There is quite a fight brewing in Australia between regular folks and the Gillard government. It will come to a head when a big nationwide convoy of truckers descend on the delicate government types in the Canberra Australian Capital Territory. The great unwashed meet the ruling class in wrecktacular style.
Meanwhile, as the truckers beef up their roobars for the possible collisions ahead, I have this speech from my friend David Archibald.
David Archibald Speech for Rally in Canberra August 16th, 2011
My first duty to you today is tell you what is happening to the climate. What is happening is cooling. The oceans started cooling in 2003, and the atmosphere is following. There has been no warming since 1998.
In fact, the temperature of planet today is almost the same as it was when satellites first started measuring it in 1979. No one under the age of 32 has experienced global warming. Some of us predate that and remember the heavy frosts of the nineteen seventies. Those frosts are returning, and worse. Solar activity is weakening, and will remain weak for another 22 years.
We in this blessed country will be spared the worst of it, but a large portion of the grain belt in the northern hemisphere will have crop failures due to longer winters and early frosts. Canada will go from being a large exporter of grain to becoming a frequent importer. As long as Australia remains a net food exporter, we will benefit from the shorter Northern Hemisphere growing season.
For us, climate is a non-problem. Carbon dioxide’s heating effect is real, but minuscule. The one hundred parts per million that we have added to the atmosphere in the last one hundred years has heated the planet by one tenth of a degree. We will add another hundred parts per million over the next fifty years. The total of two tenths of a degree will be very welcome by mid-century.
In fact, the more carbon dioxide we add to the atmosphere, the better. During the ice ages of the last three million years, the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere got as low as one hundred and seventy-two parts per million. Plant growth shuts down at one hundred and fifty parts per million. Life above sea level was almost snuffed out due to a lack of carbon dioxide. We were only twenty-two parts per million from extinction. We came so close to dying out due to a lack of carbon dioxide. And, for those amongst us who like plants and animals, they would have died out too.
The more we can increase the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, the safer life on this planet will be.
The more we can increase the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, the safer life on this planet will be. For those amongst us who feel for the Third World, increasing the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere is like giving them free fertiliser. Their crops will grow faster. Who amongst us would be so heartless as to deny the Third World that benefit at no cost to themselves? The Government hunkered down here in front of you is that heartless. But then, they don’t care about Australians either.
This fake problem of climate is distracting us from real problems. The first of which is the fact that our oil self-sufficiency is declining rapidly. It is 40% now. It will be down to 25% by 2015. We now import oil from as far afield as Azerbaijan, Algeria and the Congo. We are forced to rely upon their kindness to keep our farms and factories running.
It need not be like that. We could make our own transport fuels from our own coal. And keep the money we pay for them in Australia. But that won’t happen while the carbon tax lives.
…most of our institutions have failed in their duty to serve and protect
As a scientist, what saddens me is that most of our scientific institutions have failed in their duty to serve and protect the Australian people. The CSIRO, the Bureau of Meteorology, the universities – have all failed us. And then there are the institutions that actively, and purposefully, and very treacherously, conspired against us. Chief of which is the ABC, which has ceaselessly promoted the bizarre cult of carbon.
The next Government will inherit a lot of debt. To pay off that debt as quickly as possible, sacrifices will have to be made. The easiest sacrifice to make would be to shut down the ABC. None who love this country will weep for it.
Just as this Government did not weep for the cement workers who have already lost their jobs due to the carbon tax. The ABC is well past its use by date. It sees Australia through its perverted lens of self-loathing. The large fortune that is spent keeping the beast alive would be better spent paying off Labor’s legacy of debt.
Consumer confidence took a dive when Australians realised that the Government was pressing ahead with the carbon tax. It is hard to be positive when you realise the Government is doing its best to destroy the economy. Long term damage to the economy from this tax has been going on for years, but is now accelerating.
Ideally, there could be a very good outcome from this carbon tax debacle. It is not enough to merely put things back the way they were before this particular lot of Australia-haters came along. We must use this opportunity – your righteous anger – to unleash the Furies on those who failed us, and those who conspired against us.
There are so many wrongs that need to be righted if we are to make Australia the earthly paradise it is meant to be. So let’s right those wrongs. It is not enough to simply defeat this tax. Let’s not put up with the system that took Australia down the road to disaster.
Let’s have a good cleanout. It requires effort on your part. Coming here today is only the beginning. Many of you are shareholders, and many of the companies you are invested in have sold their souls to get their snouts into the carbon trough. Make their lives hell. They deserve it. Hound the directors until they recant.
As for any politicians who have ever believed in global warming, or supported the carbon tax, or a carbon-constrained economy, there is no hope for them. They are either too stupid or incompetent to be taken seriously. Merely recanting, at this late stage, won’t be enough. Make their lives hell too, just as they wished a diminished life on you.
Australia will soon face some big challenges as the world enters one of its most turbulent periods. Just maintaining our standard of living in the face of those challenges will require a lot of rigor. We will only get the required level of rigor if we demand it. Firstly of ourselves, and then of the politicians we choose to represent us. Even then, keeping Australia safe and secure and happy will take our eternal vigilance.
Gillard is just like Obama. The destruction of the continent is of no consequence to her. Her loathing of Western society and Christianity specifically trumps all. She would put everyone in shackles if she could.
How in this world did we ever get to this point……………………..
Words of a wise man.
The endgame has started.
V for victory!
David’s speech is so well put, I can’t think of anything that would improve it. I am so pleased to see Australians fighting back, we are a young but great nation, but the more we let these green socialists rule this nation, the further into poverty we will be.
Australua should be proud of its bountiful resources and utilise them to be a strong nation, in past history many countries have beeb invaded for alot less. So thankyou David from this proud aussie who lives in tropical north Queensland who although understands the beauty of Australia, wants to see us “moving forward” towards an even stronger economy. Not like Miss Gillard and her folly who are “moving forward” into a great depression.
It was NEVER about science.
Steamboat Jack (Jon Jewett’s evil twin)
Whoa! Not pulling any punches. About time. I hope the highly independent truckers take him at his word.
The bigest snowstorm in almost 20 years is going to hit New Zealand on Monday.
Here in Christchurch we may get 40cm or more making it an historic snowstorm.
This will be the 2nd storm in 3 weeks. The last one we had 16cm and that was far more here than in 1993.We have not had since the 1880s two bad snown storms in one year in Chch.
As an Aus citizen & a small business owner, all I can do is wish you luck.
Gods speed & may you be heard!
This is going to be massive. And thanks to Al “I invented the internet” Gore, social networks like FaceBook are bringing the protest to where it needs to be heard, Canberra. There are convoys from all over Aus, heading for Canberra. I cannot go, cannot take time off work.
Given the financial situation in the US and now Italy bites AU$62 billion austerity bullet and France, possibly, on the brink of a rating downgrade from AAA to AA+, Gillard and The Greens will fins themselves out of office.
A while back, I recall seeing a link showing that these large international cement companies with huge holdings in the carbon credit markets and I recall saying to my significant other, gee that’s odd isn’t it?
Good luck my Auzzie friends, give ’em hell.
Hope you get your country back with a reality based government and soon.
Wish he’d tell us what he REALLY thinks 🙂
Gillard and the green cabal supporting her carbon tax could be history at any time. A resignation/death/stand down/defection of one or more govt mps and there will be an election. Gillard is “skating on some very thin ice”
I wonder if the people who spent the last 13 years driving around the drought affected landscape fell for the no warming story.
Powerful speech! He doesnt pull his punches, and I thank him for it.
I have friends and family in Australia, and they all say the name thing. Make no mistake, Gillard’s political career is over.
As someone who is one of the few to unfortunately live in province in Canada that has a government stupid enough to institute a carbon tax, ( and then had the leader resign in humiliation after several other disasters,) I fully support the Australians in their drive to defeat the carbon tax. Keep it up!
I am joining the convoy in Brisbane. The Gillard government continues to embarrass Australians at every turn of the wheel. Say YES to an election.
I love these guys:
the circle involved in the conspiracy just gets larger and larger. Now it’s the BOM, the CSIRO, the ABC, the corporations and the government. Only David Arcibald can lead us to salvation.
But I have bad news. It’s even worse than you imagined. It seems the circle involved in the conspiracy is even larger than this — in fact the whole of reality is involved in the conspiracy.
So we need discipline and rigor to defend our imaginings. Only a vicious police state lead by David Archibald can save us.
meanwhile, the MSM told us yesterday that the PM won over the very odd audience who attended what was supposed to be a Murdoch Sky News carbon (dioxide) tax forum in vehemently-opposed Perth, West Australia this week.
12 Aug: Sky News: No better time for a carbon tax – PM
In a state where federal Labor holds only three of the 15 seats and opposition to the carbon tax has been made clear, Ms Gillard was expected to be greeted by a hostile reception.
But in a possible sign people had moved on from the issue of the carbon tax, nearly half of the questions directed to Ms Gillard were topics such as food labelling, same-sex marriage, cannabis and aged care…
http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=649357&vId=
at least Sky’s Ben Harvey managed to blog – if not broadcast – on this strange assembly:
12 Aug: Sky News Blog: Ben Harvey: Forget that carbon stuff, just let gay partners get hitched
If there is one lesson Julia Gillard can take away from last night’s meeting it is that West Australians don’t seem that interested in putting a price on industrial emissions.
We are, however, keen to marry our lesbian or homosexual life partners, smoke dope to make us feel better when we are sick and secure Federal funding for whitewater rafting facilities.
For a community meeting which was meant to be about the carbon tax, there were a lot of questions which required the Prime Minister to preface her answer with the words: “That is a little off-field.”
Take Josh, for example. The amiable young bloke from the eastern suburbs must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when he was selected to be part of the meeting with the PM.
He clearly didn’t give a hoot about the carbon tax but thought Ms Gillard should stump up $5 million so he and his mates could go whitewater rafting at Champion Lakes in Armadale.
Southern suburbs dad Jason wanted to know whether the Prime Minister was open to the idea of seriously ill people being able to alleviate their pain by smoking cannabis. He even constructed a nifty carbon tax segue, arguing that the production of life-saving drugs was carbon intensive.
“Most of my questions about the carbon tax have already been answered, so I am going off topic,” one woman declared, before reading from a pre-prepared question on same-sex marriage worded so precisely it suggests she was never, ever going to ask anything about an emissions trading scheme.
Minutes later, a well-spoken young man again broached the subject of gay rights, asking how the Government could, in good conscience, tax his relationship with his partner but not recognise it through marriage…
COMMENT BY DFB: My god, where did they find this bunch of clowns?
REPLY TO DFB BY Bomber: at a labor party meeting, oh sorry, that was a labor party meeting.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/benharvey/post/24/comment/1/
Well said, David, but we can’t relax yet as some people seem to think.
The convoy of no confidence: democracy in action. The power of the people is what they must face for defying us.
The Government in Australia – Labor/Green/Independent is hanging on by a majority of one member of Parliament. It will only take one Labor member to die / be involved in scandal / resign / retire to bring the government down. There’s always a good chance of that.
If this happens Tony Abbot and the conservatives will gain government. The best thing that they could do would be to force a double dissolution of both houses of Parliament. In a new election the Greens would be annihilated, Labor would have a very small amount of members and the conservative parties would have control of both houses. -= Then a return to sanity.
“LazyTeenager says:
August 12, 2011 at 7:01 pm”
You don’t live in Australia do you? There’s plenty of water in Australia however, where it mostly falls is not where it is mostly needed. Twice as much rain falls on Sydney than London. There is also the artesian water basin that could supply water to Sydney for 500 years, without being replenished with rainfall etc. Not sure where you are getting your “no warming over 13 years” here in Aus, it certainly hasn’t been warmer than 1998. The Western Australian river Ord can fill Sydney harbour in 6 minutes. Yes, it is a dry land, but you need to look at where most of the water is, and where people need it.
Remember now.. it is not global warming.. Julia Gillard and Bob Brown have changed their tact and are calling it “climate change”. It means that any proof you give about the world not warming can be negated by them just saying it is a “changing” climate..
they change the way they present things to make it more and more difficult to “prove” them wrong.
I mean who can argue that the worlds climate is changing? Of course it is and it has been for eternity…
Very good speech. BTW I have been collecting links to the various pages associated with the convoy, see my link. the utter lack of traditional media coverage on this so far is something to behold, its like they are almost in denial…. Really hope this will be the shot in the arm the public needs.
Why are lazyteenagers posts allowed through? If I was mod I’d just delete them.
Best Speech ever.
If each trucker is willing to pay for a towing fine and impound cost then they could stop the city for a long time. Drive downtown, park anywhere in the middle of a road and walk (to save the environment) to the protest, and then walk to a park and set up a tent and a bbq. It would be great if you could get the tow truck drivers to do it also. Liberty is not free, never was and never will be. Individually it will cost a bit, collectively a lot, but the visility would be Global and the effect could last for over a week while the greens tried to figure out how to move a thousand 50,000 kilo tractor trailers with a Prius and a length of twine. Such a move would get global news coverage and it would cost you about the same as taking the family to a game.
Go for it.
This is still a great (and easy) read. Yes, it’s “fiction,” but is more believable with real science. It helps that the authors are scientists, too. Articles like this one by Mr. Watts still remind me of the phrase, “Throw another log on the fire.” We were warned…
http://www.webscription.net/p-137-fallen-angels.aspx
Darren Parker:
Personally, I love reading the warmists posts. They almost always show a complete lack of understanding, or familiarity with reality. It’s the same with the science types… let them talk! Their words are our strongest asset.
Darren Parker says: August 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm
“If I was mod I’d just delete them.”
Let me fix that.
If I was mod at Real Climate I’d just delete them.
I do not think this site uses censorship to control ideas or questions on a topic. We need to hear and understand the delusions of some to realize the clarity of others.
“The great unwashed meet the ruling class in wrecktacular style.”
What we need the most at the moment is American tune to dance to.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAPRrdgYU7o&w=640&h=390]
I call on all skeptics to join with me in repudiating this speech.
I was inclined to give him considerable credence, as Anthony introduces him as ‘my friend, David Archibald’, but his claim ‘The one hundred parts per million that we have added to the atmosphere in the last one hundred years has heated the planet by one tenth of a degree’ is so far from established measurements as to destroy his credibility.
The alarmists embrace every crazy who will hold to their conclusion. That stance does their long term credibility much more harm than good. Let’s not make the same mistake.
I’m Australian, skeptical, and opposed to the carbon tax.
But the further claim: and ‘We will add another hundred parts per million over the next fifty years. The total of two tenths of a degree will be very welcome by mid-century.’ is unjustified assertion with even less support than the alarmists’ models (something I’d hitherto been unable to conceive of.)
He speaks well, and I hope he succeeds in his goals. But unsubstantiated claims are not the way to go.
Of course if there is evidence to suport his claims I’d be delighted to learn of it.
Sorry, mods. My second attempt to embed the vid also failed.
Here we go for the third time:
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAPRrdgYU7o&w=560&h=349%5D
Reply: Just go to Youtube, hover over the video, right click, select “Copy embed html” and then paste it into the comment field. I fixed your original comment above. JTF
LazyTeenager says:
August 12, 2011 at 7:01 pm
“I wonder if the people who spent the last 13 years driving around the drought affected landscape fell for the no warming story.”l
You don’t really equate lack of rain fall with climate/global warming, do you?
Sheesh – You really are an intellectually lazy teenager, aren’t you?
Oh, well!
Hey Lazy Teenager, did you hear that the latest installment of Mad Max (Road Warrior in the States) has been cancelled after waiting 3 years for the Aussie desert to look like a desert again.
Production taken to the States because central Oz has been too green for the last few years.
p.s. Droughts are caused by a lack of rain. That lack of moisture in the ground also causes higher temperatures (Lockart et al 2009) so yes some parts of Oz had higher Ts over the last 20 years, but this had very little to do with my SUV
Lazyteenager says:
“I wonder if the people who spent the last 13 years driving around the drought affected landscape fell for the no warming story.”
I can see why you call yourself Lazyteenager. The people who spent the last 13 years in drought have spent this year and part of last year in floods and heavy rains. If you weren’t Lazyteenager you might have found this out. This year and part of last, areas of the East coast of Australiawere flooded and this year the rainfall has been well above average. Prof Tim Flannery, the governments climate change commissioner, is on record as saying in 2007 that Sydney dams would be dry in 2 years. The following year they were at 66% capacity and currently are at 79% capacity. These drought and floods were commented on by Dorothy McKellar in her poem which starts: “I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. …” This was written well before 1968. Just shows that droughts and floods occurred in Australia long before the advent of James Hansen and Al Gore. However LAzy teenager I don’t expect you know the poem if your general knowledge is as good as your knowledge of Australia’s climate
dont forget the biggest rally in australia history will be held on 16th of august at 12 noon in canberra its your country and your future dont lrt the fabiens control us .www.stopcarbonlies.com
Australia has droughts??? Who knew. California has droughts? Wow. It must have been Paradise for the Indians before civilization.
Except for the fact it wasn’t. There is drought in the middle east that is going on 7,000 years. We now know there were droughts in Arizona (Hmmm. wonder what them foreign words mean?) for 300 years, And California for 200.
And this asinine moron who calls himself Lazy is concerned about a so-called drought that was likely ended in 2009?
Moron.
Lazy Teenager…lazy thinking.
I suspect he/she will give up the strange beliefs as more and more evidence of the hoax piles up.
That’s the easy path… lazy people prefer the easy path.
Darren Parker says:
August 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm
“Why are lazyteenagers posts allowed through? If I was mod I’d just delete them.”
Because this is WUWT and its run by Anthony not RealClimate as run by Gavin “Eraser” Schmidt .
@ Lazy teenager
May I remind you of Dorothea McKellar’s 1906 poem:
I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of drought and flooding rains,
and persuade you to accept the fact that the recent drought was not evidence of Global Warming. People who claim it is, make themselves look ignorant, deceived or dishonest.
You critique David’s speech with the words “the circle involved in the conspiracy just gets larger and larger.” In doing so, you ascribe to him opinions that he has not stated, and that I doubt he holds.
The failure of social institutions is not the implausibility you seem to imply. Quick examples off the top of my head – I’m sure the Khmer Rouge didn’t start out as a conspiracy to murder a third of the Cambodian people, the ‘Great Leap Forward’ was not intended to starve 40 million Chinese, and Churches did not conspire to practice child abuse. That massive failure of education, ‘post-modernist theory’, was not a conspiracy by English teachers, no matter how much it might have resembled one from the outside. Yet its effects were every bit as bad as if it had been.
By now you’ve probably already regretted your words “So we need discipline and rigor to defend our imaginings. Only a vicious police state lead by David Archibald can save us.”
Whether or not you have reconsidered, may I recommend that in Internet discussion you cite your opponents exact words? I have often been chastened to discover that the claim to which I have prepared a devastating riposte was actually never made by my opponent in the first place.
If David proposed to descend upon you with armed force and charge you $23 dollars for every extra ton of coal you didn’t burn, so that you’d comply with his vision of the future, then you would have a point. But refusing compulsion to do what others want doesn’t compel them in any way at all. You can still cut back your carbon footprint as far as you want.
Your sarcastic proposition that ‘the whole of reality is involved’ (in a conspiracy) suggests that you think reality has been matching the models forecasts. It hasn’t. The only example I can think of is Tamino’s predictions on Arctic ice extent, and even he admits that it was as much by good luck as good management.
Take some time and browse through the ‘climate fail’ pages of this blog. At least then you will be better able to understand where your conversational opponents are coming from, and the evidence that supports their view. And how very badly the models have already failed.
I wish to extend my congratulations to Anthony and the moderators for keeping this blog open to the viewpoints of all sides of the debate, provided it is done with civility. That openness grants him enormous credibility. Those who censor the views they disagree with cannot be trusted. Whether it’s Tamino, Real Climate, or the University of East Anglia.
I fully support the Convoy of No Confidence and hope that it has an impact, I don’t hold much hope in it making Gillard see reason, though as she is a committed Fabian socialist and her course is set.
Julia will have to be removed from office before too much damage is done by her government as the Fabians take their name and their strategic thinking from Quintus Fabius Maximus, he’s the Roman general who fought a war of attrition and harassment against Hannibal and the same kind of war of attrition is being used against us. They’re never bold enough to raise the red banner, just sneaky enough to always be chipping away at our freedoms.
You can see a bit of Gillard in this Fabius quote. With emphasis on opinion.
“To be turned from one’s course by men’s opinions, by blame, and by misrepresentation shows a man unfit to hold an office.” Except she’s not a bloke.
John-in-Oz says:
August 12, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Oh ye of little faith! Drink deeply from this well of knowledge – my lectures this year at the Institute of World Politics, a graduate school in Washington for the CIA and State Department:
http://www.iwp.edu/news_publications/detail/australian-scientist-lectures-on-climate-and-energy-security
http://www.iwp.edu/news_publications/detail/scientist-david-archibald-speaks-with-iwp-students
Bringing it all together:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/13/archibald-climate-forecast-to-2050/
Keep the lights burning Oz. Rooting for you all the way.
I hope they pass by us in Sydney on the way. I’ll be there to cheer them on!
UK Sceptic says:
August 13, 2011 at 12:21 am
Ummm…… “Rooting” has a slightly different connotation down here. The Kevin Bloody Wilson song ‘Rooting in the back of the Ute’ may shed some light on its usage downunder:
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4WViwAL4wQ&w=425&h=349%5D
Australia is run on the Road train and there must be thousands of them out there. Gillard takes these drivers on at her peril.
Come on Australia wake up and vote Gillard and her minnions OUT OF POWER!
I can’t get over to Aus right now, but I’ll be there in spirit. Go Aussie!
UKSceptic: I knew what you meant, but it is funny!
LazyTeenager says:
August 12, 2011 at 7:01 pm
I wonder if the people who spent the last 13 years driving around the drought affected landscape fell for the no warming story.
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nah, they didn’t sport..
they know about natural cycles of drought and floods.
are you really so thick?
or just stirring the possum?
heres an example I prefer to mc kellars.
http://www.cattlefacts.com.au/Poem%20Said%20Hanrahan.asp
first verse but it gets even better:-) go look
P J Hartigan (John O’Brien) – Australian Bush Poetry
Said Hanrahan
PJ Hartigan © by John O’Brien
“We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan in accents most forlorn,
Outside the church, ere Mass began one frosty Sunday morn.
The congregation stood about coat-collars to the ears,
And talked of stock, and crops, and drought as it had done for years.
“It’s looking crook,” said Daniel Croke; “Bedad, it’s cruke, me lad,
For never since the banks went broke has seasons been so bad.”
Australia has a history of throwing up political extremes, from the Bolshevik-inspired ‘Red Feds’ of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries to the current government which has lost touch with reality and the electorate. But good sense and down-to-earth realism usually win the day in the end for Australians and I see The Convoy as the latest upwelling of that huge fund of good sense and realism from the Australian voters which will make the current government face facts and follow the wishes of the electorate.
Lazy teenager:
“I wonder if the people who spent the last 13 years driving around the drought affected landscape fell for the no warming story.”
I guess you’re too young to realise that droughts have been a regular feature of the Australian climate, ever since climatic events have been recorded:
http://www.bom.gov.au/lam/climate/levelthree/c20thc/drought.htm
I remember growing up in Australia during the 60s drought.
Andrew30 says:
August 12, 2011 at 8:59 pm
If each trucker is willing to pay for a towing fine and impound cost then they could stop the city for a long time. Drive downtown, park anywhere in the middle of a road and walk (to save the environment) to the protest, and then walk to a park and set up a tent and a bbq. It would be great if you could get the tow truck drivers to do it also. Liberty is not free, never was and never will be. Individually it will cost a bit, collectively a lot, but the visility would be Global and the effect could last for over a week while the greens tried to figure out how to move a thousand 50,000 kilo tractor trailers with a Prius and a length of twine. Such a move would get global news coverage and it would cost you about the same as taking the family to a game.
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There’s no need to pay anything. At some point, before or after the protest, just arrange for everyone to head for the same point in central Canberra. This will cause a traffic jam that can be kept going by continually trying to return to the same point. If turned back, just double back as soon as possible. A number of potential targets could be agreed upon at the beginning leading, to a series of gridlocks.
Democracy in action.
When the world began recovering from the cold of the Dalton Minumum (1790-1838), there were famines and potato blights across Europe—the potato blight was not unique to Ireland (The Great Famine 1845-1852).
Famine creates hunger, and hungry populaces have a tendency to riot and create political upheaval. (The Irish didn’t have a chance: they were exported by their British landlords) If you want a foretaste of what we are in for in about 25-30 years time, research and read the history of Europe during the Hungry Forties. (1838-1850)
—the French declared the Second Republic in 1848 and ousted the new aristocracy. Bismark began the unification of Germany 12 years later (1850) . The Irish Diaspora of the 1850s when they migrated in large numbers around the world, with many settling in the USA. Famine and hunger were behind a most of this.
Andrew30 says:
August 12, 2011 at 8:59 pm
If each trucker is willing to pay for a towing fine and impound cost then they could stop the city for a long time. Drive downtown, park anywhere in the middle of a road and walk (to save the environment) to the protest, and then walk to a park and set up a tent and a bbq. It would be great if you could get the tow truck drivers to do it also. Liberty is not free, never was and never will be. Individually it will cost a bit, collectively a lot, but the visility would be Global and the effect could last for over a week while the greens tried to figure out how to move a thousand 50,000 kilo tractor trailers with a Prius and a length of twine. Such a move would get global news coverage and it would cost you about the same as taking the family to a game.
Go for it.============
its a great idea, I can imagine it…simply brilliant
problem is setting up that tent and having a barbie, is also an offence, 2x.
and then theyd have a go for loitering,
another fine.
mate- folks here do NOT realize how close to comm/soc/fasc ist it already is here with so many rules and regs its hardly worth leaving the house..
and if it isn’t illegal,
then theres always a law and a fee to get permission. or?
a TAX, on everything, inc the AIR.
they’ve tagged most of our herd and would love to do the same to us.
smartmeter our every move it feels.( and an ongoing fine for non compliance)
doesn’t much feel a free society when the govt of the day, actively considers censoring the one newspaper telling any unadorned NONCarbon items of science, or even daring to suggest there can be any view- but theirs.
when the ABC ridicules and refuses to present any side but PRO, even with constant prompting by the very people who pay their govt funded wages. one show only will run any oppositional views.
I want my 8c a day or whatever it is now I PAY for them to be on air, REFUNDED.
think about it.
basically they ARE employed by the govt, and yet they seem to suffer no regular checks for competance, or promotion, once your’e in they tend to stay, for decades!
one man, with his strongly pro viewpoint, seems to be controlling the science agenda there and isnt about to leave anytime soon.
David Archibald is quite correct, as a 20+ year listener I notice, and am enraged daily and listening far less, if at all.
His point on Ga and coal reserves also, we have forward contracted masses of our Natural Gas to china,
and our coal
now we have US corps grabbing for our coal, while prices are low due to..the real disaster the worlds finances/mismanagement,
again he is perfectly correct.
Adopting American style education has also dumbed our kids down nicely, they accept almost without question, as do too many under 35’s
mind you, being fair, the pommy system has some ripper biases too.
back then, the real world knocked it out of us PDQ
now – thats not PC , we may hurt someones gentle feelings.
and theres a Law and fines on that too.
Seems you lot don’t understand irony. As far as I can tell LazyTeenager is trolling. This should have been a major clue that the posts were dripping with satire:
“So we need discipline and rigor to defend our imaginings. Only a vicious police state lead by David Archibald can save us.”
While I agree with the spirit of what David Archibald is saying (The goverments has failed this tax is unfair) I don’t lend much weight to his arguments, perhaps if he backed up his statements with some independant scientific literature.
Yes labor needs to be gone but I don’t replaceing them with liberals will really leave us any better off. It’s less a choice of the lesser of two evils and more a case of wishing there was a third category.
David, thank you for the courtesy of your reply. I will review your information, and one way or another, will learn.
Apropos of learning, I’ve learnt yet again, the importance of factchecking even that which I believe to be true.
I earlier recommnded to lazy teenager that he review the ‘climate fail’ pages. I was so certain that the hundreds of documented examples would be listed there, that I didn’t think to look. Oops, there’s only the one example; the 50 to 200 million climate refugees due by last year.
Where is Hansen’s forecast the West Road would be under water, the forecasts of no more snow, the ice-free by 2010 arctic, and more? I guess we WUWT readers should carry our share of the burden, and update them. How can we go about this?
@UKSceptic with reference to Jerome..
Go at it hard, mate.. 😉
Thumbnail says:
August 12, 2011 at 7:18 pm
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thanks heaps for that clip! sent it whizzing round:-)
@ John in Oz.
LazyTeenager is probably only considering what he/she can remember.. you know, like 10 years ago. and is TOO LAZY to actually look at some actual historic weather event.
As is the name, as is the action.
@ JohninOz
Isn’t Tamino the guy who fitted a 4th order polynomial to temperatures and tried to use it as a predictor.. ?? DOH !!!!!!
“Some of us predate that and remember the heavy frosts of the nineteen seventies.”
And the 60’s and the 50’s and a bit of the 40’s.
“We must use this opportunity – your righteous anger – to unleash the Furies on those who failed us, and those who conspired against us.”
Wow. Right on, David Archibald, I’ve been waiting all my life to hear that said, and not just about climate. So are you listening, entire English-speaking world?
Meanwhile, good luck to the convoyers. With you all the way, if only in spirit.
Not only take down the ABC but also remove the pensions of the politicians in power at this time to help pay for the huge debts that they have brought upon us.
Why should they receive any form of payment after what they have done.
They actually should be put in front of a firing squad for the treason that they have committed.
Why the Bush is going to Canberra
source: Quadrant online
http://www.quadrant.org.au/
Janet (in video) and Matt Thompson would be remembered by WUWT and Jo Nova readers. Their small business, cattle feedlot in Western Australia was crippled by activists and the government depts [in]action.
One would also hope that Noel Pearson of Cape York and colleagues following the legislative debacle of the Wild Rivers are also driving to Canberra; for freedom and democracy.
“In fact, the temperature of planet today is almost the same as it was when satellites first started measuring it in 1979.”
So, I guess even Roy Spencer’s data doesn’t tell the truth?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
All these skeptics here, including Anthony, but no one questions this?
Credibility? None.
Seems to me that LazyTeenager is aptly named as it is obviously his brain which is not working.
“DeanL says:
August 13, 2011 at 4:41 am”
Proven and continuing accuracy of these since 1979? Hummm…
Lazteenager,
The common thread is government money. They all will be benificaries of the tax on a benevolent gas.
DeanL,
What would you say if I felt that yesterday’s high temperature of 21 deg C and today’s high temerature of 21.5 deg C are “almost the same”?
Maybe someone can help me out here. I recall several years ago a British news outlet (may have even been the BBC!) conducted man-in-the-street interviews about AGW. They asked the interviewees to estimate how much the globe had warmed. The “believers” almost uniformly estimated multiple degrees. When told the “true” value, they blankly stared at the camera.
Anyone else remember that? I’m afraid my google skills don’t seem to be up to the task this AM.
DeanL says:
August 13, 2011 at 4:41 am
I don’t know about where you are but here in Cambridgeshire UK the average monthly temperature for 1979 was 21.8 . This year it is 21.1!
DeanL says:
August 13, 2011 at 4:41 am
I don’t know about where you are but here in Cambridgeshire UK the average July monthly temperature for 1979 was 21.8 . This year it is 21.1
Wow, I do wonder why you keep returning here and posting your often wild hyperbole, only to be shot down by people with just a little more understanding and academic capability than you are wont to display.
Just how lazy are you? Very it would seem because you are fond of making statements about things that you’d like to believe without any understanding or research to see if the things you say are factual.
I suspect that your experience of Australia is as much as your experience of China. Which will be none given your comments about Chinese air pollution recently implied that China is a smog-ridden hellhole where none can breathe ignoring the fact that whilst emerging industrial cites like Beijing do indeed have a localised air quality issue this is no different from Los Angeles in the 70’s and other large cites as they went through their industrial booms. You can talk about aerosols all day but localised air pollution is not an issue of climate. I can take you to parts of china which will make the likes of Yellowstone Park or the UK’s lake district look like industrial garbage tips in comparison. Do some research before you speak. I digress.
Now, on to Australia. I presume that you mean the Australian interior? I doubt you mean Northern Australia where much of the land is tropical rainforest.
As for the Interior that’s kind of how it works in a desert and there are not so many people driving around the Simpson desert bemoaning the state of the place due to global warming and lack of water. It;s always been a vast, sandy desert as far as man is concerned.
You may as well have said:
“tell that to the caravan trains crossing the sahara desert”
as it carries as much weight.
As for the other parts of the interior where have you been? if there is one thing Australia does not need right now it’s more water. take a look at NASA’s pictures of the other Australian desert areas of Strzelecki Desert, Sturt Stony Desert and Tirari Desert. I urge you to compare last year with this year. These are infra-red contrast enhanced images designed to differentiate between land and water. As you are so lazy I’ll make it simple for you. The darker it is the wetter it is.
Flooding in the Australian Interior: Natural hazards
Also here is a handy google earth image of the interior where I have included the major roads so that you can see just where people are actually driving around as opposed to what’s happening in your head. The majority of people driving to the interior are on camping and sightseeing trips. It’s not a hubbub of civilisation, full of people starved of water as you seem to want to imply.
Australian Interior
I believe the Americans have a saying for people like you and it has something to do with partaking of the Kool-Aid. I suggest that you do a little research rather than just accept the mantra of a few heavily invested individuals such As Romm, Serreze, Schmidt and Hansen from 3rd hand comments on blogs who’s diligence is a little less thorough than here at WUWT. I dare you, you might learn something.
There’s no way I’ll miss being part of the Election Now Convoy…it is time for fair dinkum Aussies to stand up and protect their rights. Over the years, many people have worked so hard to ensure a bright future for this country only to have it ripped apart by this diabolical Labor/Green/Independent mob of misfits. If there is one lesson I’ve learned from my ancestors it is to work hard, work long and leave a better place for future generations. We will not be intimidated by people who do not like what we stand for, and that is freedom and democracy!!
To Our Aussie Friends,
What can those of us in the US of A do to add weight to the impact of your rally/protest/rejection of the AGW nonsense and the soul sucking politicians that support it? We’ve fought side by side in nearly every war and we find our selves engaged again in a mutual war against junk science and socialist political opportunism. How can we ‘guard your flanks’ during your frontal assault on this stupidity?
Gillard seems like she’s completely insane.
Things are not so great in America right now but I cannot fathom why you Aussies put up with this AGW loon Gillard and her nutso cronies.
If David Archibald is all the Australians have then I’m afraid they’re toast – OK cold toast.
Canada did not import any wheat back in the cold 1970s. It started in the warming 1980s and it has been increasing every year, despite warmer weather. Go figure that.
http://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?country=ca&commodity=wheat&graph=imports
How will shutting down the ABC eliminate Australia’s debt problem? I doubt most of those people could find work anywhere else.
Australia has one of the highest standards of living in the world, higher by income per capita than even Canada (another rich exporting nation).
Australia has a high number of people in government – the government represents a high percentage of the countries GDP. How did Australia get to where it is now? Very, very slowly. This is not something that happened over night.
“No one under the age of 32 has experienced global warming.” That should be global cooling.
If the recent warming can be described as “minuscule” then the impending cooling must also be described as minuscule. Warmista 101.
“Ideally, there could be a very good outcome from this carbon tax debacle. It is not enough to merely put things back the way they were before this particular lot of Australia-haters came along. We must use this opportunity – your righteous anger – to unleash the Furies on those who failed us, and those who conspired against us.”
This is revenge of the coldistas. Australia should reduce the size of its government – not just kill the ABC – and stop its death march to socialism. No new taxes. Less government. And stop crapping on CO2. Coal is feeding your children.
Lazyteenager, what are your thoughts about human nutrition? Not to change the subject, but your posts remind me of unquestioned faith in the fad regarding eating raw food versus cooked food as being the only path to a healthy diet. Or the “supplements” craze. Or that genetically non-engineered is to be preferred over engineered food crops as being more nutritious. Or that corn sugar is bad, real sugar is good claim. And my fav, sea salt is somehow better than table salt. None of these fads have any kind of double blind gold standard studies backing up beneficial claims. Yet is seems to me that folks who have drunk from the koolaid bowl of AGW also buy into other unsubstantiated health fads.
Very well spoken, David, plenty thanks!
I think it’s most appropriate to broaden the geografic limits outside of Australia and apply the wording with some changes, i,e,: Sweden for Australia, Swedish for Australian, SVT/SR for ABC, Reinfeld for Gillard, and so on… Guess (I’m rather sure…) that same can be accurate for more countries in the EUssr…
Brgds from Sweden!
//ThomasJ
Garry says:
August 13, 2011 at 10:33 am
Gillard seems like she’s completely insane.
Sure she’s insane, but at least the great unwashed of Ozland appreciate the fact and are rising up against her.
Here in the UK the fancifully entitled “Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change”, Chris Huhne is also insane, and is singlehandedly destroying both our energy security and the UK’s already shaky economy. Meanwhile the population stands meekly by watching him do it without raising a single objection.
And yet yields for all crops, including wheat have steadily increased.
Go figure that.
http://www.choicesmagazine.org/magazine/fig/figure_176_full.jpg
http://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?country=ca&commodity=wheat&graph=yield
Gillard (and Obama) would do well to listen to what Burtrend Russel said many years ago.
Bertrand Russell – Social Cohesion & Human Nature (Part 6) :
Australia escaped most of the effects of the banking crisis. it only seems fair that the Australian government should cripple their economy and make Australians debt slaves like the rest of us in the developed world!
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I used to read [and dismiss] excitable blogs about a ‘power elite’ taking over the world. However if you take the adage ‘the only way to enslave a free man is through debt’ then look again a the developed world : The banking crisis took out the US and much of Europe. Once Germany underwrites the Eurozone debt then that’s the whole of Europe wrapped up. AGW, which has been politics rather than science for a long time, could be regarded as a backup plan to enslave any remaining pockets, such as Australia and New Zealand, through debt. While I still remain skeptical about a ‘secret power elite’ I just wish it didn’t fit so many facts!
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With regards to AGW I am still really puzzled as to why so many politicians around the world are so hell bent on damaging their economies and so destroying the lives of their people for no perceptible gain. If totally succesful then the policies of the Australian government [and here in the UK] may reduce global temperature by less than one hundredth of a degree centigrade. They ignore the lack of warming for the past 15 years, they ignore all the science which calls in to question the basis of AGW, they ignore the ineffectiveness of wind and solar power and the amount of wealth people make from them, they ignore the financial companies slavering over how many billions they will make from trading carbon credits [and the [other?] professional criminals who scam the odd 100 million!]. It is truly bizarre – I just wish I knew who is pressing their buttons, and how.
John M says:
August 13, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Canada did not import any wheat back in the cold 1970s. It started in the warming 1980s and it has been increasing every year, despite warmer weather. Go figure that.
And yet yields for all crops, including wheat have steadily increased.
Go figure that.
It’s because the land is being converted to vinyards John.
The solution for the ABC is simple and obvious. At present it serves the green tinged welfare state followers and the idealistic academic clique whose thoughts can be followed daily on the ABC Drum.
When this shambles of a government is swept out of Canberra we should not close down the ABC (that WOULD be police state). I am all for choice. But I also totally object to having to pay for an organisation that continually promotes causes totally abhorrent to my philosophy. Just let those that want it pay for it. I suggest the powers at be still run it and it remain commercial free but their budget be predicated by an annual ABC levy made on everybody’s annual tax return. The only difference would be that you would have a choice to pay or NOT pay the levy.
I think we would soon see some balance appearing in the public broadcaster – and a lot more efficiency.
Lazy Teenagers are irrelevant. Get an education, a job, preferably both, and contribute to society maybe for ten years first before you attempt to spew your sanctimonious drivel to those of us who actually live in the real world.
“Canada will go from being a large exporter of grain to becoming a frequent importer.”
Canada is the world’s second largest exporter of grain. It exports 2/3-3/4 of its total production. Does the author really think Canada’s production will fall by such a large amount? Not without an ice age, I would wager.
This sort of statement calls into question the credibility of the post.
Here are a few posts from WUWT on the topic:
Jimbo says:
January 24, 2011 at 7:50 am
What you people don’t understand is that all science researchers, no matter what field, are jumping on the global warming bandwagon in a wild feeding frenzy of funds. Here is where some of the research funding went.
Warmer Northern Hemisphere winters because of global warming
Colder Northern Hemisphere winters because of global warming
Global warming to slow down the Earth’s rotation
Global warming to speed up the Earth’s rotation
North Atlantic Ocean has become less salty
North Atlantic Ocean has become more salty
Avalanches may increase
Avalanches may reduce
Plants move uphill due to global warming
Plants move downhill due to global warming
Declining coral calcification on the Great Barrier Reef due to global warming
Increasing coral calcification on the Great Barrier Reef due to global warming
Jimbo says:
April 3, 2011 at 5:03 am
Based partly on the models it’s much worse than we thought!
Amazon drought may be caused by cleaner air
Antarctica ice growth not linked to ozone
Arctic sea ice may not be in death spiral
Fisheries in Australia to thrive? or maybe not.
Great Barrier Reef boomed after bleaching
Natural disasters have not been increasing
Worldwide methane concentrations flattening?
Water scarcity has triggered peace treaties
[See also Geographical perspectives]
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/03/new-video-global-warmings-effects-a-to-z/
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
A Complete List Of Things Supposedly
Caused By Global Warming
Oops, the embedded links in Jimbo’s posts didn’t carry over. Here are links to his original posts:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/24/another-mankind-as-evil-carbonator-even-way-back-then-study/#comment-581958
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/03/the-big-self-parodying-climate-change-blame-list/#comment-635018
@ John-in-Oz: Here’s more:
Slabadang (18:42:24) :
AGW theories total collapse!
The gulf stream were slowing down……WRONG!
Antarctic ice melting…………………………WRONG!
Arctic ice in a “death spiral…………………WRONG!
The earth is warming…………………………WRONG!
More severe storms and hurricanes……..WRONG!
More flooding…………………………………..WRONG!
The sealevels are raisng more rapidly…WRONG!
Glaciers melting faster than previous….WRONG!
Amazonas……………………………………….WRONG!
Kilimanjaro………………………………………WRONG!
Dutch area under water……………………..WRONG!
Scientific consensus about global W/co2…Thats more a joke??? WRONG!
Winter snow a thing of the past…. another joke!!! WRONG!
“Barbecue summer” ………another joke!!! WRONG!
There will be a hotspot in the atmospfere….WRONG!
When co2 inreases warming accours…. WRONG!
African harvests …………………………WRONG!
Polarbears dying by global warming……a pure lie by WWF………WRONG!
Low summer ice extent arctic 2007 =global warming …WRONG!
Mediaval coooler than today ……oh yeah? say that to the vikings and the 400 published papers on the matter……an embarrasing intellectual insult..WRONG!
The hockeystick…….falsification in its bluntest form …WRONG!!!
A C Osborn (06:44:27) :
Slabadang (18:42:24) :
I agree with your list except I think this
The earth is warming…………………………WRONG!
Should have been
The earth is showing Unprecedented warming……WRONG!
Also you missed –
Coral dying from Heat – (actually dying from cold) …..WRONG!
More Animals dying from Heat – (actually dying from cold) …..WRONG!
More Collateral Damage from weather extremes…WRONG!
US Lakes Drying up…………………………WRONG!
Spring Coming earlier…………………………WRONG!
More Humans dying from Heat – (actually dying from cold) …..WRONG!
Frogs extinct from AGW – (actually a virus) …..WRONG!
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Grant says:
June 28, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Seems like 10 years is a good number for harbingers of doom.
Ted Danson The “seas will be unhabital in 10 years”,
“The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.”
More from http://www.richardabarrett.com/?p=195
1990 Actress Meryl Streep ”By the year 2000–that’s less than ten years away–earth’s climate will be warmer than it’s been in over 100,000 years. If we don’t do something, there’ll be enormous calamities in a very short time.”
January 1970 Life Magazine ”Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support …the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
July 9, 1971, Washington Post “In the next 50 years fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to ten years, could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
June 30, 1989, Associated Press U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER, SAYS GREENHOUSE EFFECT COULD WIPE SOME NATIONS OFF MAP–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of “eco-refugees,” threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.
1991 Edward Goldsmith, 5000 Days to Save the Planet ”By 2000, British and American oil will have diminished to a trickle….Ozone depletion and global warming threaten food shortages, but the wealthy North will enjoy a temporary reprieve by buying up the produce of the South. Unrest among the hungry and the ensuing political instability, will be contained by the North’s greater military might. A bleak future indeed, but an inevitable one unless we change the way we live….At present rates of exploitation there may be no rainforest left in 10 years. If measures are not taken immediately, the greenhouse effect may be unstoppable in 12 to 15 years.”
April 22, 1990 ABC, The Miracle Planet “I think we’re in trouble. When you realize how little time we have left–we are now given not 10 years to save the rainforests, but in many cases five years. Madagascar will largely be gone in five years unless something happens. And nothing is happening.”
March 29, 2001, CNN ”In ten years time, most of the low-lying atolls surrounding Tuvalu’s nine islands in the South Pacific Ocean will be submerged under water as global warming rises sea levels.” [Next year we’ll know if this extremely unlikely prediction comes true.]
on and on and on………kinda rolls off the tongue, that ten years.
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Jordan says:
June 19, 2011 at 11:49 pm
THC shutdown was predicted s few years ago. A tipping point caused by freshwater influx in the North Atlantic that would, ironically, cause NW Europe to become much colder – so the AGW catastrophe theory was shown to not cause uniform warming.
That one had lots of gullible people running around in circles, worrying.
Now quietly forgotten.
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Jimbo says:
June 18, 2011 at 4:15 am
Dr. Ray Pierrehumbert
“……………then the next decade we had unusually cold winters,………”
This is a sign that he knows that their initial AGW speculation about milder NH winters is utter bull. He is setting up the escape route for when NH winters get colder. In 1998 Real Climate’s Gavin Schmidt ‘speculated’ in a peer reviewed Letter To Nature about milder NH winters as a result of the greenhouse effect. Now Dr. Ray Pierrehumbert is speculating about colder winters as a result of global warming.
These people will do anything to protect their religion, even up to the extent of making it UNfalsifiable. Sickening!
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jazznick says:
June 13, 2011 at 6:17 am
Another IPCC cock-up – Osvaldo Canziani, the then deputy head of the IPCC, had warned that “Venice is destined to disappear” within decades. Er NOT !
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/13/venice_not_in_peril/
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/09/comparing-ipcc-1990-predictions-with-2011-data/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/03/the-big-self-parodying-climate-change-blame-list/
[list of contradictory peer-reviewed predictions]
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EternalOptimist says:
June 10, 2011 at 1:17 am
Isn’t life funny.
We get told that the science is settled, the models are verified, the data is not fiddled , snow will soon be a rare event and there is a consensus.
When we say ‘but this isnt like the lab and simple lab approaches miss the point and the complexity’, we get villified, called deniers and they make videos of children deniers exploding in bloody tatters.
Then when the original predictions are out by a mile, Steve says ‘ this isnt like the lab and simple lab approaches miss the point and the complexity.’
maybe, just maybe, we were right all along.
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Some of Tim’s Predictions
The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009.”
Current Adelaide dam levels – 84%
In June 2007, Flannery prophesied “Brisbane’s water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months”.
Current Brisbane dam levels – 87%.
(The $1.3 billion desalination plant at Tugun Queensland advocated by Flannery is now in mothballs):
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/tugun-desalination-plant-to-be-mothballed-20101205-18l30.html
In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney’s dams could be dry in just two years.
Current Sydney dam levels – 72%
2004, Flannery said global warming would cause such droughts that “there is a fair chance Perth will be the 21st century’s first ghost metropolis”.
Perth to-day:
http://www.escapelocally.com.au/images/stories/perth-wa.jpg
(Although Perth dam levels are presently definitely low. Getting warm Tim.)
In 2008 he stated “This may be the Arctic’s first ice-free year”.
Sorry, Tim missed again. Even the Catlin Arctic Survey and the international conservation group WWF, believe that the Arctic will be ice free in the summer in about 20 years. I suspect even that may be wishful thinking. But the main question is why and what about the Southern Hemisphere?
What is Tim doing right now?
Tim is right at this moment in Adelaide as the Government’s Climate’s Commissioner preaching to the masses why a carbon tax is going to be good for us. I guess that this year we are stopping floods rather than droughts.
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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/wheres_that_indian_crop_failure_the_warmists_predicted
Michael in Sydney says:
February 18, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Here is a good news story on the environment.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/recovery-in-full-flow-for-murray/story-fn59niix-1226008395465
It is about the Murray river in Australia coming back to life after a decade of drought. A good reminder that natural systems are often more resilient than we give them credit for.
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johnb says:
February 12, 2011 at 10:00 am
Daily Caller has an article up (not by you) that shows the contradictions between the IPCC and Al Gore’s claim that global warming means more snow. From the article.
* “Snow season length and snow depth are very likely to decrease in most of North America … except in the northernmost part of Canada where maximum snow depth is likely to increase (Christensen et al., 2007).” (EPA)
* “Decreases in snowcover and increases in winter rain on bare soil will likely lengthen the erosion season and enhance erosion intensity.” (EPA)
* “Rising temperatures have generally resulted in rain rather than snow in locations and seasons where climatological average temperatures for 1961 to 1990 were close to freezing (0 °C).” (EPA)
* “As temperatures rise, the likelihood of precipitation falling as rain rather than snow increases, especially in autumn and spring at the beginning and end of the snow season, and in areas where temperatures are near freezing. Such changes are observed in many places, especially over land in middle and high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, leading to increased rains but reduced snowpacks.” (IPCC)
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/11/is-al-gore-wrong-on-the-environment-global-warming-is-not-to-blame-for-snow/#ixzz1Dlj4HVDL
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Urederra says:
February 4, 2011 at 10:28 am
“But no one who argues against the science of climate change has ever provided an alternative scientific theory that adequately satisfies the observable evidence or conforms to our understanding of physics, chemistry, and climate dynamics.”
And we don’t have to provide any alternative theory. A theory is bad when there is empirical data that cannot be explained by the current theory, and so far there is plenty of data that doesn’t fit with CAGW models:
-Temperatures are not rising as fast as CAGW predicts.
-Number of cyclones/hurricanes are not growing as CAGW predicts.
-Sea level rise is not accelerating as CAGW predicts.
-Ice caps are not melting as CAGW predicts, specially the south one.
-Glaciers are not melting as CAGW predicts.
-Winters are not milder as CAGW predicts.
… and on top of that, there is poor correlation between CO2 levels and temperature.
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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_the_alarmists_have_taxed_our_creduility_once_too_often/
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http://joannenova.com.au/2011/01/busted-predictions-from-brazen-prophets/#more-12595
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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/i_dont_think_the_warmists_models_are_working/
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James Sexton says:
December 30, 2010 at 9:51 am
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/30/botched-environmental-forecasts/
Eight botched climate catastrophe predictions, with a couple of statements from Ehrlich and Oppenheimer. Its a fun read, and perhaps some jewels to find in Ehrlich’s and Oppenheimer’s statements, and a possible template for a future post on WUWT?
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Verity Jones says:
December 19, 2010 at 3:33 am
There needs to be a reminder that AGW has been saying that the trend towards a Positive NAO (with mild winters in UK and Europe) was probably anthropogenic in origin and that models predicted a continuation of this tendancy. IF we revert to negative NAO dominance they cannot suddenly change their tune.
http://diggingintheclay.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/nao-is-the-winter-of-our-discontent/
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http://www.c3headlines.com/predictionsforecasts/
Hilarious!
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richcar 1225 says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:25 pm
The latest paper from Koutsoyiannis et al., compares GCM models with actual measurements of temperature history and precipitation for regional areas of the US and finds the models have failed miserably. This is what the scientific method is about.
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/section?content=a928051726&fulltext=713240928
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matt v. says:
November 4, 2010 at 8:20 am
Don Gardner wrote another interesting article called “Foredoomed is not forewarned” about the flaws of alarmist forecasts.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Foredoomed+forearmed/3663193/story.html
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Bob (Sceptical Redcoat) says:
October 22, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Climate Science (Roger Pielka Sn) reports on a new study by a group of hydrologists that compares climate models results with observations:
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/
The abstract of their paper says:
We compare the output of various climate models to temperature and precipitation observations at 55 points around the globe.We also spatially aggregate model output and observations over the contiguous USA using data from 70 stations, and we perform comparison at several temporal scales, including a climatic (30-year) scale. Besides confirming the findings of a previous assessment study that model projections at point scale are poor, results show that the spatially integrated projections are also poor.
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Bill Illis says:
October 22, 2010 at 6:06 am
I guess everyone recognizes this is just a GISS ModelE climate model output. It is based on calculations that James Hansen would have put into the model.
So generally, one either accepts James Hansen view of the world or one would ask for additional empirical data to be measured to back up the theoritical calculations (ie what we used to call the scientific method).
What does the empirical data tell us (with regard to this paper’s and the theory’s proposition that GHGs control 85% of the water vapour levels as well).
– Total specific humidity water vapour levels are completely FLAT (according to the NCEP reanalysis since 1948) or, (according to Hadcruh – Willet et al 2008 – at the highest estimate), there is an increase at about the levels expected by the theory. There is also annual variation tied closely to the ENSO. GISS ModelE would be calculating about a 1/2oth increase in specific humidity (and more-or-less constant relative humidity) over the period covered by this data.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7908/specifichumidity.png
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3537/relativehumidity.png
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcruh/CRUBLENDNEWjul08_ts_q_global7303.png
– Global Precipitation Levels are essentially FLAT since 1979 and precipitation on land is FLAT since 1950. GISS ModelE would be predicting about a 1.5% increase over the time period covered by this data.
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8974/trenberthprecipitation.png
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2026/riverdischargeandprecip.png
– And there has been a general decline in the level of cloudiness according to the ISCCP project – GISS ModelE would be predicting about a 1% increase in cloudiness over the period covered by this data.
http://isccp.giss.nasa.gov/zD2BASICS/B8glbp.anomdevs.jpg
http://isccp.giss.nasa.gov/climanal7.html
So, on the whole, the theory and ModelE is not matching up to the empirical data.
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Andrew30 says:
October 3, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Someone replied to one of my comments of a MSM site with the following:
“Well you do realize that evidence is essentially just a successfully observed prediction.”
And directed me to http://www.skepticalscience.com.
So I bring you:
http://www.skepticalscience.com (2008) VS. http://www.skepticalscience.com (2010)
(A view from the wayback Machine.)
2008:
web.archive.org/web/20080507024314/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ocean-and-global-warming.htm
“If the ocean was feeding atmospheric warming, the oceans would be cooling.”
“The other consequence of the warming ocean is it means there is additional “warming in the pipeline”. Even if CO2 emissions were to start falling now, we already face further global warming of about another half degree by the end of the 21st century”
2010:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/cooling-oceans.htm
“Claims that the ocean has been cooling are correct. Claims that global warming has stopped are not.”
What to make of this:
“If the ocean was feeding atmospheric warming, the oceans would be cooling.”
“Claims that the ocean has been cooling are correct.”
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2008:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080502163611/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/satellite-measurements-warming-troposphere.htm
“Climate models predict the troposphere should show greater warming than the surface”
2010:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/satellite-measurements-warming-troposphere.htm
“At least two other groups keep track of the tropospheric temperature using satellites and they all now show warming in the troposphere that is consistent with the surface temperature record.”
Hmmm, falsified prediction?
2008: “Climate models predict the troposphere should show greater warming than the surface”
2010: “warming in the troposphere that is consistent with the surface temperature record.”
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Hurricane intensity as Evidence of global warming.
2008
web.archive.org/web/20080719031424/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/hurricanes-global-warming.htm
Strong links between Global Warming and hurricanes.
“While the empirical evidence linking global warming and hurricane intensity seems robust, it has no bearing on the central question of whether human CO2 emissions are causing global warming.”
2010:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Hurricanes-And-Climate-Change-Boy-Is-This-Science-Not-Settled.html
“And to cap it off, two recent peer-reviewed studies completely contradict each other. One paper predicts considerably more storms due to global warming. Another paper suggests the exact opposite – that there will be fewer storms in the future.”
The data that was presented in the 2010 page ends in 2007, which is Not as expected (sort of)
Hmmm,
In 2008 the Empirical Evidence was the ‘robust’ connection ‘linking global warming and hurricane intensity’.
In 2010: No correlation whatsoever.
It was fun to be able to post using only the http://www.skepticalscience.com website and still show the Global Warming Believers’ falsified predictions, non-correlations, blatant contradictions, etc. There are more wayback sites for http://www.skepticalscience.com. I just don’t have the time to write them all up.
It was fun though.
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climatepatrol says:
June 25, 2010 at 3:19 am
@Jeff Green
June 23, 2010 at 5:01 pm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?a=13
Other results successfully predicted and reconstructed by models
My answers are in capital letters. No offense.
•Cooling of the stratosphere OK
•Warming of the lower, mid, and upper troposphere
THE LOWER TO MID TROPOSPHERE IS SUPPOSED TO WARM 1.2 TIMES FASTER THAN THE SURFACE, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE. LOWER TROPOSPHERE WARMS ABOUT THE SAME OVER THE SEA BUT LESS OVER CONTINENTS. TYPICALLY UHI. AND UPPER TROPOSPHERE SURPRISINGLY COOLS FROM THE STRATOSPHERE.
•Warming of ocean surface waters (Cane 1997)
AND NO WARMING SINCE 2000 (Lymann 2010) OWING TO A LACK OF WATER VAPOR FEEDBACK (Pielke S.R.
•Trends in ocean heat content (Hansen 2005)
STOPPED SINCE 2003
•An energy imbalance between incoming sunlight and outgoing infrared radiation (Hansen 2005).
SURE, NOT ALL RADIATION ENERGY WILL RAISE TEMPERATURE AND AS TO THE MISSING AGW-SUBMARINE, SCIENTISTS ARE STILL SEARCHING THE OCEANS .
•Amplification of warming trends in the Arctic region (NASA observations)
THEY DIDN’T PREDICT THAT, IT HAPPENED BEFORE.
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Jimbo (12:58:06) :
Here are some IPCC predictions / forecasts / scenarios against ‘observations’.
http://www.ianschumacher.com/img/TempsvsIPCCModelsWM.jpg
http://deepclimate.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ar4-a1b-a2.gif
http://joannenova.com.au//globalwarming/graphs/akasofu/akasofu_graph_little_ice-age.gif
Here are some general failed predictions and forecasts from warmists.
http://www.c3headlines.com/predictionsforecasts/
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Pompous Git:
AGW theory has made a number of testable predictions, such as the existence of a hotspot in the equatorial troposphere, decreasing summer soil moisture in Asia where most of the warming has occurred, continuing increase in atmospheric methane etc. that have been falsified by observation. It behooves the AGW proponents to explain these difficulties adequately. They don’t; they claim these observations are “consistent with” the theory. Thus AGW is metaphysical, rather than hard science as an engineer, chemist, geologist etc would define their sciences.
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Continental temp trends vs. predicitions:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/when-results-go-bad/
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M. Simon (13:18:50) :
Causal relationships don’t require the dependent variable to change in lock step with one independent variable with other independent variables are involved.
So true. Except lock step was the prediction.
Less snow in winter was predicted. Nothing about a chance of the snowiest winter ever.
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aMINO aCIDS iN mETEORITES (18:49:24) :
Increased snow and global warming predictions fit hand in glove—so global warming advocates like Al Gore would say—i.e., warmest decade on record has produced the greatest snowfall on record. But this theorized increase in snow from global warming is supposed to be in an ever smaller and smaller circle in the Northern Hemisphere with the circumference of that diminishing circle around the world approaching closer, year by year, to the North Pole.
But that isn’t happening. The area of snow cover is not retreating towards the north but it is covering a greater area heading south. The area of snow cover at wintertime around the world in the Northern Hemisphere is growing bigger not smaller.
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Ed Forbes (14:19:59) :
DR (09:34:14) :
“..Does anyone have the link to Boxer, Byrd et al preaching about the lack of snow for previous recent years in the U.S. as proof positive of global warming catastrophe?..”
Try this one:
Breitbart TV looks back on Byrd, Boxer, Klobuchar blaming lack of snow on AGW
http://www.looktruenorth.com/limited-government/climate-change/11244-breitbart-tv-looks-back-on-byrd-boxer-klobuchar-blaming-lack-of-snow-on-agw.html
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Eric Gisin (17:54:48) :
Long before the Goracle’s Inconceivable Truth, there was After the Warming with James Burke on TV in 1990. Even more alarmist, it made the following predictions (from Amazon):
1997-1999, Massive drought in Ukraine and US: American grain failure, hundreds of thousands die of starvation
2000, sea levels up 1′ since 1994 (in reality, it was about 1″)
2007, no water in Mexico City, 3rd world coastal regions destroyed by hurricanes, causing mass migration
2008, Major nuclear power plant accidents, and 100’s of thousands dead from hurricanes in Miami and other places
2010, millions more dead from starvation… and 3 degrees warming in the last 15 years (there has been only about 0.45 degrees, and no warming in the last 10 years)
You would think anyone watching it recently would rate it poorly. Not so! 7.9/10 on IMDB.
The disconnect between reality and green apocalypse is unbelievable. Just wait 20 years and see how wrong Gore was.
http://www.amazon.com/After-Warming-VHS-James-Burke/product-reviews/B00004CMBT/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0334827/
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Genghis (18:47:02) :
Didn’t anyone read this report? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/19/north-america-snow-models-miss-the-mark/
All nine of the models predicted decreasing snow extent. Gore is claiming increasing snow extent, after the fact.
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Peer reviewed papers such as Paltridge’s “Trends in middle- and upper-level tropospheric humidity from NCEP reanalysis data” and Solomon’s “Contributions of Stratospheric Water Vapor to Decadal Changes in the Rate of Global Warming” show that specific humidity in the radiative zone has gone down as CO2 has gone up; a negative feedback in contradiction to the assumptions built into all of the IPCC climate models.
A key requirement of AGW has been contradicted by the data.
Mike Ramsey
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John Blake (18:51:24) :
Back in mid-January 2009, GISS/NASA’s benighted James Hansen issued a pronunciamento to effect that ‘09 would register as “the hottest year on record.” Of course he said the same for 2006, 2007, and 2008, all of which tumbled out-of-bed on the downside.
anticlimactic says:
August 13, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Well stated anticlimactic. Those are my sentiments exactly.
Douglas
Kelvin Vaughan says:
August 13, 2011 at 1:22 pm
John M says:
August 13, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Canada did not import any wheat back in the cold 1970s. It started in the warming 1980s and it has been increasing every year, despite warmer weather. Go figure that.
And yet yields for all crops, including wheat have steadily increased.
Go figure that.
It’s because the land is being converted to vinyards John.
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That would be unlikely Kelvin as the wine growing regions (South Ontario and B.C.) are not known for wheat production (Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba). I suspect the import of wheat into Canada has something to do with long term wheat contracts in western Canada (wheat heads west to China and Japan) versus increasing demand for wheat in eastern Canada (Ontario and Quebec). It is probably easier to import wheat in the east than upset long terms contracts in the west.
If the proposed $23 per ton isn’t bad enough, imagine the effects on our economy when it increases to $131 + (our Treasury projections). I’ll bet the masses aren’t aware of this and I’m sure Gillard isn’t going to advertise it.
http://www.climatechangedenier.com.au/carbon-tax/the-carbon-price-will-always-be-increasing/
About six months ago I wrote a letter to my Federal MP ( Laura Smyth, Federal Member for La Trobe; Labor) and asked some simple questions:
In light of the relatively low level of human population and correspondingly low human emissions of carbon dioxide at the time:
1. What caused the Roman Warming Period?
2. What caused the Medieval Warming Period?
3. What caused the Little Ice Age?
4. What caused each of these climate events to reverse?
I am still waiting for my MP to acknowledge my letter; and I am still waiting for a response to my questions.
However, a few months ago, the Federal Government did organize a “community forum” in my area in which a group of “climate experts” were to address the peasants, and answer their questions.
In the event, “the experts” were a group of high school students, and a couple of university grad students.
With such a level of expertise, it is any wonder that we are all doomed?
climatepatrol said @ June 25, 2010 at 3:19 am
“Pompous Git:
AGW theory has made a number of testable predictions, such as the existence of a hotspot in the equatorial troposphere, decreasing summer soil moisture in Asia where most of the warming has occurred, continuing increase in atmospheric methane etc. that have been falsified by observation. It behooves the AGW proponents to explain these difficulties adequately. They don’t; they claim these observations are “consistent with” the theory. Thus AGW is metaphysical, rather than hard science as an engineer, chemist, geologist etc would define their sciences.”
I agree. And your point is? I believe that this comment is my first in this thread…
anticlimactic says:
August 13, 2011 at 1:16 pm
“With regards to AGW I am still really puzzled as to why so many politicians around the world are so hell bent on damaging their economies and so destroying the lives of their people for no perceptible gain.
You’re starting to figure it out… they are all taking their orders from the same source. It doesn’t matter if they are left-wing or right-wing, they all have some form of climate change secretary/minister/whatever who is doing exactly what they’re told and completely ignoring the public’s opinion. They are not stupid; or out of touch, nor insane, they know exactly what it is they are doing. This is not coincidental I can guarantee you that. Neither is the impending global financial collapse. Something is very wrong and people just don’t even notice.
As they say in Shoebiz: “SarcOn” – The five GPM’s (Global Political Model) all forecast that any challange to the Gillard government will fail regardless of who or what is thrown into the mix of opposition. The GPM’s, use super complex progrums and algrarytheums on superdupper lightspeed Chinese modified Western patent computers. The data is a constant flow of news headlines from the coaligned mass media outlets of the MSM and each government’s very own intelligence estimates and public relations news releases. Nothing is, or ever will be, more accurate or telling. Any revolt will be squashed before it begins. Government computer programmers have already divised the necessary code to erase anyone who even sneezes in the wrong direction; it will be as if that person never existed, every scrap of data on such people will be deleted, they will starve to death for want of everything. “SarcOff”
Can’t believe anyone has any confidence in Gillard, so why no vote of NO CONFIDENCE?
PS: Hope you truckers got yer Ears On, time for a little Old CONVOY!
A fine fighting speech by Archibald, tho the reference to “unleash the Furies” treads close to a call for violence, even clothed in classical allusion, IMO.
But, “In fact, the temperature of planet today is almost the same as it was when satellites first started measuring it in 1979.” Say what? What data set is he looking at, and what is his value for “almost” over a 30 year period?
Convoy is about to start:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/protesters_start_your_engines/
Ian says:
August 12, 2011 at 10:21 pm
“… Dorothy McKellar in her poem …”
Actually her name was Dorothea MacKellar. And although in her old age she once succumbed to the influence of modern degenerates and mistakenly recited the words “ragged mountain ranges”, she had correctly described them in her poem as being “rugged.”
The language skills of the present generation might be said to be “ragged” but our mountains certainly are not.
Here’s the update page for The Convoy:
http://justgroundsonline.com/forum/topics/the-rally-convoy-of-no-confidence
They have (mostly) arrived, and will stage their rallies over 2 days.