The “democratic” process at work….
TheGoodLocust says:
DuPont is rather famous for:
…
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out
The meme that never dies! Sadly for you, it is total bollocks.
Patents last for 20 years maximum (usually much less) and the important CFC patents ran out in the 50s or before. At very best DuPont had a process patented, but those are easily reverse engineered, so the patents are mostly ego for the scientists.
I challenge you to find and list here the patents DuPont had that ran out just at the time of the CFC scare. The Patent Office is searchable on-line. You should have no problem. (Except they aren’t there, of course.)
Don’t forget about the carbon pioneer … Enron.
DuPont? That would not be Montreal Protocol DuPont, now would it?
Mooloo
November 26, 2011 at 3:27 pm
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A rather moot point, as they did have patents on products that no one wanted because of cheaper non patented alternatives.
Hehe, have a look at 4626.txt
Bradley doesn’t hide his political leanings at all and Fred Singer doesn’t think too highly of it (as would be expected).
“Is the global warming scare the greatest delusion in history?”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8917737/Is-the-global-warming-scare-the-greatest-delusion-in-history.html#disqus_thread
Spellling it out. Finishes with :
“This is no longer science worthy of the name. As I wrote when the first Climategate emails appeared in 2009, the global warming scare is far and away the greatest scientific scandal of our generation. When we then contemplate the insanity of the measures the politicians have imposed on us in consequence, we know we are looking at a collective flight from reality which has no precedent in the history of the world.”
I’m runnig out of barf bags. Anyone else having that problem?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2066240/Second-leak-climate-emails-Political-giants-weigh-bias-scientists-bowing-financial-pressure-sponsors.html
“Climategate scientists DID collude with government officials to hide research that didn’t fit their apocalyptic global warming5,000 leaked emails reveal scientists deleted evidence that cast doubt on claims climate change was man-made
Experts were under orders from US and UK officials to come up with a ‘strong message’
Critics claim: ‘The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering’
Scientist asks, ‘What if they find that climate change is a natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us all'”
The MSM is starting to work out the implications.
Thank you “View from the Solent” for that link!
Kudos to Christopher Booker at Telegraph.co.uk.
Finally someone in the media is picking this up.
Oh, the drivel!
From 2052.txt
Isn’t exactly accurate. It is from 1682.txt from Tommy Wils’ personal gmail account to a U. Arizona mailing list (paydirt????)
That’s a dendro list, by the way. Not likely to be all that interesting.
Back to McIntyre: what to do? Get away from the YES and NO camp, find the humble, middle road. There is a passage in the bible: if someone hits you on your cheek, turn him your other cheek…
Not a humble response, but a teaching from Jesus on taking a stand for equality.
Roman soldiers had the right to hit the subjugated nationals, but no further, typically a backhander which is as dismissive as you can get – by turning the other cheek this move becomes impossible.
The other example of ‘carrying a load for a mile and offering to carry it two’ – again Roman soldiers were allowed to order the subjugated to carry the soldier’s packs, but only for one mile. The offer to carry it for two is again a stand for human dignity – with the added frisson that the soldier can’t accept – he’s the one bound by their laws.
Jesus was an Anarchist. Anarchia meaning without a head, i.e., without another with authority over one. See Matthew, Mark and Luke.
old44 says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.
Pales into insignificance alongside the sceptics take from Big Oil. ” ]
You’ll been spoutin’ this for years. But you can’t seem to backup this claim.
Put your big girl panties on – and stop playin’ in doo – doo.
old44 says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
“Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.”
WOW!! That’s a LOT of money, considering these organizations don’t make things or, in fact, do anything worthwhile. Exactly, what are their “products” anyhow? Oh, that’s right…[LOL!].
Foxgoose says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Reposted from BH
Climatefellas II (h/t to Maurizio Morabito for the title)
Ha ha ha ha……………
But you left out my favorite hit man “da-eraser” Connolley
Oh, but they do make things. They manufacture inefficiency in certain places that make other places that would not be competitive into being more competitive. What they make is market inefficiency in one place in order to cause money to flow in a different direction.
It is much easier to make one place less efficient than it is to make another place more efficient. Sort of like it is easier and takes much lower skill to demolish a building than it takes to design and build one. It is much easier to impede economic activity than it is to stimulate it by active measures. This is all about impeding economic activity in one place so that it flows to a different place.
DesertYote says:
A rather moot point, as they did have patents on products that no one wanted because of cheaper non patented alternatives.
That at least is feasible, though I still haven’t seen these alleged patents.
However DuPont has competitors with serious money. They would fight tooth and nail any change that favoured DuPont over them.
Moreover it took longer to force through the CFC ban than patents last. By the time DuPont won their patents would have expired.
Myrrh says:
November 26, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Jesus was an Anarchist. Anarchia meaning without a head, i.e., without another with authority over one. See Matthew, Mark and Luke.
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Actually, Jesus [SNIP: Chris, from one theological standpoint you are certainly correct, but theology and religion are one of the topics Anthony prefers we don’t discuss here. We made an exception in another thread and it rapidly got out of hand. Sorry. -REP]
I wonder if our friend, FOIA would consider dropping an email/day for the next few years or so from the encrypted file…..Kinda like Chinese water torture!! It would certainly keep our friends constantly on their toes, and provide a unique way of getting some attention driven to this ‘travesty’….no way media sources could ignore such a tact.
old44, if you dont have proof, a post with their address for account recievable would suffice for me.
Chris B says:
November 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Myrrh says:
November 26, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Jesus was an Anarchist. Anarchia meaning without a head, i.e., without another with authority over one. See Matthew, Mark and Luke.
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Actually, Jesus [SNIP: Chris, from one theological standpoint you are certainly correct, but theology and religion are one of the topics Anthony prefers we don’t discuss here. We made an exception in another thread and it rapidly got out of hand. Sorry. -REP]
________________________________
REP, I agree that this is not the place for discussions of theology or religion, such as whether or not Jesus is an anarchist. However, I feel compelled to counter statements about theology or religion that are allowed to be posted, if I don’t agree with them. Perhaps next time I should just respond that I don’t agree, and that theology and religion are best left off this board.
[REPLY: Thank you. -REP]
Jimmy Haigh says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Oh what delicious… is it irony? The Occupy Wall Street mob are unwitting tools of the 1%.
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I have been trying to tell them that for YEARS.
Maurice Strong, when he was young, worked for YMCA international. The story goes that he got his inspiration for the elite controlled international NGOs from that.
From Hofstra University law professor Peter Spiro
Sure looks lie Peter Spiro was correct.
crosspatch says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:57 pm
I don’t think people yet realize the extent to which UNELECTED bureaucrats are responsible for creating the regulations under which they live and work….
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AMEN!
That is the primary reason I am against a large strong centralized government. In the USA the Federal Government has over four million (4,000,000 ) employees.
Just look at what the FDA and USDA did to US farmers with their “Harmonization” to international laws. SEE: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/24/world-bank-global-warming-journals-and-cru/#comment-808354
What most people do not realize is that, at least in the USA, the bureaucrats (or lobbyists) WRITE the actual laws not Congress. (Congress sort of hand waves and tells the bureaucrats to go ahead) They get away with this by “Publishing” the new Regs. in the Federal Register. If there is no large out cry from the public the reg then becomes LAW. In “the 2010 Federal Register was 81,405 pages long” [wiki]
And who runs the bureaucracy??? Why the bankers and large corporations through the corporate/government revolving door. http://www.cptech.org/ip/health/politics/revolvingdoor.html
Between the Astroturf NGOs run on corporate foundation funds, the corporate run bureaucracy and the corporate funded political candidates is it any wonder people say we now live under “Neo-Corporatism” (It is NOT capitalism but the opposite)
Oh and the really nasty part is with REGULATIONS you get fines and told what you can and can not do WITHOUT a jury trial in most cases. It is a complete end run around the Constitution.
I have yet to find ANYWHERE in the Constitution where bureaucrats have been given the right to run our country. I have only found some rather dicey rulings by the Supreme Court.
Mooloo says:
November 26, 2011 at 3:27 pm
TheGoodLocust says:
DuPont is rather famous for:
…
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out
The meme that never dies! Sadly for you, it is total bollocks.
Patents last for 20 years maximum (usually much less) and the important CFC patents ran out in the 50s or before. At very best DuPont had a process patented, but those are easily reverse engineered, so the patents are mostly ego for the scientists…..
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“Patents last for 20 years maximum (usually much less) …
Sorry that is wrong, in the USA patents go for 17 years and can be renewed for an additional 17 years. At least during the time period of the 1970’s (I was working for a company hassling over a patent at the time)
That means it was a max of 36 years not 20 years.
“The critical DuPont manufacturing patent for Freon (“Process for Fluorinating Halohydrocarbons”, U.S. Patent #3258500) was set to expire in 1979.” WIKI – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorofluorocarbon
Reference given is ^ a b “Ethics of Du Pont’s CFC Strategy 1975–1995”, Smith B. Journal of Business Ethics, Volume 17, Number 5, April 1998, pp. 557–568(12)
So yes it looks like the patent was about to run out.
Sad part is that I feel we are all preaching to the choir here, and the converted don’t need this information so much as the average people do. I fear nobody with the resources to reach the masses in the “push” media will deliver this news to the people as those in that line of work tend to share the “progressive” socialist vision.
One of the best things I have seen so far:
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/Global/international/publications/greenpeace/2011/GPI_Annual_Report_2010.pdf
Page 20 In 2010, our supporters gave more than ever. Worldwide, Greenpeace raised over €226
million – an increase of more than 15% on 2009
http://www.worldwildlife.org/who/financialinfo/2010fundingandfinancialoverview.html Page 1
Operating revenue totaled $224.2 million, a 1.3% increase over FY09. This represents increases from all income sources, with the exception of foundations, and reflects decreased use of payouts from reserves..
http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/national/environment/natural-resources-defense-council-in-new-york-ny-129 Page 1
Financial
The following information is based on NRDC’s audited financial statements – consolidated for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2010.
Source of Funds
Membership and indvidual contributions 66,748,642
Foundation grants 17,604,616
Investment return 9,415,575
Awarded attorneys fees 5,397,481
Membership and individual contributions – NRDC Action Fund 5,114,826
Bequests 4,267,156
In-kind contributions 2,075,738
Other 1,869,081
Government grants 576,466
Total Income $113,069,581
These 3 groups earned $500 Million in 2010. Quite a bit short of $1.8B
Cross-posted from EUReferendum and slightly edited for WUWT:_
Meanwhile, from Thursday’s “Material World” on Radio 4:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b017mr3t
04:45 onward
We have Quentin Cooper with Lord Krebbs & Prof. John Beddington.
Bedwettington, who let’s remember is the Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor (sic), in a discussion about risk and uncertainty, asks:-
“Is Climate Change happening?
“Is it driven by human activity?
“Is it inexorable in the current way?
“Is it driven by Greenhouse gas emissions?
“Complete consensus of informed scientific opinion that in fact there is there (sic)”
And much more besides, opining that it would be entirely wrong to suggest that there was any “uncertainty” about the “Science” just because “one scientist” disagreed with the “99” who were entirely part of the “consensus”.
Not much recognition there of the obvious uncertainties of even the chief proponents of the cAGW scare as clearly revealed by Climategate 2.
With “advisors” like Bedwettington, as breathtakingly incompetent as he is flagrantly dishonest, it is no wonder that the policies of every mainstream political party is as ludicrous as they are.
But, of course, this is a circular argument. Bedwettington, like Houghton, Watson, Tickell and all the other #### were selected as advisors specifically BECAUSE they are incompetent and malicious little #####s.
“I don’t think people yet realize the extent to which UNELECTED bureaucrats are responsible for creating the regulations under which they live and work.”
And to that add the constitutional force that international agreements have in most jurisdictions. There is a widely adopted legal doctrine that decrees that in a conflict between national law and treaty clauses , the treaties prevail. Uber legislation via the back door.
Auntie BEEB is slated in The Daily Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066706/BBC-sought-advice-global-warming-scientists-economy-drama-music–game-shows.html
Seeing what I read in and from the second round of Climategate e-mails, it is time – HIGH TIME – for the United States to withdraw funding from IPCC and its lackey scientific agencies and call for the abolition of IPCC as a central, coordinating body. IPCC far oversteps the proper boundaries of an international agency and continues to act consistently with the (wrong) goal of forcing the governments of the world to make policies that are against their respective national interests. The U.S. government, if IPCC is not abolished, should threaten to withdraw all funding contributions to the UN and should kick the UN out of New York.
But understandably, it will take a presidential election in 2012 to accomplish that. I plan on raising this issue where I can with Republican candidates.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066720/David-Camerons-green-guru-Steve-Hilton-reveals-doubts-global-warming.html
Damage limitation beginning?
Oh I like that idea!
The archive all.7z contains 220,246 files (+readme).
He could release 1 per day for 603.41 years
He could release 10 per day for 60.34 years
He could release 100 per day for 6.03 years
This however just might violate a Geneva Convention, not to mention our own Eight Amendment: ‘Cruel and Unusual Punishment’. 😉
When it comes to politics, the corporates are far better practitioners than politicians. The difference is they are more effective because they do it silently, whereas the politicians who are in the main in it for money and ego, make a lot of noise about politics but strangely are a lot quieter when it comes to feathering their nests.
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Nik says:
November 27, 2011 at 12:35 am
“I don’t think people yet realize the extent to which UNELECTED bureaucrats are responsible for creating the regulations under which they live and work.”
And to that add the constitutional force that international agreements have in most jurisdictions. There is a widely adopted legal doctrine that decrees that in a conflict between national law and treaty clauses , the treaties prevail. Uber legislation via the back door.
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In the USA we can thank the Dulles “boys” (John Foster Dulles ~ Head of the CIA & Allen Dulles) for that bit of propaganda. Teach it to a couple of generations and even the Judges will start believing it.
Originally presented for an Honors Class, “Dilemmas of War and Peace,” at New Mexico State University: [Council on Foreign Relations] 24 references – http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm
Treaties in action: [the reference is “dicey” but the happenings are real. I just do not want to spend 1/2 the morning digging out better references that this Pop Piece] http://www.rense.com/political/offlimits.htm
A better but one-sided reference.
http://www.paydirtusa.com/Information_Repository/Information/Laws/New_World_Gold_Mine_Near_Yellowstone.html
Stephen Brown says:
November 27, 2011 at 1:26 am
“Auntie BEEB is slated in The Daily Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066706/BBC-sought-advice-global-warming-scientists-economy-drama-music–game-shows.html”
And Harrabin is in the centre of it all. BBC needs to do some house-cleaning.
Josualdo says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
TheGoodLocust says: November 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm […]
2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out and they’d developed far more expensive alternatives. This move put cheap albuterol inhalers out of reach for asthma suffers who live in poverty.
Oh! I remember that’s how the ozone hole scare came about! It’s been some time… I wonder who came up with the DDT ban idea, certainly someone with “better” insecticides.
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Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring is given the public “Credit” but from my own experience as an insider during the news media’s maligning feeding frenzy over another chemical, I am sure there is some one BIG behind the book pulling the strings.
If a book is not “Approved” it does not get published. “Secrets of the Federal Reserve” by Mullen is one example and the destruction of the actual printing plates in the case of “Banking, Currency, and the Money Trust” and “Why is Your Country at War?” by US Congressman Charles August Lindbergh Sr. are others. How many more never saw the light of day we will never know.
http://rachelwaswrong.org/malaria-legacy/
“…organized and deeply committed environmental activism”
Maybe this is why the US bailed out of the UNFCCC “Green Climate Fund” this week.The science has been “McKibbenized” for quite some time.”
One can’t be too blatant with regard to creating communism’s ‘useful idiots’.
One way to minimize a depressing view of where the world is headed is to avoid learning about the rise of Soviet communism.
Scarface says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Dave says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm
“Ah, Climategate II, the gift that keeps giving…”
Very true, but the silence about it in the MSM is unreal. Are they in shock or not impressed?
Or…. in denial?
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Take a look at WHO owns the MSM.
NBC Universal
It is instructive to look at who sits on the boards of directors and where they have ties….
OH, and do not forget advertising dollars. Monsanto used that threat to get Derry Brownfield tossed of the station he used to co-own. R.I.P. Derry Brownfield – The family Farmer’s best friend http://deadlinelive.info/2011/03/14/r-i-p-derry-brownfield-the-family-farmers-best-friend-and-monsantos-foe/
DARN we keep losing the good ones.
View from the Solent says:
November 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm
“Is the global warming scare the greatest delusion in history?”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8917737/Is-the-global-warming-scare-the-greatest-delusion-in-history.html#disqus_thread
Spellling it out…..
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THAT is one very fine article and deserves to be book marked. It sums up each of the economic disasters foisted on the UK by “Zero Carbon” all in one place.
E-mail 0036 Re: Rockefeller (they appear to have been privy to or mentioned in other e-mails and fund McKibben)
date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:33:28 -0400
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It is not Climate your armageddon kids!, Desperation comes from acknowledging bankruptcy of the many who considered themselves or their corporations to last “a thousand years” (As late Adolph would put it and “it” lasted four years…)
crosspatch says:
November 26, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Sad part is that I feel we are all preaching to the choir here, and the converted don’t need this information so much as the average people do…..
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I know what you mean. It is very frustrating.
However Anthony has a big readership world wide and even better, stuff written here gets “Lifted” and posted to other blogs. We even see stuff from here rewritten and used by professional journalists.
Sometimes we as individuals can use the stuff we find here to coax individuals to a more moderate stance. The Occupy Wall Street crowd has awoken to the bankers fractional reserve game. These e-mails can then help them make the connection between the Banks and the CAGW scam. The African Land grab is turning into a real sore point and Al Gore’s hind end is waving in the breeze with that one esp given Friday Mukamperezida’s death by burning.
The old saying is “a Conservative is a Liberal that got mugged” Getting CONNED and made a fool of is even worse than a simple mugging. So this applies to the rank and file “liberals” who became members of Willi Münzenberg ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ They really have no idea of who is behind the Activists groups they join, but will become livid when they realise IF you can pry their eyes open.
In one tiny back page article in the Wall Street Journal (April 1994??) Papers in the Kremlin showed that not only were Activist groups here in the USA funded by the KGB but they were actually RUN by KGB agents. I did not clip and save the article because I thought it would become front page news. That was before I wised up to how the world is really run and who actually runs it.
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html
Oh, and I think Occupy Wall Street was “Organized” as an Astroturf movement to counter the TEA Party. The message about the Federal Reserve Banks was just too strong and had to be countered, especially before the 2012 elections.
The confused liberals now have a group they can cling to and go back to sleep comforted that a “Protest” will cure all and they do not have to align themselves with the conservative camp.
(I am not a member of the Tea Party BTW)
Email #0059
date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:05:05 +0100
from: David Viner
subject: Fwd: DEADLINE**Funding for climate campaigners
to: cru.all@uea.ac.uk
From: cks@eyfa.org
To: cks@eyfa.org
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:07:09 +0200
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Subject: DEADLINE**Funding for climate campaigners
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Status:
Funding for climate campaigners.
A call for proposals.
from climate-l@eyfa.org
Deadline: 30th September 1999
**please distribute to others who may be interested**
We would like to invite proposals from activists working on climate campaigning.
Following an activist and NGO meeting in March this year, attended by climate
activists from Europe, Asia, USA, Australia and Latin America, funding was obtained to
support two people to work on a project connected to the sixth United Nations Climate
Convention, otherwise known as the Conference of the Parties (COP6), which will
happen in Autumn/Winter 2000/2001. The United Nations is currently considering only
one possible location for the meeting – den Haag, The Netherlands.
The International working group formed after the activist and NGO meeting are looking
for two people who would be able to create something innovative and effective with
this funding. They will be based in a Climate research group in Portugal,
‘Euronatura’. The campaign will be supported by the International working group
which has experience of United Nations negotiations, direct action, campaigning,
economics and climate science. Groups supporting this campaign include : eyfa, Aseed,
Carbusters Magazine, Korean Ecological Youth, Free The Planet USA, EuroNatura, Climate
Action Network Latin America, Climate Action Network Central and Eastern Europe and
Oilwatch Europe.
The thing that joins these people together is the desire to work together to
radicalise the agenda of the climate negotiations. The current direction of the
negotiations cannot hope to define targets nor build mechanisms of implementation and
compliance which will stop the currently dangerous emissions levels of Greenhouse
Gases.
Ideally, the collaboration between the two funded volunteers, Euronatura and the
International working group, will touch on all aspects of climate change and the
related campaigns of oil, forest, marine and transport. Equally, the collaboration
will be aware of all strategies to counter the weakness of the United Nations and the
dominance of certain lobbying groups (notably the oil and nuclear industry). The
strategies discussed by the International working group revolve around direct action,
research and negotiation.
Project ideas which have been discussed are a counter/alternative meeting at the same
time and place as the UN meeting and/or a symbolic event such as The Climate Train to
Kyoto. Please bring YOUR ideas to us! What do you think would be the most effective
way to radicalise the UN agenda and protect the climate from our current economic
and political systems? There are plans for a team to work in USA on a parallel
campaign.
The project should begin by the end of the 1999.
Are you a person who has the energy, skills and commitment to coordinate the European
component of an international campaign?
(unfortunately, the funding is only for people *under 26 years of age *from Iceland,
Norway, Algeria, Cyprus, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Malta, Morocco, Palestine,
Syria, Tunisia, Turkey or any EU country)
Please make your proposal for the campaign which you would like to be part of…
Deadline 30th September 1999.
Send to:
Climate Campaigns,
Postbox 94115
1090 GC
Amsterdam
Netherlands
fax: +31 20 692 8757
email: climate-l@eyfa.org
eyfa
postbus 94115
gc 1090
amsterdam
netherlands
tel. +31 20 6657743
fax. +31 20 6928757
email. eyfa@eyfa.org
#——————————————–
# Dr. David Viner
# Climate Impacts LINK Project
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# University of East Anglia
# Norwich NR4 7TJ
# UK
# mailto://d.viner@uea.ac.uk
# WWW: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/link
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john says:
November 27, 2011 at 6:47 am
E-mail 0036 Re: Rockefeller (they appear to have been privy to or mentioned in other e-mails and fund McKibben)…
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Yes lift up a rock and you find a banking family under it.
This type of “Education” is nothing new (I really wish I could find a better source than this dodgy website I quote below.)
NORMAN DODD: video (I can not view tit myself)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8605813744843314322
Steve B says:
November 26, 2011 at 11:29 pm
“These 3 groups earned $500 Million in 2010. Quite a bit short of $1.8B”
Your 3 examples earned an average of 166.66 million; to reach 1.8Bn you need 10.8 groups if we assume the sample was representative.
Here’s a list; but it’s not complete. The Carbon Trust and Clinton’s foundation are missing from it, for instance.
http://green.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_environmental_organizations
There’s hundreds and hundreds of them. Whoever added it all up and arrived at 1.8Bn Aussie Dollars does sound believable.
There are, of course tutorials on the Internet if you feel the need to start another one and get your snout in the trough.
http://www.rag.org.au/anyonecan/anyonecan.htm
“This book is an action guide to help you start your own environmental group and fix an environmental problem.”
Create an inefficiency and win big!
DirkH says:
“here are, of course tutorials on the Internet if you feel the need to start another one and get your snout in the trough.
http://www.rag.org.au/anyonecan/anyonecan.htm
”
And way down that page we find:
“Donations or sponsorship from companies. As well as cash donations these might include gifts for prizes, raffles, or the use of equipment. Sponsorship and donations can be found in the most unusual places, as well as through the usual places. Look amongst companies that may benefit from your campaign, but be scrupulous about the companies you receive money from!
Government grants. You may be able to get a grant to undertake your project. Or the group may be able to contract for government-instigated research which is in their field of expertise.”
Like making stuff up for the IPCC.
David Viner sent this email along to everyone at UEA:
http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0059.txt
What do you think would be the most effective
way to radicalise the UN agenda and protect the climate from our current economic
and political systems? There are plans for a team to work in USA on a parallel
campaign.
The project should begin by the end of the 1999.
Activism to radicalize the UN agenda. Well, it worked.
Oh, Jeff Id posted this upthread a little. I pointed it out a few days ago, too. Its from Dr. Viner, which makes the idea that these guys could possibly find any confirmation biases laughable at best.
One is left wondering what is in the remaining emails that they have to be held back, and who the target of this blackmail is.
More on David Viner and the British Council
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Generations with the most at stake
16 December 2009
http://www.publicservice.co.uk/feature_story.asp?id=13326
Dr David Viner, head of the British Council’s climate change programme, tells Alison Thomas why young people have such a vital role to play in negotiations designed to save the world.
…some of the brightest and beadiest eyes scrutinising the politicians belong to a global network of concerned young people, galvanised into action by the work of the British Council in some 60 countries.
…More than 100,000 young people are signed up to the council’s international climate champions network, choosing climate change champions in each nation and working to develop grassroots solutions and share them with others.
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British Council gets in on the climate act
Why is the British Council spending taxpayers’ money on the recruiting of 100,000 “international climate champions”, asks Christopher Booker
13 Feb 2010
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7231466/British-Council-gets-in-on-the-climate-act.html
1.8 Gigadollars! That would pay for one entire power station every two years somewhere in the world. Instead, it is wasted on a bunch of useless people!
Intro to weather derivatives…
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/optioninvestor/05/052505.asp#axzz1evxU44ce
It’s not a surprise to see a big business acting in this manner. I am not against big business, but I always remember that the only reason for any business to exist is to make money. They don’t exist to give people jobs, or produce food or fuel, or make cool computers. These are just side benefits of trying to make money. They also don’t exist to follow societal ethics or morality, or even act legally, but the latter might land you in prison which doesn’t help a business make money. The former two are only considerations if they hurt the bottom line. There are plenty of illegal and unethical businesses that make big money.
Small business has no power to manipulate government into passing laws favorable to them, but big business does, so it should be no surprise that they lobby Congress to change the laws to favor them since our elected representatives have put themselves in a position to do so. Business will do whatever is necessary to make money no matter if it is rational or not. If carbon trading will make a business lots of money, then carbon trading it is. Whether it hurts the overall economy is no matter.
With this in mind, and borrowing from Jefferson’s “a wall between church and state,” I say we need a wall between business and state, at least in the sense that business cannot buy the favor of lawmakers. And after all these Climategate revelations, I think we need to consider a wall between public science and state too. It seems that some publicly funded scientists have become government lobbyists promoting both their personal beliefs and their own financial gain.
Gail.
I actually worked for a national Patent Office. You have to have a very, very good reason to extend past the 17 years. (Usually it is only awarded to drugs, which take so long to get to market that the patents are worthless otherwise.)
The patent you cite (#3258500) is not a patent for Freon. It is a process patent. Anyone could make Freon at the time, provided they used another method. A catalyst patent might be worth something, but process patents rarely.
Companies like DuPont own loads and loads of patents worth effectively nothing. I know, I used to see dozens of theirs (surfactants mostly). It’s small beer for them, and it might slow their competitors down a little.
There is no way that patent was keeping anyone else from making Freon. And that still leaves the problem: why did DuPont’s competitors agree to the CFC ban if it was only helping DuPont?
We need a Chemical Rehab Society. For Freon, DDT, Alar, aspartame, and many more.
This looks like a “Pay for play”, i.e., WWF is paying scientists to write press releases:
#3107
http://dump.kurthbemis.com/climategate2/FOIA/mail/3107.txt
date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:13:31 -0400
from: “markham/dompka”
subject: Climate scenarios
to: “mike hulme”
“* Please refer to WWF just as WWF, since we have two different names. ”
“* In the first paragraph in the second column (the section on the last century), is it confusing to talk about the two periods of maximum warming? Critics often talk about the lack of explanation for no warming between 1940 and 1970 as a reason to disregard the warming trend. Maybe you can clarify, explain or leave out?”
“* Is there any space for a couple of blown-up quotes in the margin or somewehere? If so, I nominate these two – possibly paraphrased to be shortened in the second case:
1. From 3rd para. The year 1998 was probably the warmest…
2. From 5th para. Recent climate model experiments show that…”
“* Somewhere I’d like a stronger sentence/reference to possibly biodiversity, wildlife or species loss. As far as I can see, it only gets a very vague mention “”
“On contracts. I’m really sorry about the mess and will try to start sorting this out this morning when I get into work (you can call or e-mail me there). Just remind me though, this contract did not account for the publication, printing and distribution did it? WWF-UK seems to be confused about this and now I am too. Apologies again – maybe next time, I’ll pay the university overheads. Adam”
Gail Combs— in the dead of night the treasonous US Senate unanomously ( 97-3 ) abolished the BILL OF RIGHTS!