Of course, the big news this week had to do with the unbelievably vile and stupid video produced by the carbon reduction activist group 10:10 this week. But in its shadow, was another embarrassing news item the you’d think the green crowd would also want to denounce and distance from. Joe Romm and Bill McKibben have announced they detest the 10:10 video. Good for them, that’s the right thing to do, and I applaud them for doing it.
But Joe couldn’t resist his urges to get some licks in with his usual flaming rhetoric, making sure that his readers get reinforced with the message: 10:10 video bad, Watts bad. That’s not a surprise, as it is his standard predictable MO. Mr. Romm is as easy to forecast as DC summer weather; hot, muggy, with a chance of storms.
Due to the uproar over the 10:10 video, this story got rather buried in the climate news cycle. It is almost as embarrassing as the 10:10 video, because, well, who would want this guy to align with their cause?
An audio recording attributed to the al-Qaeda leader and broadcast on the internet yesterday expresses concern about the devastating floods in Pakistan and calls on Muslims to provide relief for the victims.”The number of victims caused by climate change is very big… bigger than the victims of wars,” says the recording.
If genuine, the recording would be Bin Laden’s first since March 25.
It was not clear when the tape was made, but Bin Laden congratulated Muslims on the holy fasting month of Ramadan which ended September 10.
“The catastrophe (in Pakistan) is very big and it is difficult to describe it,” the recording says.
“What we are facing… calls for generous souls and brave men to take serious and prompt action to provide relief for their Muslim brothers in Pakistan.”
The recording makes a series of recommendations to deal with climate changes namely preventive measures that should be taken by governments in the face of disasters.
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Given the events of this week, do the proponents of AGW really want to have OSBL, a man who kills people for having a differing view than him, as an ally for their cause? Do they really want an ally with a world voice that confuses weather with climate?
Note and update: Some people misunderstood my intent, that’s my fault for not writing clearly in the first place, and I accept the criticism for that and offer my apology if I unduly offended anyone. This was simply a case of writing something, then realizing that people were seeing it completely differently than I intended. I’ve removed the lines above that caused the issue and added this clarification below:
In case somebody misunderstands, it should be clearly understood that it is not my intent to compare these AGW proponents to OSBL in any possible way. I only want to point out that like with the 10:10 fiasco, AGW proponents that don’t want this sort of bad publicity connected with their movement, IMO should distance themselves and their organizations from OSBL.
This could be spun either way so it will end up being a non-issue.
Besides, the rabid attack dogs do not need any meat on the bone to gnaw away….
Ironic- this is a man who has no problem to blow people up who disagree
with him….
I was hoping he was reduced to a greasy spot on the side of a cave
in Tora Bora…
“What we are facing… calls for generous souls and brave men to take serious and prompt action to provide relief for their Muslim brothers in Pakistan.”
Well usually in this world, when people ned such help the generous souls are the US & UK, and the brave men the Marines and Sailors and Soldiers of said initialed countries .
But…
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/01/outrage-intensifies-pakistan-nato-strikes-militants-attack-fuel-trucks/
So if he is so charitable, let HIS troops do the work.
Vote vote vote vote, these idiots out of our house.
This is about as ridiculous a reach as any I have seen. A little bit like Sarah Palin and her “palling around with terrorists.” I would expect more from this site.
Perhaps this story should be kept in the public arena by referring to OSBL as a “Climate Change Spokesperson”.
Good on you Anthony, we need to get a link going in peoples minds between Bin Laden and the likes of Romm and McKibben.
REPLY: It is not my intent to compare them, I only want to point out that like with the 10:10 fiasco, AGW proponents that don’t want this sort of bad publicity, should distance themselves. I’m going to add that to the body of the story so it is clear. – Anthony
OSBL wants to disrupt western civilization at any cost. He’s very intelligent, and he kn0ws what a farce AGW really is, and what an economic disaster it will deliver if western governments implement expensive and unproductive climate related policies.
What better way to help us destroy ourselves than endorse the climate change fearmongering? It is fearmongering, and that’s what OSBL is best at.
The greenies will squeel for joy with this pronouncement…They’ll all proclaim!”See? Even terrorists are worried about climate change!”
You’ve got to hand it to Osama for being wily; he’s positioning his people for a piece of the BIG REAPPORTIONMENT.
The precursor of this was Obama’s apology tour and his constant support of the (wealthy) polluters reparations to the victims of climate change. Obama is ready to lead the rest of the Western World in paying for the shame of their wealth production. The dinner bell is ringing, and Osama is simply showing that he’s not bashful enough to lose his place at the feeding trough.
The greenies will squeel for joy with this pronouncement…They’ll all proclaim!”See? Even terrorists are worried about climate change!”
They might. I say propagandizing population intimidators seek their own level.
And Osama’s conversion the AGW is somehow not surprising.
And hey, y’all can mod out my previous comment if deemed too harsh.
10:10 did not escape Fox News:
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/10/02/climate-change-group-apologizes-violent-video
and in the comments for that page neither did OSBL’s climate change stance.
Word gets around. People know what’s going on.
btw… I believe this isn’t the first time OSBL has endorsed climate change.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/29/osama-bin-laden-climate-change
Well, there IS one thing both seem to have in common: a sincere desire to return to a medieval condition, by any means they deem necessary.
As confirmed by both Bhutto and Musharraf, OSBL apparently died in December, 2001 from natural causes. He remains ‘alive’ as a convenient PR weapon, in this case connecting weather to AGW. I’ll be convinced only when he makes a personal appearance on camera.
DJ Meredith says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:22 pm
The greenies will squeel for joy with this pronouncement…They’ll all proclaim!”See? Even terrorists are worried about climate change!”
I’m not a greenie, but, in your wet dreams.
First reaction is to laugh but thinking closer about it…….
All crazed movements were popular at one time in their history. Eugenics was popular around the world for many years before it was finally used as a political tool and taken to it’s “logical end” (rather, one of many possible interpretations). Granted there could have been other ways as well but genocide was still the result and likely it was only a matter of time before some one else did it. History makes note of what hitler did, but often glosses over what other nations did before war broke out. Eugenics was a global, popular movement and continued to quietly influence policy well into the post war era.
What global climate alarmism needs right now is a single voice or nation to unite the bafoons like the ones that made the “no pressure” video into a true powerful, and calculated movement. Al Gore was supposed to be that person but as it turns out he has the leadership and political reflex talents of an egg plant when not under supervision of his handlers, so he is out.
Bin Laden is not the one to lead a holy war against global warming either. The reaction from alarmists will probably be dead silence. Actually I do still find it a little funny that some one is trying to keep the torch burning for al qaeda by playing the global warming card. Its pathetic.
Anthony, I’m trying to work out what sort of comment you expect from Romm etc.
“OSBL is a baddie, we don’t endorse his concerns about AGW”?
Well, that wouldn’t make sense as obviously Romm is concerned about AGW.
“OSBL is a baddie, we share his concerns about AGW, but we don’t endorse his terrorist attacks”?
Do they really need to say that? If they don’t make such a statement are sceptics going to suspect that they do endorse OSBL’s terrorism, or at best, that they are indifferent to such acts of terrorism?
” He remains ‘alive’ as a convenient PR weapon, in this case connecting weather to AGW. ”
Absurd . What purpose would that serve ?
Greening up the Truthers ?
Get silly, that would be an improvement.
Non story. Dozens and dozens of people make stupid comments about floods. That Osama adds his voice makes him one of the dozens you can buy for a dime.
PJB said it already, but it bears repeating. The pro-AGW crowd is packed full of attack dogs. That fact does not speak well for people who claim to be scientists. The chief character trait of the true scientist is humility. The late Richard Feynman is a good example. But, as we all know, the pro-AGW crowd consists almost entirely of people who are interested in policy and who will sacrifice science for the sake of policy. They would make good communists.
OSBL is all for something that will damage the west. He did want the attack of Wall Street to be a financial pain.
In my opinion Tim is right. OBL has been gone a long time. Maybe even longer.
@Andrew W:
Don’t be so quick to dismiss the greenies embracing that “Even terrorists are worried . . .”
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/bin-laden-floods-climate.php
and I quote:
“Even a guy in a cave can tell that climate change is happening now and that it is having horrible effects. In this case, the guy in a cave is Osama Bin Laden . . . “
Perhaps if Joe Romm considered becoming a Democrat challenger to Obama’s nomination for the next Democratic Party Presidential candidate, then Osama might consider giving Joe an endorsement.
Alarm ringers like Hillary who connected Pakistani flood devastation with AGW seem to be rather rather mum about the fact that they that they managed to convince Osama.
I’m not real sure if she would take pride in this achievement or not.
Anthony, notwithstanding your objection, Andrew W correctly gets your intention when he writes in a comment above:
“Good on you Anthony, we need to get a link going in peoples minds between Bin Laden and the likes of Romm and McKibben.”
As I remark in my post, both you and Romm have no problem playing the guilt-by-association card:
http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2010/10/02/bin-laden-and-anthony-watts/
REPLY: And Keith Kloor thinks he knows exactly what people were thinking when they wrote something. Congrats on creating a problem for yourself Keith. – Anthony
Anthony, I have an OT concern about ad activity on your site. [snip, yes OT, and I have no control over Google Ads, wordpress.com provides links with them through a cooperative agreement – Anthony]
Gentle Bin? Of course he’d want to save the polar bears.
“In my opinion Tim is right. OBL has been gone a long time. Maybe even longer.”
In my opinion you are completely wrong .
I would classify this as a cheap shot from Romm or you Anthony. Sorry, we’ll agree to disagree here.
tats says:
October 2, 2010 at 7:05 pm
In my opinion Tim is right. OBL has been gone a long time. Maybe even longer.
I also agree. Why no video?
“Do they really need to say that? If they don’t make such a statement are sceptics going to suspect that they do endorse OSBL’s terrorism, or at best, that they are indifferent to such acts of terrorism?”
Actually Andrew, they do not need to say anything.
That the Islamo-Fascists want to jump on the Eco-fascist’s bandwagon
requires no comment, just some thought, about lies and the liars who repeat them.
I responded in the McKibben blog that I would find McKibben’s concern about the 10:10 video more congruent if McKibben hadn’t spent so much time in that post bashing skeptics.
My comment was deleted.
The AGW folks are consumed by their zeal and certainty. They do not notice how unhinged they appear to ordinary citizens, and how easily they can cross into vile territory like the 10:10 film.
Labeling skeptics as “deniers” is only somewhat less virulent IMO than pressing a red button and blowing them up in a fantasy turned into film.
Anthony, what problem have I created for myself? I just don’t get the logic of your post, other than to score cheap political points.
REPLY: The problem is your rush to judgment, you have my email, you could have asked. Whatever happened to the “talking to understand” side of your profession before you render a judgment on person’s state of mind? That’s very unprofessional for a psychologist to do IMHO. I’m very disappointed in you. I used to think you played fair and professionally.
I believe your rush to judgment injures me.
Sheesh, now I get jumped on for praising Bill and Joe for their denouncement of the 10:10 video, and saying take it a step farther? It’s an opinion, an idea, a suggestion, not a labeling. Why would anyone (except members of his Al Queda sect) NOT want to refute Bin Laden’s position if he agreed with them? I’m simply saying that while these two guys are denouncing bad acts like 10:10’s fiasco, they have a chance to raise themselves in the eyes of many by denouncing Bin Laden’s position, which confuses weather with climate.
If they did, I’d publicly thank them for doing so.
– Anthony
Why no video?
I’d suggest that he purchase a new I-phone4, and call Fox News for a live (for awhile) interview.
Could be angling for the soon to be vacated post as head of the IPCC.
This is bogus. OBL has been dead for years. Research “Tim Osmand”. He worked for CIA.
R. Craigen @ 7:12 “exactly the product I was searching for, linking to”
Not too many days ago I suggested that people look at a web site for a specific charity. Their adds have been coming at me ever since. Sort of odd in that I was recommending them and now I am being targeted. Shouldn’t they be trying to reach people that don’t know of them?
Yes, it seems to me more likely that OBL has been dead since 2001, and that this latest recording is fraudulent. Seriously, how long would you expect a man who was suffering from kidney failure in summer of 2001 and dependent on a dialysis machine, to last in the mountains of Afghanistan? A month? A year? Nine years?
Anyone is, of course, free to disagree.
Tom in Texas, Tats, and Tim: the conspiracy theory isn’t very likely. Occam’s razor should be used. The more likely alternatives are: 1) Bin Laden never existed at all, and has always been a fabrication, or 2) Bin Laden is real and still alive. Real and fake at the same time seems to be pushing it to me.
I really don’t think this helps.
Do we sceptics need to distance themselves from every person we find undesirable who happens to be a sceptic? I certainly hope not and every time the CAGW crowd tries to smear us by association I think that’s pretty petty and neither here nor there.
But you know what is really interesting ?
Virtually EVERYONE has in fact, pitched in enormous amounts of money and aid for Pakistan. Including islamic and truly poor nations.
What is Osama talking about ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pakistan_floods
Keith Kloor;
In Osama’s vision of the the future has he would have it, he stands in front of a class of children and begins the lesson with a prayer. Upon noticing that some of the children are less than enthused with the prayer he has chosen, the produces a small box with a red button…
Osama’s ideology is identical to that expressed in the 10:10 video, only the “religion” is different. Those in the warmist community who have distanced themselves from the 10:10 video should rightly be asked to do the same with Osama.
Oh? Bin Laden? You mean the guy in cave on kidney dialysis who’s been running around with his dialysis machine in tow, keeping one step ahead of infidel forces?
I call US intel nonsense, like a bunch of the other released videos and recordings that were shown to be fakes.
Fwiw, the chances of Bin Laden being alive are minor at best. He required weekly kidney dialysis and this is not something that comes easy in the tribal zone of Pakistan. Further, the release of only tape recordings without any video for many years now point to a guy who is good with a computer and another guy who is no longer among the living. AQ was targeting the House of Saud. No more, no less. Guilt by association to the moonbats with 1010 really does not make AQ any greener than Australia after the locusts were done with it. Hitler was a vegetarian with one testicle. That does not make vegetarians Nazis or people with one testicle Nazis. The may be, but that is the extent. Its an orthogonal axis.
Maybe Osama is just shootin’ for a Nobel?
I hear it’s pretty easy.
[snip, I understand your sentiments, but let’s not invite another sect into the argument here, even in jest ~mod]
I want to correct a mistake in my earlier post. I wrote that the pro-AGW crowd is packed full of attack dogs. Change that to Pit Bulls.
Just a note. Someone did a study of the Bin Ladin videos, post 9-11. He has the most MARVELOUS plastic surgeon! His MD has managed to change his nose something like 5 times, from flat and oblate, to pointed and hawk like. Amazing man, OBL, more “looks” than a People Mag. Starlet!
So has anyone nominated Osama for IPCC Chief?
OBL is almost certainly dead. (Though a friend of my mother’s is sure she saw him buying pot plants in a gardening shop in Devon.)
He is supposed to be the great mastermind of a bunch of highly trained terrorists, but none of them can slip over to Dubai and buy some tax-free decent video equipment.
This story is just agricultural by-product.
Anthony, it appears that you have some readers here who agree with me on the “association” charge.
I’ll just say this (which I wrote as part of reply to you over at my site) before calling it a night (it’s getting late here on the East coast): You’d have a better argument if Bin Laden’s jihad against the West stemmed from radical environmentalism instead of a radical Islamic worldview.
~mod,
That’s ok. But it is possible that your radar needs some recalibration/
Come on , get a grip. The man died years ago, while alive he was a CIA asset. How can intelligent people like yourselves see past the AGW scam whilst failing to percieve the various other deceptions our corrupt governments and media have foisted upon us?
Why don’t you take a look at the collapse of WTC7, read the NIST report that states the building fell at FREEFALL speed for at least a second… due to a few small fires. Put those analytical minds of yours to work on THAT one.
You talk about the possibility of “eco-fascism” if the greens get their way, guess what guys? Your a little bit behind the times. The governments of the west have been fascist for the past ten years, corporate monopolies in bed with politicians (in agriculture, the pharmacuetical industry, media, energy, retail, healthcare, financial sector), small business crushed by regulations, the big guys above the law. Foriegn adventurism and domestic police states all in the name of fighting an enemy that can never be defeated.
The global warming scam is a key promotion in the agenda for an authoritarian world government, they plan to have a global carbon tax to initially fund this global monstrosity, but it is still only a fraction of the overall problem. If AGW crashes and burns there will be a new promotion to replace it, the Global Elites will just keep spinning new webs of deciet until people around the world wake up to who really pulls the strings and gets rid of them. So don’t be a sucker.
This story is a great, steaming, heap of agricultural by-product.
OBL is supposed to be the great mastermind of a bunch of highly trained terrorists, but none of them can slip over to Dubai and get some decent, tax-free, video equipment.
He is almost certainly dead.
(Though a friend of my mother’s is sure she saw him buying pot-plants in a gardening shop in Devon. Proof of his concern with green issues.)
I agree with Andrew W. You cannot seriously expect prominent AGW proponents to publicly distance themselves from every crackpot AGW endorser who appears on the scene. It would be counter-productive and self-defeating given the never ending stream of wannabe dictators, “spiritual leaders”, terrorists, Hollywood celebrities, and British royalty who routinely demand that governments do something about catastrophic climate change. There simply are not enough hours in the day to sift through this motley crew of assorted losers and decide who is worth denouncing and who is worth ignoring. So let’s get real.
Ooops! Accidently possted twice. Sorry.
Anthony, I am utterly lost as to why Romm, McKibben, Phil Jones or even Prince Charles should need to distance themselves from Osama.
[snip. Don’t get personal, please. ~dbs, mod.]
He shaved his beard, doffed his turban, and is running for office in LA. Against Proposition 23 of course.
Well, I haven’t heard any denouncement of these remarks by the pro-AGW eco-fascists. Their silence can only be interpreted as a tacit endorsement of OSBL’s killing of those who disagree with them.
I agree with those that say that OBL is dead. The last videos seen of him were obvious fakes that could only fool westerners who are not used to scanning dark faces with beards.
(think a crowd of chinese: they all look the same to me).
El Sid is an Arab legend. He fought and won while dead, tied to his horse and I suspect OBL is used by the islamic side to the same purpose, with the help of western agencies who need a visible enemy to wage wars.
Good one. Presumably the Nobel Peace prize. Oh the irony.
While the current floods in Pakistan are indeed tragic, it should be remembered that flooding there is nothing new. According to Wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohenjo-daro , flooding is thought to have destroyed the ancient Indus Valley Civilization city of Mohenjo-daro at least seven times.
Dead or alive, Bin Laden still has the confidence of roughly a quarter of today’s Muslims:
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1338/declining-muslim-support-for-bin-laden-suicide-bombing
Those who believe that Bin Laden represents only an aberrant splinter of Islam are mistaken.
I don’t agree with this article at all. Why should anyone be expected to respond to some pathetic student activists who think they can channel Bin Laden.
He’s passed on! He’s terrorist is no more! He has ceased to be! He’s expired and gone to meet his maker! He’s a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If he hadn’t been turned into pink mist he would be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He’s off the twig, kicked the bucket, shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisible!! HE IS AN EX-TERRORIST!!
LOL Come on, stop being children. Osama has likely been dead for a long time. But no, the adults of the west still believe in the boogie man. You have been played.
At least we no longer have to question where the inspiration that led to “SplatterGate”
came from.
Romm and McKibben should not be held responsible for people who agree with them. Bin Laden gets his news off the satellite feed in Sabzevar, Iran, so he knows only what the perky Katie Couric tells him. Seems like a nice town, lots of mosques for the religiously inclined. Fella could settle down there, enjoy his retirement, send out the occasional email to his friends and supporters.
Andrew W says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Anthony, I’m trying to work out what sort of comment you expect from Romm etc.
Well, good luck with that, because I don’t think anyone is sitting on the edge of their seat waiting to see what he says. Whatever they say is whatever they say. Who cares man? YAWN!
Are people on the left of politics, which is where ‘global warming’ comes from, going to take the time to think about whether it hurts their reputation or not if OsBnLaden is their ally? Some on the political left say BnLaden and others like him are tantamount to the Founding Fathers. They will probably not give having them as allies a second thought.
Heck, they’ll probably even make a movie about blowing people up……errr, wait…….
The recording makes a series of recommendations to deal with climate changes namely preventive measures
What’s he going to do? Tell his people to ride a bike to work instead of their donkey?
if only America hadnt warmed the planet.. then Osama wouldnt have to lash out at us.. they brought this evil on the world… plays right into the mindset of most libs…
The possessive pronoun, “its” has no apostrophe (his, hers, its). “It’s” is the contraction for “it is.”
Well, I checked back and I see the update, which does clarify things a bit. Still, I think there is quite a bit of distance between the AGW crowd and OSBL already. I didn’t think, ‘Oh, snap! Hansen is gonna have some explaining to do!’ I do see what you are saying, but I just never even connected the two in the first place. The union between personal beliefs is pretty large across humanity, and if it were ever revealed, guys like OSBL would be nothing more than hobos drinking Mad Dog 20/20 out of a paper bag. Still, just because he is capitalizing on the flood situation in Pakistan to whip up sentiments doesn’t mean anything really for the debate at hand. He’s just trying to get Pakistanis whipped up to fight some imperialist infidels. If I’m wrong, I’d be glad to hear it. 🙂
David Davidovics says: October 2, 2010 at 6:44 pm
What global climate alarmism needs right now is a single voice or nation to unite the b[uff]oons like the ones that made the “no pressure” video into a true powerful, and calculated movement. Al Gore was supposed to be that person but as it turns out he has the leadership and political reflex talents of an egg plant when not under supervision of his handlers, so he is out.
Speaking of Al Gore speaking, here he is again –
He gets heckled by an inconsiderate
denieralistperson, but it’s worth listening to his fact-filled speech. He mentions the flood in Pakistan, “Nothin’ like that’s ever happened there before.”And they’re setting records, too. “… before that happened, one of their cities, one of their cities had a temperature of 129 degrees, an all time record.” Except for 136° in Libya and 134° in Death Valley a century ago.
And people used to wonder why I prayed daily for Bill Clinton’s continued good health.
But hey, here’s actual non-govt-subsidized progress –
http://www.hylandgroup.com/index.php?src=news&refno=349
The Peppermill hotel in Reno has drilled down and tapped into the million degree core of the earth to provide geothermal heat for itself. Maybe even geothermal air conditioning in the summer, too, but the article didn’t mention it.
(P.S. I’m a big fan of Anthony and his website. Always like it to look “its” best.)
Osama, Obama, remind me… which is which?
Geothermal air conditioning is easy, its been in practical use in millions of homes since about 1900 as “fridges”. Its just another heat source from that commonly used.
As i understand it the audiotapes by OSBL were meant as a code to trigger terrorist attacks in Europe. Europe is on very high altert.
I think we need to give cred it where it is do. Osama or whoever, has better PR people on his staff then 10:10 and the rest of that rabble. Politics makes strange bed fellows as we all know and this is about politics and nothing more. Image is all and substance is always on the sacrificial alter. At the very least the humor of the situation Anthony pointed out, is better then the withdrawn video. Thanks for pointing it it out. Perhaps the video makers hired Osama’s previous PR people, the connection between blowing up things, even your own followers, is perhaps irony in the extreme.
For crying out loud! Bin Laden has been dead for quite some time now. Video cameras are really cheap, and I’m sure AQ can afford one. Don’t some of you think it odd that he hasn’t appeared on camera for quite some time? Are you the same people who believe in crop circles, and that 9/11 was a CIA conspiracy?
I did see fit to mention the “unlucky” coincidence of having an article on Osama right next to the “10:10” film on the Guardians “Climate Change” site to the Guardian.
The didn’t seem to think it was a problem.
Is it possible to be left wing, an environmentalist and green activist and still see Climate change science as riddled with holes?
It it outrageous to suggest climate change activity at present is more about money, and capitalists making money from trashing the environment, then making more from bleating they have the answer to the damage as long as enough money is poured into their coffers? Is it possible that whatever your political, religious or economic background to understand how the great swindle is being perpetrated and oppose it?
I am a green activist and environmentalist, but also proud to be a sceptic.
While great efforts have been made by the hard right in North America to highjack this issue and claim the moral high ground, scientific truth is not a characteristic of any nation or political group, it belongs to all of us, and if people are beginning to understand the issue, regardless of who they are, we should welcome them with open arms. I don’t blame the hard right in North America for the disinformation and scare tactics spread about climate change. I do though strongly suspect that big money and capitalism is behind the whole shambles, but I would never assume this to be the truth and categorise complete sections of society for having a presumed attitude to climate change, but unfortunately that is what can happen on this site, and it detracts from one of the best scientific sites I have ever interacted with.
When I see posts like “Obama or Osama remind me of the difference” etc I see the fatal flaw in many sceptic arguments which can easily be exploited by warmanistas.
( “You guys are not interested in science, you just want to promote your own hard right agendas”) So lets stop giving open goals, and lets try and stick to the science and welcome anyone who is brave enough and bright enough to make the effort to see the light. And remember, you don’t have to be right or left wing to understand science.
Tim says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:42 pm
As confirmed by both Bhutto and Musharraf, OSBL apparently died in December, 2001 from natural causes. He remains ‘alive’ as a convenient PR weapon, in this case connecting weather to AGW. I’ll be convinced only when he makes a personal appearance on camera.
EXACTLY!
OBL has been a propaganda tool from the very beginning.
I think its clear that Osama it trying to recruit greens to the islamist cause. Several analysts have noted that the green movement is more inclined to drift to the Authoritarian side than the libertarian/ democratic side and with the left discredited that may move towards Islam. Osama may have read this work. The pagan religions such as Wicka and Animism do not lend them selves to authoritarianism. Post modernism with its rejection of the concept of truth does not work. The only two religions that are compatible with the green authoritarian trends developing is Islam and the Occult of Nazi Germany.
In such a drift most greens will proceed to move back to the mainstream. Going back to saving the trees in their neighbourhood and the whales in the sea. Activities and areas that we can all agree to.
Osama bin laden is trying to recruit the remaining 2% that will become far more fanatical, seeing green house or population reduction as a holy cause. These would make perfect agents for Al Qaeda because they don’t appear to be of middle eastern appearance and can hide in hundreds of moderate green networks. They may not be willing suicide bombers but there are ways around that problem. This is not as strange as it seems since some have seen it coming.
Osama is not alone:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/prince-charles-urges-environmentalists-to-follow-islamic-spiritual-principles.html
lalaloola
now, now 899. that kinda talk isn’t welcome around here. altho if they gonna indulge in fantasy….!?
kevin says:
October 2, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Oh? Bin Laden? You mean the guy in cave on kidney dialysis who’s been running around with his dialysis machine in tow, keeping one step ahead of infidel forces?
I call US intel nonsense, like a bunch of the other released videos and recordings that were shown to be fakes.
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Absolutely Kevin.
People would do well to bear in mind that the west supported OBL when he was fighting the Soviets with the Mujahidin. People should be aware of the known background of OBL and who his supporters have been:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20010912&articleId=368
In fact the west destabilised Afghanistan before the Soviets invaded; see this brief extract from a 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser at the time of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
C Moore says:
October 2, 2010 at 8:45 pm
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Absolutely! I find it interesting that sceptical, rational, analytical people – who demand evidence for climate theories, and can see through all the BS – will accept other highly unlikely scenarios (official narratives) from their governments without batting an eyelid or questioning a word.
kidney dialysis, tim osmand (aka OBL) , OBL family flown out of america while all other planes grounded after 9/11. WT7 in free fall for 2 seconds. Path of the plane that hit the pentagon.
if you can’t be arsed to look this stuff up thats fine, if you would rather distance your self from people who are an easy target for opposition who can scream conspiracy theorist which is a term that has been designed to conjour pictures of green aliens, tin hats and basement dwellers, thats fine.
but why oh why print anything at all about OBL, just stay away from the subject if you have not put as much research into that as you have of AGW. don’t just puke up the same drivel the MSM have given you on a plate without thinking about it.
regards
No, because then the juxtaposition wouldn’t make sense, OBL would merely be another member of the AGW Cult, nothing to see here folks, move along.
What you might ask yourself is how two separate entities found their way to the same conclusion of destroying western civilization.
entity-1: AGW cult : De-Industrialize or Die (because of it)
entity-2: Radical Islam : Convert or Die (because of us)
Unfortunately for the AGW cult, the 10:10 campaign (Red Button, Exploding Children, No Pressure!) ties you closer to them than you care to realize. This association would be more difficult to make without others like Earth First, Malthusians, Ehrlich’s ‘Population Bomb’, GreenPeace and WWF commercials and yes, the Unabomber. And that is far from a complete list.
No not “publicly distance themselves from every…”! But how about distancing yourself from this single one? Presumably OBL would be the last person on Earth that the AGW cult would want as an ally.
Serious question: Can you think of some less desireable than Bin Laden to have as an ally? (I’m guess reading your mind here: Sarah Palin, Jim Inhofe, Marc Morano, correct?).
Now there is a sentence you never thought you’d see! No SARC tag either! Have a look at it sans-science sans-politics …
Yup, I’d say ‘utterly lost‘ just about covers it.
Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
October 2, 2010 at 10:19 pm
“Are people on the left of politics, which is where ‘global warming’ comes from, going to take the time to think about whether it hurts their reputation or not if OsBnLaden is their ally? Some on the political left say BnLaden and others like him are tantamount to the Founding Fathers. They will probably not give having them as allies a second thought.
Heck, they’ll probably even make a movie about blowing people up……errr, wait…….”
An effective post Amino, thought is act in fancy. People that make videos like the 10/10 crowd deserve to be taken as sincere in their extremism.
I agree with C Moore. Bin laden is like the character goldstein out of George orwells 1984. A boogey man invented to scare and manipulate us. Bin Laden died of kidney failure in Dubai in 2001. The AGW hoax is just one of the many fights we have with a move to global government and a totalitarian state.
Personally it just shows how the warmists are part of a narrow world view rather than the broad church they would like us to all believe that they represent. Maybe some of these moments of dissonance will give some of them a chance to re-evaluate themselves and their views.
The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley says:
October 3, 2010 at 12:15 am
For crying out loud! Bin Laden has been dead for quite some time now. Video cameras are really cheap, and I’m sure AQ can afford one. Don’t some of you think it odd that he hasn’t appeared on camera for quite some time? Are you the same people who believe in crop circles, and that 9/11 was a CIA conspiracy?
This is a logical fallacy known as “Burden of Proof”. You assume he’s dead because of a
lack of evidence that he’s still alive. Well, he is in hiding, so the lack of evidence is understandable. Is it odd that he hasn’t appeared live on camera? Perhaps. The fact remains that the burden of proof lies with those claiming that he’s dead. As for the crop circles, and 9/11 conspiracy stuff, you have it backwards. Those “theories” also lack evidence, as does the CAGW/CC/CD “theory”.
I will believe he’s dead when they discover either him, or his remains.
Gareth Phillips, thank you. ‘Bout time someone said that. I’ve been thinking similar thoughts myself of late. There is too much greenie-bashing and lefty-bashing on this site, which is a shame for the site. There are climate sceptics across the whole political/environmental range. It’s a political issue because politicians of all colours have been duped and led astray, but where I live on the planet there are also people of all political colours who are saying that it’s time to cut the crap and stop wasting taxpayers’ money.
BTW, mods, I’ve noticed you snip the ‘bs’ word but not ‘crap’? Just out of curiosity, why is that? Aren’t they the same thing?
Thomas says:
October 2, 2010 at 10:03 pm
LOL Come on, stop being children. Osama has likely been dead for a long time. But no, the adults of the west still believe in the boogie man. You have been played.
Well, whoever “OBL” is “he” speaks for radical Islam, which is certainly not dead.
DJ Meredith says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:22 pm
OSBL wants to disrupt western civilization at any cost. He’s very intelligent, and he kn0ws what a farce AGW really is, and what an economic disaster it will deliver if western governments implement expensive and unproductive climate related policies.
What better way to help us destroy ourselves than endorse the climate change fearmongering? It is fearmongering, and that’s what OSBL is best at.
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personally I think he is a non person BUT hes being used for some handy agit prop, and suddenly appearing as a Pro warmist, supporting the damages WE 1st world countries are doing falls right into their agenda, Just another reason to hate and remove us same as 10;10.
I think Blade nails it.
Blade said:
“But how about distancing yourself from this single one? Presumably OBL would be the last person on Earth that the AGW cult would want as an ally.”
Presumably that’s so obvious that it’s not necessary to dignify OBL’s inane ramblings with an official rebuke.
“Serious question: Can you think of some less desireable than Bin Laden to have as an ally?”
Seriously, I don’t normally sit around classifying crackpots, idiots, and terrorists based on their degree of desirability to have as a friend. But to (sort of) answer your question, here are a handful of people that I would NOT want to add to my facebook friends list: Kim Jong-il, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Bill Ayers, Sean Penn, Jane Fonda… probably others.
“I’m guess reading your mind here…”
Hmmm, I’m guessing your tinfoil hat is interfering with your telepathic abilities since your attempt at reading my mind was an epic failure. No worries, I’ll just check my Magic 8-Ball instead: “Reply hazy, try again later…”
Is Osama expanding his network?
“…confuses weather with climate”
Nice irony there.
I’m waiting for OBL to denounce this-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11450011
Or is he buying carbon (or nitrogen) credits ahead of operations now? Makes a change from hijacking or charging protection money for convoys though. Personally I think he’s best ignored and not given the oxygen of publicity.
I mistakenly posted under the initials tats yesterday. I have been away and re-upped on a new computer and typed the different name. Sorry, I have corrected the slip.
There are only a minority of posters who seem to get that the OBL/Global Warming scam is just one of many. There is no left and right among the big players; there is totalitarianism. They do not care which side it comes from. We little “ants” keep running around in one direction or the other but at the top the goal is control and there is only one party. (This is not new to this decade. Sinclair Lewis wrote “It Can’t Happen Here” in the 1930s.)
Osama’s dead. Who made the tape, and why?
The combination of the alleged OBL statement and the 10:10 propaganda video makes for quite the “You’re either with us [on curbing emissions], or we’ll kill you” message, indeed.
But one has to also wonder WHY ‘climate change’ is being inserted in the message of a despised icon. An icon that is, most likely, of a dead person. OBL has been “probably dead” for quite awhile now (see (1) below for some news sources on that.), but his ghost – so to speak – is being kept alive, probably by the western intelligence community itself, for propaganda purposes.
Once you consider the likeliness that “OBL” (associated in the general public with ‘terrorism’) is being LINKED ON PURPOSE with “concern over climate change” (aka ‘environmentalism’), you got to wonder if the real intent is in fact a de facto covert smear campaign against environmentalism itself. This “news” is more bizarre than anything else.
(1)
– http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/11TAHE.html?ex=1089432000&en=373a282aeff2716a&ei=5070&todaysheadlines
– http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
– http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/06/karzai.binladen/
– http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1366508/US-casts-doubt-on-bin-Ladens-latest-message.html
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I doubt that OBL’s intent was to aid anyone in Pakistan, Muslim or not; and I really don’t think he gives a hang about climate. He’ll use any tragedy in whatever area of the world that fits his purpose; he’ll support any cause that fits his purpose too. This is war. This is psychology. This is called keeping your face on the telly and people talking about you. Some call it spin. Whatever you call it, he seems to have no trouble doing it. Was AGW used, you bet. Will he do it again, if it serves his purpose he will; especially if everyone is so helpful. He’s probably kicking the cave walls over that 10:10 crap that blew him off of the web for a few days.
tj
Are you sure you wouldn’t prefer “the Turner Diaries “?
mods
As the little girl in the movie said “They’re here…”
@C Moore.. First: I before E except after C. Other than that your analysis is just brilliant…small little fires, indeed.
Anthony,
I love the site, you’re doing a fantastic thing here, but you don’t have to have a dog
in every race. You could’ve sat in the garden with a nice cup of tea – it would’ve
been a better use of your time. Pace yourself, don’t wear yourself out.
Regards,
Sleepy
Anthony’s update:
“I only want to point out that like with the 10:10 fiasco, AGW proponents that don’t want this sort of bad publicity connected with their movement, IMO should distance themselves and their organizations from OSBL.”
My point in my earlier post too. This is something people should back away from.
Not embrace. Thanks, Anthony…
It’s an interesting sign of the times that bin Laden blames the west for problems thought to arise from global warming.
However, if he came out in favor of doing more exercise, this should not come as an embarrassment to exercise advocates, any more than his endorsement of AGW should come as an embarrassment to AGW advocates.
It is curious that he blames the west for consuming the oil that that countries like Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Kuwait, Libya, Iran, etc, sell. Isn’t it equally their fault for selling it?
Hmmm – what tj is saying I think already for some time: “There is no left and right among the big players; there is totalitarianism.”
Indeed. The big haves don’t want the havenots to consume much and think much. Therefore climatic and other scares are good for their business.
If we waste all our efforts and money on combating AGW, we will have less time and money to wage war on terror. Not that I am advocating waging a war on terror, but it is easy to see why OBL would wish to stir matters and promote AGW as the most serious threat facing the world
Mike McMillan,
Thanks for posting the video but it doesn’t make me feel much better when you see how the room still cheered the goracle on que. It wasn’t a very large rally, but still.
His factoids are clearly off the wall, but I doubt many in that room will bother ever trying to look them. They want, need and therefore shall – believe.
It was probably not good for his health though. Al Gore has long suffered from severe alergies to any form of decent or unscripted questioning. Who could ever forget this near death experience:
Kitefreak says:
October 3, 2010 at 2:26 am:
Except that OBL has been mostly dead since 2001. Either completely dead or effectively dead. If he is alive, then he is like Saddam Hussein was alive in his spider-hole. Living, but not alive.
Let’s just focus on eliminating the next level militants and fuggedabout OBL.
Eco-terrorism, AGW and neo-Malthusianism are greater threats to safety and freedom, at any rate, and on a much larger scale.
Anthony, the adverts may be smart adverts. They might be paying attention to what you click on. I clicked on the self-defense one and all of a sudden I’m getting the kind of adverts I usually click on. No more green stuff. Now the ads seem to be all about the stuff I like. At least the ones I’m seeing.
REPLY: And still, there’s nothing that WUWT has done wrong here, or can do about it. These Google Ads are no different than the same placements on thousands of other websites. I have the same thing happen with my own experience with other websites. Watts plumbing (which I’m not affiliated with in any way) follows me around. 😉 – Anthony
They should be when they place the views of those people prominently on their web sites.
Sorry, Jimash, I don’t get your allusions. (ET?? Hey, that is all over the MSM at this time, too… just another ruse, IMO. )My opinions are as good as yours unless you have seen “THE MAN” in person. Otherwise, since we live in a democracy (here) we are all entitled to our best guess.p.s. I am an ardent supporter of Anthony’s view and have been for quite some time. MVP: I am with you. Could they be purposefully jumping the shark? (Another allusion…sorry. Do you remember when the FONZ jumped the shark???) Hopefully, not all the good parts of environmentalism (I get 40+ to the gal.) but just AWG?
OBL is probably dead.What difference does that make?His ambitions did not die with him,unfortunately.These messages are intended to reach his followers.
Global warming is just another stick to beat the western world with,along with our decadent way of life.
Just for the record, since it was mentioned…
El Cid was a national hero of Christian Spain. Not the Arabs. He was one of the first heroes of the Reconquista – the several hundred years during which Spain evicted the Muslims. It culminated during the reign of Ferdinand and Isabella in the propitious year 1492. The Cid was tied to his horse in order to convince his enemies he was still alive and thus scare them off the field. According to legend, it worked.
Jeff Alberts says: October 3, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Mike McMillan says: October 2, 2010 at 10:08 pm Romm and McKibben should not be held responsible for people who agree with them.
They should be when they place the views of those people prominently on their web sites.
Since I never visit hysterical web sites, I shouldn’t be held responsible for expressing uninformed opinions.
Pamela,
maybe you can buy again Sony products – they swiftly “disassociated” themselves from 10:10 – apparently lessons were learned:
We also believe the video risks undermining the work of the many thousands of members of the public, schools and universities, local authorities and many businesses, of which Sony is one, who support the long-term aims of the 10:10 movement and who are actively working towards the reduction of carbon emissions.
As a result we have taken the decision to disassociate ourselves from 10:10 at this time.
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/climate-group-regrets-shock-film-tactic/
How did you think your readership would interpret a story like this? Considering how often scientists and other supporting AGW are routinely referred to as fascists and criminals on this website by commenters, its not surprising many would see OBL in a similar light to Joe Romm, Al Gore, etc. And saying AGW proponents should “distance” themselves from OBL’s statements is almost as absurd.
Eric says:
October 2, 2010 at 8:57 pm
“Well, I haven’t heard any denouncement of these remarks by the pro-AGW eco-fascists. Their silence can only be interpreted as a tacit endorsement of OSBL’s killing of those who disagree with them.”
This perffectly illustrates my point above.
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