It just doesn’t get any better than this. The Occupy Wall Street Mob had a “Climate Justice Day” scheduled for today. I don’t think they figured on a “Nightmare on Wall Street” irony like this.
I notice Bill McKibben isn’t there. Strange how he talks a big game about climate and weather events becoming more extreme, but when the going gets tough… well you know. No mention of this comedic slap in the face by nature on the 350.org website.
Here’s the record statement from NOAA/NWS:
SXUS71 KOKX 300633 RER NYC RECORD EVENT REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY 0221 AM EDT SUN OCT 30 2011 ...RECORD DAILY MAXIMUM SNOWFALL SET AT CENTRAL PARK NY... A RECORD SNOWFALL OF 2.9 INCHES WAS SET AT CENTRAL PARK NY YESTERDAY...OCTOBER 29. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF TRACE SET IN 2002. ...RECORD OCTOBER SNOWFALL AMOUNT SET FOR CENTRAL PARK NY... CENTRAL PARK RECORDED 2.9 INCHES OF SNOWFALL ON OCTOBER 29 2011 SINCE SNOWFALL RECORDS BEGAN IN 1869...AN INCH OF SNOWFALL HAS NEVER BEEN RECORDED IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER. THE LAST TWO TIMES THAT MEASURABLE SNOW FELL IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER WAS...OCTOBER 21 1952 WITH 0.5 INCHES AND OCTOBER 30 1925 WITH 0.8 INCHES. THEREFORE...THIS BREAKS THE DAILY RECORD FOR SNOWFALL IN OCTOBER AND THE MOST SNOWFALL EVER RECORDED IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.
The irony, it b-b-b-burns:
This starts to get spooky.
Keep in mind…..
…it’s the liberal version of the TEA Party
Maybe there really is a ‘Gore effect’. Grant money, stat!
That’s what you get when you try to put words in Mother Nature’s mouth: a slap down.
The irony is delicious.
Pretty soon the Greens will be saying: “the existence of any climate of any kind at anytime is proof of man-made global warming”.
p.s. – I wonder if AGW’ers flog themselves at night before they go to bed? Just curious.
Was Al Gore in town?
They will report it as not conflicting with the global warming hypothesis. They have to. They MUST. They have no choice but to. Backing off could not possibly be good for AGW theory. Despite any evidence to the contrary…
Its got to be ridiculously tough for the protestors right now when they have not given themselves any wiggle room at all. No chance to second guess.
J2
Gore Effect strikes again
Does this prove that there really is a god and he/she/it just loves to torment warmists?
Heh-heh.
OTOH, if they knew history, they could claim this as their “Valley Forge,” but I don’t think they know their history or they wouldn’t be demanding that we adopt the failures of the past.
What is it with the ‘gore effect? Kinda bizarre
Record snow in NY in October, Curry disses the BEST report and the UN go to Durban. Some late frosts in Durban should give the warmers even more problems. Just wishing and hoping.
Strange how many snowfall records have been broken in many places in the last 15 years.
My sympathies are not for the pathetic squatters … they’re for the folks in such places as the Bershires who got over two feet of the heavy wet snow, with tree limbs and power lines down, who’ll now have to rough it for at least several days through no choice of their own.
It is justice… just not the kind of justice that the greens would want 😀
The OWS people should just declare climate victory and move on to the next issue.
When I first read this off to my wife she asked if I was on The Onion again!
🙂
Oh gee, and I thought it was just because I’ve been too busy to rake the leaves. Well, not quite true – I raked the back yard so I could run the lawn mower, then did the area where I put my permanent snow stake with a lower height, then used hedge clippers right where I put it, and finally put it. All that’s to minimize the daily error from reading the stake through out the winter.
I track snow depths each morning and the running sum (Snow Depth Days). It appears they’re useless as an indicator of climate change, but they can show seasonal patterns and provide a handy metric of how snowbound a winter is.
I hope I can finish finish last season’s data tonight…. See http://wermenh.com/sdd/index.html
Globull warming only happens from June thru Sept. So about next August it should be hot again. Doh! Now, please excuse me while I watch “Forbidden Planet” for the umpteenth time. Far more entertaining.
“Adash Daniel, 24, is a protester who had been at the park for three weeks. He had a sleeping bag and cot that he was going to set up, but changed his mind.
“I’m not much good to this movement if I’m shivering,” he said as he left the park.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/at-least-three-deaths-blamed-on-northeast-us-snowstorm/article2219079/
Shivering is an activity. Wouldn’t that make activists more active?
Robert Austin says:
October 30, 2011 at 2:16 pm
That was my first thought – maybe there is a God after all.
What exactly is your point in the ad hom on Bill McKibbon? I don’t thin k engaging in this kind of demonizing helps your cause at all.
REPLY: OWS didn’t have climate component until he showed up and told them “Wall Street is occupying the atmosphere”. There’s an old saying, “if you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. McKibben like the heat, not the cold apparently. Calling him on his lack of participation on “Climate Justice Day” is fair game. – Anthony
Back to the Xboxes at home.
“Climate Justice”… for once no doublespeak!
My second thought was: “sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh shadenfraud…”
Spelt deliberately without the final “e” and sung to the tune of ” I I I I I I like you very much”.
Is Ali boy passing through JFK on his yearly migration to warmer climates???
Last time, thinking that AGW still had the A attached to it, they went to Copenhagen, where the A had dropped and the warmists froze in one of the worst global snowstarms the northern hemisphere ever saw. Even Obama had to abandon Copenhagen so as to avoid the then impending snow storms in the US.
So, following Copenhagen’s triple wammy debacle, the warmists chose a warm place in Mexico for their next money-burning, CO2 spouting ego-trips. They went to Cancun, thinking that the cold would not get them. But it did and the weather there went cold and wintry. So, for the next one, the went even more summery than Cancun: They have chosen Durban in December. Any bets about the weather in Durban during December?
I will probably get creamed for this but I am troubled the way that a site devoted to discussing the problems with “climate change” insanity has morphed into just another corner of the conservative echo chamber. Yes, the turn of events in New York was ironic but the vitriol directed against people who, climate silliness, has some good points, points that many Americans agree with, is the kind of stuff that Red State and NRO are for.
It’s not just OWS — there were folks absolutely devoting to downplaying Hurricane Irene’s impact on the Northeast. Other sane climate scientists noticed this and were also bothered.
Listen, I know that it’s an uphill battle to overcome the regnant orthodoxy and I know that the other side has treated people like Anthony abysmally. But stuff like this only makes it easier for them to lump the folks here with the cranky right, which, until recently, would have been outrageously unfair.
REPLY: Please note the tags: humor, satire
If it said politics, you’d certainly have a point. Don’t you think it is funny that the day they are to have a rally on “climate justice” they get an all-time record breaking snowstorm.? -Anthony
Their mission statement clearly says they are political and have nothing to do with ‘climate’
Robert Austin says:
October 30, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Does this prove that there really is a god and he/she/it just loves to torment warmists?
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It proves that the Tea Party members prayed a lot and Mother Nature loves a good joke.
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Anthony – Get back to work on your paper!
We really need it before Durbin.
Hisownfool says:
October 30, 2011 at 4:34 pm tell me that you agree with the people in this video cause this is what the majority of OWS stand for the rest might be a little better educated but they can’t be much better
http://www.therightscoop.com/former-soviet-citizen-confronts-socialists-at-ows/
B-b-b-back – B-b-b-back – T-t-to – T-t-to – th-th-the – th-th-the – X-x-x-x-X-b-b-b-b-box – X-x-x-x-X-b-b-b-b-box – a-a-at h-h-h-home – a-a-at h-h-h-home!
It’s Mother Nature’s way of saying she doesn’t tolerate fools.
What, only 3 million without power? I wanted 5 million with the impact clustered around Edward Markey’s district in Mass. Keep the storms coming and keep watching the AMO chart for decline and in the presence of decline in the PDO. Stick em, freeze em, and to quote bumper stickers from the 70s–Ban Mining and Let the Bast#$@ Freeze in the Dark.
This is indeed “Climate Justice.” served cold….
Oh and I’ll have my Schadenfreude severed, on the rocks, stirred not shaken….
Served, dang it.
This is good news indeed – it is high time the warmists got a well-publicised slap-down like this. Delicious irony.
OK, we have to acknowledge the old, hackneyed mantra of “weather is not climate” – but it’s all grist to the mill, as far as I’m concerned.
Not withstanding, my sincere best wishes and commiserations go out to all those adversely affected by this tree snapper. I hope it melts soon and you get your power back on.
Condolences to all those bereaved.
@Hisownfoo
How can you equate pointing out the truth that Irene was not a hurricane when it made landfill with downplaying its significance? Truth is truth. A storm doesn’t have to be a hurricane to be be a serious situation, especially if it goes right over where a bunch of lemmings have congregated.
No giggle room either.
What is climate justice?
Look, I know everyone is ticked off at wall street billionaires, as if they didn’t exist they’d somehow have a job. I get it, human nature. But the cause sure did attract all the left wing wack jobs. Didn’t take long for that movement to loose focus. Mic check, mic check! WHAT THE HELL (what the hell), ARE WE (are we) DOING HERE? (doing here?)
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The warmists’ response was that there are more warm events than cold events. Some such nonsense to keep the paychecks flowing…
McKibben likes the heat, not the cold apparently.
Amazing all the extra snow made possible by the earth warming. Based on a straight line projection from historical records, it wont be long before we have 400+ days of snow a year.
What is not being taken into account is that thermographic readings show that it was the warmest snow to ever fall in October in NYC, with an unprecedented amount of latent heat existing inside the snow. Fortunately, a sample of the snow from close to Central Park was preserved, quickly being sent in a freezer pack to Boulder for analysis to see if some of the missing heat was present in the snow. Warm snow has long been predicted as proof of AGW.
…okay, now sarc off…
The saddest thing about this storm was the great number of very old trees that have been lost. My sister lives in Portland ME, and a 100 year old maple in front of her house was split in half by the heavy snow. That fact alone tells you how rare this snowstorm was, as trees don’t get that big and old if these kinds of storms are frequent.
Note the dates on this. Muller claims warming has not slowed, yet:
Climate-Change Debate Is Heating Up in Deep Freeze
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: February 10, 2010
WASHINGTON — As millions of people along the East Coast hole up in their snowbound homes, the two sides in the climate-change debate are seizing on the mounting drifts to bolster their arguments. Skeptics of global warming are using the record-setting snows to mock those who warn of dangerous human-driven climate change — this looks more like global cooling, they taunt.
Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
By Charles Onians
Monday, 20 March 2000
Britain’s winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives. However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”. “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
Yep…we got about 10 inches here in western New Hamphire. Nothing unusual for us. Just a nuisance. Don’t need my snow tires just yet, either.
BTW, I am totally HAPPY that the OWS idiots have fully embraced the CAGW climate science bandwagon! Please – MORE! And please, let Jim Hansen and Gavin Schmidt share a tent. PLEASE!
Yes, but it was rotten snow. And the rain was soggier than normal. Not to mention it was earlier… no wait…later…um…higher…lower…er…shorter…longer than the average. Er go, global warming.
in sydney last weak we had a hot day around 34 deg , the news media where saying global warming where all going to fry .by the way it has been cold ever since
I wish it would snow in Perth Australia; nothing but sand flies and sharks here. Last time I skied was 1982 when I lived in Seattle.
We hosted CHOGM on the weekend and not a word about CAGW from our PM Gillard.
[http://www.chogm2011.org/home]
Pete
Mother Nature has a sense of humor for sure.
She disrupted James Hansen’s “protest” on March 3, 2009, in Washington DC with an EXTREME below climatology snowstorm and highs in the twenties (the 20’s….three weeks from Spring).
Now she has disrupted this chicanery in Zuccotti Park with an historic storm that defies modern records.
Never in the history of rising CO2, has so much snow been recorded in Central Park, let alone one day as opposed to one month, in October. Granted, 2 inches might not seem to be alot, until you look at the record.
Then fly as the crow flies to Massachusetts to the north and look at the nearly 3 FEET totals.
October….before Halloween….you know the AMC Marathon of Jamie Lee Curtis times of things.
Considering the problem at hand….those tent whiners however…would be better pressed to stop their protests in the midst of a MAJOR and HISTORIC disaster and actually help their fellow New Englanders so that the babies in the subfreezing houses don’t die of hypothermia.
Right.
But….of course…in their cognitive dissonance world, things are heating up….so there is no problem.
Right. Bastards! Where is their honor??
What dumb *****s that we have to deal with today. Geeeez.
No wonder Mother Nature is mad.
And…to be honest…if she is that pissed off…then I understand her rage and allow her to do whatever she needs to do.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
R. Gates says:
October 30, 2011 at 7:06 pm
What is not being taken into account is that thermographic readings show that it was the warmest snow to ever fall in October in NYC, with an unprecedented amount of latent heat existing inside the snow. Fortunately, a sample of the snow from close to Central Park was preserved, quickly being sent in a freezer pack to Boulder for analysis to see if some of the missing heat was present in the snow. Warm snow has long been predicted as proof of AGW.
…okay, now sarc off…
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No.
Sarc…”.never on”. J
ust stupidity.
You can’t, R….you can NOT explain snow to the coastal plain in October next to the warm Atlantic.
This AIN’T DENVER dude. No upslope here.
Much harder…..MUCH HARDER here to produce snow [especially in motha ******* October I mean really dude]….considering wet bulbs and cooling aloft.
So climb out of your Denver and your Boulder ICAR bubble and let’s see if you are breathing afterwards.
Yeah….I thought so.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
I get the impression that Occupy is a meld of “community organizers” and communists.
And it’s been the earliest this kind of snow storm has hit New York since the Civil War? That would the the same time as the tail end of the Little Ice Age.
“Robert Austin says:
October 30, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Does this prove that there really is a god”
Monbiot clearly seems to think so. See
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/dec/02/cancun-climate-change-summit-monbiot
Cancún climate change summit: Is God determined to prevent a deal?
“Now He’s at it again. Last week, just before the resumption of last year’s failed climate talks, the UK recorded its lowest temperature for 25 years, just down the road from where I live. “
Latitude said October 30, 2011 at 2:06 pm:
Just as a Segway is a liberal version of a 4×4 pickup truck. Can show up many places, that are territory that’s well-traveled and long paved over, when the weather is accommodating. Goes whichever way that whomever is in charge tilts. Looks exciting in videos and pictures, not so much up close in person. Looks like it can really go somewhere, but really doesn’t get that far. Will eventually run out of energy, then take a long time to get charged up again. Makes for quite a status symbol, among a certain receptive audience. But can’t do any large or heavy moving, just shuffles people around.
Oh well, at least it beats actual physical effort to move your own self someplace you’d rather be.
😉
Wait, you’re serious? The saddest thing was the loss of some old trees? Isn’t that like a flea crying over the loss of a single hair from the weekly shave? Storms kill trees, they always have. Occasionally storms will come through that will take out your favorite tree. Finding this remarkable in the slightest makes me wonder if you’ve ever taken an astronomy class in your life.
Sorry for the snark. I just can’t imagine posting that with my name on it. I literally have no concept of the idea of being so introverted as a species that the loss of a tree registers on the mind.
I can’t help it but apparently whenever it is hot, “alarmists” mistake weather for climate – and when it’s too cold the same happens with “skeptics”. It was funny at the start but it’s not anymore.
Why is everyone busting on R. Gates comment? He’s been quite reasonable and measured in the last few months. I thought his /sarc comment was a decent enough attempt at humor. Not ROTFLOL but worthy of a smile. Respect humor, even if you’re on the wrong end of it. We won’t get through this unless we laugh.
Hey Gates, just think, the trees and faunas were a heck of a lot bigger when Earth had big dinosaurs. Trees and faunas got a bit smaller during the smaller mega-mammals. Everything living on terra firma is now even smaller. We need more CO2?
Nice to see that NOAA statement openly referring to 1952, about 60 years ago. And only a day or two ago, the good old AGW BBC were reporting that the current Bangkok floods were ‘the worst in 60 years’. It’s interesting to note how very often that 60-year figure crops up, considering that ‘all this is due to human-generated CO2 emissions’.
R. Gates saith: “…My sister lives in Portland ME, and a 100 year old maple in front of her house was split in half by the heavy snow. That fact alone tells you how rare this snowstorm was, as trees don’t get that big and old if these kinds of storms are frequent.”
True. I, for one, enjoyed your entire post and can find no fault in it.
Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
October 30, 2011 at 9:12 pm
And it’s been the earliest this kind of snow storm has hit New York since the Civil War? That would the the same time as the tail end of the Little Ice Age.
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My understanding is that is when they started keeping regular records – so who knows when the last time NYC had such a storm. Rather misleading of them to say “since the civil war” when that’s when the records start . . . .
C’mon people… the nicest comment I have seen, coming from R Gates…. Give the guy/girl a break. And old trees do have a very special place. I can relate to that. (From a persistently cool Cape Town… holding thumbs that it will blow over in the direction of Durban just at the right time..)
I feel bad for the cemetery when Gore passes away. Should form a nice glacier tomb.
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CNN said that up to 58cm had fallen in some areas. Is that right, or have they confused their units?
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The colder they are the better.
Hugh Pepper says:
October 30, 2011 at 3:37 pm
“ad hominem”,” demonizing” ? Losing your sense of proportion there aren’t you Hugh? I took is as gentle mocking of McKibben. If you want to see real ad homs you need to visit warming fundamentalist sites (PS thank you to the contributor who suggested “fundamentalist” recently).
My suspicion goggles are always on when I read R Gates comments, but in this case I think he made a totally reasonable comment, so why are people attacking him/her?
Four times snow has fallen this early in the US of A apparently (I assume on east coast?), can anyone shed light on how this compares and when it previously snowed in October?
Anthony, I wasn’t referring to your post, I was referring to the comments.
It is nice to take the piss out of the warmists when stuff like this occurs, but I am some what averse to cold as a motor cyclist in southern Australia.
The climate per se has been some what inclement of late, rather unusually cool to bloody cold, with the odd nice warm to hot day.
What you are copping up in the north, we are getting a tad of it also. This cycle to cold may be a harbinger of worse to come if old Sol decides to stay on holidays for an extended period.
Cold is for penguins, polar bears, seals and Eskimos, not for cranky old motorcyclists.
Pesky snow!
It’s a travesty how climate disruption disrupts our important CAGW conferences …Copenhagen, Cancun, and now CLIMATE JUSTICE DAY…
Is there no justice?
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Do I detect climate warming cynicism in R Gates comment. Welcome to the real world. I also regret the loss of venerable trees – we need them and the bigger the better, for all sorts of reasons not just ecologically but also aesthetically.
PS Although I say the bigger the better, as a bonsai enthusiast the little ones often have greater aesthetic impact.
Pete of Perth says:
October 30, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I wish it would snow in Perth Australia; nothing but sand flies and sharks here. Last time I skied was 1982 when I lived in Seattle.
We hosted CHOGM on the weekend and not a word about CAGW from our PM Gillard.
[http://www.chogm2011.org/home]
Pete
—————————\Pete what you have missed is this gem!
far from Not mentioning it, the fools plan to make it a headline event
agreement by heads of government…is in the title doc
Oh damn its a PDF and I dont know how to get the link onto this page…
the top 2 starting rcs tout CC as of huge import and its to mentioned frequently.
JuLIARS ??apponted eminent persons group, seems to be like soteros best mates advisory crowd.
BAD NEWS for citizens.
Hilarious isn’t it?
An added piece of ‘GOOD NEWS’!:-
This THUNDERSNOW in NE USA was explicitly predicted to that day from 30days ahead by us at WeatherAction using our Solar Lunar Action Technique – nothing to do with CO2!
See this link: http://twitpic.com/7844m5 and a brill vid of Jim Cantore getting scared of thundersnow http://wxch.nl/s4541S
Thanks Piers Corbyn
Hilarious isn’t it?!
AND EXTRA GOOD NEWS
We at WeatherAction forecast this heavy THUNDERSNOW in NE USA to the day from 30days ahead using our Solar-Lunar-Action-Technique – nothing to do with CO2! http://twitpic.com/7844m5
Also see this Top VID of Jim Cantore getting freaked out by thundersnow http://wxch.nl/s4541S
Thanks
Piers Corbyn
For those of us who grew up climbing trees, picnicking in their shade, the loss of a tree is sad. That being said, a 100 year old tree isn’t that old, and must have started growing shortly after the folks New England quit cutting down every hardwood they could find to build ships and furniture, as well as support the war effort – pick one (prior to 1900).
ferd berple says:
October 30, 2011 at 7:01 pm
……………Amazing all the extra snow made possible by the earth warming. Based on a straight line projection from historical records, it wont be long before we have 400+ days of snow a year.
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Darn it Ferd, now I have to clean the tea off my screen again.
What a great way to high light the idiocy of projecting a straight line into infinity!
R. Gates says:
October 30, 2011 at 7:06 pm
“The saddest thing about this storm was the great number of very old trees that have been lost. My sister lives in Portland ME, and a 100 year old maple in front of her house was split in half by the heavy snow.”
Not sad for all the stuff that’s quickly going to grow in place of where that single tree was hogging up all the sunlight, water, and nutrients. In a normal forest that wouldn’t have happened because as the canopy sags branches from adjacent trees push against each other and the downward force gets redistributed sideways. It’s sad that this particular maple was anthropogenically deprived of the strength in numbers it gets from being a member of a natural ecosystem. I think cultivated lawns ought to outlawed. So there.
misterjohnqpublic says:
October 30, 2011 at 2:10 pm
p.s. – I wonder if AGW’ers flog themselves at night before they go to bed? Just curious.
No. They used to read their own propaganda.
Now they read about the real world.
Flogging was the version of the pre-mass media times.
Can we get past the damned trees and get on with how unprepared we have become to snow and ice? Global warming hysteria is one of the reasons our brains have shriveled and become lulled to the necessity of being prepared for bad weather, be it cold or hot, wet or dry.
This has happened everywhere. Even in Pendleton, Oregon (very much a western conservative town) the use of wood burning stoves is discouraged and even banned from burning if there is another heat source. Many households have thus turned away from having this “works in all kinds of weather” just-in-case heat source. And is many cases, it isn’t even a choice. The house I rent has no such stove and is entirely dependent on electricity for heat.
Maybe it’s time we re-visited a wise old grandmother, someone who lived through all kinds of hot, cold, dry, and wet conditions. Be prepared for weather catastrophy. It is your own responsibility. Not that of your elected officials. Maybe deaths of people (not the damned trees) could have been avoided.
Kasuha says:
October 30, 2011 at 11:15 pm
I can’t help it but apparently whenever it is hot, “alarmists” mistake weather for climate – and when it’s too cold the same happens with “skeptics”. It was funny at the start but it’s not anymore.
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Skeptics are just having a good laugh at Mother Nature’s timing. WE KNOW that weather is not climate. However it is really hard not to rub Hansen and Mann’s faces in this early snow given the years of bovine excrement throw at us. At least the snow is clean.
Cecil Coupe says:
October 30, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Why is everyone busting on R. Gates comment?
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I’m not. I thought it was a great comment and I agree about the trees. I love old trees and hated when “Road Improvements” took down 100 – 300 year old specimens in the various towns I lived in.
Yes I also understand the problem humans have with snow too. When I lived in town in northern NY state, I would grab my snow shovel and put on my cross country skis and go help the elderly neighbors dig out. (I was worried about heart attacks)
I do not see both concerns as being mutually exclusive.
R. Gates @ 7.06 on the 30th:
It IS sad about the tree; I’m sorry about that maple. I’m always very upset when a beautiful old tree goes, for whatever reason. I know there are other tragedies to cope with but a big beautiful old tree has a ‘presence’ which is hard to explain to some people (as do mountains have a presence). They feel like special friends. I also feel the same about my old friend ‘Orion’ in the night sky; one good thing about the Autumn is his reappearance for the winter. (When we lived Down Under for a while I had to stand partly upside down to see him properly!).
I’ve planted many trees in my time but it takes so long to produce a really sturdy large specimen.
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Piers Corbyn (@Piers_Corbyn) says:
October 31, 2011 at 4:35 am
Hilarious isn’t it?!
AND EXTRA GOOD NEWS
We at WeatherAction forecast this heavy THUNDERSNOW in NE USA to the day from 30days ahead using our Solar-Lunar-Action-Technique – nothing to do with CO2! http://twitpic.com/7844m5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WOW
Now why doesn’t the New York Times/ Wall Street Gerbil print THAT story????
REPLY: Probably because, like the E-Cat Cold fusion thing, Piers doesn’t allow any inspection. – Anthony
If this was literature, this would be poetic justice. I suppose that applies to the theater of the absurd as well as it does literature.
Do they have a definition of climate justice anywhere, or is it just one of those things where if you have to ask,
1) you don’t get it
2) and they know you don’t belong there.
It’s kind of like the “pod people.” Start asking too many questions and the antenna come out.
Pamela Gray says:
October 31, 2011 at 6:27 am
Can we get past the damned trees and get on with how unprepared we have become to snow and ice? ….
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Living up north I always carried a bags of sand, shovel ski-mobile suit, food and water. My friends laughed until we got snowed in at work and my bags of sand and shovel got the semi truck stuck across the driveway out of the way.
I agree about the wood stove. In northern MA we had electric heat and a wood stove. We set the electric heat at 40F to prevent the pipes from freezing if the stove went out and heated with the stove.
The really nice thing about a wood stove is it is great for cooking too. I made many of our meals, soups, stews, sauces on that stove.
Now we have a heat pump and I HATE it. I want my wood stove back….. (We have a kerosene heater and coleman stove and a generator for the well as back up)
The cold should at least help to keep the smell down.
Hisownfool:
Welcome to WUWT. Feel free to share your opinions, but be prepared to back them up with hard scientific data. The connection between Hurricane Irene and anthropogenic global warming is a case in point. Irene made landfall as a strong tropical storm: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/27/hurricane-irene-not-packing-much-of-a-punch/. That means we haven’t had a hurricane make landfall in the US since 2008. A little research of hurricane trends (available in articles at this very website) will convince you there is no connection between CO2 emissions and hurricane / tropical storm activity. The northeast was simply well overdue for a hurricane / tropical storm.
Know why those ‘sane climate scientists’ were really bothered? Two reasons: 1) hard scientific data doesn’t support a connection between burning fossil fuels and the once or twice in a lifetime tropical storm that hits the northeast, and 2) people like you can get hard scientific data at sites like this one and see for yourselves.
Read, learn, and enjoy! And yes, we engage in a little more schadenfreude than we probably should. It’s just so hard to resist when those ‘sane climate scientists’ act as their own straight men.
Ralph says:
October 31, 2011 at 2:31 am
> CNN said that up to 58cm had fallen in some areas. Is that right, or have they confused their units?
Lessee, that’s 22.8″. Concord NH the Official NWS reading was 22″. The hills in the southeastern NH had some 30″ (76 cm). Other states had major amounts too. I’m just north of Concord, and was too busy digging into Rossi background to properly measure snow fall, but we had 15″ at midnight and in the morning, there was a fair amount of compaction. (It was pretty fluffy for moist snow, dryer snow would actually have been less deep in some areas!)
One reason for the depth was a good feed of tropical moisture left over from TS Rina.
This storm has completely blown away many records for the whole month throughout the affected area. Only one November in Concord’s history had more than this October.
Several coworkers still don’t have power and probably won’t for a few days. In terms of power loss, this is the 3rd worst, #1 and #2 are an ice storm a few years ago and a wind storm last February.
Maybe if puny mortals get all political with Mother Nature, she’ll do it right back to them.
Repeat after me, “October Surprise.”
Jeremy says:
October 30, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Clearly you’ve never climbed a 100 year old maple tree in your front yard on a fall day or during a partial solar eclipse. Pity.
We had a ggod two feet in Southern New Hampshire, right on the Massachusetts border. As Rick Werme (2:21 AM) says, there was a good deal of compaction. The ground beneath was still warm, and where rocks poke up in my pasture there were dents in the smoothe sweep of snow, as the rocks were warmer than the “grassy surfaces.” I delyed snowblowing, which was a big mistake, as air temperatures rose to near fifty, which made the top of the snow sag as well. The snow didn’t “blow,” and instead came out of the blower like a white stream of milk. The blower would ride up over the snow, and then I’d have to back up and try again. The first swipe was hardest; after that I only took around eight inch slice of snow with my thirty inch blower. It took me four hours to do a long drive I can do in an hour, after a foot and a half of January powder.
Tree damage wasn’t too bad, but we were without power for 32 hours, and without internet for 42. I sure do hate not being able to check weather sites in a storm.
To our south, in Massachusetts, they had less snow but it was warmer and the snow stuck to trees better, and also they had more leaves on their trees, and some places may not get their power back until the end of the week.
Regarding the sad loss of the Gates Family Maple: Sugar Maple trees hit their prime between sixty and eighty years old. After that the heartwood can tend to get a bit punky. The ones most prone to rot are the ones with more than one major trunk. I think water runs down into the crotch of the forks, and causes weakness. I had a fairly big one in my barnyard “get old,” when it was only sixty, and it has lost three out of four trunks in three years, (2 to Irene.) The really massive maples that live to two hundred tend to have single trunks
I note the following blog post from Jeff Masters at Weather Underground (wunderground.com):
“Early season snowfalls and climate change
Naturally, the occurrence of a record early-season snow storm will lead to cries of “what happened to global warming?” Global warming theory does predict that we should see a decrease in early-season and late season snow as the climate warms, since it will not be cold enough to snow. However, the climate models also predict that we may see an increase in the intensity of the strongest winter storms, like the Nor’easter that dumped the record October snows over the Northeast on Saturday, and it is important to realize that snow is not the same thing as cold. Temperatures in the Northeast U.S. were quite cold on Saturday, but no observing station there broke a record for coldest temperature for the day on October 29, according to the National Climatic Data Center. Our climate is still cold enough in October to give us the occasional early-season record snowstorm.”
I would have made no comment at all if there had not been an objection to conservative comment. This is a scientific website but is there anyone without weather?
Some people want to ignore the political side of climate change and to limit or omit comments from conservatives and in doing so limit the argument and not identify the force behind the efforts to change how we live. Research in science does not exist in a bubble or without argument. There is political influence in climate change theory and as such involves everyone. In a free society such as ours or a dictatorship there has got to be public support or censorship or such fear that dialogue ceases.
Pope Pius X1 quote: “Communism teaches and seeks two objectives: unrelenting class warfare and the complete eradication of private ownership”
The two words climate justice makes no sense when put together, I looked it up and it is liberal speak for redistribution of wealth and that is where politics clicks in.
In other words climate justice is defined by communism, the central control of the world’s people and resources.
Climate justice is a call to ignore free enterprise and trade, to take hard earned money and resources from successful nations and distribute to other nations in the name of fairness and equality through force. The justification is by something that is not proven and is not happening and is caused by the ever changing name climate change. And of course whoever has the power to decide has dictatorial power.
The occupy Wall Street crowd is flush with demands of rights to be paid for by someone else. The rights of those others, who are expected to pay, such as the individuals who must walk through the paid, the indignant, self-righteous, and unwashed and the clutter to get to work does not matter. While they have a right to demonstrate within the law they have no right to create or destroy rights.
.Perhaps the record snow in Central Park is only a prelude to more snow and maybe Gore is not the only one being taught a lesson by the nonpolitical and un-obliging climate but as Watts said there is humor in the snowfall on that day. That makes the article worth printing.
I’ve ordered snow chains for my Segway.
Was anyone else a touch bit annoyed (maybe bewildered) by the press calling this a “winter storm”. It is easy to be accurate and call it a fall storm or just and October snow fall etc, but a winter storm it was not.
Climate? Just ice.
Yeah, These OWS people are the salt of the Earth.
“Woman charged with pimping teen recruited at Occupy NH rally”
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111028/NEWS03/710289961
My thesis is that the reduced UV has let the atmosphere become less tall, resulting in a shorter path for heat to leave the planet and colder air out the polar vortex(es) so we ought to have one heck of a nice slide into multi-year colder winters. So far it has held up. About another 1/4 century of it to come, IMHO, so this “ride” will have “legs” for a loooong time. Mr. Gore: Prepare to enter history as one of the great jokes of the era. Gotta love it… We’re also getting an ‘up close and personal’ look at the ability of emotion and pre-formed prejudice to stand up in the face of facts, reality, and evidence. It ought to make a marvy study in abnormal psychology. Mass delusion writ large.
So yes, I’ll take my Schadenfreude served cold. Very cold. On ice even. “On the rocks”, neither stirred, nor shaken. Just “as it is”… Sipped neatly by the fire of truth…
thedudeabides says:
October 31, 2011 at 11:12 am
“I note the following blog post from Jeff Masters at Weather Underground (wunderground.com):”
Maybe Jeff needs to see this:
http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/1900_1949.htm
http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/1950_1974.htm
http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/1975_1999.htm
I have picked out some notable weather events (see below), some of which I experienced myself, but stopped as there were too many. Unfortunately I cannot assume that the content in the links or the extracts below are self evident so I want to know how we are to judge when the effects of CC will show itself above the noise and vagaries of the weather as it is?
1950 (February):
1. One of the WETTEST Februarys across England & Wales. Using the EWP series, it ranks in the ‘top-5’ of such months.
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1952 (15th/16th August): THE LYNMOUTH DISASTROUS FLOODS
After frequent heavy rainfall had over the previous couple of weeks saturated the hinterland of Exmoor above Lynton and Lynmouth, another heavy and persistent rainfall event started around midday on the 15th and lasted for over 21 hours, with estimated rainfalls of over 11 inches (~275mm): Approximately 135mm (out of a total of 228.6mm) is thought to have fallen in just 5 hours at the gauge at Longstone Barrow, on Exmoor.
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1953 (31st January/1st February): THE NORTH SEA STORM SURGE (UK-EAST COAST FLOODS: LOW COUNTRIES MAJOR DISASTER)
A northerly severe gale / violent storm (mean speeds up to 70 knots / 80 mph, with gusts in exposed areas in excess of 100 knots / 115 mph) developed as a depression (which had formed near the Azores) deepened as it moved east-northeast just to the north of Scotland (between Fair Isle and south Shetland 00UTC and 06UTC on the 31st January), then, still deepening, turned & accelerated southeastwards across the North Sea, making landfall in the Elbe-Weser estuary in NW Germany late evening of the 31st. As a result of the storm, the ferry ‘Princess Victoria’ foundered during a crossing of the Irish Sea, with the loss of 132 souls. Much damage (loss of timber) was done to afforested areas in Scotland too.
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1954 (Annual):
1. HIGHEST RAINFALL (UK) in any one calendar year known: 6527 mm at Sprinkling Tarn, Cumbria (was Cumberland).
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1955 (May):
1. On the 17th May 1955, the heaviest SNOWFALL in London in May for about 100 years,
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1958 (January): RECORD HIGH UK MID-WINTER TEMPERATURE
1. At Aber (Gwynedd/N.Wales), a MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE of 18.3degC was recorded on the 27th – the (equal) highest known for the UK (and Wales) for January. (see also 1971 & 2003).
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1958 (5th September): HEAVIEST HAILSTONE
1. What is thought to be the heaviest recorded hailstone to fall in the U.K. fell at Horsham, Sussex. 141g (5 oz) is usually listed with diameters of up to 6cm. Regarded as one of the most violent hailstorms in the modern day record and accompanied by a tornado.
1974/75 (Winter):
1.It was the 2nd MILDEST winter in England and Wales since 1869, and notably SNOWLESS
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1975 (June):
1. SNOW and SLEET occurred in June as far south as the London area during the first few days of June 1975 (sleet as far south as Portsmouth). (also noted on 12th Jun 1791). The snow melted away almost immediately, except over the higher parts of central and northern England. This is thought to be the first time since July 1888, that snow has been reported so widely so far south in summer. More than 10 cm of FRESH SNOW over the highlands of Scotland. SNOW (circa 2.5cm/1 inch) stops play (subsequently abandoned) at a CRICKET MATCH [ Derbyshire v. Lancashire ] at Buxton, Derbyshire on the 2nd. (some GPE, Manley)
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1975 (14th August): THE HAMPSTEAD STORM
A very localised, but exceptional heavy convective storm led to rainfall of some 170mm in approximately 2.5 hours. It occurred during a notable heat-wave, and is thought to be the highest intensity of rainfall in 100 years.
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1975/76 (Winter):
1. For England and Wales (EWR), it was one of the six DRIEST winters in the previous 100 years, and the third consecutive season with less rain than usual: summer and autumn 1975 were also dry.
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1975/1976 (two-year drought):
1. The famous DROUGHT of 1975/76 was memorable for its severity over most of the British Isles, and also for its exceptional persistence. It produced the highest values for a drought index for south-east England in three hundred years. Not since 1749/50 had a period from one summer to the following spring been so dry in southern Britain.
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1976 (January):
1. The GALE late on the 2nd (into the 3rd) in 1976 was one of the most severe to affect the British Isles in the twentieth century.
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1976 (Summer):
1. It was easily the DRIEST, SUNNIEST and WARMEST summer (June/July/August) in the 20th century (at this date, but see 1995 – which is now regarded as the driest). Only a few places registered more than half their average summer rainfall. In the CET record, it was the WARMEST summer in that series.
2. It was the WARMEST summer in the Aberdeen area since at least 1864.
3. It was the DRIEST summer since 1868 in Glasgow.
4. Probably the HOTTEST summer for over three centuries.
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1976 (September+October):
1. For England and Wales as a whole (EWR), it was the WETTEST such spell in the entire record … back to 1727.
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1978 (18th/19th February): BLIZZARD/HEAVY SNOWFALL OVER SOUTHWESTERN BRITAIN.
1. Ranking alongside the worst snowstorms of the century, particularly that of December 1927, this SEVERE BLIZZARD affected southwestern England, parts of the SW Midlands and much of south and mid-Wales
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1978 (9th May): LARGE DIURNAL RANGE
1. Large diurnal range: 29 C (52.2 F), from -7 C (19.4 F) to 22 C (71.6 F) at Tummel Bridge (Tayside) on 9 May 1978. (SEE ALSO 1936/AUGUST & 1995/DECEMBER)
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1978 (Autumn):
1. For England and Wales as a whole, the DRIEST autumn for at least 150 years
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1979 (13th/14th August): THE FASTNET STORM
This poorly forecast storm approached southwestern waters just as over 300 yachts were about to approach and round the Fastnet Rock (off SW Ireland) on a race out of Cowes on the Isle of Wight.
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1980 (November):
1. SNOW lay in Jersey from the 5th to 7th with 8cm at St. Helier, an event thought to be without parallel for the time of year in the Channel Islands.
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1981 (Annual):EXCEPTIONAL TORNADO NUMBERS (UK)
An exceptional year for TORNADO outbreaks: total for the year 150 (84 definite & 66 probable, mostly in two outbreaks in October & November),
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1982 (9th/10th January): COLDEST NIGHT IN ENGLAND (KNOWN RECORD) COLDEST WHOLE U.K. 20TH CENTURY
1. With a morning minimum temperature of -26.1degC, this reading from Newport, Shropshire, represents the lowest night minimum temperature for England known. On the same night, Braemar, Aberdeenshire in Scotland equalled the lowest all-UK temperature of -27.2degC, previously set in 1895.
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1986 (20th March): HIGHEST GUST .. ANY STATION IN U.K.
The Cairn Gorm automatic station, at an altitude of 1074m, recorded a gust of 150 knots (173 mph), beating its own previous record for the U.K. set in 1967.
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1987 (evening 15th/morning 16th October): THE GREAT OCTOBER STORM (AN ‘ENGLISH’ HURRICANE!)
After a wet period, and when trees were still in full leaf, an explosively deepening storm moving northeastwards from the Bay of Biscay towards the central North Sea, produced winds of well over 100 mph across the SE part of England after midnight 16th – not out of ordinary for northern Britain, but unprecedented in the modern record for this populated area of the U.K.
jorga ka
You said you can’t find anything to question in R Gates statement. Allow me.
“100 year old maple in front of her house was split in half by the heavy snow. That fact alone tells you how rare this snowstorm was, as trees don’t get that big and old if these kinds of storms are frequent.”
One can’t draw a simple inference that an event is unprecendented because a tree that is a 100 years old came down in a storm. It is entirely possible that the fact it was so big was the primary contributor to it coming down. Years ago when a wind storm came through Hastings Minnesota, hundreds of trees were uprooted. The majority of them were some of the biggest, healthiest ones. The reason? They had more sail area for the wind to act on. The same could hold true for grandma’s maple. A smaller, younger tree would not collect the same amount of weight in snow as a healthy 100 year old one.
1846 – USA: The Donner Party Tragedy occurred as barely half of the 87 pioneers trapped in heavy early season snows in the Sierra Mountains survived.
1887 – USA: Weather records have been kept at Charlotte, North Carolina, since 1878. The only snow ever to occur there in October happened on this date.
1991 – USA: “Halloween Mega Storm” strikes the Upper Midwest. Minnesota endured full blizzard conditions with winds gusting as high as 50 mph. Duluth picked up 37 inches of snow.
All on October 31.
NO JUSTICE – NO CLIMATE!!!
Disko Troop said on October 31, 2011 at 11:27 am:
Let us know when you get the snowplow mounted on the front, okay?
Anthony, I was delighted to see the extreme unseasonal weather in the northeast., This blizzard helps make the case for global warming. Global warming is the weather, EXTREME weather, hot, cold, wet , dry, weather on the rampage, gales gone wild, weather on steroids – HEAT ENERGY. Follow the energy. You folks are confused by heat. You tend to think of heat as a temperature recording. But heat is energy. Heat energy drives the weather. Heat energy is an equal opportunity provider of weather generating blizzards as well as droughts. Extreme weather is marked by two conditions – an enormous amount of energy present and terrible human suffering. All that digging! It snows if the conditions are right. Anthony should know this stuff, He’s a weatherman. How does it go? A cold air mass pushes down from, is drawn down from, the arctic, pushing a vast warm, water laden air mass skyward. Air mass loses heat, water vapor condenses into drops, rises higher, loses more heat, turns into ice, falls as snow through now cold air layers below, no melting, lands in my old play ground Central Park. When a cold weather event comes along, deniers triumphantly trumpet, “Where’s your global warming now, heh?” Extreme cold events are offset by extreme warm events with a slight nod toward warm. Some years it’s just the opposite, the nod goes to cool. Up and down the line wavers over the wears until a slight upward trend is noted, an increase of one or two degrees. Don’t be fooled by that increase. It reflects the energy in the various systems rather than a temperature recording. Follow the energy. Here’s my theory summed up in this weather equation;
CO2+H2O(nature) + CO2(man) = WEATHER form mild to intense to EXTREME.
“If you cannot refute, you must not dispute” FXF
I think McKibben is actually playing Ring Around the White House over the proposed oil sands pipeline.
He has a post on Huff Post about it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mckibben/surround-the-white-house-keystone_b_1064760.html
“FXF” seems really wrapped up in his emotional blankey. Lots of ENERGY in his presentation, content not so much…
Maybe he could look just 4 comments up from his and find that this weather was not at all out of the ordinary. Maybe, if he tried really really hard, he could learn about “1800 and froze to death” also known as the “Year without a summer” when is snowed in SUMMER in New England.
Then he would realize that snow in October, while completely out of bounds for the Global Warming meme is quite in line with “weather as usual”. No warming. Nada, not a bit. Snow does not come from warming, it comes from cooling water vapor below the freeze point and dumping that “Heat of Fusion” to space in the tops of clouds. A cooling event.
But I don’t hold out much hope for FXF. He’s too full of… of… of ‘himself’ to bother with the reality of heat flows, of history, or of the reality of a very cold snowy October not being at all what Global Warming promised….
Francis, the “Hot causes cold” twist on the truth is just a case of “this dog won’t hunt”. So you all just feel free to try selling that load of Felgercarb as much as you can. Joe and Jane Sixpack are just going to sit back and have a really good laugh at you… right after they get done shoveling the walk and cleaning up the downed trees.
Perhaps Anthony can offer a line of “Global Warming Thermal Underwear” and snow shovels for use while shoveling all the… the… the Global Warming some folks are spreading around 😉
Nor would you if such “inspection” destroyed the confidential aspect of your livlihood and all the money you poured into the venture. But time will tell; time will tell. (Or are you so confident that peer review, as you report and have experienced yourself in “THe BEST whopper ever” would verify without seriously compromising Rossi’s invention? Whatever your answer, inspection isn’t necessary before commercialization, as a lot of other products with proprietary content exist as examples.)
@E.M.
“Perhaps Anthony can offer a line of “Global Warming Thermal Underwear” […]”
Brilliant!
Anthony take note. I’m sure it will be a hot item this season.
It didn’t take long for the MSM spin machine to kick into high gear …
Today MSM are reporting: “Northeast snooooooooow storrrrrrrrrrmmmm … step right up, read all about it! Northeast snoooooooowwwwww storrrrrrrmmmmm …. due to endddddlessssssss gloooooballlllllll warrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmming!
Leon Brozyna – Thanks for your concern.
Power came back on at dinner last night [Monday] and the internet this morning. The new chainsaw got well broken in, and we are now well supplied with wood for the rest of the winter with lots more laying around by the sides of the road to keep wood burning people in town well supplied. Still lots of folks around town without power, but New Englanders are holding up well.
The kiddies provided a classic photo: Halloween snow-man with jack-o-lantern head and Santa Clause hat to greet the trick-or-treaters Monday.
http://thecoralinememe.net/2011/11/01/cognative-dissonance-halloween-postponed-due-to-snow/#more-374
E.M.S.There are two definitions of heat: “1 n Heat is energy capable of being transmitted through fluid media (carbon dioxide, water vapor, methane) by convection (also by conduction and radiation) , “warm air rises.” (Remember that phrase from your highschool physics class on the weather and the transfer of heat?) 2. Heat is a temperature recording.”
They are not the same, you cannot measure heat energy with a thermometer. For example, back in that physics class, the instructor pours one pot of 70 degree water into anothe pot also at 70 degrees. He then asks, “How much heat is now present?” Someone says, “Still 70 degrees, another says 140 degrees.” When he stops laughing, he says he doesn’t want to know how hot or cold the water is, he wants to know how much heat energy is present. He tells his students the amount of energy has doubled. The same demonstration operates with air masses in the atmosphere. Man’s output of CO2 , millions and millions of tons, mixing with nature’s output, millions and millions of tons of carbon dioxide and water vapor.. Energy drives the weather, hot, cold, wet,dry. Global warming is the weather, EXTREME weather.
Here in the Boston area, we got a lot of heavy wet snow on Halloween. Up till then, it was unseasonably warm. We didn’t turn the heat on in our house until a day or two before the storm — this is at least two weeks later in the month than usual.
Today (Nov. 1) it is unseasonably warm again — shirtsleeve weather.
Most trees still have their leaves. The reason, according to local meteorologists, is that the nights are staying warmer. Cold nights are needed to produce the calendar-perfect autumn colors that we expect here. The leaves are drying out and curling in on themselves, slowly turning brown.
All this suggests to me that there might be some truth to what the climate change modelers have been predicting: that in many regions in the middle latitudes, global warming will lead to increased precipitation – which means, that in places where it is still cold enough to snow, there will be more snow than before. A warmer atmosphere holds more moisture.
I hope the trees drop their leaves in time for spring.
Again mixing up weather and climate, on purpose. Nobody is argueing that snowfall is impossible in a landclimate during a global warming trend. You can get even more snow per occasion because of the higher dew-point levels in the atmosphere.
In september we had this mixing up of weather news and climate news for the Alps: record high average temperatures for September over there and an exceptional warm August as well. This long lasting warm period of two months (and prolongating in Octobre) was cut in two pieces by one day of snow, snow that melted away within two days except at the glacieers, but that very one day with the snow-event was picked for a main item on this website. A weather event, however the climate news from the Alps (Austria and Switzerland) never reaches the emerging newspages here on WUWT.
Guess how come?????