Yesterday we saw the satellite image of the UK, buried under snow for the second time in 2010, see UK Covered in snow, for the second winter. And we’ve seen and heard the reports about the impact snow is having in the UK and in Europe. Now let’s have alook at some cold records.
Translated from http://www.yr.no/english/1.7405789 yr.no is the joint online weather service from the Norwegian Meteorological Institute and the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation.
Norway got over a hundred new records in November.
Cold, colder, coldest. Unless you remember back to the year 1919, November 2010 is definitely the “coldest.”
The whole country is in the freezer
In the middle of November, it was extremely cold in many parts of the country, “says Hans Olav Hygen.
It is not uncommon for parts of the country to stand out when meteorologists summarize the weather of the past. This time the whole of Norway that stands out.
“It is so special that large areas are cold at once. It has simply been an unusual situation that has pumped cold air into the country, “said Hygen.
On the whole, Norway has therefore experienced the coldest month of November since 1919, with the full 3.57 degrees below the normal level. Because the norm is regarded as cold , this is a very big difference!
In many parts of the country, this is the coldest November in living memory, “commented Hygen.
Of the various regions is the Trøndelag and western that stands out the most:
| Region | Deviations from the norm | |
|---|---|---|
| Norway | -3,57 | |
| Eastern | -3,66 | |
| Agder College | -2,85 | |
| Western Norway | -3,58 | |
| Trøndelag | -4,42 | |
| North Norway | -3,28 |
Norwegian November stats published today showing 93 of 200 national stations setting record lows (average or absolute) for November.
http://www.yr.no/nyheter/1.7405789
A station like Utsira, in the middle of the Gulf current, had a min low of -6.2 beating the 1890 record of -5.6
h/t to readers “rtgr” and Geir Nøklebye
We need to stop disrupting the climate!!
How does one say BRRRR in Norsk?
My wife has African friends who live there. Mind you she has been there for some time, but not looking good for the AGW crowd.
Is it true that the record lows are being blamed on the Gulf oil spill slowing the Gulf Stream? I heard that in conversation a few weeks ago.
Given the cold in Norway, and that the UK is setting some records… and Germany is frozen over…
And it’s none too warm in the USA… and Australia is cold and wet…
And the Pacific is showing decidedly cold…
Maybe it’s time for a summary report on new cold records? I remember a neat map from prior years showing records as colored dots… or was that only a USA thing?
Oh, and I’ve heard some assertions that the Gulf Stream has slowed down, but not any actual references, and statements that the Jet Stream had wandered off..
So could we maybe fine a Met Guy somewhere who could give us a rundown on what really is causing all this cold? (hint hint 😉
I see no relation of the above November graph with CO2 levels. Maybe CO2 has a month off. Similarly, there are some months in my country record, which show no trend at all since 1900. Spring and summer trends are closely related to AMO and winter ones to NAO.
and today I hear the cancoons saying 2010 is close to the hottest ever…?
With weather like now in Europe and earlier in the year, as well as lately in Australia, would any one really agree with this: “Decade the hottest ever, says UN” ? As in:
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/decade-the-hottest-ever-says-un-20101203-18j9x.html
“Don’t be fooled by Australia’s wet and mild conditions.
A United Nations weather agency report, released on Friday, found 2010 is almost certain to rank as one of the hottest three years on record while the past 10 years are the warmest period since climate data began in 1850.”
Is this real or a fiddle? The so-called “global temperature” is as I understand by trying to assess the mean of monthly temperatures in specific “grids.” What result would be found by determining the trend in as many centres as possible throughout all landmasses and on islands (near oceans or seas) and then assess the range of trends and some kind of average? This would overcome one of the problems, that of the differences in temperature due altitude.
Confirmed. Norway HAS had it’s codest winter in living memory and on record. My wife’s friend lives in “Bodo”, and everyone is talking about the “cold”, cold in Norway?
But this is just weather.
I’m confused.
Reading the UK press, some experts say these record cold conditions are just natural variation, while other experts say they are proof of global warming.
Which is it?
Bob: BRRRR is fine 🙂
Btw.: An important difference from this time last year is that Svalbard is slightly colder than normal: http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Svalbard/Longyearbyen/statistics.html
1 dec and 2 dec, The Bilt, The Netherlands set a new lowest maximum temp record. 1dec -3,7 C and for 2dec -6,1 C. Beating the records from 1940: -2,9 C and 1973: -1,8 C. In the beginning of the month we had a record warmest minimum temp on 6 november. Conclusion: A rapid transfer from warm to cold in the extreme way.
The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute is of course annoyed by a second very cold winter, it disrupts their mission to communicate, to the public, the severity of man made global warming.
http://www.smhi.se/en
http://www.smhi.se/forskning/kallt-i-sverige-men-varmt-globalt-1.13949
“Cold in Sweden but globally warm.”
The message in the article is that without global warming, the cold winters (in europe) would have been much (some 3 degrees C) colder, it is stated as an undisputed fact.
@Bob Tisdale: I heard that the oil spill made the Gulf Stream more slippery and thus flowing faster. But both possibilities are predicted by GCMs.
I read that a TV lady claimed that the extreme heat in the artic has pushed all the cold air away from the artic, down south to the northern hemisphere.
So it really is (was?) the hottest year ever.
It’s just that the heat has been masked by the cold.
Or am I missing something?
Anyway the long drought continues throughout all of the eastern half of Australia.
Again it’s just somewhat masked by all the rain and flooding we’re having.
(But behind the clouds, the sun is shinning and it’s really hot, in a cold sort of way.)
Be thankful you ungrateful lot. If it wasn’t for the affects of CO2, it would have been much much colder.
So lets see, 0.7 warming due to AGW
Norway -3,57 (- 0.7 ) = -4.27
Eastern -3,66 (-0.7) = -4.36
Agder Colleg -2,85 (-0.7) = -3.75
Western Norway -3,58 (-0.7) = -4.28
Trøndelag -4,42 (-0.7) = -4.12
North Norway -3,28 (-0.7) = -3.98
Brrrrrrr, much worse, see?
Nobody said there won’t be anymore cold periods, it’s just that it’s not as cold as it would have been if not for AGW. /-sarc off
amicus curiae says:
December 3, 2010 at 4:01 am
and today I hear the cancoons saying 2010 is close to the hottest ever…?
Only if they use rectal thermometers…
Our temperatures in Newfoundland are well above normal for this time of year … but hey it’s just weather 🙂
This is of course as expected by AGW except that it is much worse than predicted.
Take a look at the graph from our Met Office above. As you can see, the average November temperature for last year was 2 degC above “normal” (1961 – 1990 average). Except it was not. Last November was one of the coldest ones in “living memory”. But after a bit of “homogenization”, and with people having short memories, anything goes.
According to the “Adresseavisen” (local paper here in Trondheim), this November has been the coldest on record. And that record is a full 222 years long! I guess we were early getting mercury into glass tubes up here.
What’s the matter? 21C, shorts, t-shirt & thongs weather.
What’s that little dash before it, mate? We don’t get those here….
Damn: 31C ^^^
Follow the inner NH jet stream circle. Wherever the wind direction arrows stream out of the Arctic Circle, it will be cold in that area and in those countries. Go to this website and build your own animated loop. It isn’t rocket science. A 5th grade student can predict where the cold temps will be based on the pattern of air flow (thus pressure gradients) inside the inner circle of our NH jet stream.
http://squall.sfsu.edu/scripts/nhemjetstream_model.html
Hi Bob Tisdale
Yes its true, some are trying to make carbon-energy guilty for a possible cold winter by saying that the oil-spil in the gulf area would caus a very cold winter in Europe.
So the theory goes, that this oil somhow should disable the warm current that makes Northern Atlantic warm… and therefore we should see a cold winter. (that is : No problem for the Co2-hypothesis)
Just one smaaaal problem: The North Atlantic this autumn has not at all been cold, it has been warm. Further more hte cold reaching Europe comes from the North and east..
So one thing is a hypothesis out of the blue (that for some reason is allowed through medias all over the world including Denmark) another thing is: These people MUST have been aware that there where NO cold North Atlantic when they came with their story that should explain a possible cold European winter this year.
So either they have not bothered to look at North Atlantic temperatures this fall, or else they speak against what they know is true.
But the AGW-media machinery works perfectly still: Some jerks propose something grotesk which can be proven wrong instantly. And we end up having medias all over the world give peoble an excuse as to why the Co2 could not hold Europe warm, and why carbon-energy is to blame even for cold.
BTW: In Denmark we had 100 year november cold record broken too.
K.R. Frank
Minus 4C equals about 22F.
At the rate this is going, better start building nuclear power plants right now. Do people realize that nuclear power plants can be now built on assembly lines, improving quality, making the construction the same, and improving the cost.
Yeah you guess it, just like China is currently doing.
Why not the USA, eco-nuts please answer the question.
“2010 is close to the hottest ever”
Maybe their thermometers are “in the pipeline” with all of the missing heat.
About “hottest ever”: Take a look at the GISS anomaly for last winter: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=10&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=1203&year1=2010&year2=2010&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=reg
The annual global mean gets a lot of contribution from those strong positive anomalies in Arctic Canada. That conveniently hides the fact that these areas weren’t exactly balmy last winter: Take for instance Cambridge Bay, Nunavut, which was +5 C warmer than normal in February 2010. +5 doesn’t sound quite as impressing when you hear that the mean temperature was -28 C, while the normal is -33 C…
It makes me wonder if computing a global mean makes any sense at all…
The Gulf Stream current moves water at 30 million cubic meters per second.
According to Wikipedia, about 780,000 cubic meters of oil were released by the BP spill.
So, the oil may have slowed the current down…. for 3 hundredths of a second.
BBC News reported this morning that a -15C temp in the north of England (i.e. NOT Scotland) was the lowest since records began.
But yesterday same BBC News told us that the extreme UK cold was due to the Arctic melting which is, as predicted, due to AGW.
The Metro paper this week had a picture of a polar bear with cub on its back and the caption said that the polar bears had to swim further for food because the ice was melting (implication – it is warmer) and that the incidence of cubs riding on their mother’s for warmth back was increasing (implication – it is colder)
Heads they win, tails they win …
Whats all the moaning about!
The met office and UAE are about to prove that this is the warmest year since records began.
I prefer to listen to the experts who are paid to know about such things.
Feeling cold is just a relative thing.
If you don’t believe me try this!
Go outside in your swimsuit for an hour then come back inside.
Its much warmer now- see I told you.
Bob Tisdale says: {December 3, 2010 at 3:49 am}
“Is it true that the record lows are being blamed on the Gulf oil spill slowing the Gulf Stream? I heard that in conversation a few weeks ago.”
Bob,
I live along the southwest coast of Florida. No oil (read as none, nada, zip) ever came even remotely close to us. I also understand that no oil actually made it to the loop current in the Gulf of Mexico which would have possibly allowed it to make it’s way to the Bahamas. I have heard no reports of any oil there. I guess people just don’t understand how vast the waters of the world are.
“Jon says:
December 3, 2010 at 4:57 am
Our temperatures in Newfoundland are well above normal for this time of year … but hey it’s just weather :)”.
Like all all the other temperature quotes above, I suggest we hold our breath and wait for Dr Roy Spencer to post Nov. anomaly on http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/.
My guess is the we will see a further cooling. The question is how much and again in December. Most recent value using curser shows 0.23C drop compared with 28 November 2009. 1 December difference 0.39F (yes F) compared with last year. So temperatures are coming down and the party may be spoilt for those predicting 2010 as the hottest year ever. Let me predict that whatever happens, GISS will have 2010 as the hottest year EVER.
Reference above, the readings were taken off http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/
Sorry about that omission.
Coldest in at least 222 years”as far back “reliable” records go” in trondheim, norway where i sadly happen to live. Nearly every other month of 2010 beat records going decades back and we did not even have summer temps in june.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Coldest_in_Norway_in_222_years.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/
“It’s now been confirmed that last night was the coldest night ever recorded in Yorkshire with the mercury at Topcliffe in North Yorkshire falling to minus 19.0C.”
“Scampton in Lincolnshire has also broken its winter record, with Minus 13.6C.”
“Sheffield Weston Park is one of the most important observation sites in the UK simply because it has one of the longest data sets, records having started in 1882.
So it is very noteworthy when records are broken. Data is used for climatological purposes by the Met Office.
The snow depth recorded yesterday, 38cms of level snow in the city centre, was the deepest in any month since 1958.
It was also the deepest snow recorded in December since records began in 1882.
This follows the lowest minimum temperature ever recorded in November on the morning of Sunday 28th November, when the mercury fell to minus 7.2C.”
Anthony
I am an avid reader of WUWT. However, someone needs to look into the claims that 2010 is “going to be the hottest or is the hottest year”. Readers of your site know that “adjustments” are occurring in all of the temperature databases shared by the leading climate investigators. We need to know if 2010 is the hottest because it is real or because of the adjustments.
Jon says:
December 3, 2010 at 4:57 am
“Our temperatures in Newfoundland are well above normal for this time of year … but hey it’s just weather :)”
True, around Greenland and eastern Canada the temps are above normal. Appear to be the only place though as the global mean temps are low.
Large parts of Europe are freezing their butts off. Cold records were broken in the Netherlands as well. In Belgium too, I believe. “Normal” for this time of year here is around 7C, temperatures have been sticking around -7 for several days now. And the long term shows less cold temperatures, we will still be well below normal for the coming weeks it seems.
I had a wonderful skiin holiday in Vermont, during the ‘Winter of 96’ and the 4 hours before we landed Boston had snow to 18ins. We landed 1.5 hours late which I had no problem with. In fact I was surprised that Boston Airport had cleared snow so quickly. Part of the ho;iday deal was a car which we drove to Stowe and arrived at midnight after an exciting drive. The following morning the temperature in the town was -30F, which I thought was a bit cold, and the car would not start. I soon learned from that. The next night that car ran all night and we had a lovely warm car to get into. So -30 is no stranger and we will get more.
One good thing about sub-zero temperatures is that driving on ice becomes the same as driving on gravel. plenty of grip provided your speed is kept fairly low, 30-40 mph.
Keep Warm!!
I know the graph is only for Novembers, but it doesn’t look like there has been much warming over the last century. And seeing as this is close to the Arctic where we are supposed to be seeing major warming – where is it ?
120 car accidents from snow yesterday, in the morning alone, in Berlin—-but we’ve been told snow is a thing of the past
1 minute video
http://preview.weather.com/outlook/videos/much-of-europe-paralyzed-by-snow-18948
Time to return to posts on the Sun and on Landscheidt/Jose/…Minimum. (BTW: In these days “Watts Effect” is needed)
Didn’t AGW predict most warming in the coldest parts of the world? Or did they move the goal posts again?
@Pamela Gray
But what seems to control the jet stream when you look at past history??
It is all the sun… This is the forth year in a row with jet streams being more south than normal over EU coincidencing with the grand solar minimum. I said it last year and the year before that jet streams would continue to move southwards causing colder winters in Europe.
The reason for the heatwave in Russia during this summer, was due to the change in jet streams as well, and similar events have occurred during beginning of previous extended minimums.
My bet is that such winters will be more of the norm over the next decades-century depending on how deep this grand minimum goes.
Bob… No way.
Will R says
I’m sure too Will that those thermometers get swapped every so often to another oral cavity.
PAULO80
What the WMO conveniently neglects to mention in their latest news clippings about Canadian weather and weather in general is that the main reason for the anticipated record temperatures in Canada during 2010 and the warm 2010 winter is the 2009/2010 El Nino .Also we have had 4 El Nino’s during the last 7 years .This is more frequent than in the past when they happened once every 4-7 years. Eight of the last 10 years have been affected by the natural occurring El Nino to some degree. Thus the prime reason for the warm decade and the warm the 2010 winter in Canada is the El Nino. This has very little to do with global warming or increases in greenhouse gas emissions. This weather reporting biased to global warming and geared for the Cancun political meeting. They do not even mention that the global temperatures have been flat now for 10 years and most of the climate anomalies are rapidly dropping .
I figure the reason “record warmth” was recorded is the only places new measurements have been taken is where it is warm. After all, no one want to live in the cold.
Come to think of it, since the end of the cold war, haven’t several measurements from Siberia been removed from the global measurements?
Rule number one with AGW – the warming only ever occurs in remote areas where nobody can verify it. You know the sort of thing, great red blobs over Siberia and the middle of Antarctica.
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The NAO index is decreasing again. It has been strongly negative since December 09.
http://ioc3.unesco.org/oopc/state_of_the_ocean/atm/nao.php
It is starting to look like the 1955-1980 period when we had our last global cooling scare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Winter-NAO-Index.svg
I live in Voss, Western Norway in the inland. Today we broke the 20 C minus mark. In the weekend they expect some snow, so the temperature will warm up a little bit. Then next week the same clear and cold weather will return.
This is from the local newspaper. Google translation is amazing. This paper is written in the local language which is a form of old rural Norwegian which therefore is called “New Norwegian”and Google is able to translate it
Cold in Voss
As many have notiece, the Met office and other warmist organisations have pointed out that it would be even colder were it not for man made global warming. The logic goes like this:
The global averaged temperature is as warm as the 1998 previous record. But that was caused by the mother of all El Ninos. This El Nino is smaller by far, so, everything else being equal, the global temperature should be lower than 1998. Therefore, co2 has warmed the planet.
See if you can spot the flaws in the argument (hint: it has something to do with the phrase ‘everything else being equal.’)
I live in Norway too. I am glad I have a car.
AGW Fossil Fuel Progress Report: Coal Black Again.
Coal is hot “as lower-than-usual temperatures in Europe pushed up heating demand.”
…-
“Coal Set for Biggest Weekly Gain in 7 Months on European Cold”
“Benchmark European coal derivatives rose, heading for the biggest weekly gain in more than seven months and this year’s highest close as lower-than-usual temperatures in Europe pushed up heating demand.
Berlin will be as cold as minus 10 degrees Celsius (14 degrees Fahrenheit) tomorrow, compared with a December mean of minus 0.4 to 4.4 degrees from 1971 to 2000, information on the World Meteorological Organization’s website shows. The U.K.’s earliest widespread snowfall since 1993 has disrupted road and rail traffic, with icy weather likely to last until at least Dec. 8, according to private forecaster British Weather Services.
“Some extremely cold weather in Europe has fired up energy markets in Europe, bolstered demand and” pushed up prices, Sydney-based Citigroup Global Markets analysts Daniel Hynes and Alan Heap said in a report today. “With forecasts indicating the cold snap to continue into the foreseeable future and China on the verge of restocking ahead of the New Year, we see potential further upside.”
Coal for delivery to Amsterdam, Rotterdam or Antwerp with settlement next year rose $1.15, or 1 percent, to $111.75 a metric ton at 11:35 a.m. in London. A close at that level would be the highest for 2010 and a 4.6 percent weekly gain, the biggest since April 23. It gained 5.8 percent in November.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-03/coal-set-for-biggest-weekly-gain-in-7-months-highest-2010-close.html
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi
amicus curiae says:
December 3, 2010 at 4:01 am
and today I hear the cancoons saying 2010 is close to the hottest ever…?
Garethman says in response,
The spelling is Cancun. Therefore a plural or indication of belonging would not be spelt in the way indicated above. I am not not sure why it has been spelt in a way that could suggest a racist insult, but hopefully it is a one off and will not be repeated.
The Cancun conference is likely to be a shambles left to it’s own devices without our group using such dodgy terminology and giving the catastrophists ammunition.
The cold is clearly due to the algore effect, with the Cancun meeting underway.
The CAGW crowd amuses Gaia. She likes to poke them with a stick and then watch them run around.
Nice post. It is really cold here, that is confirmed.
I live ~30km south west of Oslo, and I have an on line weather station in my garden, running home made linux software to read out data every 10 minutes, put the values in a database and post current values and plots to this site
http://arnholm.org/wstation/
It shows plots for last 24 hours, last week and last 30 days (there is a bug causing the “last 30 days” plots to be corrupted around every whole hour, just wait 10 minutes to let it fix itself).
Why is there no ice shown off the coast of Norway in the sea ice reports if it’s so bloody cold there? Is there really no sea ice?
It’s not easy to find a global warming signature in Norway. Unfortunately it’s still too cold here. Where I live, the first snow arrives in October and it disappears during April. As it did 30 years ago.
http://climate4you.com/SnowCover.htm#Snow cover variations in southern Norway since 1896
It would be interesting to know reports, as the one given by Carsten Arnholm, Norway, from all WUWT regulars, so we could know how many degrees below normal temperatures are all over the world. We need a sort of continuous report of the current Solar Minimum.
http://squall.sfsu.edu/scripts/nhemjetstream_model.html
Frank Lansner says:
December 3, 2010 at 6:04 am
Yes its true, some are trying to make carbon-energy guilty for a possible cold winter by saying that the oil-spil in the gulf area would caus a very cold winter in Europe.
The oil spilled into the Gulf cannot be found, except for some on the sea floor. Anyone have pictures of Gulf oil in the Gulf Stream?
I noted in a previous post on the UK winter weather blog that the current cold spell in Europe and Asia could last for 4-5 months at least based on the past indications of SOI. Enviornment Canada prediction for the next 2-4 and even 4-6 for most for CANADA is for below normal weather. Europe will likely be the same in my opinion.
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/saisons/image_e.html?img=s234fe1t_s
@warren in Minnesota says:
December 3, 2010 at 6:20 am
Minus 4C equals about 22F.
-4C is 24.8F.
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I have no connection with the site, but I use it a lot.
EM Smith: “And the Pacific is showing decidedly cold…”
Not where I live:
“Weather records are being broken throughout the country by one of the strongest weather systems in the past 50 years…Monthly temperatures for November were more than two degrees above average throughout the South Island, where many long-term November temperature records were broken. It was also 0.5C to 1.2C warmer than usual throughout most of the North Island.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4418027/La-Nina-brings-scorching-summer
“New Zealand has just been through one of its warmest Novembers ever.”
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/november-temperatures-smash-records-3934575
In my experience, human beings tend to be a bit insular in their daily outlook, especially when bad weather strikes. This attitude becomes compounded in the more populous and media-saturated parts of the world, where the echo chamber effect takes over.
Mind you, one also tends to become a bit insular when good weather strikes.
Hmm. Time to fire up the barbie.
This web page correctly saw the cold problem some time ago. WUWT also did a track about this earlier
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/08/is-the-cold-weather-coming/
This may cause whale tale extinction on the Norwegian beaches.
Brendan H,
Here in Alexandra its been the hottest November on record according to NIWA’s adjusted data.
However the raw data from Cliflo shows that it was no different to 1937, 1958, 1985, and possibly cooler than 2007, 2008, and 2009. The highest temperature recorded this november was 31C. That was exceeded in 1937, 1958 and twice in 2008.
This was also the first November since 2001 that we’ve had to light the wood burner because of the cold. Frost and snow on a number of occassions during the month.
This site is interesting:
The warming trend in the Norwegian and Barents Seas (as well as the Arctic overall) is close to its end. The temperature there will level off in the next few years and then start to decline. The transition to a colder climate may be quite sharp.
As the westerlies slow down and the Icelandic low retreats to its more normal position between Iceland and the southern tip of Greenland, the fresh water inflow to the Nordic Sea though Fram Strait decreases. The reduction of fresh, buoyant surface water combined with overall colder temperature in the Arctic decreases water column stability and favors deep convection in the Greenland Sea. This thermohaline ventilation generates overflows to the North Atlantic, which also require a compensating inflow of Atlantic water to the Nordic Seas (Hansen and Osterhus, 2000). This starts a new cycle of warming, deepening of the Icelandic low and its shift eastward.
This could be the start to a new cycle!
http://www.climatelogic.com/trends/north-atlantic/conclusion.html
@Espen
“Espen says:
December 3, 2010 at 6:36 am
About “hottest ever”: Take a look at the GISS anomaly for last winter:”
Someone should also look at how they cherry pick “normal” period these days.
If it is cold they just seem to use a cold period or very long one so their map fits their agenda more.
@JDN
“Why is there no ice shown off the coast of Norway in the sea ice reports if it’s so bloody cold there? Is there really no sea ice?”
Because we are lucky enough to have the jet stream moving all across or coast.
Though i have a feeling this will change over the next years-decades.
Ocean freezing even in northern parts of Norway is pretty much unheard of. Even our fjords stay ice free during the winters.
If New Zealand was going through it’s warmest Spring ever, what was happening in Invercargill?
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/42857/
@JDN
“Why is there no ice shown off the coast of Norway in the sea ice reports if it’s so bloody cold there? Is there really no sea ice?”
Because we are lucky enough to have the gulf stream* moving all across or coast.
Though i have a feeling this will change over the next years-decades.
Ocean freezing even in northern parts of Norway is pretty much unheard of. Even our fjords stay ice free during the winters.
Edit: I sadly wrote jet stream instead of gulf stream.. I would be happy if mods could snip my previous comment. Thanks in advance
Garethman says in response,
The spelling is Cancun. Therefore a plural or indication of belonging would not be spelt in the way indicated above. I am not not sure why it has been spelt in a way that could suggest a racist insult, but hopefully it is a one off and will not be repeated.
You are being hyper sensitive here, aren’t you? Perhaps it reflects the way you think.
I read this as meaning ‘oon’ as in ‘loon’ (loony).
Lunar becomes Loon, in ridicule, and thus Cun becomes Coon.
So the simpletons of Cancun have to be Cancoons. To write Cuncuns would be idiotic, and have no ridicule merit whatsoever. (if one wishes to ridicule, of course).
Stop seeing racism in every knot and wrinkle of language.
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Regards the above comment: I am presuming that everyone knows that Loony came from Lune, the name of our moon. Those who worshipped the Moon (Lune) were said to be mad (loony).
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tarpon says: at 6:21 am
. . . nuclear power plants can be now built on assembly lines, improving quality, making the construction the same, and improving the cost.
These are good thoughts, but still, just thoughts.
Olkiluoto 3 was originally scheduled to be in operation in 2009 but is now about 4 years behind and double budget.
http://www.xe.com/news/2010/11/26/1548209.htm?c=1&t=
So, I agree – “better start building” because they won’t come too soon.
66 today in the Denver area, thank you La Nina!
I know this sounds trivial, but all this winter weather is taking place in the fall. I believe it lasts until the 21st.
Every winter when it is cold we burn a lot of coal to get warm. Hence, we produce a lot of CO2 and what is happening? With a few months lag we get really hot weather. CAGW is happening every year 😉
John Marshall says: at 7:13 am . . . that car ran all night
I use a block heater:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/517643/how_to_install_a_block_heater_in_your.html?cat=27
Some relevant photos:
http://www.kennedydiesel.com/dmaxblockheater.html
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C.M. Carmichael says: at 1:00 pm
Seasonal starts are country specific. The USA follows the sun but some places use a calendar – first of the month thing.
Apparently the polar bears suddenly started carrying their cubs around 2007 due to AGW, but this webpage, after a quick search says:
http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/polarbears/pbbirth.html
Date of publication: 2001.
“When ready, the mother polar bear leads her cubs to sea ice. Travel is slow with frequent rest and nursing stops. A mother will sometimes carry her cubs on her back through areas of deep snow or water”
So it’s more nonsense to scare to sheep.
Nice and warm here in Nova Scotia Canada. 46F and out and about without a jacket. Does that negate cold in Norway? Don’t be silly. Local means nothing globaly.
Interesting to see that Norway suffered from abnormal cold last month. In Hungary, we had the 6 or 7th warmest November since 1780. In contrast, 2010 October was the coldest in the last 40 years.
December tends to be below normal again: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Budapest_ens.png
Look,
Most of the temperature, snow, rain “records” come from city centers and/or airports. Quit complaining, you rural folks; its time to move to the center of the airports. We can buy and move those inexpensive foreclosed homes.
In addition, airports have the best snow removal equipment. After removal of snow the runways heat up faster (less reflection) so your new home will be warmer. This will be needed during a “quiet Sun”.
By the way, where are those Solar Physicists? Why haven’t they predicted the “quiet Sun” . Oh, I forgot, Solar Science is settled.
You all have heard/read that the Sun is 75% H and 25% He. But in the core, the Sun is 75% He and 25% H and other things. Maybe the core runs low on H every 400 years and the migration of H into the core takes a while; maybe 50 years (see Maunder Minimum).
Bottom line -> As it gets colder [quiet Sun], move to where it is warmer. It is warmer where the AGW people measure temperature!!!
jantar: “However the raw data from Cliflo shows that it was no different to 1937, 1958, 1985, and possibly cooler than 2007, 2008, and 2009.”
I’m not familiar with “Cliflo”, but the newspaper articles I linked to said that November was one of the warmest on record, and that several temperature records were broken.
“This was also the first November since 2001 that we’ve had to light the wood burner because of the cold.”
One of the articles I linked to refered to “above average” November temperatures, so a few cold nights don’t negate that claim.
Anecdotally, the warmer-than-normal November strikes me as credible. For example, it’s notable that temperatures in some parts of the deep south have on a number of occasions exceeded temperatures up north. You usually only get that sort of situation later in the summer rather than in spring, and for some places like Invercargilll, it’s rare even then.
Dr Roy Spencer’s data for November is now on his site:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
Although still comparatively high, the “satellite temperature” has dropped further to +0.38 degC
Ralph says:
December 3, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Garethman says in response,
The spelling is Cancun. Therefore a plural or indication of belonging would not be spelt in the way indicated above. I am not not sure why it has been spelt in a way that could suggest a racist insult, but hopefully it is a one off and will not be repeated.
You are being hyper sensitive here, aren’t you? Perhaps it reflects the way you think.
I read this as meaning ‘oon’ as in ‘loon’ (loony).
Lunar becomes Loon, in ridicule, and thus Cun becomes Coon.
So the simpletons of Cancun have to be Cancoons. To write Cuncuns would be idiotic, and have no ridicule merit whatsoever. (if one wishes to ridicule, of course).
Stop seeing racism in every knot and wrinkle of language.
.Garethman says:
Ah yes………..of course, it’s just me being sensitive. Tortuous rationale, but there we are, However I think the point has been made and hopefully we shall see no more of this sort of posting. Perhaps your connection with lunacy reflects the way you think?
In the final analysis lets hope the Cancunians as a local population have more sense than their visitors who it is hoped may see more pressing needs in that blighted Caribbean playground than the billion pound Dutch auctions rooted in discredited sciences.
For those of you determined to believe at all costs that “snow in your backyard means the whole world is freezing” the following excerpt from The Age newspaper will make your eyes squeeze shut.
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The 2010 heatwave has hit some of the world’s poorest and most vulnerable areas, with swathes of northern Africa and southern Asia sweltering through record average temperatures. New benchmarks were also set at the Greenland ice sheet and the Canadian Arctic, with average temperatures more than three degrees above normal.
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The original contrasts this with the cold temps elsewhere.
Don’t blame me if you walk into the coffee table and get a bruise on your thigh.
By changing the name from “global warming” to “climate change” climatologists made it clear that they’re not very confident which way global temperatures are headed. Global cooling would be much more catastrophic than global warming. If there’s a chance we’re headed toward another ice age, shouldn’t we be cranking out CO2 as fast as we can to mitigate the damage?
Paul80 and others, asking whether “2010 is almost certain to rank as one of the hottest three years on record” etc.
The El Nino this year lasted much longer than many had expected. If you accept that global lower troposphere temperatures as measured by satellite are a reasonable indication of global temperature, then the highest Jan-Oct global temperatures in the satellite era (1979+), from RSS, are:
0.61 1998
0.56 2010
0.39 2005
0.35 2002
0.35 2007
0.34 2003
0.28 2006
0.26 2004
0.25 2009
0.23 2001
0.18 1995
0.13 1991
Clearly 2010 is in the top three years, and likely to stay there even if Nov & Dec temperatures drop sharply. And clearly the last decade will be the warmest of the three decades of the satellite age.
It doesn’t prove AGW, just that this last El Nino was quite a powerful one. But warmists may exploit it of course.
(RSS temperatures from http://www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_time_series/RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU_Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_2.txt)
Kevin Mowen says: December 3, 2010 at 7:05 am
Seconded. Especially with the refutation of Steig’s Antarctica “warming” in Nature. Willis?
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The Norwegian part of me is over the moon that Norway has broken so many records for cold, and that we now see so many Norwegians posting here. Norway has been pretty bad re. AGW – and that is shameful because Norwegians have traditionally been the best weather recorders (and hence, climate observers, and polar explorers) through sheer necessity.
The English part of me fears for the coming cold, comfort-wise.
Brendan H says:
December 3, 2010 at 10:36 am
EM Smith: “And the Pacific is showing decidedly cold…”
Not where I live:
‘Weather records are being broken throughout the country by one of the strongest weather systems in the past 50 years…Monthly temperatures for November were more than two degrees above average throughout the South Island, where many long-term November temperature records were broken. It was also 0.5C to 1.2C warmer than usual throughout most of the North Island.”’
Thanks. Comparisons such as the one you make are valuable. However, as someone who has lived in Florida, Missouri, and Virginia over the last few decades, I am unaware of “hot spells” that compare to the many “cold spells” that occurred. I report cold spells, such as our third annual December disaster in Central Florida, because they are very extreme and have very nasty effects on the foliage. If I knew of comparable hot spells, I would report them just as readily. But the last hot spell I experienced was in Missouri in 1982 when we found ourselves mowing grass in November, at least two months late. What gives? Must I chalk up my experience to “Weather” and say that it is evidence of nothing while I must take seriously an abstract “global average” that depends on utterly mysterious calculations undertaken on the basis of temperature readings that are notoriously unreliable? Will the “global average” always remain purely abstract? Why should I care about it?
My question is why is it only 10C inside the house?
We’ve one of these in/out thermometers as well, I was impressed with our -33 and +23 inside from a couple of winters ago. Before that was only able to get +19 to +20 inside by the windows during these cruel minus temps, until we changed them to better ones.
Being from northern Ont, I can tell you what it’s like to have square tires start your morning route to work. Hopefully unlike me, you’ve remembered to unplug the car as these grounded extension cords are not cheap by the week… and the am radio announcer says in an overly cheery voice, expecting a high today of minus twenty-two with sunshine – oh yippy; wiper fluid is slushy and/or pump is weak, so you’re scrapping ice off the windshield inside and out, the side windows, the side mirrors, scrapping the windows by hand to see out as you not dare use your power windows in case they freeze open. I’d be happy with a slight temp increase in our region during winters.
~ anyone who believes in AWG must be living in a cocoon, JMHO.
Now that temps are dropping due to AGW, what better time to spend WAY more on energy sources you all require to stay alive in your homes! Invest in green energy(Ill invest in a wood boiler btw as everything else will be taxed to the skies) and you can use that warm feeling from being green friendly to stave off the frost bite lol. Cant you people see that its a scheme to make us all pay taxes on the basic necessities to stay alive? Dont pay, then die. No need to send to collections lol. Most of the developed world happens to be in climates that require heat in the winter to keep from freezing to death. Hmmmmm. How convenient.
Theo Goodwin: “Must I chalk up my experience to “Weather” and say that it is evidence of nothing while I must take seriously an abstract “global average” that depends on utterly mysterious calculations undertaken on the basis of temperature readings that are notoriously unreliable?”
In my original post I was pointing out that the claim that the Pacific is “decidedly cold” was not accurate for at least a portion of the south-west Pacific that I am familiar with. So everybody will have a story to tell about the weather.
I can’t say whether your experiences of warm and cold weather periods is either accurate or significant, so I can’t make any comment.
Otherwise, your question is essentially rhetorical, so you will already know the answer you are looking for.
“Will the “global average” always remain purely abstract? Why should I care about it?”
An average is an abstraction, anyway. But the way I read the “global average” is as a proxy for energy, and that seems to have been incereasing over time.
As to why you should care about it, that would depend on whether you accept that the global average temperature is an indication of climate change, which in turn could bring undesirable effects. If you don’t accept those things, then there’s no reason for you care about it.
Brendan H says:
December 3, 2010 at 8:00 pm
As to why you should care about it, that would depend on whether you accept that the global average temperature is an indication of climate change, which in turn could bring undesirable effects. If you don’t accept those things, then there’s no reason for you care about it.
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Wha? Huh???
And there is definitely no reason for me to care about your musings here, either.
What the hell are you going on about? We can not be sure.
But I think I get the gist. NZ….warm.
Big flippin’ deal.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
150 countries could experience 10 months of record or near record coldest months in some given year and somehow CRU/GISS/NASA will tell everybody throughout that year that the year is one of the 3 or 4 warmest on record. And then, Voila! At the end of the year, there are the adjusted numbers, smacking everybody in the face, turning an entire year of cold weather into an entire year of warm climate. – and proving that weather is not climate…
It only hurts when we laugh…
>>Tortuous rationale, but there we are, However I think the point has
>>been made and hopefully we shall see no more of this sort of posting.
The point has been made that you are one of those super-sensitive types who take offense at every possible juncture. And because of this I daresay that the Loons at Cancun will be known as the Cancoons for ever more.
BTW, I made a mistake. Because the moon is female, she should be Luna with the ‘a’ suffix. From which we derive luna-tic. Sol, on the other hand is male. Thus an eclipse was the cosmic bodies in flagrante delecto, which is why an eclipse was such an important event. In symbology, it is represented by the Star of David.
“The point has been made that you are one of those super-sensitive types who take offense at every possible juncture. And because of this I daresay that the Loons at Cancun will be known as the Cancoons for ever more”.
Thank you for your psycho-analytical profile of my personality which you appear to have carried out despite having never having met me or knowing anything about me. Throughout the ages complaints like mine were call “being sensitive” or “having no sense of humour” Fortunately we have moved on are now more aware of the impact of our jibes and digs at other cultures. By the way I don’t think our opponents in this debate are mad, they are just wrong. If such words were directed at us I ‘m sure Anthony would flag up the idiocy of such attacks. To band about any such words also undermines the suffering of victims of mental illness across the world.
You may claim the right to continue posting words which could be considered by some offensive, You will no doubt continue to rationalise why that’s OK. But hopefully people like me will continue to remind you of why it’s not OK, and keep this site based in science and our cause and not used as a vehicle for the promotion of left or right wing bigotry or insults to other cultures and peoples wherever they may be.
It’s damn cold here in Norway, no doubt!! This article is not correct, becuase it was published (at yr.no) on 30.nov. The last 24 hours was even colder, the average for novemer dropped from 3,57 to 3,9. Nov 2010 now share the record with nov 1919.
We’re looking forward to a new cold and snowy winter, like we had last year. The coldest winter on record (dec-feb) i Norway was in 1965-66, it started also with a cold November…
Btw, this is not a Norwegian “problem”. Most of europe got cold, snow and problems.
Norway is pretty bad re. AGW. There are no politicians declaring the whole thing for the scam that it is. Most scientists are either pro AGW or keep their mouths shut. Media censor reader’s comments RC-style.
Sometimes, though, you get a glimpse of reality, from Dagbladet today:
Tror kulde skaper klimatvil (“believes the cold creates climate doubt”)
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/12/04/nyheter/miljo/klimaendringer/kulde/14571242/
The article says that the number of norwegians believing climate change is caused by humans is down from 58% in Feb 2002 to 51% now.
Google translate (via Tiny URL)
http://tinyurl.com/32jt3ed
Look at who the norwegian media are asking for expert views of why this change has come about:
We are spoon-fed this stuff every day. Sometimes I thing it will never end. But it will.
We have a short break in the weather here in Wales where the temperature has risen to the dizzy heights of 4c. We are told by the Met Office that the cold conditions will return tomorrow. Getting through huge amounts of bird food as we have a had a major influx of birds from the continent fleeing arctic conditions.
La Nina winters often start cold, and then become milder, which may explain the old rhyme:
“Ice in November thick enough to hold a duck
Means nothing thereafter but rain and muck.”
Joe Bastardi and others predict a cold start, followed by a milder winter, however Joe Bastardi poked around the old records, and found the exception to the rule, which was the very cold winter of 1917, which he calls “the La Freaka winter.”
Therefore you young fellows with good circulation can keep your hopes up for a winter that makes your teeth chatter. As for me, I like it warm.
Carsten Arnholm, Norway says:
December 4, 2010 at 2:02 am
“It is common for short-term weather events are mixed up with long-term climate trends, “said Professor Mike Hulme at East Anglia University in Britain.”
Yes, and look who they ask. Of course no one else could be found.
Mike “lets get all the dollars we can from climate” Hulme.
>>Fortunately we have moved on are now more aware of the impact of
>>our jibes and digs at other cultures.
You sound like the typical PC bullyboy that we are faced with in the Warmist brigades – do as I say and speak like I demand, otherwise I am going to call you names and report you to the PC police, and compare you with holocaust deniers (or racists).
If you think a comparison with the Moon is going to offend other cultures and the mentally ill, you need to get out and socialise more. There is a big world out there, you know, and many of its people laugh, have fun and make jokes. Lighten up, chum, life is for living.
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Brendan H,
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html
Seems you are right. There are areas where it is warmer than normal. Being insular you probably didn’t realize that you were in a warm pocket while the ocean in general is cooling in you area and by average.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/11/preliminary-november-2010-sst-anomaly.html
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps
(select sea surface temperatures)
All you Norse folks,
My grandfather was born and raised on Midgulen fjord and supposedly skated down the coast to Bergen back in the 1890s. Do any of you have records/stories that would back this up? Given the above conversations, it must have had an additional Gulfstream element not currently found.
Man Tran,
The last decades in the 19. century were very cold in Norway, the last breath of the LIA they say. Then, the climate became warmer for a period, the 1930’s were just as warm as the 1990’s. In between we had a 30-35 year period of cold climate again. My father in law told me when he was a kid (in the 50’s), they used small ice shelfs as boats. Just for fun. This was in spring, because during the winter, there where seaice all along the coast. This was a bit north of Bergen, but still way south of Trondheim. These areas have the same climate/temperatures.
As you mention, the Golfstream makes all the difference. These parts of Norway is as far north as the Hudson Bay, but the climate are much nicer/warmer. We have had 2 cold periods and 2 warm periods since late 1800’s, each about 30-35 years. You can see this in the november temperatures as well (se the article). Now the 3. cold period has just started (cold winter last year as well), we’re (ok, I’m..) expecting cold climate until ca 2040.
savethesharks: “”And there is definitely no reason for me to care about your musings here, either.”
I’m not asking you to. The original question was: “Why should I care about it?” (ie the average global temperature), which is more an assertion than a question, so depends on what you think about AGW.
kuhnkat: “Being insular you probably didn’t realize that you were in a warm pocket while the ocean in general is cooling in you area and by average.”
As you can see from the URL, one of the articles I linked to referred to a La Nina weather pattern.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4418027/La-Nina-brings-scorching-summer
Ralph says:
You sound like the typical PC bullyboy that we are faced with in the Warmist brigades – do as I say and speak like I demand, otherwise I am going to call you names and report you to the PC police, and compare you with holocaust deniers (or racists).
If you think a comparison with the Moon is going to offend other cultures and the mentally ill, you need to get out and socialise more. There is a big world out there, you know, and many of its people laugh, have fun and make jokes. Lighten up, chum, life is for living.
Hi Ralph, good to hear from you. When we accuse our opponents of being mentally ill, or label them with sly racist comments it’s not clever. It’s a bit like warmists accusing us of right wing bias, being funded by oil and filming videos of dubious taste. It’s just dumb. We are supposed to be the good guys. There is never anything funny about discrimination, it’s the last resort of those who use such terminology to accuse someone who is offended of having no sense of humour. Should we have laughed at children being blown up for questioning climate change science? Should we tell Anthony to get a life when he is insulted by warmists? should we be free to disregard decency that has built up through the efforts of many people over the last 50 years. Of course not. As an American you may have differing perceptions to Europeans, I accept that, but try also to accept that people on this site from minority cultures do deserve some respect, and calling people c**** is never acceptable, even when it is tortuously rationalised by saying it was meant to be lunatic. Try and stick to the science, and if someone does feel they have been insulted, go with it, it’s no great problem, it’s not about bullying or political correctness. It’s just about common decency, Ask yourself, would you speak to individuals from various cultures using on a face to face basis using the terms bandied about above? Of course not,because you are likely to be like most people, a thoroughly decent chap who would not wish to needlessly insult or hurt anyone. But I will take your advice and brave the cold for a nice room temperature pint of real ale tonight. Hopefully no-one will call me “chum” which is a type of dog food and not term used in the UK towards individuals, though it may have been used in the 1940s so may have crossed the water then
Cheers.
Mines a Felyn Foel.
The Long Ranger
http://www.accuweather.com/video/697195930001/the-long-ranger.asp?channel=vbbastaj
Heck of a problem at our local keeping the beer at the correct temp. As posters know good beer should always be served at room temp, but our landlords cellars are not coping with the cold. We have had to resort to putting our pints in front of the fire to warm them a tad before drinking them. Lord knows what it must be like for our Scandinavian cousins. I did however hear a strange rumour that in North America people enjoy their beer in this way. Very odd. I wonder if this tradition is contributing to what appears to be climate cooling.
Act locally, help the climate, drink your beer nice and warm, you know it’s good for you!
Sweden is very cold too. I remember hearing that this November was the coldest ever in Stockholm (but I haven’t dug up official figures). Eg railway traffic is severely disrupted.
–Ahrvid
I agree. Just makes you feel all, er, warm inside, don’t it? Someone pass me a kleenex.
Gareth: “Act locally, help the climate, drink your beer nice and warm, you know it’s good for you!”
You mean “it’s good for what ales you”.
Well I really didn’t pay much attention to this thread; what’s to complain about; so Norway is cold.
Well I decided to read it all anyway. How nice to hear from all you Vikings, and read your stories of local weather lore; and your place names are like a magic book; Bergen and Trondheim; sound like fairy tale places.
So who’se great idea was it to rename Christiania to Oslo, which sort of sounds a bit blah.
How the hell are we supposed to learn where our ski turns come from; if they keep on renaming everything. That part of Europe is one part I would really like to visit. Is Finland really as Sibelius pictures it ? We learned today that the Finns, and the South Koreans have the smartest Science and Maths students; apparently the parents think that is more valuable than learning how to put a condom on a cucumber. Dunno why the parents are aloud to decide what their children are taught; we got rid of that idea here in America; the gummint are so much smarter than the parents.
I’m hoping that at least some Viking genes made it down into my Scottish/English ancestry; but I have to admit that Dala Horses; have me a bit baffled.
But back to your weather; sort of spooky to see your nummers, and read the same on the DMI high arctic Temperature graph.
I think I would be having a beer too if I was in your situation. Skoll!