How long before somebody blames it on global warming? Who will be first? Romm? McKibben? AP Science writer Seth Borenstein?, some clueless politician?
New York has received measurable snow before Halloween only 3 times since 1869. These events were never more than one inch. If the forecast holds, this would be the earliest 1″ snowfall in New York City since the Civil War.
Here’s NOAA’s snowfall forecast map for the area:
And the warning is out:
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY 855 PM EDT FRI OCT 28 2011 ...A MAJOR EARLY SEASON SNOWSTORM FOR THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...INTERIOR SOUTHWEST CONNECTICUT...AND NORTHEASTERN NEW JERSEY... NJZ002-NYZ067-068-291000- /O.CON.KOKX.WS.W.0008.111029T1200Z-111030T0600Z/ WESTERN PASSAIC-ORANGE-PUTNAM- 855 PM EDT FRI OCT 28 2011 ...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 8 AM SATURDAY TO 2 AM EDT SUNDAY... * LOCATIONS...ORANGE AND PUTNAM COUNTIES. * HAZARD TYPES...HEAVY WET SNOW. * ACCUMULATIONS...8 TO 12 INCHES OF SNOW...HIGHEST AMOUNTS ACROSS HIGHER ELEVATIONS. * WINDS...NORTHEAST 15 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 35 MPH. HIGHEST GUSTS WILL BE SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. * TEMPERATURES...IN THE LOWER TO MID 30S. * VISIBILITIES...LESS THAN 1/2 MILE AT TIMES. * TIMING...LIGHT SNOW WILL BEGIN AFTER DAYBREAK SATURDAY...THEN BECOME MODERATE TO HEAVY IN INTENSITY LATE SATURDAY AFTERNOON INTO SATURDAY EVENING. THE SNOW WILL THEN TAPER OFF LATER SATURDAY NIGHT. * IMPACTS...WIDESPREAD HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS DUE TO REDUCED VISIBILITIES AND SNOW COVERED ROADS. THE COMBINATION OF STRONG WINDS AND HEAVY WET SNOW WILL RESULT IN DOWNED TREES...TREE LIMBS AND POWER LINES. THE DAMAGE COULD BE QUITE EXTENSIVE WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR AN AREA OF WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE FORECAST THAT WILL MAKE TRAVEL DANGEROUS. ONLY TRAVEL IN AN EMERGENCY. IF YOU MUST TRAVEL...KEEP AN EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD... AND WATER IN YOUR VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY 855 PM EDT FRI OCT 28 2011 ...A MAJOR EARLY SEASON SNOWSTORM FOR THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...INTERIOR SOUTHWEST CONNECTICUT...AND NORTHEASTERN NEW JERSEY... NJZ002-NYZ067-068-291000- /O.CON.KOKX.WS.W.0008.111029T1200Z-111030T0600Z/ WESTERN PASSAIC-ORANGE-PUTNAM- 855 PM EDT FRI OCT 28 2011 ...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 8 AM SATURDAY TO 2 AM EDT SUNDAY... * LOCATIONS...ORANGE AND PUTNAM COUNTIES. * HAZARD TYPES...HEAVY WET SNOW. * ACCUMULATIONS...8 TO 12 INCHES OF SNOW...HIGHEST AMOUNTS ACROSS HIGHER ELEVATIONS. * WINDS...NORTHEAST 15 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 35 MPH. HIGHEST GUSTS WILL BE SATURDAY EVENING THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. * TEMPERATURES...IN THE LOWER TO MID 30S. * VISIBILITIES...LESS THAN 1/2 MILE AT TIMES. * TIMING...LIGHT SNOW WILL BEGIN AFTER DAYBREAK SATURDAY...THEN BECOME MODERATE TO HEAVY IN INTENSITY LATE SATURDAY AFTERNOON INTO SATURDAY EVENING. THE SNOW WILL THEN TAPER OFF LATER SATURDAY NIGHT. * IMPACTS...WIDESPREAD HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS DUE TO REDUCED VISIBILITIES AND SNOW COVERED ROADS. THE COMBINATION OF STRONG WINDS AND HEAVY WET SNOW WILL RESULT IN DOWNED TREES...TREE LIMBS AND POWER LINES. THE DAMAGE COULD BE QUITE EXTENSIVE WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR AN AREA OF WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR HEAVY SNOW MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE FORECAST THAT WILL MAKE TRAVEL DANGEROUS. ONLY TRAVEL IN AN EMERGENCY. IF YOU MUST TRAVEL...KEEP AN EXTRA FLASHLIGHT...FOOD... AND WATER IN YOUR VEHICLE IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
No wonder. Global warming causes everything.
Someone at the New York Times of course. Likely they will tie it in to the occupy movement as well.
The warm climate of the past couple decades will cause the cooling that will take place in the future. This storm isn’t an indicator of anything, but it certainly is interesting.
Since the civil war the tilt of the Earth has been decreasing. That will cause slowly cooling summers and slightly warm the winters. The transitions between will be turbulent as the spring/fall seasons always are. This is how the Earth has always behaved.
Sometimes it is fun to watch the warmists explain why the natural cycles are being altered by CO2, but usually it is just tedious. I expect that this story will be more tedious than anything else.
Yup. No doubt about it. Man made global warming. Rich white man, that is…
Well at least we know where The Goreacle will be this weekend…
Just wait for the series of Arctic blasts behind this storm! The first week of November could set many record cold temperatures across a vast swath of North America.
Simulated Radar (rain+snow) from the newest NCEP 4-km resolution NAM/WRF
8-day forecast of near-surface temperature anomalies from NCEP GFS global model. Note temperatures are in Celsius and the purple is roughly 20C below climatology!
Like every bad thing. this could well be caused by CO2. Perhaps the melting point of ice is increased at those unprecedented CO2 concentrations…
*yawn*
I measure early storms against Lake Storm “Aphid”, aka the October Surprise Storm. It started late afternoon of October 12, 2006, and finished with a bang early morning (just after sunrise) of October 13, 2006 … actually, it finished with lots of bangs, as transformers were blowing all over the place and tree limbs were snapping all night. The clouds were such pretty shades of greens, blues, and purples as they reflected the light from the blowing transformers. I live in the storm’s bulls-eye (Lancaster) where we got two feet of the pretty white stuff.
Actually, even six inches of the heavy wet stuff will wreck havoc with trees with their leaves still present and power lines that then get pulled down.
Some folks are going to have an interesting weekend.
For more info on Buffalo’s most impressive early storm, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_Storm
I think that it would be appropriate for James Hansen to visit, sporting a Speedo for the occasion. 🙂
Bye bye Occupy Wall Street protesters. Their tents aren’t going to keep them warm from the snow storm.
When it’s a mild December in tne NE,will you all be saying the same?
Because there’s a good chance that it will be……..
Wasn’t their arguement that because the world’s warmer it means there’s more moisture in the air, that means snow falls will be heavier? So yes, a lot of unseasonal or seasonal snow is the proof of global warming.
Ryan Maue says: Just wait for the series of Arctic blasts behind this storm! The first week of November could set many record cold temperatures across a vast swath of North America.
NCAR has already accounted for that in their discussion…
https://www2.ucar.edu/staffnotes/research/5566/el-nino-climate-change-coming-century
…of Stevenson et al (2011) “Will there be a Significant Change to El Nino in the 21st Century?”.
They conclude their Staff Notes article with, “However, the warmer and moister atmosphere of the future could make ENSO events more extreme. For example, the model predicts the blocking high pressure south of Alaska that often occurs during La Niña winters to strengthen under future atmospheric conditions, meaning that intrusions of Arctic air into North America typical of La Niña winters could be stronger in the future.”
In other words, greenhouse gases will cause it to be colder.
I have had snow on my tents several times. It actually makes it warmer. I think of it as the igloo effect.
@Wucash
The argument was that there are warmer Autumns and Winters and Springs. Too bad they are wrong on all three counts. When it is warmer it rains, not snows. It’s pretty basic.
I am sitting here in Harrisburg, PA waiting for the climate change crystals to start falling in this global warming storm. Should be fun until we start to lose power. The grid still hasn’t fully recovered after Lee and Irene. We have power, of course, but there are still some permanent fixes to lines and poles, etc. that haven’t been completed. With the leaves still on many trees and this heavy et stuff coming at us all day today, it could be a fun weekend. Glad the globe is so much warmer nowadays so we won’t have to freeze if we lose power. Oh, wait a minute… You mean warming causes unusually cold and snowy events, too? Reminds me of one of my favorite Homer Simpson quotes (just replace doughnuts with AGW): “Doughnuts – is there nothing they can’t do?”
Here in NW Virginia we have 1/2 inch of “extreme weather which must be caused by global warming” or “made more extreme and/or more frequent by global warming(TM)” that is still coming down. Might get a few inches even here at 600 feet elevation. While I believe there is modest global warming from manmade CO2, this is just weather, sorry catastrophists.
Rhys Jaggar said “Because there’s a good chance that it will be (a mild December).” That’s probably wrong. The Arctic Oscillation will determine whether it is cold here (in lower North America) in December. It will probably be negative in December judging from the last few years and send colder air our way.
I’m north of Philly. In my 45 years I’ve only seen flurries this early in the season. It is predicted we’ll get 6 inches. At a party last night I mentioned ” where’s the global warming when you need it?”. Other than groans one guy (a chemist) said we ought to drag our lawnmowers out and just let them idle all day to boost the see-oh-two.
They are reporting on the news that the Occupy Philly crow,d which has been growing, are in tents that aren’t suited for harsh winter weather. I wonder how long they will stick it out with the snow and 50 mph gusts? Should be fun to watch the movement crumble under the power of “global warming”.
@Leon: That report on the Buffalo October storm “Aphid” was interesting. I didn’t realize the Weather Service had a naming scheme for snowstorms as well as hurricanes!
If news media started using those names, it would certainly make things more distinct than the current practice of calling EVERY big storm the “Snowpocalypse.”
I better winterize the garden pronto!
BTW Anthony, stop playing and get back to work 🙂
Surely, it’s just the climate disruption side of cAGW. Any more questions?
Here in W Europe the jets have been stubbornly pushing north in an upswing just off the UK for some time now which is a feature of La Nina periods.
That gives mild southerly winds for us.
The jets are pushing south elsewhere though including over North America so there is clearly a more meridional flow than we have been used to which to me indicates a net cooling process overall.
At the same time the quiet sun is allowing the development of larger and colder polar air masses than previously according to the charts that I have seen. I kept a print of the temperature pattern in late 2007 and comparing it to now there is a clear shift towards a colder northern hemisphere for the time of year.
This is the latest such chart:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn125.html
If anyone could find the corresponding chart for the same date in 2007 and set them side by side here then readers will see what I mean.
The cooling solar effect has been ameliorated a bit as we approach cycle 24 maximum but it is clearly stronger than it was during the late 20th century when more powerful solar cycles caused much more zonal jets.
I think the link between solar activity levels and the behaviour of the surface pressure distribution is steadily becoming more apparent.
Rhys Jaggar says:
October 29, 2011 at 1:00 am
“When it’s a mild December in tne NE,will you all be saying the same?”
“Because there’s a good chance that it will be……..”
No. Because weather is NOT climate…is it?
We’ve had October snow here in New Hampshire in the recent past, so this is not unusual for us. I just don’t like the fact I have to put my snow tires on early this year…
“However, the warmer and moister atmosphere of the future could make ENSO events more extreme.”
How can they say this with a straight face when during the recent warming phase there has been no increased moister in the atmosphere at global levels.
This continuing of ignoring data observations for the model is increasingly worrying with anti- science.
Well we already know the arguments the warmistas will use so let’s have some answers ready. Is NYC above or below average temp right now. I’m guessing if it was much above for Oct it couldn’t snow at all but I could be wrong. And what’s the global anomaly looking like these days? Let’s know for sure if we can use the temps to debunk any “Warmer causes more snow” logic twisters.
Climate is what you expect.
Weather is what you get.
Has anyone done a study on temperature anomalies at airport weather stations, centered around the times when snow and ice shuts down the airports, compared to non-airport and non-urban stations in the surrounding areas?
If jet engines have an effect on the readings, then you should see a big deviation compared to normal conditions… and it would also show if the calibrations are thrown off due to UHI (or AHI) effects.
Posting before the power/phone goes out in western Md. About 3-4 inches of very wet snow here, weighing down trees that still haven’t shed their leaves. First thing when I stuck my head outside this morning was the sickening sound of cracking trees/branches from above on the mountain slope.
The earliest-season snow I remember was my first yr at Virginia Tech in 1977 and a 4″ snow fell on Oct 6 causing alot of tree damage.
Climate Science 101. The GHG effect explained:
Things get warmer, it is caused by CO2
Things get colder, it is caused by CO2
Things stay the same, it is caused by aerosols.
What part of climate science do you folks not understand?
Al Gore must be visiting New York City this weekend.
This must be from the Gore Effect!
beng: “Posting before the power/phone goes out in western Md. About 3-4 inches of very wet snow here, weighing down trees that still haven’t shed their leaves. ”
At laaast, actual data rather than a projection from a model 😉
Rich.
I think it’s fast and furious Solyndra like warming climate change global disruption weather syndrome.
Snow and then record cold coming? Occupy will be renamed Exodus.
And I hope it is not a harbinger of Cilvil War 2.
Sounds like a rare and exciting event! 🙂
Sitting in my apartment in New England, happily burning natural gas to keep warm, and getting ready for the unhealthy dose of “global warming” I’ll be scraping off my car tomorrow. 🙁
Is Al Gore visiting NY or something?
Larry Fields says:
October 28, 2011 at 11:36 pm
I think that it would be appropriate for James Hansen to visit, sporting a Speedo for the occasion. 🙂
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/embarrassing-picture-of-bill-clinton-and-al-gore
R. Shearer says:
October 29, 2011 at 8:10 am
And I hope it is not a harbinger of Cilvil War 2.
Warmists verus the Skeptics!
They are predicting some lightning and thunder with the snow in New Hampshire tonight. That means they think the storm will be bombing out. “Bombogenisis.” So far it is just grey out. Lots of sarcasm down at the local market. “Snow is good. It chases all the riff raff out of New Hampshire.” “This isn’t bad. When I was a kid it was so bad we had to dig down ten feet to pick the winter apples.”
I’m a little nervous about that blob of moisture from Rida getting sucked up over Florida. It seems to me the really big storms often have extra “gas” supplied by the tropics.
Kelvin Vaughan says:
Warmists verus the Skeptics!
Welfare recipients vs those paying for welfare
Socialists vs. Constitutionalists
union vs anti union
gun owners vs anti gun
people losing jobs vs a government causing higher unemployment
etc., etc., etc……….
You name it, it’s all happening in America.
Stephen Wilde, that is interesting. Low solar (especially UV) is a much better explanation of blocking events than the global warming contortions (due to anomalies in the Arctic due to melting ice). Even if global warming caused blocking or other similar weather, it would represent a negative feedback.
On topic: ended up with 3.8 inches here in NW Virginia at 600 feet elevation. There is a lot more snow higher up on the mountain where it would be more expected this time of year. When I step outside I can hear a tree limb breaking several times each minute.
Probably not coincidentally I had the first hoarfrost on the roof of my daylight basement this morning. Low temperature was 36-37F measured at 6 feet above ground, clear sky, calm, and low relative humidity in two locations – 10 feet above the roof and several feet below it to the side where stairs descend to the entrance. Perfect conditions for this. That roof (which is almost flat and covered with white mineral roofing) is the first and only thing on my rural property that I know that will get frost on it when temperature is 5F above freezing at several feet above ground. Closer to freezing but still above it the next things that usually show frost are automobile roofs.
As Yogi Berra once said “You can observe a lot by just watching”.
I got a hangnail on my left thumb.
Dang that CO2!
Hi, this really has nothing to do with the article but my question is…since the AMSR-E satellite went offline earlier this month, are there any sources of information that will provide an accurate estimate of the current Arctic Sea Ice Extent? Thanks.
The warmists are a bit slow to blame this on climate change.. This is all I could find: http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/128083/monster_noreaster_is_scarier_than
Rhys Jaggar says:
October 29, 2011 at 1:00 am
There is a chance, on record, that you get 20°C in Dec but what chance? What chance warm in dec? then Ryys?
Absolutely! So tired of “scientists” with “facts” dictating what they “know” instead of using allowing, non-agenda driven corporate spokespeople on the far right fringes telling us what they believe in their gut (and in their financial interests).
America STANDS ALONE in the world in refuting science. The rest of the world community mindlessly believes what scientists tell them instead of turning to “fair and balanced” impartial voices on AM radio and FOX news telling them the truthiness of climate change being a “hoax”.
America – #1 Baby!!!
From the Portsmouth NH NWS discussion. Thundersnow in October next to the warm Atlantic? Really? Wow.
“Winter storm warnings are in effect for the entire forecst area
for Saturday night and into Sunday. Also high wind warnings have
been issued along the coast to reflect the gusty winds
expected…the low level jet of 50-65 knots winds work their way down
to 1000 feet and with plenty of upward vertical velocity and possible convection some of
the winds should mix down to the surface at times. The reason for
the High Wind Warning and not a Blizzard Warning is because the
blizzard criteria of the prevailing visibility of less than 1/4 mile
for 3 hours and sustained high winds would not be met due to the
wet nature of the snow and the potential mix with rain for a
time…but gusty winds of 50-65 miles per hour at times along the coast
should verify the high wind warnings.
What we are about to witness will make the history books as a
classic/textbook scenario for explosive cyclogenesis sets up along
the middle Atlantic coast today as a very strong shortwave gets driven
east-southeast and becomes negatively tilted as it crosses the Delaware-Maryland-Virginia area
today. With ample amounts of sensible and latent heat with still
warm waters sitting offshore along with a tight baroclinic zone
and the cold high to the north due to exiting jet well NE in the
Canadian Maritimes means everything is in place. Models are all in
full agreement with intensity and track which brings it just north
of the benchmark of 40n/70w with the middle level low tracking over
Cape Cod which puts the heaviest snows across the southern half of
New Hampshire and ME although even the mountains reach warning criteria due
to wraparound and some oragraphic influences. Temperatures will
be plenty cold enough for snow across the entire area tonight and
Sunday.
The time table: toward evening the precipitation overspreads the
rest of the area further north and changes to snow over all areas.
The heavier snow will spread from S-north in the early evening and
winds will increase after midnight. By Sunday morning 6-12 inches
is expected with some locally higher amounts expected. Used ratios
of 9-10:1 for snow to quantitative precipitation forecast amts. Later tonight snowfall rates of
1-3 inches are possible over southern areas along with possible
thunderstorms due to the rapid intensification of the storm center off
the coast.”
Amazing.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Here’s the latest from NOAA:
http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=NYZ072&warncounty=NYC061&firewxzone=NYZ072&local_place1=New+York+NY&product1=Winter+Weather+Advisory
6-10″ in NYC
I think it has been snowing all day at Joe Bastardi’s house. You know Joe is loving this.
Also, I wonder what Dr. Michael Mann thinks as he gazes over his campus catching up on a little work over the weekend, seeing all of that global warming covering the still-green Pennsylvania ground…
http://146.186.123.229/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?resolution=352×240
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Caught CNN this AM. News with Fredrika Whitfield.(also known as the Prozac version).
Of course, FW and the supposed meteorologist chit chatted about this snowstorm. The latter noted that it was the earliest snow for decades (60 years as I recall) before mentioning the extremes of climate change and then stating that it was UNPRECEDENTED.
Do these AGW parrots even know what their talking point words mean?
And now Manhattan is in on the WSW! What was just a day ago, a “brief changeover to snow” is now a winter storm warning.
Mother Nature always has such a sense of humor with protests! If I were a betting man, I would guess that 90% the Zuccotti Park tent city population…are global warmers.
Batten down the tents!
… Winter Storm Warning in effect until 2 am EDT Sunday…
The National Weather Service in Upton has upgraded the Winter
Weather Advisory to a Winter Storm Warning for heavy snow and
wind… which is in effect until 2 am EDT Sunday. The Winter
Weather Advisory is no longer in effect.
* Locations… the New York City metropolitan area.
* Hazard types… heavy snow and wind.
* Accumulations… 6 to 10 inches of snow.
* Winds… north 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 55 mph.
* Temperatures… in the lower 30s.
* Visibilities… one quarter mile or less at times.
* Timing… heavy snow will continue through the evening hours. The
snow will taper off from west to east late tonight. In addition
to the heavy snow… winds will increase by evening… and last
through most of the night.
* Impacts… widespread downed trees and power outages can be
expected. Travel will be extremely hazardous… especially after
dark.
==============================
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Luther Brixton,
You sound just like one of those “scientists” with “facts”.
And exactly which corporation am I the spokeperson?
And….the almost century-and-a-half record book of Central Park has NEVER recorded an inch or more of snow there…until now.
The Gore Effect is no longer a localized effect. It is a worldwide teleconnection. Gore could be anywhere in the world, but every time this happens I think Mother Nature is sticking it to him even though he is not around. LOL
“… Record October snowfall amount set for Central Park NY…
As of 2 PM today… Central Park recorded 1.3 inches of snowfall.
Since snowfall records began in 1869… an inch of snowfall has never
been recorded in the month of October. The last two times that
measurable snow fell in the month of October was… October 21 1952
with 0.5 inches and October 30 1925 with 0.8 inches.
Therefore… this breaks the daily record for snowfall in October and
the most snowfall ever recorded in the month of October.”
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Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Well, I will just have to post this again. UK Independent Newspaper:
“Snowfalls are now just a Thing of the Past”
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Quote:
“Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.
Endquote.
The Independent has never apologised for this article, and nor has Dr David Viner. And neither of them have apologised for the chaos they caused at Heathrow last year, by convincing airport managers that snow will be their lowest priority. Needless to say, last winter the UK was blanketed with snow and Heathrow closed for three days.
These Warmists are a danger to the economy and to the nation.
.
Three hours in and the trees in our backyard are already breaking under the weight of the snow. Had a brief power outage concurrent with the bzzzzzzzt sound of a tree falling on the lines somewhere.
Just got finished shoveling 7.5 inches of global warming south of Allentown PA
“I would guess that 90% the Zuccotti Park tent city population…are global warmers.”
I would guess 99%. It fits their philosophy that free enterprise, especially the Koch brothers, are the root of all evil. They would be the last people to consider a natural explanation. They will sit in their 33 degree tents and rationalize how this snowstorm was caused by CO2.
Supposedly they are prepared for these white global warming events. After all, all have been warned, right?
Snow did not used to be for sledding only. It has always been beautiful, and destructive: http://bit.ly/sg7xD1
“joshua says:
October 29, 2011 at 6:34 am
And what’s the global anomaly looking like these days?”
According to
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/01/daily-monitoring-of-global-average-temperatures/
the mark at 14000 feet is at least 0.11 C lower than for any other year for October 27 since 2002.
Some Photos from New York:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/weather/stories/Dramatic-Photos-October-Snow-Storm-132854018.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150347142171527_19394431_10150347150851527#f21a63f3a421dc
Washington DC:
Now
Light snow…occasionally mixing with rain…will continue across the metropolitan areas of Washington DC and the city of Baltimore this evening. Through 8 PM…additional accumulations along the Mason Dixon line of around an inch will be possible…but elsewhere little or no additional snowfall accumulation is expected. “ http://classic.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=Washington%20DC&wuSelect=WEATHER
I really hope Mother Nature sticks it to them and dumps a few inches on DC.
It seems she must have been reading WUWT for the past week or so and wanted to add her two cents to the Pre-Durbin propaganda spin we have been seeing of late.
North Carolina is also getting FREEZE warnings.
Oh, the irony!
I think schadenfreude is what I’m feeling for those libiots w/ the OWS crowd.
Lets see…
Snow. On leaves. On trees. In parks. Over tents. …
Wonder where those falling limbs will go?…
Try as they might to cast this as ‘climate chaos’, it’s just gonna make them look incredibly stupid and gullible. Gotta love it 😉
Can’t wait for Hansen to try to pronounce this the “Warmest October EVER!!!”.
“But it’s a warm snow” 🙂
Can you imagine how cold it would be if we hadn’t been warming the planet?
It is certainly conceivable that this early snowfall is the result of global warning. No way we can tell for sure, but unusual weather patterns, whether they bring warmer than usual or colder than usual weather, is consistent with global warming.
This snow is rotten.
Final snowfall accumulation measured at 10 locations around my property: solid 9 inches at all spots. This would be an unusual amount of snow at any time during the entire winter. This early in the season is unprecedented. But I wouldn’t doubt over the past several hundred years it’s happened a couple other times.
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CNN is reporting snowfalls of up to 58cm. Yes, cm !!
I did think they had mixed their units, but apparently there were some major falls of snow.
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The freakiest thing going on now to me is the 14k and 25 k temps which are at 10 yr record satellite lows. While 3 inches of snow in NYC when normals are 60 is extreme ( try 3 inches in Brownsville at Christmas 2004, when normals are 70!) those 14k and 25 k temps are not freak accidents, but some real live mid and upper tropospheric cooling against the means. That is a big story, and I am surprised there is not more comment on it
Noon, Monday, October 31. We just got our power back, in southern New Hampshire on the Massachusetts border, after an amazing two feet of snow. It was hard to measure the snow depth, because the ground was so warm it was melting up from below. At five AM there was around two feet, but by nine there was around eighteen inches. My snowblower did not handle the slush well at all. The later it got the more slushy it got, and with temperatures getting up to around fifty the snow was soon shrinking from the top as well the bottom. On the south side of my barn the snow shrank to eight inches by sundown, while on the north (shaded) side there was still eighteen inches. We didn’t get the tree damage they got not far to our south, as the trees are more leafless here. Only the oaks and beeches still have leaves, and look astonished, rusty green in the snowscape.
It’s amazing how hooked on WUWT I am. Two days without it was rough.
Most climate models have predicted that some regions in the middle latitudes will see increased snowfall as a result of global warming. These are the regions where it is still cold enough to snow, with a warmer atmosphere holding more moisture than before.
Here in the Boston area, it has been an unusually warm autumn. We didn’t have to turn the heat on in our house until the third week in October — about two weeks later than usual. Then we had a big wet sloppy snowstorm.
Theory and experience seem to agree, at least around here, that snow can follow closely on unseasonably warm temperatures.
Jesse Fell says: October 31, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Nice try, Jesse, but you make an assertion without a citation. If you are tempted to reply, make sure your citation predates the snowy winters.
As for your assertion that you usually start heating your home in the first week of October… I’m 150 miles south and generally don’t have to start my heating until the first week of November. I’ve had to start ten days early this year. Maybe you’re using too much oil?
I wonder why everyone hasn’t noticed that Austin, Texas had 90 days consecutive above 100 degrees this year; breaking last years record of 56 days. Having grown up in NY state, it isn’t unusual for the state to get 8″ snowfalls in October. A few days earlier than the previous record means global warming isn’t true and 90 days of record heat in Texas is ignored? I have to admire the logic..