Cancun: the rationing rationalizing

Skeptic Journalist not welcome at Cancun.
http://noteviljustwrong.com/blog/general/510

Mass suicide now the only option left say Cancun Scientists
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100065917/mass-suicide-now-the-only-option-left-say-cancun-scientists/

The sacrifice is never meant to be for them. Just the people that produce everything in the world. Kinda like Hollywood people spending millions on a party to raise thousands for the poor.
Some people actually believe it matters, but mostly it is about money and power. On my site I get both. Those that care about the science I enjoy, even if they disagree, but some of them… Not so much.
John Kehr

Not only does their ideology blind them to the true consequences of what their plan would ultimately do (as well as it’s actual chance of success,) it further blinds them to how hypocritical their actions are, or appear to those of us on the outside. Really, what a shame.
Mark

The people you see believe they have a Godlike purpose, a holy mission to save the planet and you really cannot get a more important task. Save the world and make a very good living, look at me I am so very important they seem to portray so very clearly.
These attendees you see depend on these meeting for their jobs, their livelihoods but it goes deeper and this is the key, they rely on the CAGW fraud for their living and that is a key enabler. Save the world, take a leading role in saving the world, imposing your own views and principles on the world gives one a sense of power and destiny and this binds participants together in a shared crusade, now combine this with the real aim of these so called summits which is of course to gather together a like minded group of individuals in a separate space where no counter view can intrude. Cults use this method very effectively, they take a group and exclude any potential elements who might pollute the group narrative belief system while strengthening the group think prejudice and sense of belonging.
Cancun and all the other summits are designed to emulate the success of cult groups in controlling group minds and actions, its really nothing more than a large version of the heavens gate cult meetings. Seal of one group from the larger community and give them a Godlike mission to save the planet while making sure that adherence to the cult narrative is fiercely defended and continued membership of the group requires total belief, it helps of course to make sure that future invites and salaries are used as disciplinary weapons to keep the belief system pure.
The CAGW summits should be seen and examined closely in this light, base tricks and deceptions and cunning manipulation of human frailties to further a corrupt end, as old as humanity and still we fall for the tricks?

Why refer to the World War II all the time?
Rationing of food, energy, and basic commodities for all who doesn’t belong to the carefully chosen, correct-thinking elite was a widespread practice in the Soviet Union, and still is an everyday, normal way of life in Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and many other socially and environmentally disastrous countries.
These are perfect examples of the social regime that the environmentalists yearn to impose on the whole world: they rule and dance, we work and starve.
In the final reckoning it’s really that simple. Isn’t it, Parteigenosse Pachauri?

Ok, as John Wayne said, “That breaks it!”
So when they get back they’ll be implementing skyrocketing energy bills for us, and telling us no eating meat?

Maybe they should continue the party over at one of Cancun’s dance clubs where, according to this Cancun Nightlife website, they can experience something cooling:
Dady’O:
“One of Mexico’s most popular clubs, Dady’O is known for endless nights of dancing, great parties, famous DJ’s, three dimensional laser show, CO2 cooling effects, action packed shows and theme parties. Considered an international hot spot for people from all walks of life..”
http://www.advantagemexico.com/cancun/nightlife.html
😉

Interesting bit on upper atmospheric sulfur dioxide causing heat trap on Venus. I think I would have initially guessed a different scenario, but the measure is real and the article is a caution against AGW intervention. Venus is the most hard rock volcanic planet in the Solar System by far. I don’t think that climatologists appreciate how much vulcanism has to do with atmosphere, IMHO.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130122035.htm

Mark T says:
November 30, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Mark is that for real or are you pulling a leg? A fair value box to pay for their meal?
Soldiers don’t have to pay for their rifle and ammo, helmets and body armour, which they need to fight, but they have to pay for a sandwich? nah!!!

There will be the same film in Cancun as it was last year in Copenhagen and nothing will be changed 😀

Dear Tim,
“Rational” and “Rationing” are two different words with two different meanings.
Capisce?

The less I hear of what the bureaucrats are saying at Cancun, the more worried I get that they will impose their agreement upon us.
The US administration has already indicated they will implement an agreement with or without the niceties of congressional approval. The EU long ago drank their Koolaid. China, Russia and India will sign and simply ignore it.
I preferred the open reporting from Nopenhagen to the relative silence from Can’tcon.

Mark T;
Join me in spreading this little mnemonic:
His-hers-its; he’s-she’s-it’s.
Pick the right group, and U can’t miss! 🙂

pat;
About that sulphur dioxide band around Venus, the close is

“We must study in great detail the potential consequences of such an artificial sulphur layer in the atmosphere of Earth,” says Jean-Loup Bertaux, Université de Versailles-Saint-Quentin, France, Principal Investigator of the SPICAV sensor on Venus Express. “Venus has an enormous layer of such droplets, so anything that we learn about those clouds is likely to be relevant to any geo-engineering of our own planet.”
In effect, nature is doing the experiment for us and Venus Express allows us to learn the lessons before experimenting with our own world.

Really, the experiment was done for us, a few million years ago by an advanced race on Venus ….
🙂
;p

save the last dance for me . this the last dance for globle warming

I wonder what sort of reception our bold Brit climate pioneers will get from their nearest and dearest when they get home from the beachfest?
Both the Tyndall Center (near Manchester) and CRU in East Anglia are paralysed by a few feet of freezing snow this morning.
Somehow I imagine that, if their wives have been digging the car out for the school and shopping runs, when Kev, Phil and the boys hop out of the airport limo, red eyed from pina coladas and belching from too many buffalo wings and bluefin tuna canapes – the reception might not be the moist eyed devotion they were expecting.
(NB -Personal experience has contributed to this theoretical scenario)

German Skeptics hit back at Industry funded Greenshirts
http://notrickszone.com/2010/12/01/german-skeptics-hit-back-at-industry-funded-greenshirts/

I cannot believe that Paul Crutzen, the Nobel winner for chemistry, is “advocating” injecting large quantities of SO2 into our upper atmosphere.
These are the thoughts of a madman, not a Nobel prize winner.

The ‘settled’ scientific debate – lost
The blind acceptance of the public – diminishing fast
The enforced mandatory laws – yet to come

Teaching largely social sciences ( and some science) in secondary schools for the past 37 years I can say that none of my colleagues were/are warmists. I looked at both sides of the argument in class but always concluded that runaway warmism was bollocks. When I left it gave me great pleasure to gather up all the warmist videos and literature and toss them into a skip bin.

Lloyd’s apparently doesn’t pay attention to the news. The relative flatline in oil production isn’t due to some bogeyman of peak oil…
Canada’s oilsands have already proven that novel ways of producing oil will become more affordable as the price creeps up, but to understand why we’re good for the conceivable future lies in the US production. While the EIA predicts a drop in crude oil production in 2011, it’s largely due to the fact that we’re still avoiding the Gulf.
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN3029057520101130
Long story short on that article, US proved sources of oil are up, and will likely continue to rise as we tap more areas of shale, provided oil prices stay stable. If they go way up, more risky ventures will be used to continue the supply. As much as people love pushing how we’re running out of oil, we have better than 3 years of domestic use already available in market ready sources.
Furthermore, all of this hinges on the Ruskies being wrong about abiogenic oil, in which case we’re gooooood… but even if they’re wrong, natural gas in the US is huge and growing right now, and with the recent development of Methane to Octane catalysts that may provide a future of gasoline production from CO2 and Methane, the idea that oil is running out is specious at best.
Besides, if the price of oil goes too high, then coal and natural gas will eventually follow (steam powered cars or LNG… vroom?) and maybe some of these “green” energies might actually become… y’know… economically non-suicidal?

Why is it that when people start talking about Venus in relation to Earth the elephant in the room is ignored? Maybe a lot of what happens there is not entirely relevant, what with it being 26 million miles closer to the sun?

“Mark T says:
November 30, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Not only does their ideology blind them to the true consequences of what their plan would ultimately do (as well as it’s actual chance of success,) it further blinds them to how hypocritical their actions are, or appear to those of us on the outside. Really, what a shame.”
I think you are too generous: my personal opinion is that they know exactly what the consequences of their plans are, and are unmoved. Rather, they are moved, but by the necessity of it all in their holy mission–Final Solutionists.
I don’t think they care how their behavior appears either–why would they? We are all enemies of the biosphere, and while we can’t be called “subhuman” (in this religious philosophy, there is nothing lower than us, humans), we are certainly subordinate to many other things, including our hypocritical self-proclaimed masters.

It’s Wednesday midday and so far I have seen nothing about Cancun on the BBC or Sky TV output, nothing!
It may be that the snow and bitter cold blanketing the country and the difficulties being experienced by the portion of the population that produces the goods and services necessary for life in the present harsh environment, has silenced the tax funded incubi and succubi .
Best not to tell us that this fourth winter in a row is weather not climate, and that a puny 0.7C rise in temperature over 100 years or so is more relevant and to be feared, than the now annual plunge below zero for week upon week of our maritime climate.
AGW in all it’s names is dead. The politicians (with the exception of the arch idiot Chris Huhne) have moved on to Renewable Energy which is fast developing the legs to stand unsupported by yesterday’s discredited scam.
As the goalposts move, I hope that this site will continue to move and cover the unholy chimera of green ideas and naked political opportunism. They already have a head start.

R. de Haan says:
November 30, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Mass suicide now the only option left say Cancun Scientists
What you have not “processed” yet is that that “rationing” it is already working, of course and as always, for the “little” and hard working people.
What do you think is it the “CRISIS” all about?

Throughout history there has been a character type I think of as the “pursed lipped brigade”. They are never fulfilled unless they are inflicting austerity or puritanism on the world. They cannot behold anyone having fun, flamboyant or life-affirming without thinking it vulgar and wanting to ban it. This character type never goes away, it’s just that circumstances provide them with more or less opportunities to inflict their psychopathy on others. Throughout history they have packed the bureaucracies. closed theatres, banned dancing, advocated taxes on anything that makes life worth living, imposed religious or political oppression and on and on.
This type of person will latch on to any cause, bogus or otherwise, which give them an excuse and scope for their behaviour – and CAGW provides them with the perfect opportunity. Of course there are many hypocrites advocating hair shirts while retaining silk for themselves but never forget those who would not only would wear a hair shirt themselves from psychological need but are also determined to share it with others, whether those others like it or not.

barbarausa says:
December 1, 2010 at 4:03 am
I think you are too generous: my personal opinion is that they know exactly what the consequences of their plans are, and are unmoved. Rather, they are moved, but by the necessity of it all in their holy mission–Final Solutionists.
I don’t think they care how their behavior appears either–why would they?
That’s what it means to be blinded by ideology. You know the consequences but they are acceptable since you have rationalized that your purpose is more important. The benefits, no matter how small, far outweigh any negatives. It was not at all generous of me to state that these people are nothing but irrational idiots. A truly rational mind would never consider such things.
Mark

artwest says:
December 1, 2010 at 6:10 am
Enjoying life is a Mortal Sin (Of course if you are a dirty and pesky “commoner”). Gotto read F.Nietzsche “Anti-Christ”.

Ref – Matt says:
December 1, 2010 at 12:31 am
“I remember someone suggesting to ban iced water in US in restaurants – and here they serve nothing BUT ice… 🙂 I love that stuff :)”
__________________________
People are responsible for the lack of sufficient ice at the North Pole to cool off the planet. There’s just too many of them eating too much of this scarce resource. The more they put in their drinks the more the temperature rises. There is deffinitely a real scientific connection here. I’m surprised the AGW Mob hasn’t asked for a ban on ice cooled drinks. I’m further surprised they’re meeting in Cancun and not someplace like Fairbanks. That’s another reason I think they’re currupt. CO2 my @#@!$! It’s all about the ice! The more we use, the hotter it gets!

Louise says:
December 1, 2010 at 5:03 am
tarpon – the whole ‘greenies killed poor black children ‘cos they got DDT banned’ thing is a myth. DDT didn’t get banned from use as an insecticide for use against mosquitos. It got banned as a general pesticed in farming.
Even Greenpeace advocate the use of DDT.
from http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/about/greenpeace-ddt-and-malaria
“DDT was never banned for use as a malaria preventative.
We support the continued use of DDT in malaria control programmes where there are no effective alternatives. “
Load of crap read this,
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html

Epigenes says:
December 1, 2010 at 1:49 am
“I cannot believe that Paul Crutzen, the Nobel winner for chemistry, is “advocating” injecting large quantities of SO2 into our upper atmosphere. These are the thoughts of a madman, not a Nobel prize winner.”
Those are the thoughts of an engineer. Not mad at all. If we were burning our fossil fuels as God intended the emissions would be laden with enough SO2 to negate any warming from CO2.
But nooooooooo. In a clear demonstration of the unintended consequences of enviromentalist whacko knee-jerk reactions the acid-rain and global cooling scares made SO2 into a pollutant which had to be scrubbed from auto exhaust pipes and industrial smokestacks. Instead of trying to limit CO2 emission (an economic and political impossibility) we should instead lift the restriction on SO2 emission which would restore the balance between the cooling nature of aerosols and the warming nature of greenhouse gases. I’m not sure if there was any substance at all in the acid-rain scare but even if there was the detrimental effects were localized around the largest industrial emitters and urban population centers. Restricting those might still be a good idea but elsewhere I say** cry havoc and loose the cooling particles of war.
**I’d say that only if I thought global warming was a bad thing but since I know that a warmer earth is a greener earth and that the earth is currently in an ice age with a vastly diminished biosphere as a result I would never advocate doing anything other than wanting more warming until such time as the earth is once again green from pole to pole with lush green plants and lots more animals farther up the food chain. Ice and snow pretty much translates to loss of life.

Robuk – that’s an editorial, ie an opinion.
I quoted directly from the Greenpeace website where it states that they SUPPORT the use of DDT.
Horses mouth and all that

Let’s not misunderstand them, they just wanna “optimize” world markets, world labor, and…, with them , their scarce profits.
There is a funny observation: Do you know what did worry the most women, before being “liberated”?, well, they worried about what marmalade they were going to prepare “today”….
So they sold them “women liberation”, now, both, husband and women work for a living, however, adding both salaries, it does not reach what the husband alone provided in the past…
An the same with all the rest…. 🙂

“Most of our 350 team has arrived in Cancun, where the weather is warm, the Gulf of Mexico is turquoise in color, and where we’re all brushing up on our Spanish language skills”
http://www.350.org/en/about/blogs/fired-ready-go
Party time

First, there is no connection between the Royal Society Phil. Trans. publication and the Cancun summit. Second, the Telegraph article only quotes one paper from the R.S. journal by Kevin Anderson. So the headline, “Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world,” is amusingly misleading.
Beyond this the quotes from the Telegraph are not in the paper Anderson wrote. I do not know where they came from. Did the reporter interview Anderson? It is not clear from the Telegraph article. I could not find anything about rationing in Anderson’s article. He does say:
“Only if Annex 1 nations reduce emissions immediately [35] at rates far beyond those typically countenanced and only then if non-Annex 1 emissions peak between 2020 and 2025 before reducing at unprecedented rates, do global emissions peak by 2020. Consequently, the 2010 global peak central to many integrated assessment model scenarios as well as the 2015–2016 date enshrined in the CCC, Stern and ADAM analyses, do not reflect any orthodox ‘feasibility’. By contrast, the logic of such studies suggests (extremely) dangerous climate change can only be avoided if economic growth is exchanged, at least temporarily, for a period of planned austerity within Annex 1 nations [36] and a rapid transition away from fossil-fuelled development within non-Annex 1 nations. ”
But he is not advocating stopping economic growth. He is discussing possible trade-offs. And, he is only speaking for himself and his co-author.
http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/369/1934.toc
The Telegraph article also quotes “Dr Myles Allen.” But he did not contribute to the R.S. special issue. Why is he being quoted at all?
But this is how myths are made. We jump from a statement that one scientist may or may not have made to a tabloid journalist to assuming the agenda of an internal conference, he may or may not be attending, includes WWII style rationing for the developed world. Does that sound like skeptical thinking?
REPLY: No connection of R.S. to COP16? Yeah, sure. That’s why the R.S. made these available Monday, the opening day of COP16 as opposed to last week, or last month, or a month from now. People last year tried to argue that the gushing release of dozens of science papers right before Copenhagen had nothing to do with it either. They failed too.
You live in a fantasy world Mikey.
– Anthony

“Most of our 350 team has arrived in Cancun, where the weather is warm, the Gulf of Mexico is turquoise in color, and where we’re all brushing up on our Spanish language skills”
I thought the Gulf was destroyed this summer. It’s still there? Missed that story.

This party looks like a last blast. The CO2 in all that booze might up the Mauna Loa meter a goodly amount. Hey, this is going to be worse than Copenhagen so we might as well get blasted.

Russia looks forward to global warming
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/for-russia-global-warming-benefits-outweigh-negatives/425466.html

Jean Brooks;
False. Start here: http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth#FAQ1
Then try this:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/clathrate-to-production/
There is no excess population-to-resources ratio. It’s just fine, and improving.