Joe publishes an essay in the State College newspaper which Mann reads looking for anything that might question his hockey stick theory. – Anthony
Can America Last? Only If We Use the Lessons of the Past
by Joe Bastardi
If you knew about the climate and nation’s weather the way I have to, you would see the links between what happened from 1925 to 1950 and what is going on now. During that time, we were in a warm version of the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic turned warm, and the weather went haywire. And there were other challenges as great as the weather facing the nation.
I get a kick out of those blaming carbon dioxide for the weather problems. Why? Because it has happened before and will happen again. The Earth has been going through 30 years of a warm Pacific Ocean; that reversed in 2007 and, lo and behold, weather similar to the last time it happened showed up. Tornado deaths in this nation were greatest in the 1950s, for instance. And there have been far worse tornado disasters worldwide spread out evenly over the centuries.
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My suggestion as to the answer comes from the book of Ecclesiastes: There is nothing new under the sun. Of course, that would not sit well with anyone wishing to save the planet from man-made demons in the air – and getting paid to do so.
And by the way, while proponents of global warming claim that all this wild weather is consistent with their models – which unknown to many are starting to forecast global cooling, though they won’t tell you that yet – it is also consistent with what happens in the weather when any given pattern changes.
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read the full article here
Common sense from the heart from Joe.
Glad there’s no paywall for the State College website.
Total truth from Mr Bastardi.
When we were kids my Daddy told us that once Lough Neagh (N.Ireland) froze solid and that somebody drove a tractor out across it. We only half believed him, he might have been pulling our leg.
Fifty-ish years later it happened again! Sadly I wasn’t there to see it.
I remember very clearly the article promising ‘snow will be a thing of the past’….a little alarm bell went off in my head…that was my wakeup call…how could ‘anyone’ have made such an idiotic claim? I began to look more closely at ‘Global Warming’ .
You’re right, History is a great educator.
Also we must keep reminding the Warmists of their claims and predictions each time they fail to materialize…that’s history too!
Maybe even…… ‘evidence’.
Thank goodness we have people like Joe and this site to put out dissenting information from the folks like Gore and Mann. Can you imagine what it would be like to only have their side presented and their solutions to save us? We’re close to that now.
But where are your models?
How can you call yourself a real scientist if you haven’t created a model which proves your assertions.
Come on! Just saying: “it’s like the 1950s” isn’t good enough …. you’ve got to say: “we have modelled the climate using a 5th china-squared cubic splice and according to our models the climate today is the same as the 1950s and it will all end in doomsday and pestilence if we don’t get more money to model the model of the models that show that the 1950s was not nearly so good as it was today because of the lack of models of models showing that the past was much better than the future”
…. that way you’ll be believed.
There was a sarc off there … but I obviously didn’t model it well because it disappeared!
Joe: You make a sweeping statement “… which unknown to many are starting to forecast global cooling, though they won’t tell you that yet”
I know some modelers, and have not heard this. Could you substantiate your statement please with some reference or evidence?
Why? Because it has happened before and will happen again.
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Not much has changed with people either….
…since the beginning of time, we’ve always had people that tried to make a living off doom and gloom predictions
and claiming they could fix it with sacrifices
Only the names have changed…
…we used to call them witch doctors and shaman
Good article Joe,keep punching away.
Surprised any like this would be allowed with the name PENN on it,
can just imagine certain people reading this over breakfast and spitting out their cornflakes
and “shouting get me the editor” LOL 🙂 🙂 way to go Joe.
Don’t you know that metereologists — who merely live and breathe the data — are not ‘real scientists.’ But Mother Nature seems to ignore the models.
Living in northern Canada, it mystifies me that people would desire a cooler planet. There doesn’t seem to be any awareness or understanding of the challenges we face. We need to stop wasting time on this obsession with CO2 and put our efforts into better alternative energy sources. The real catastrophy will occur when we are not able to keep warm or grow food.
charles nelson says:
June 28, 2011 at 5:51 am
“When we were kids my Daddy told us that once Lough Neagh (N.Ireland) froze solid and that somebody drove a tractor out across it. We only half believed him, he might have been pulling our leg.
Fifty-ish years later it happened again! Sadly I wasn’t there to see it.”
Luckily this is the information age where almost every event is captured and posted online, If seeing is believing feast your eyes on this short videos below.
A frozen Lough Neagh at Ballyronan, Winter 2010
And Waite theres more!!
Part 1
Part 2
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I’d trust Joe Bastardi I saw him on the Colbert report ripping some CAGW Proponent a new one early this year.
The Earth has been going through 30 years of a warm Pacific Ocean; that reversed in 2007 and, lo and behold, weather similar to the last time it happened showed up.
Thirty years again. That sounds familiar. Looks like we have another two decades of cooling to go.
Hello everyone, in 1949 the village where I was born was closed for 6 weeks due to snowfall, people could only leave their houses via the upsatirs bedroom windows. I missed that one, but I was around in 1963, 9 feet thick ice on our local lake, cars driving on it amazing. The scare then was a new ice age, we would all have to migrate south. No one had heard of models of climate, it was just the weather, sometimes I long for those days to return, the war was not long over and bu**shit was at a minimum.
From the full article:
“Recall five years ago the lamentations about no snow in the Rockies, and, of course, the blame was global warming. Now that it’s snowing, it’s global warming. Drought, floods, anything under the sun is global warming.”
Anything under the sun but not the sun itself is global warming. The solar cycles, etc. have nothing to do with global warming. It is all due to a trace gas. No, it’s true. Just ask them, they’ll tell you, quite indignantly too.
I wonder what prompted this submission to StateCollege.Com and, also, is there a print edition? Was he asked by a new editor? It has a large readership – and we assume they are well educated. Joe has written about these issue before so the information is not new, although the wordsmithing seems improved. Maybe other media outlets will pick it up. Hope so. However, the small map accompanying the article appears to come from information provided at the link below. I did not see a way to the yearly maps.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/drought/historical-palmers.php
Learning from the past? Pfft… that’s so old-school. Next someone’s going to tell us we should learn from our mistakes too. Or, Just the other day I heard someone suggest that someone older might actually know something that I don’t. Can you imagine? Ridiculous. I mean, we have the internet! We know EVERYTHING! And everyone knows that all data on the internet is completely valid and accurate, and old paper documents are complete crap.
1930s. That can’t be. I saw somewhere on the internet that it wasn’t actually warm back then, it was just “deniers” making that up. Or it was warm in the US, but the rest of the world was in blissful, beautiful, perfect balance, just like everything is, always, until CO2 comes along and wrecks it. Those eeeeevil oil companies and those eeeeeevil capitalists, ruining everything. Serves ’em right.
(no, no, don’t tell me this “needs” a /sarc tag!)
I don’t need a model to know that we have been here before. Being involved in agriculture and observing weather changes and how the climate affects the business I am in go hand in hand. My dad always talked that the 1950’s were some of the wettest years he ever saw,especially 1954. Now in Western Canada we are having two of the wettest years on record. Why because of La Nina and a change in the flow of the jet stream. Not because of an increase in CO2. We have many cycles within cycles that affect the climate and blaming every weather event on CO2 or Globull warming is ludicrous. Good common sense article.
Joe has tweeted before about the models now showing cooling instead of warming. That piques my curiosity, I wish he would provide some details. That would be pretty significant.
Everything changes but everything remains the same
Climate models that forecast global cooling well after the fact are about as useless as attempting to negotiate a tight turn with the steering wheel locked. They will fail no matter which way the system turns, because they contain no AI that can learn. That should be a hint to stop wasting billions in taxpayer money on a lemon.
“while proponents of global warming claim that all this wild weather is consistent with their models”.
Well we know that anything and everything is consistent with their models isn’t it?
Call it Climate Anything! (or Climate Everything!)
“And by the way, while proponents of global warming claim that all this wild weather is consistent with their models – which unknown to many are starting to forecast global cooling, though they won’t tell you that yet…”
Could you elaborate on that, Joe? Are you saying that the models are actually predicting the lack of warming since about 1995-1998? That’s news to me and must make Trenberth very happy. But how was that accomplished?
Yes, many here do recall those days. Back in May, with the early arrival of Spring, Western snowpack was at a record level. This was also caused by global warming. / sarc
Where has Joe’s blog gone?
I looked at the comments section. It’s good to see that the majority of literate Penn State students seem brighter than their instructors.
Great post — let’s hope farmers are paying attention. The Dust Bowl occurred in the 30’s and we don’t need another one.
Statecollege.com is a community website/message board, not the local paper (a McClatchey Paper) or university newspaper or web site. Those are the Centre Daily Times and the Daily Collegian.
For anyone interested there’s lots of historical references for bad weather below. Once we get c02 down to below 350ppm the weather will once again be normal. /sarc
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/bad-weather/
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/historical-references/
Joe Bastardi wrote: “The Earth has been going through 30 years of a warm Pacific Ocean; that reversed in 2007 and, lo and behold, weather similar to the last time it happened showed up.”
What reversed in 2007? The Sea Surface Temperature anomalies for the Pacific Ocean as a whole didn’t magically shift in 2007:
http://i53.tinypic.com/2j2gvna.jpg
It didn’t happen in the North Pacific:
http://i52.tinypic.com/23kaws2.jpg
And there was no magic switch in the temperature of the North Pacific north of 20N, which is the area used to determine the Pacific Decadal Oscillation:
http://i54.tinypic.com/4uyn4j.jpg
The 2007/08 La Niña started in 2007:
http://i56.tinypic.com/izxm2x.jpg
But there was no “reversal”.
I am stunned. I truly am. Everyone one of those Global Warming hypocrites live down in the warm zones of this planet. None of them live up North here in Canada where I live and work. I’ve lived all of my life in this climate – I’ve been to the places everyone talks about, the high Arctic. I’ve lived in Labrador, I’ve been on that drifting ice seal hunting. I’ve chiseled down third feet in the ice and had to make ice steps to get down that far and never did find a bottom. Thank God I didn’t otherwise the water would have blasted upward like a geyser.
Trust me – in cold winter weather you have to increase you calorie intake by thousands of calories a day just to stay the same weight. I’ve seen southerners who think they know how the world works up here lose thirty pounds in just 200 miles of travel. Then they get on an aircraft and run back south never to see them again. Then suddenly THEY are the experts? I’ve worked my butts off as a lad (my first job) trying to keep those fools alive and NOW they are the experts? The very same people who live their lives in warm zones playing with their computer generated graphs in shirt sleeves with air conditioners on are claiming to be climate geniuses? Satellites overhead you say? Right – trust me here on the ground its a whole new world no satellite can ever relate to a human. Up here weather changes in a heartbeat and will kill you as fast. How many I wonder have ever set foot in these areas so discussed here and on so many other sites on a daily basis? Anyone? Actually traveled on the land away from civilization? Canada is millions of squared miles and much of Canada is the areas discussed here. Who here has been there? And actually understands why paper/computer graphs and reality have never yet met in any universe so constructed by the “experts.”
Regarding the request for models predicting cooling: I know when Joe was still working for accuweather.com he showed some of the seasonal models that showed cooling. He mentioned them by name and showed their graphics, said to “google them”, but I could never find any except NOAA’s seasonal outlook.
Another lesson from history that I got from reading the Literture from the cooling/colder periods of the past:
Whenever there was a severe economic downturn/economic gloom it was immediately followed by a climate change with a detrimental impact to agriculture. The lesson is that greed preceeds the turn of climate. Whom should this interest? Those whose field of study includes the behavior of man that is passed down over millenia of direct experience. Those who dwell at the precipice of a return to poverty and squalor of the masses should the lights go out on Science.
It is in the best interests of the US to avoid this slippery slope of ignorance.
Publius says:
June 28, 2011 at 6:55 am
You’re right, and I’ve given the “experts” in the field a name: “climsci”–as in not quite “climate” (more politics than anything else), and certainly not quite “science” (a collection of post normal, lazy, irreproducible fudging). Put them together and you have “climsci”, like that climsci Michael Mann.
The BBCs Richard Black on Climate models
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13909380
We can’t say for certain that any individual event was or wasn’t caused by any other specifc event, but there are a few inconsistences in Joe’s thinking, and this seems to hold true for many positions taken up by skeptics. These arguments can be stated as:
1. If X caused Y in the past, then if Y happens in the future it can only be caused by X.
or said another way:
2. If Y happened in the past, and is Y is happening now, it must have the same cause.
Other unprovable inconsistencies would be:
3. The dynamics of weather patterns will repeat themselves in exactly the same way over time. (even though the composition of the atmosphere, the position of the earth in Milankovitch cycles, the position of the solar system in the galaxy, the solar output, the level of GCRs, the amount of volcanic activity, the earth’s magnetic field, the position of the continents, etc. etc. etc. will never be exactly the same way twice.)
It is interesting to note that even though Joe may not think anthropogenic climate change is happening or the cause of the above average amount of extreme weather we’ve been having, one of the largest insurance companies in the world, who has billions at stake on getting this right, disagrees with Joe and has put a lot of effort into researching this, namely Munich Re. See:
http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/1934684/munich-warns-soaring-climate-change-costs
So Joe might be telling his clients there’s nothing to worry about, this is all a “normal” cycle of things, (i.e. x caused y in the past and so x, and only x, must be causing y now), but Munich Re is telling its clients that we they expecting to see more frequent occurances of extreme weather, (i.e. this isn’t the world it was a hundred years ago and climate related risks are increasing)
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Thanks Joe, great article!
twawki: The trouble is, everything doesn’t remain the same. In the ’30s our ruling class and academics had a firm grasp on reality. They knew the difference between facts and fantasy, knew when to say “I don’t know.”
Now they’re all absolute wacked-out psychopaths in the entire English-speaking world, with a tiny tiny tiny handful of namable exceptions. Right now the only sane people with any degree of power are James Inhofe and Janusz Lewandowski. Can two men save us? I doubt it.
30 years is a long time, and some apparently sought to use this long period to grab control over all of us. But the more we see, the more we read, the more we observe, it appears their window of opportunity is ending. And that may explain why they are getting so desperate and strident in their denunciations of both skeptics and data. And why their rhetoric is becoming so 1984ish.
Sorry R, he made no such assertion. He did say the “pattern” would repeat, but he never said it ” will repeat themselves in exactly the same way over time.”. That is your strawman. Perhaps you would like to discuss the issue at hand and not put words into Mr. Bastardi’s mouth?
fredb says:
June 28, 2011 at 6:35 am
Joe: You make a sweeping statement “… which unknown to many are starting to forecast global cooling, though they won’t tell you that yet”
Look at the NCEP model for this coming winter. New la niña with below normal temps right across the Arctic.
R Gates again. Joe gets it right every time by looking at complex past weather and climate parametres. You can be soooooo blind at times. OR in english, blinkered.
I wanted to call him a prat but decided not to be rude. It’s not the ‘french way’.
R. Gates says:
June 28, 2011 at 11:37 am
“It is interesting to note that even though Joe may not think anthropogenic climate change is happening or the cause of the above average amount of extreme weather we’ve been having, one of the largest insurance companies in the world, who has billions at stake on getting this right, disagrees with Joe and has put a lot of effort into researching this, namely Munich Re. See:
http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/1934684/munich-warns-soaring-climate-change-costs
So Joe might be telling his clients there’s nothing to worry about, this is all a “normal” cycle of things, (i.e. x caused y in the past and so x, and only x, must be causing y now), but Munich Re is telling its clients that we they expecting to see more frequent occurances of extreme weather, (i.e. this isn’t the world it was a hundred years ago and climate related risks are increasing)”
Gates, you have absolutely swallowed the kool aid. If you think that insurance companies have anything in mind other than producing a reason to raise rates then you must be blind to everyone with an agenda. Citing an insurance company that says they are expecting greater risks as a reason to believe that those risks are likely to happen is, without being too offensive, just stupid. They have “billions at stake” sure, hoping to collect billions of extra premiums by making everyone believe it could happen and pocketing the profits when they don’t. I really thought you were wiser than that.
See, this is why you’re on the wrong side of this debate.
You think you’re seeing a logical inconsistency here, but in fact it’s the warmist side that has the logic problem.
I have yet to hear a realist claim that anything “can only be caused by” anything. Ever. I’ve heard ONLY warmists make this claim… ie, “weather is messed up, it can only be caused by CO2”.
The fact is, it’s been cool, and it’s been warm. The alarmists seem unable to avoid extrapolating upward or downward curves into straight skyrocketing lines. Realists recognize that for about as long as humans have been recording weather, these things oscillate, and go in cycles. Some we can identify, some not so much. Alarmists get all alarmed at, first cooling, then warming, then “CHANGE”.
Since “moderate republican” started trolling here and getting schooled on the “strawman” concept, I’m amazed that you would so rapidly do the same. Nobody has ever said anything will be “exactly the same”. That’s one of the most ridiculous strawmen I’ve yet seen set up. But you did it. Congratulations.
Actually, it’s even more interesting to note that as a person who, presumeably, lives in the first world, you can’t comprehend that Insurance companies have IMMENSE amounts to gain from climate alarm. They can raise rates for “increased risk” and laugh (at you) all the way to the bank. Insurance companies are NOT hurting. In fact, their records are likely more complete than anyone’s when it comes to extreme weather events, and I’m absolutely positive that they’re giggling on a daily basis.
R. Gates says:
June 28, 2011 at 11:37 am
…one of the largest insurance companies in the world, who has billions at stake on getting this right, … but Munich Re is telling its clients that we they expecting to see more frequent occurances of extreme weather, (i.e. this isn’t the world it was a hundred years ago and climate related risks are increasing)
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On the contrary, it’s in Munich Re’s interests to grossly exaggerate the risks so that they can increase their premiums without increased payouts.
“…while proponents of global warming claim that all this wild weather is consistent with their models …”
What wild weather shows is just how wide the range of “normal” really is.
Why do warmest act like the dust bowl never happened?
Speaking of Mr. Bastardi,
I really miss seeing his postings at AccuWeather and I followed them for a while at WeatherBell but can’t anymore because the payment is too steep. While the fee might be worthwhile for the array of products they offer, I was only interested in the blogging and the fee is too steep just to follow someone’s comments.
I miss reading Mr. Bastardi’s stuff.
.The fee is not too steep just to follow someone’s comments, when the comments are Mr. Bastardi’s. It costs $16.99/month, which means I have to go without gossip at the local market, and instead of buying a large coffee at $1.75, brew my own coffee at home, for around 20 days a month. I can catch up on the gossip during the other ten days.
I did save some money by dropping my subscription to Accuweather professional, after Bastardi left, but the increase in gas and oil prices more than ate that up.
Wait a second. Coffee prices may be going up 2%, due to frost in Brazil. (For tips and notes)
http://www.weatherbell.com/weather-news/frost-reports-in-brazil-cause-increase-in-coffee-prices/
That means I’d have to go without gossip 21 days. I sure hope Mr. Bastardi appreciates the sacrifices people must make.
If the atmosphere could have warmed the oceans, it had thousands of years since the end of the last ice age to do so.
Anyone claiming that the atmosphere can warm the oceans is either a fool, an advocate or on the AGW gravy train.
DCC says:
Could you elaborate on that, Joe? Are you saying that the models are actually predicting the lack of warming since about 1995-1998? That’s news to me and must make Trenberth very happy. But how was that accomplished?
My answer: in Climate Science postdiction = prediction, donchaknow. Just add to “the physics” the “elegant” [R. Gates] delayed retroactive negative feedback of AGW upon atmospheric CO2 concentrations which reduces CO2’s net forcing even while CO2 is increasing – which any respectable mental Time Machine should be able to pull off – thus allowing increasing CO2 concentrations to force cooling [h/t Pat Frank]: ~”more rain due to AGW causes more weathering action upon atmospheric CO2 to form CaCO3, which thus acts to reduce atmospheric CO2 concentration after the atmospheric temp. has stopped rising and even turned to cooling, but also at the same time when atmospheric CO2 concentration is still rising; just as the historical paleo records also show, QED.”
Only a member Antrhowback in good standing, such as Gates himself, could possibly be “qualified” as a result of his incessant repeating of the Holy CO2 = CAGW “tenets”, to then add:
R. Gates says:
June 28, 2011 at 11:37 am
We can’t say for certain that any individual event was or wasn’t caused by any other specifc event…., that is, unless “we” have a mental Time Machine to make it happen as it should happen, according to “the physics”.
—> clarification of one phrase describing “the physics” above: “which thus acts to reduce [the effect of or the net] atmospheric CO2 concentration after the atmospheric temp. has stopped rising…”
Absolutely correct. Los Angeles, Malibu, Miami, etc.
It is very effective to call their bluff when arguing face to face. Just tell them to move to Canada, Greenland or Siberia and then you can spout off about Global Warming. Until then you are a meaningless little nitwit trying to tell others to enjoy the cold and tundra.
They can sell their cars and limos and beach houses, 5-star restaurants and red carpet treatment and make a real difference to the planet (or so they think). But it has always been easier for phonies to simply wear some ribbon for a cause than to actually roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty. We all knew people like that in school, the slacker who skipped classes, copied other people’s work, took credit for stuff they were not involved in, etc. Such phonies are the heart of the leftist population base.
In the USA they (liberals) number from 25% to 30% of the population. I suspect from what I hear that in Europe they are twice that percentage. Numerically it is many millions of people, perhaps even 50% of all people everywhere.
Such numbers mean one simple thing, they *have* the power to change the world in a very simple way without affecting us normal people: all they need to do is voluntarily go Amish and it’s done! If half the population of the planet, the malcontents, simply went Amish and completely swore off technology *plus* all their well-publicized pet peeves like meat, tobacco, oil, coal, nuke, war, etc., a huge change would be effected. Note that this change would be far larger than any change that they could ever achieve involuntarily through legislation and coercion.
Begin holding breath … now.
Caleb says:
June 28, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Wait a second. Coffee prices may be going up 2%, due to frost in Brazil. (For tips and notes)
http://www.weatherbell.com/weather-news/frost-reports-in-brazil-cause-increase-in-coffee-prices/
Well that was interesting Brazil is having to move it’s coffee growing regions nearer the equator because of frost problems.
Though that due to global warming the opposite would be happening.
[trimmed by request, Robt]
Dont know where that rubbish at the end of my blog came from?
Bob Tisdale says:
June 28, 2011 at 9:24 am
Joe Bastardi wrote: “The Earth has been going through 30 years of a warm Pacific Ocean; that reversed in 2007 and, lo and behold, weather similar to the last time it happened showed up.”
What reversed in 2007?
This is just an uneducated guess, but if you look at the graph up until about 2006, there seems to be an overall rising trend. Since that point, as near as I can tell given the limited amount of data, there appears to be an overall falling trend (if you account for the recent La Niña / El Niño / La Niña cycle via a mental fudge-factor). I’m guessing this is what he was talking about?
Again, just an uneducated guess.
I live in Britain where we have the same trouble finding the sudden change of weather conditions. First it had been thought that our industry, car use aerosol, etc. is the reason for this. It is only part of the story. I watch The TV programm: “The Universe” almost daily and have learnt a lot how climates are changing. Its the movements of planets around the sun and great explosions on the sun, the moon slightly losing his magnatism. Our planet is very slightly moving towards the sun, but don’t panic it takes millions of years to actually happen. By then, if life is getting too uncomfortable to live on our planet, we will be so advanced in technology to move to another planet. The only quick result of tragedy could be that the sun would be blocked, and an Ice-Age could follow, if the earth is hit by a huge Metorite and is turned so that the warm aereas are finding themselfs on the Nordpole. Of course our self-made fumes, don’t help. It is unhealthy too. I remember the London Smog, when wood and coal was used to keep the home fiers burning. It was a thick yellow Fog. People had to wear masks over nose and mouth not to get ill with bronchitis or even tuberculoses. Such fires were banned years ago. People use gas or electrucity since.
I would reccomment to watch “The Universe” program, to see and learn for your self. I am only an amateur, and I am relating this in my own way. One of the main trouble spots are where trees are felled. When it is neccessary to chop trees down, the double amount should be planted somewhere else. I have watched in wonder, how in America a 1000 year old tree had been transplanted. Very hard work and with a lot of expence the tree had been replanted nearby. I felt really good about it. Yesterday I read about the shut down of a power station by the Northsea. Because of the warming, Jelly fish had blocked the cooling system. They had been sucked in. I expect everyone has read about the huge Jelly fish, which started to crowd the Chinese waters and made their way into the European waters. In Cornwell, on the far South-West of Britain, a diver found himself facing one of thos huge yelly fish. They are over 6 foot tall. Also sharks have been seen here. All this because of the increasing warm weather conditions. I think our scientists are working hard to work out ways to preserve our wonderful planet. We can take part in it too, being careful what we use and how, to preserve nature.
Gisella, dont believe what you see on TV, I went to Cornwall every year in the late 50s to the mid 60s, there were real sharks then, most fishing villages had a shark boat, the fancy USA sort white with a flying bridge, it was a big business, look at Portscacho on googlemaps, there was one there for several years and every year we saw a black fin in Gerrans bay, also heaps of jellyfish, rarely portugese men o war and we were not allowed in the sea then, so nothing has changed!! also check the names of the so called scientists in the 70s, who shouted, chicken little like, that the new ice age is coming (despite the winter of 63 being still in our minds) there was a list and 1/3 of them are agw warmist mafia now! Yes cutting down broad leaf trees, espescialy hard wood ones is bad for us all, there was a scheme to adopt a tree in south america, that made sense, probably why it died out! In london they still used coal by and large but in the UK you had to use smokeless fuel in cities, that was back when the politicians applied some thought, research and common sense to the laws and not a greenpeace made magic 8 ball!