A new post containing a cartoon from Josh will appear every hour. At the end of the 24 hours, everything will be collated on a single page.
Readers are encouraged to post skeptical arguments below. We are starting out slow, and will build as we go.
In the beginning there was Gore, and a skeptical polar bear.
Here’s a primer on what is to come:
Earth’s Climate System Is Ridiculously Complex – With Draft Link Tutorial
And, since Mr. Gore has made linking severe weather with climate a focus, may I present this from Joe D’Aleo’s ICECAP via GWPF:
James Marusek: A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events
By James Marusek
Over the centuries, mankind has experienced tremendous rainfalls and massive floods, monster hurricanes and typhoons, destructive tornadoes, parched-earth droughts, strong gales, flash floods, great snowfalls and killer blizzards, lightning storms sent down from the heavens, blind dense fogs, freezing rain, sleet, great hail, and bone-chilling cold and even an occasional mudstorm or two and in-between, periods of warm sunshine and tranquility.
And we are still here. We are perhaps a little battered and bruised from the wear. But there is nothing new in the weather to fear because we have been there before. We have learned to cope. We have developed knowledge, skills and tools to reduce the effects of weather extremes.
Today, every time a heat wave or a great flood occurs (such as those in Russia and Pakistan this year), voices arise claiming this is more proof of man-made global warming. I wonder to myself if these voices are intentionally ignorant of historical weather extremes or just dishonest.
Early meteorologist and historians have documented weather for many centuries. Recently, I have compiled several of these accounts into “A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events” and published this document on the Impact website. (PDF)
[Note: backup copy here early weather events (PDF) to prevent overloading his website, Anthony]
This chronology covers the years 0 to 1900 A.D. (When downloading the file, please be a little patient. This is a master resource and the 6.5 MB file may take a few minutes to access.)
Why is a chronological listing of weather events of value? If one wishes to peer into the future, then a firm grasp of the past events is a key to that gateway. This is intrinsically true for the scientific underpinnings of weather and climate.
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A fascinating chronology that believes the Gorian, enviro and media claims that recent extremes are unprecedented. Even the Little Ice Age had brutal summer heat waves like we saw last year in Russia or this year in Texas. See many examples of brutal winters like the last 4 followed by significant floods, drought and heat waves in summer causing major crop and livestock issues and famine.
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The Gore Effect is proof that global warming does not exist…..
….ever since Gore lost to Bush, temperatures have been going down
I Think… therefore I am a Skeptic.
First impressions from the Mexico City feed. Lots of emotional pictures of flooding, and other severe weather events, very little science.
Some people on the comment feed complaining that translator is missing a lot.
Many people having trouble connecting.
Focusing on 4% water vapor increase globally, unclear if they are talking 2 meter, troposphere, or stratosphere.
one commenter says: Lois” Did anyone see this project mentioned on CNN? I didn’t. “
The Gore Effect of CHILLING temps….
I think this might be a precursor to SNOW? **snicker**
I love it….
showing EMOTIONAL events and ones that have very little to do with actual long term trend… and they are regional events as well…
trying to gain an emotional response to garbage….
It is interesting how the presumption that you should not question is introduced into human minds. In this case, as it was in the cult I grew up in, the common theme is that, “very smart people have researched this for xx amount of time, they know what they’re talking about, believe them.”
Later on, it is simply sold as “reality” that only those “not called by *insert favorite imaginary entity*” would dare question.
…….believes the Gorian…claims
I think that should be
….belies….
Hal
I’m a Skeptic, therefore I think.
This quotation is apropos
“Many people, relying on their memories alone, insist that our climates are now very different from what they used to be. Their fathers made similar statements about the climates of earlier times, as did also their father’s fathers, as their several writings show, and so on through the ages; and the bulk of this testimony is to the effect that our climates are getting worse–evidence perhaps that flesh has always been heir to ills.” W. J. Humphreys, 1920
Naming skeptical people now with video clips of them, then rebutting them
Commenter feed:
chas_r For all th hype this is a HUGE failure to this point!
Oh great, now they are on with the smoking causes cancer comparisons
gore; “Just today I was speaking with a woman from her flooded kitchen…..climate change is about people”
This was in the opening remarks?
Ambien sales are going to put under pressure by this event.
gore; “Just today I was speaking with a woman from her flooded kitchen…..climate change is about people”
This was in the opening remarks?
Ambien sales are going to be put under pressure by this event.
Bill H says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:18 pm
The Gore Effect of CHILLING temps….
I think this might be a precursor to SNOW? **snicker**
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http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20110914/NEWS/110919921/1077&ParentProfile=1058
During the last century there have been significantly fewer major volcanoes. i.e. ones with a Volcanic Explosivity Index (VEI) rated 5 or higher;
1902 – VEI6(?) – Santa Maria, Guatemala
1907 – VEI5 – Ksudach, Kamchatka
1912 – VEI6 – Novarupta (Katmai)
1932 – VEI5+ – Azul, Cerro (Quizapu)
1956 – VEI5 – Bezymianny, Kamchatchka
1980 – VEI5 – St Helens, US
1982 – VEI5 – El Chichon, Mexico
1991 – VEI6 – Pinatubo, Philippines
as compared to a period such 1580 – 1680;
1580 ± 20 – VEI6 – Billy Mitchell
1586 – VEI5? – Kelut, Java
1593 – VEI5? – Raung, Java
1600 – VEI6 – Huaynaputina
1625 – VEI5 – Katla
1640 – VEI5 – Komaga-Take, Japan
1641 – VEI6 – Mount Parker
1650 – VEI6 – Kolumbo, Santorini
1660 – VEI6 – Long Island (Papua New Guinea)
1663 – VEI5 – Usu, Japan
1667 – VEI5 – Shikotsu (Tarumai), Japan
1673 – VEI5? – Gamkonora, Halmahera
1680 – VEI5? – Tongkoko, Sulaw
which coincides with the depths of the Little Ice Age:
http://www.eh-resources.org/timeline/timeline_lia.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
The effects of volcanoes on Earth’s climate are well know, e.g. “the 1991 explosion of Mount Pinatubo, a stratovolcano in the Philippines, cooled global temperatures for about 2–3 years.
In 1883, the explosion of Krakatoa (Krakatau) created volcanic winter-like conditions. The next four years after the explosion were unusually cold, and the winter of 1887 to 1888 included powerful blizzards.Record snowfalls were recorded worldwide.
The 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora, a stratovolcano in Indonesia, occasioned mid-summer frosts in New York State and June snowfalls in New England and Newfoundland and Labrador in what came to be known as the “Year Without a Summer” of 1816.
A paper written by Benjamin Franklin in 1783 blamed the unusually cool summer of 1783 on volcanic dust coming from Iceland, where the eruption of Laki volcano had released enormous amounts of sulfur dioxide, resulting in the death of much of the island’s livestock and a catastrophic famine which killed a quarter of the population. Temperatures in the northern hemisphere dropped by about 1 °C in the year following the Laki eruption.
In 1600, the Huaynaputina in Peru erupted. Tree ring studies show that 1601 was cold. Russia had its worst famine in 1601 to 1603. From 1600 to 1602, Switzerland, Latvia and Estonia had exceptionally cold winters. The wine harvest was late in 1601 in France, and in Peru and Germany wine production collapsed. Peach trees bloomed late in China, and Lake Suwa in Japan froze early.[4]
In 1452 or 1453, a cataclysmic eruption of the submarine volcano Kuwae caused worldwide disruptions.
The Great Famine of 1315–1317 in Europe may have been precipitated by a volcanic event,[5] perhaps that of Kaharoa, New Zealand, which lasted about five years.[6]
The extreme weather events of 535–536 are most likely linked to a volcanic eruption.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter
Thus a portion of the warming that occurred during last century is likely due to lower levels of volcanic activity, versus increases in CO2 emissions. Does this make me a denier?…
Blood for oil, cigarette sales, big corporations.
It all makes sense to me now.
Are they actually promoting Spain’s “green” ecomony as a good thing?
It was at 80k views when I started watching 10 minutes in, around 153k views now, I’m curious what it will peak at.
Now the presenter is on with people in 3rd world making windmills, solar panels etc…not much about climate, seems to be speaking about energy opportunity.
Lots of people complaining about the presenter and translator
150K watching now
Oh goody, A panel now, Gore will speak off the cuff
Can you believe this guy owns a TV station? Time to send in the guys twirling plates on sticks like Jerry Lewis would do for the MD telethon at three in the morning in the 60’s. This is the first hour? It’s like fingernails on a blackboard already.
Light snow in northern Minnesota is being given credit for helping control wildfires in the Boundary Waters Canoe area.
(BTW Where is Albert coming from?)
“Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.” – Nietzsche
I suspect the “views” counter now over 170K shows the number of attempted/completed connections, but doesn’t show the number of dropped.
Ah there’s the Arctic Sea Ice HITS A NEW RECORD – I was right in my recent sea ice news
“the phenomenon that leads to unseasonably cold temperatures, driving rain, hail, or snow whenever Al Gore visits an area to discuss global warming.
Surely the phenomenon is simply an AL GORE RHYTHM …….
I can’t seem to login to chat, I’d like to link Climate Depot if I could.
Yes I’ve been watching the counter quite closely and it never goes down by even 1, that’s just impossible. Especially with so many people complaining about connecting. A new “trick” I guess.
Earlier, did you pick up on; “More moisture causes droughts”?
Just in case anyone missed this : )
I guess the next hour is when the smearing starts
Blather about “resilient cities” and “resistance to change” and “Mexico is going to dry up in a couple decades” according to the “projections” (aka “models,” which he refused to say). That was in only 2 minutes of viewing, which is quite enough for me.
“Let’s have a pleasant discussion about our apocalyptic vision. It’s all so sad and dismal.”
Yeesh, these AGW fanatics are kooks.
WHAT!!??
Their (climate) predictions have come true!!???
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Ahhh … so that is the ’emote’ known as Heidy …
Oh boy tobacco evils via old commercials applied to climate change.
If you look at the RSS Lower Troposphere Satellite Temps, you’ll see a .142 degree Celsius per decade increase over the last 30 years:
ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/graphics/tlt/plots/rss_ts_channel_tlt_global_land_and_sea_v03_3.png
Included in this increase, are 3 large El Nino events, which are called out on this MSU/AMSU Lower Troposphere Brightness Temperature Anomaly chart
ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/graphics/tlt/plots/tlt_time_lat_doctored.png
and this UAH Lower Atmosphere Temp chart;
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_current.gif
El Nino’s are natural oceanic oscillations, and thus should also be removed from any estimate of anthropogenic CO2 related warming.
A portion of the warming that occurred during the last 30 years is likely due to El Nino events, versus increases in CO2 emissions. If I am a denier, what is that I deny?…
Let’s see, how can I phrase this: “Can I get this in the original German?”
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Yawn… wake me when it’s over.
This is gore’s game so he has the first move. He is likely throwing all he’s got out in the start. As he plays his best hand up front and the reviews start to come in to WUWT, you better put ice on your servers.
BUT John it is not getting hotter … and hotter … and hotter … geesh.
Jeremy says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:20 pm
It is interesting how the presumption that you should not question is introduced into human minds.
The left you to say… “think for yourself question authority”
Now they ‘don’t’ want you to think for yourself and they ‘want’ you to trust authority (or government).
weird times!
Hmmm … confusing events (floods) and weather (rains) with climate … the mistake of ‘amateurs’ I’d say, rank amateurs …
See next hour at top of WUWT now
I visualize the majority of these people being 17-28 years old with a deep need to matter somehow….what better way than saving the world? It really doesn’t matter what the object is, as long as they can protest big corporations who “control the world.” They don’t realize that most everything they have is either made from or in someway associated with oil. One person said their goal was to completely eliminate “fossil fuels” from his life. If he succeeds, then look for a naked man standing outside, with no protection from the elements.
I would also bet that a large part of them don’t know what CO2 really is and couldn’t explain the global warming theory. Reading the comments, it screams CULT.
Kevin Kilty September 14, 2011 at 5:26 pm
“Many people, relying on their memories alone, insist that our climates are now very different from what they used to be. Their fathers made similar statements about the climates of earlier times, as did also their father’s fathers, as their several writings show, and so on through the ages; and the bulk of this testimony is to the effect that our climates are getting worse–evidence perhaps that flesh has always been heir to ills.” W. J. Humphreys, 1920
I think there is a reason for this. There seems to be a 60 year cycle (roughly and variably) to weather patterns. if this is so, then the 30 sentient years of earlier lives wold not be aware of previous, similar, periods of weather patterns. Now a mass of people are beginning to live over 80, to 100, perhaps memory and wisdom will kick in.
Famouly, the 15th C French poet, François Villon, said “Mais où sont les neiges d’antan?”
How many adults in Canada, who were children in the 1970s, ask themselves that same question. Don’t worry, they will be returning in your old age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Villon
This actually much better Gore.
Excuse me, wasn’t this billed as a “unprecedented global” event? And the view count is at 170k or so? Out of nearly 7 billion souls on the planet. Pretty pathetic turn out I’d say.
The script so far reads like a bunch of Joe Romm Climate progress posts, lots of scary inflated claims.
Presenter said: “Wildfires threatened to burn nuclear material “(Los Alamos this summer) – blatant fear mongering You think they leave Plutonium just laying around in the open to be burned? Sheesh!!
Guess they missed reading this Guardian article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/28/fire-los-alamos-nuclear-facility-new-mexico
“Thousands of residents have fled the town of Los Alamos, but officials say all radioactive materials at the lab are safe”
Looks like the chat feed broke at Gore’s site, seems stopped now
BE CAREFUL
The “check in and chat” on Gore’s site opens a dialog that asks for permission to take over your Facebook/Twitter account, as I pointed out earlier.
Did anyone think it would be this boring and unimaginative?
There may have been a peak in solar activity during the second half of the 20th century;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3869753.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/56456.stm
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/GL264W01.pdf
and there is research that indicates that changes in solar activity may influence earth’s temperature, by modulating cosmic rays, which can influence cloud formation:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/24/breaking-news-cern-experiment-confirms-cosmic-rays-influence-climate-change/
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/research/CLOUD-en.html
A portion of the warming that occurred during the last 30 years may be associated with solar activity versus increases in CO2 emissions. Maybe this makes me a denier?…
Back to explaining “normal” to 13 and 14 year olds, I know another generation of Reagan supporters is being born.
“Koch brothers…..”
The consensus is all the world’s “academy of science” agree….wait a minute, so every scientist in those academies agree??? I seriously doubt every eldery person agrees with the position of AARP, that was proven when ObamaCare arose…..thousands canceled their membership. They don’t talk “SCIENTISTS”, they talk “scientific organizations”…….world of difference.
I disappointed, but not surprised, that they are using “deniers” instead of “skeptics”…..just shows they have no class and very unprofessional. It should be called “24 Hours of Ad Hom”.
22,129 Live Views
104 In Crowd
8:30 CST
Wonder how many of those are the “deniers”?
@gofer where are you getting those stats?
I’m not sure of gore’s format, but if it is going to be continuous then the comments on WUWT will spike after it’s over as many will not want to miss a single bit of his drivel. This may be his last testimony before the hangin’.
Taking over twitter and Facebook accounts is Als new way to create positive feedback, exactly as the IPCC listed even outspoken critics as members of the consensus.
I remember reading in newsmags in the late 1990’s about a suggested new term for that new thing, the web. Algore said it was an “information superhighway.” I hated the term, partly because it is a bit corny, but mostly because it WAS Algore who coined that term. He was proud of himself for inventing the phrase
Ever since, there has been nonsense that Algore said he invented the internet. Everyone who passes that falsehood on looks like an idiot to me, and surely to the Goracle as well.
The real idiot remains Algore, and it would help in bringing him down if we got our facts right on this little point as we have on so many others.
Latitude says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm
The Gore Effect is proof that global warming does not exist…..
….ever since Gore lost to Bush, temperatures have been going down
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Funny, 2005, 2010 are tied for world temperature records.
Anthony Watts says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Naming skeptical people now with video clips of them, then rebutting them
Commenter feed:
chas_r For all th hype this is a HUGE failure to this point!
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If its wrong, its wrong. You can do that with the correct science.
I copied them from underneath the u-stream video on the page.
Anthony Watts says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Oh great, now they are on with the smoking causes cancer comparisons
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Gee Anthony, the same professional doubters that worked with tobacco, worked with the oil companies. If you don’t have that by now, you haven’t been paying attention.
REPLY: Irrelevant to me, I’m not connected in any way, and both of my parents died from smoking related illness, but nobody in my family has died from climate change. – Anthony
OK well, I’m declaring this event a dud, time for dinner, moderators please help as we go along each hour steer people to the next event post
I just checked back and the stats have disappeared. They were at the top right of the page, below the u-stream vid.
Just The Facts says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Thus a portion of the warming that occurred during last century is likely due to lower levels of volcanic activity, versus increases in CO2 emissions. Does this make me a denier?…
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If the ignor the rest of the data YES.
Right on the presentation, humans put out 137 times co2 than volcanoes.
Anthony Watts reported @ September 14, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Presenter said: “Wildfires threatened to burn nuclear material
All matter is nuclear, so they are not lying … being deceitfult, perhaps, but not lying. I actually don’t believe, or, rather, never heard of Uranium or Plutonium, actually “burning” in the old fashioned sense of the word.
cwon14 says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Earlier, did you pick up on; “More moisture causes droughts”?
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AGW just came crashing down. Congradulations
What a flop. Sorry I wasted my time watching.
_Jim says:
September 14, 2011 at 6:09 pm
BUT John it is not getting hotter … and hotter … and hotter … geesh.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record
below 2005 and 2010 are the warmest years on reocrd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record#Warmest_years
below 2000 to 2009 is the warmest decade on record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record#Warmest_Decades
A lot of the same people who cried global cooling in the 70’s are now doing the same with global warming.
I can’t believe Hansen would state that none of those bad floods or weather would have happened if CO2 below 280. Deliberate distortion of climate history….some of the world’s worst events happened with low CO2. Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Coal…….attack…show bad weather pics….attack…..
It seems to be a “mutual admiration society”, a lot of tweeting and comments about how eco-conscious they are and everybody should do what they do…….
Rename “24 HOURS of STRAWMEN”
I will wager that after this event,the global warming believers will drop another 10 points. Even the congregation is complaining……”I’ve heard this before”, “nothing new”….
Gofer
I disappointed, but not surprised, that they are using “deniers” instead of “skeptics”…..just shows they have no class and very unprofessional. It should be called “24 Hours of Ad Hom”.
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Skeptics listen to facts, deniers don’t ever accept them.
Skeptics are able to accept 97% consensus of peer review writing scientists as credible.
Skeptics are able to seperate out Rush Limbaugh ideology from science fact.
Somebody ask them WHY they don’t state what the actual temp is when it’s the “hottest” on record”….like 2010, according to Hansen was 0.01, I believe. Probably not enough to scare people, huh??
renewable guy says: September 14, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Just The Facts says:
September 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Thus a portion of the warming that occurred during last century is likely due to lower levels of volcanic activity, versus increases in CO2 emissions. Does this make me a denier?…
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If the ignor the rest of the data YES.
Right on the presentation, humans put out 137 times co2 than volcanoes.
Try reading rather than spouting.
“The greatest volcanic impact upon the earth’s short term weather patterns is caused by sulfur dioxide gas;”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_dioxide
“In the cold lower atmosphere, it is converted to Sulfuric Acid;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfuric_acid
by the sun’s rays reacting with stratospheric water vapor to form sulfuric acid aerosol layers. The aerosol remains in suspension long after solid ash particles have fallen to earth and forms a layer of sulfuric acid droplets between 15 to 25 kilometers up. Fine ash particles from an eruption column fall out too quickly to significantly cool the atmosphere over an extended period of time, no matter how large the eruption.
Sulfur aerosols last many years, and several historic eruptions show a good correlation of sulfur dioxide layers in the atmosphere with a decrease in average temperature decrease of subsequent years. The close correlation was first established after the 1963 eruption of Agung volcano in Indonesia when it was found that sulfur dioxide reached the stratosphere and stayed as a sulfuric acid aerosol.
Without replenishment, the sulfuric acid aerosol layer around the earth is gradually depleted, but it is renewed by each eruption rich in sulfur dioxide. This was confirmed by data collected after the eruptions of El Chichon, Mexico (1982) and Pinatubo, Philippines (1991), both of which were high-sulfur compound carriers like Agung, Indonesia.”
http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm
Here’s the influence of sulfur dioxide gas from volcanic activity on the transmission of solar irradiance;
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/webdata/grad/mloapt/mlo_transmission.gif
no CO2 needed… Are you ignoring the data?
Lunar ice rainbows visible over the UK and Ireland tonight.
REPLY: Irrelevant to me, I’m not connected in any way, and both of my parents died from smoking related illness, but nobody in my family has died from climate change. – Anthony
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Sorry for your parents passing.
Russia and Pakistan last were immense events accerbated by climate. So I take it climate change will be forever harmless?
Somehow all the science oraganizations in the world are wrong. Interesting.
That’s called denial.
Renew Guy
75 out of 77 = 97%….out of 10,159 surveys sent…..unnamed with no credentials, just accept what we say. BTW, nobody disagrees with them. The question was “Do you agree that the globe is warming and man has been a significant contributor?” I don’t know of any skeptic that would disagree. WHY wasn’t the question asked if it was going to be catastrophic….that’s where the disagreement lies. History shows that climate comes in cycles and to believe that has ceased is beyond reasonable and CO2 forcing of the climate “perpetual motion machine” has no evidence to support such a mechanism. You will not get 97% of scientists (even the 75) to back a catastrophic statement and do it openly. It took a lot of culling to get down to the 75 out of 77, since they started with over 2000 responses. Who are they?? What are their credentials? What did they publish and when??? It’s like the old commercial of 9 out of 10 doctors agree……There sure is a lot of appeals to authority with no facts or supporting info.
Surely you can do better than the ole Rush Limbaugh adhom.
Many could say the same about the Al Gore ideology…….the same ideology that told people they need to decide how much to “exaggerate”……huummm.
It shoud be embarrassing for the educated, in climate history, to talk about the weather events, because there is nothing unusual happening that hasn’t happened before. Severe tornados declining since the 70’s….hurricanes…well, you know…Drought….nothing new. That is a FACT.
How come they stopped talking about the required “tropical hot spot” that doesn’t exist??? That was supposed to be the signal that was the focal point of the global warming theory?? So many questions and so little time before it all collapses.
NOAA
March 9th, 2011
“The deadly Russian heat wave of 2010 was due to a natural atmospheric phenomenon often associated with weather extremes, according to a new NOAA study.
Pakistan – 1950
“Monsoon rain in 1950 killed an estimated 2,900 people across the country. Punjab Province, including the city of Lahore, was among the worst hit when the River Ravi flooded. Over 100,000 homes were destroyed, leaving around 900,000 people homeless”.
No scientific proof of Anthropogenic climate change at all what-so-ever, yet, even tho Anthropogenic climate change was mentioned there was no science, Over to you Anthony!!
And the flattest.
And 1,000,000,000 times less sulfur.
That 97% agreement question didn’t ask about whether the human-caused warming was going to be catastrophic. 97% of skeptics would agree that the globe is warming and that human ACTIVITY (not CO2–the question avoided that word) contributed significantly to it.
My suspicions are that they just went along with the PC crowd, not wanting to get into a wrestling match with a skunk. That they rarely really studied the subject–they just capitulated like dominoes because warmist activists pointed out that other big-name scientific societies had endorsed the warmist POV, so why shouldn’t they? Opposition was likely blunted by a desire to move to renewables as early as possible (viewed as a wise precaution, based on an acceptance of inflated claims of mid-term cost-effectiveness), regardless of the strength of the science.
They won’t debate the topic or allow debates on it at their meetings. That indicates to me that they have been captured by activists who are following the recommended warmist strategy of marginalizing skepticism by refusing to acknowledge its existence. It suggests that their understanding of the complexities and facets of the subject is limited.
‘renewable guy’ says on September 14, 2011 at 7:32 pm: “numerous irrelevancies”
Be careful you don’t get your azz handed to you on this site …
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