Guest post by Thomas Fuller
Well, with the calming passage of 24 hours, let’s take another look at the 10:10 video showing the splatterfest of gore as skeptics play the more volatile roles from the worst portions of the movie ‘Scanners.’
It’s still disgusting.
I spent four years in the Navy and have seen a lot. The film did not upset me physically or emotionally. My reaction was mental (Cue Michael Tobis: “See? Fuller’s going mental…”)
What disgusts me first is its target. The video is meant for the young. Young people get blown up by a calm and engaged teacher in the first scene, and music and sports and film figures appealing to the young are both victims and perpetrators throughout.
Our reaction is irrelevant. They are not talking to us. They are talking to our children.
What are they saying? That it’s okay to ostracize, bully and dismiss those who don’t agree that climate change is uber alles (Oops! Godwin alert, Godwin alert) and that skeptics or the children of skeptics are fair game for… whatever.
As there is no real attempt at humour in the video, there’s no point in pretending it’s a parody. It’s instructional. It’s not even aimed at helping children work towards reducing emissions. It’s about helping children take aim at those who do not.
This is worse than Orwellian, although Eric Blair would certainly understand the meaning behind this message. And I don’t want to (and internet traditions would forbid me in any case) link this to the propaganda tactics of World War II. So somewhere in between those two, there is a special place in hell reserved for those whose intent it is to legitimize the cruelty of children towards each other based on what has evidently become a religious belief. And I hope that none of the film’s makers reaches that special place ahead of their allotted timespan–but I hope they get there.
Joe Romm and Bill McKibben have already announced they are ‘Shocked! Shocked!’ that gambling is going on in their casino and that their perpetual campaign of invective and calumny has produced people who actually believe them and hate skeptics. So I guess it’s no harm, no foul. Just as it was not their fault when a disturbed environmentalist took hostages at the Discover Channel headquarters, just as when the WWF made an ad showing planes flying into New York skyscrapers, just as when a Greenpeace blogger told skeptics the world over that ‘we know where you live.’ And as Anthony Watts knows full well, they also know where you work. But none of this is the fault of those who whip up the frenzy and the furor of those stupid enough to believe their hyperbole, enough to do something vicious, cruel, stupid or illegal.
So I guess I can’t blame hysterics like Romm and McKibben, who spend their days babbling about hell and high water and related mystical miseries, for any of the troubles we’ve seen. Except for the kids who will be downloading that video tonight. Both William Golding (Lord of the Flies) and J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan) knew full well that children need no help in being cruel. But this gives them license and legitimacy. And for that, Joe and Bill, I do hold you responsible. You sent the message first–it took years for 10:10 to make it explicit.
Thomas Fuller http://www.redbubble.com/people/hfuller
Thomas Fuller href=”http://www.redbubble.com/people/hfuller
I’ve just finished posting my own 24-hours-later thoughts. My concluding remarks are pretty much in sync with Tom’s:
If We Are Not Free to Disagree, We Are Not Free
I don’t see this as something directed at kids, I see it as form of self expression, a fantasy of what people at 10:10, 350.org, etc. would like to do with the skeptical community – simply make us disappear with no concern, no regrets, and an unstated appreciation that we will have made a 100% cut in our carbon footprint.
That, and their complete comfort at lying to people who disagree with them.
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
I’m not in the least surprised that the majority of Warmists who have a problem with this are American, as are the majority of Climate Realists.
It’s a cultural thing.
I too have come to similar conclusions about this video here. Using young children AND having young children blown up in front of other young children by an authority figure is really well beyond what anybody could classify as acceptable – regardless of the cause.
Interesting though was the fact that in the related videos (4th or 5th) was ‘CO2 Regulation: The Essence of Immorality’ – maybe Google takes into account the content of comments as well when working out what is related. Either that or reality itself has a bone to pick with the 10:10 crowd..
I see this disgusting film as a direct and stark warning for all normal people whatever camp they belong to, sceptics and alarmists both have a direct stake in coming down hard on on this hate product and stating clearly together that it has no place in our civilisation.
Its time to put our differences aside and fight this kind of sickness together because if we do not the consequences for all of us could be disastrous, the legitimization of cruelty and casual violence toward those thought to be different must be squashed ASAP, once children have that blood lust within them it is almost impossible to remove it.
The world saw the ugly results in the 30s and we very nearly succumbed to a dark age.
This was not comedy, this was never meant to be funny and the claim should be exposed for the lie it is. There is nothing funny about the training our our young to despise and hate the untermenschen. I urge any doubters to watch a film called ‘the eternal Jew’ it shows what goes through the mind of a film maker with a political message of hate to peddle.
Our reaction is irrelevant. They are not talking to us. They are talking to our children.
Precisely. But no pressure.
My take on it here:
http://peacelegacy.org/articles/1010s-murder-movie
They say that the video has been taken down at URL
but I still find it at URL
The organization’s name, 10:10, and their push to reduce carbon emissions by 10%, coupled with the slaughtering of a few dissenters in every scene (roughly 10%?), reminded me of the Roman disciplinary practice of decimation.
Decimation was a punishment imposed on Roman military units for failure, cowardice, or mutiny in which one in ten (10% of) soldiers were selected by lot to be slaughtered by their comrades. Only the decimated victims in 10:10′s video are chosen for this ultimate punishment by their failure to make the “right” choice. No pressure. Decimating the global population sure is one way to reduce carbon emissions by 10%…
For more on my take on this video, see my blogpost: 10:10′s Decimate the Global Population Campaign.
I am still trying to decide if the video was made to desensitize their base or alarm us. Or both. This was clearly a propaganda video made by a master of film. What is the message he is trying to send? Strange as it sounds, I wonder if the film maker didn’t intentially expose this group, all the while the lefty group-thinkers were so eager to get along that they dared not question him for fear of being exploded, socially.
jeremy of W.A
I’m half American and half English (by geography not birth.) The Holy Grail is one of my favorite movies and I have watched most Black Adders.
This piece of crap is not comparable for many reasons. It is a hate piece targeted at children.
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
But no pressure!
You are right Thomas, this was no out-of-this-real-world sci fi film that even kids can separate from reality. Many people might think people commenting are upset is because the film upset them. Contraire. I’m old enough to see through it without damage. People are commenting and are upset with what it will do to millions or more innocent minds out there include all of the world’s children and grandchildren. It either teaches them 1) lifelong fear or worse 2) the feeling that another’s life is worth nothing that doesn’t agree with them.
Where the hell is the FBI and Interpol who have the responsibility to protect citizens and their children from such blatant filth. This is a mass-murderer maker. As I understand it this film is now being passed out privately and underground and out of the public’s scrutiny. Is it going to make it’s way into schools and colleges?
This is nothing but terror at it’s core. Plain and simple. They d–ned well better be thankful I do not have any real power over their futures and the futures of the people who caused them to feel they needed to make such a film.
P.S., if this were Monty Python, Monty Python wouldn’t be Monty Python.
Al Gore targets youth too:
The video shouldn’t be called 10:10. It could have been 7/7. A group of people decide they don’t like the opinions or way of life of another group so they do exactly what was shown in this video … they push a little red button and blow them all to pieces.
London Underground, July 7th, 2007 …… 50 dead. Countless more scarred for life.
What was the bloody difference between that and the this 10:10 video ?
Steve Goddard says This piece of crap is not comparable for many reasons. It is a hate piece targeted at children.
Well, looking at the first scene I see a number of stereotypes being developed. The goody-goody two shoes cycling girl, the ‘honest’ suggester of sensible ideas, and finally the malcontents.
As I remember my childhood at that age, the first two were of very low repute while the malcontents were generally popular.
That the malcontents were blown up was – and still is – uber cool. Hono(u)r to them.
I showed my kids the clip and all they could do was laugh.
I’m starting to suspect the script-writer was acting as a double agent
All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
And parts is parts.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTzLVIc-O5E&fs=1&hl=en_US]
The last two paragraphs could easily be rewritten to point the other way; it’s the sceptics like you and Anthony who’re ‘Shocked! Shocked!’ that gambling is going on in their casino and that their perpetual campaign of invective and calumny has produced people who actually believe them and hate warmists! And given that those two paragraphs immediately follow a sentence in which you say you hope the films makers go to hell . . . . well, don’t you realize how one eyed (I’m playing nice) that makes you?
Jeremy, I know the Black Knight and David Ginola is no Black Knight.
Jeremy of W.A
I thought at first it was just over the top British humor as well. Then I read the interviews of the cast, and the producers.
Still looking for the wink, not seeing it.
You know that this particular bunch of AGW clowns have made a mistake when even Joe Romm feels obliged to trash them: “The video is beyond tasteless and should be widely condemned.”
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Go and view Monty Python
Monty Python had a different feel to it. What they did was intended to be funny. This 10:10 video is shocking and sickening. People who persist in saying it is funny to those who are shocked by it may need to do some soul searching. Even the makers of the film aren’t defending it to those who are offended by it.
Monty Python’s “Tennis Anyone? Monty Python’s “Sam Peckinpa’s Salad Days.” ” may be one of the skits you are referring to, jeremy of W.A., when comparing this horrible 10:10 video to Monty Python. But that skit was funny and obviously meant to be funny.
I think to call the 10:10 video funny may partly be due to passive aggression in some people.
This Jon Stewart segment takes a while to get going, dances around the subject, contains crude language and concepts, and is sure to rile some people up, but the parallels are there, so here it is:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-2-2010/story-hole—children-s-cartoons-from-hamas
I agree with the previous posters that this was aimed at children.
Indeed, listen to the comments of two of the child actors in the film, from the now youtube banned “behind the scenes” video:
One young chap of about age 10 who was blown up in the first scene says something to the effect:
“I am very up…to getting blown up…to save the world.”
Then a young teenage teen actor, says, with a smile on his blood and guts covered face:
“Hi my name is Drew Barnard and I think it is fun to explode children…for a good cause.”
!!!!!
Now I am sure what these kids are saying, are with a wink.
We all have the fascination with the blood and guts and halloween and horror. I get that.
This video is not that.
There is an extremely sinister undercurrent here.
It is pure evil….and the producers now realize their error…and now they have retracted.
Good for them. Nice to see some semblance of consciences remain.
But what about the many minds of children you USED and influenced here?
How are you going to retract that?
-Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
They showed who they really are much more graphically than we ever could. So thanks for their honesty… it saved us lots of work.
The push by the climate groups in the last few decades to gain political and economic control which can so severely affect living standards has added an extra layer of believability in the fascist message of this kind of video. England and most of Europe have already had green energy and carbon initiatives involuntarily forced on them. In the US we are expecting this to happen shortly with the EPA’s forcible and involuntary regulation of CO2 and removal of incandescent bulbs. This may play well with the climate control groups but it is not going to go over easily at all in the US where individual freedom to decide a course of action or to have a choice in desired products tends to be sacrosanct. Considering the kinds of things already in the climate control pipeline, why would anyone not think that this video would back up anti-climate fears at a personal level.
This is clearly a major stuff up by the warmists, but I’m beginning to wonder about Richard Curtis. Is it not conceivable than he is actually on our side, and has produced this vile piece of trash to illustrate just what obscene lengths the eco-totalitarians will tolerate.
Surely he was wanting to see how far he could go for just one person to say “hey, you can’t do this, this makes us look like the Khymer Rouge”. But no, these eco-warriors sat through the pitch, the mock ups, the rushes and the previews, and they all thought it was a great idea.
Very revealing as to the mindset involved, I suggest. Thanks Richard, you really showed them up!
Tom
Like you I am a ex tar: different navy of course.
I simply don’t know what to make of this.
As a sort of second career I have been writing scripts all my life and even directing films and I still don’t what this is about.
Technically they must have spent a fortune which could have been done for a fraction of the price.
But what is it they are trying to say? Apart from an addiction to SFX instead of a proper storyline. Even bad propaganda, sorry when I worked for the BBC they were called information films, need a storyline not some kind of Awful Warning like this.
That is for sandwich board men: the End is Nigh and such like.
Frankly I cannot get terribly upset about exploding people even children on screen, it is fantasy even if it is in appallingly bad taste. Lots of people will attack me for that no doubt: think of the children etc. But within limits, which this exceeds, children do love gruesome tales. So do adults: let the flesh creep. Provided good wins over evil in the end of course.
So in this where is the good?
I can also understand, being British and having written many scripts for UK comedy shows, why these people might have thought it was funny.
It isn’t of course, correctly handled it could have been both funny and driven home a point. As it is does neither and offends many people, and I find the apology for doing this incredibly and pompously self righteous.
So call me baffled, bemused and ready for a home for the bewildered.
Kindest Regards
jeremy of W.A. says: October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.I’m not in the least surprised that the majority of Warmists who have a problem with this are American, as are the majority of Climate Realists.It’s a cultural thing.
======================================================
Well Jeremy of W.A. I am not so sure about the cultural thing. I enjoy (and understand) the ironic humour of British comedy – watched and enjoyed only last night a re-run of Blackadder – the final of the WW1 series when Darling was forced by the general to join Blackadder and Baldric in ‘going over the top’. This video is completely different. If this was a serious attempt to persuade people to cut co2 emissions, forget the comedic connection. Even if you are British.
The key point reiterated in all three segments was that the perpetrators exonerated themselves from responsibility for their actions knowing full well that they could eliminate the dissenters at a touch of a button – ‘no pressure – your choice’ and then went on to push the button and continue the discourse as though nothing of any moment had happened. Nothing like (say) the general who genuinely believed that Darling wanted to do his duty above all else an go over the top with Blackadder even though the general excused himself from doing the same on the grounds of his advanced years. (Bl—dy old bluff and gormless hypocrite that he was!
You can’t get away from the message in this video. And I have to conclude that the message was genuine. But it backfired. The video should assist the sceptic’s cause – hugely!
Doug
They are crazy. This is, of course, wishful thinking.
Humor would have a far different tone to normal people.
Well said Thomas.
This stuff is aimed at children. And echoing Steve it IS hate speech.
I think it may be time for Franny Armstrong to appear on ” Farm Films -Celebrity Blow-Up!”
C,mon Franny! Get your voice even more shrill! C’mon Franny, you can do it!
YEEE HA! She blowed up! She blowed up REAL GOOD!
Until next time,
may the good Lord take a likin’ to ya and blow ya up REAL GOOD!
a jones says:
October 1, 2010 at 10:28 pm
It isn’t of course, correctly handled it could have been both funny and driven home a point. As it is does neither and offends many people, and I find the apology for doing this incredibly and pompously self righteous.
=============================
It is none of the above. It is crap. No matter how you label it.
Yah there is some artistic integrity with the production and the special effects.
But it ends there.
There is an Orwellian sickening undercurrent below it all.
And THAT is the reason so many reasonable people are up at arms.
I can not tell you how angry and defensive this video makes me. Good thing I will not meet up with any of the production staff any time soon LOL.
-Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
This has no redeeming value. It is certainly no Monty Python – which are funny when they are (a) understandable and (b) don’t go on too long.
This piece of propaganda reflects the intolerant attitudes of those who are intent on telling us what to do. In this regard, it is the mirror image of what goes on at Climate Progress courtesy of Joe Romm.
Whether or not the clip was aimed at children, the potential for this kind of propaganda to be forced on our kids and grand kids is very serious. I believe our public schools are vulnerable to political progressives and their distorted views. The way I suggest we fight back is to support homeschooling and other forms of educational alternatives that reduce central control over public education. Somehow we’ve allowed the progressives to infiltrate the US public education establishment and our children are being fed this kind of garbage on a regular basis. In the end, I think these bas***ds will fail because their views are far outside the sphere of common sense that God gave human beings. Perhaps in time genetic engineering will allow simians to read and write and the progressives can force feed the monkeys their drivel.
Kan says
I thought at first it was just over the top British humor as well. Then I read the interviews of the cast, and the producers.
Actually I’m very interested in the cast interviews. Unfortunately It’s been blocked on Youtube. Do you have a free link I can view?
Did they interview the script writer as well? If so, what comments were made?
Well, look at the bright side, now people can know how they really feel about dissenting opinion. In a nutshell, “Obey or die.”
Elsewhere, a fitting example of the UHI effect on steroids. The Vdara “Death Ray” Hotel.
Melts plastic, drives people away from the pool, can probably even cook pop corn if you set it up right.
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/las-vegas-hotel-pool-sunlight-swimming-tourists/story?id=11739234
evanmjones says:
October 1, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Yup, parts is parts.
As Popeye would say “Well, blow me down”.
Tangential to my prior post, the last time I saw Jon Stewart curse so much was in his Climategate segment:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-1-2009/scientists-hide-global-warming-data
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
I’m averting my eyes, O Lord.
I can only agree with Thomas Fuller. This is not satire, it is shameless hate propaganda. To even suggest it has any artistic or humorous value, demeans the hundreds of fine satirical works of literature, right back to Aristophanes. It is not the violence per say, it is the underlying message of permission to attack those who disagree with you or are different from you, that is offensive to me. To use children in this way is simply non sexual child pornography. (Someone else came up with that in another thread. I have shameless stolen it.)
Oh spare me these fake prudish Victorian attitudes that have suddenly appeared due to it coming from “the other side” and seems to be a stick to beat them with.
Andy
just showed it to my 18 yr old son, slightly amused, but thought it was sick. Whereas I found it humourous.
And no, it does not show the “real” plans of the left, just like Delingpole does not show the “real” plans of the right.
funny, yeah… when I see children blown to bloody bits in a classroom the first thing I do is giggle like a little schoolgirl.
no shame, or no children. sick
that one’s for you David G. commenting on the Aussie dime.
still pissed
It is satire – very poorly done, but satire none-the-less
I also bet that most young kids love it, like “Sean of the Undead” or similar. My children laughed themselves stupid, without believing one single syllable of it
Yankeeland is also known as an irony-free zone, with some justification. I have quite a few US colleagues – knowledgeable, clever, sharp but with their humour I always feel there is a bit missing (or as we Aussies say, a few bricks short of a full load). There is definitely a dead zone in there, a vaguely uncomfortable feeling. And so it is with the obtuse reactions shown in most of the above posts
Ask children if the old and brilliant Bugs Bunny cartoon series ever induced them to go on a murderous rampage, or if they just laughed themselves silly. This is not conceptually different – how many young children have any control over, or even care, how much CO2 they poop?
Oh spare me these fake prudish Victorian attitudes that have suddenly appeared due to it coming from “the other side” and seems to be a stick to beat them with.
Andy
Hey Andy (if that is your real name) show me a comparison piece from the skeptic side and I’ll listen. Until you do you’re no different than the people who put out this crap. Sick
The Killing Fields, Rwanda, Kristallnacht, KKK lynchings, Ireland, Bosnia, Spanish Civil War, American Civil War, etc etc etc. Not all “wars” are fought between countries. You *really* do not want to start down this path. There are evils which lurk within that must not be provoked.
“Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it… All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children.”
George Orwell – 1984
And this video says, join the party, become a member. As said before, 1984 is a warning, not a manual.
So… what exactly is prudish about detesting what is essentially a vicarious snuff flick?
First reaction of an Englishman…
Very strange video. Certainly not funny. I think they’re trying to tell us it’s urgent to act with no exception, otherwise we’re all doomed – or something to that effect.
That point comes across clearly enough. It’s the deliberate pressing of the red button that bothers me.
What was going on in these filmmakers’ heads?
Some here call it “professional”. What do they mean by that? The effects? I could do those on iMovie. No it’s the height (or rather the depths) of clumsy.
I don’t think it will have much effect on kids.
It would be nice to hear what mothers in Iraq, or Pakistan or Israel, or Afganistan have to say about this video. That would help put it in better cultural perspective, as some has suggested above.
In my culture, the idea of blowing up children for any reason is repulsive, immoral and could only be fostered by truly bent near sub-humans. But that’s just my culture.
Strangely, the BBC has no reports of this video; not a single mention of it anywhere.
Those who wish to protest at the sponsors of the video have a page which makes it easy as it names them all and includes links to all their websites:
http://sadhillnews.com/2010/10/01/eco-terrorism-1010global-org-no-pressure-ad-campaign-made-possible-by-sony-and-others
O/T
Richard Black’s blog is now being destroyed by the moderators. I’ve had the following 2 posts moderated out of existence, despite them being on topic:
“Subject:
‘Warmist’ attack smacks of ‘sceptical’ intolerance
Posting:
Richard
JoNova comments here:
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/09/blog-warfare-warmist-attacks-their-own/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JoNova+%28JoNova%29
Subject:
‘Warmist’ attack smacks of ‘sceptical’ intolerance
Posting:
@Barry Woods #218
Already commented on Richards blog on the slur:
As one ex-scientist and now climate action advocate put it to me rather caustically a while back: “I’ve been debating the science with them for years, but recently I realised we shouldn’t be talking about the science but about something unpleasant that happened in their childhood.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/09/something_new_and_not_altogeth.html#P101061367
And he still hasn’t apologised for it
Mention anything even slightly off topic and whoosh, gone
Has RC taken over the BBC?
/Mango
Anthony – I suggest that the intentions of the maker of the video (Richard Curtis) and the intentions of the commissioners of the video (1010) are not the same. My immediate reaction was that Richard Curtis is satirising 1010 and their ilk (and making big fools of them as well). Time will tell whether my take on the video is correct. Bear in mind that Curtis is a complete rebel by nature.
The video is designed, among other things, to shock, and appears to have succeeded rather well in this respect. I am intrigued that a fictional video succeeds in shocking people better than public statements by Greenpeace, Hansen, Suzuki, Gore, Holdren et al. I guess it shows the power of the medium.
Richard Curtis is a clever man, he has made his fame and fortune. I suggest he has a secondary motive, which is to stir up the debate on hate speech, or at least to get people thinking about it (by a sort of reverse psychology). I suspect the video cannot be found in breach of any laws in the UK, which only cover things like race and religion. Those people who are blown up in the film do not fit into any recognisable legal category under hate speech legislation. Curtis’ associates such as Rowan Atkinson were outspoken in their opposition to a recent attempt to extend hate speech laws in the UK (because it would kill comedy). For my part, I am with Rowan Atkinson on this one, and am inclined to view hate speech legislation with suspicion. Those who seek to control speech remind me rather too much of those who would like to have a red button.
All the best.
“jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
I’m not in the least surprised that the majority of Warmists who have a problem with this are American, as are the majority of Climate Realists.
It’s a cultural thing.”
I’m British and I didn’t find the film funny, more like disturbing.
I laughed my socks off when Mr. Creoscote blew up, but remember it was a wafer-thin mint that did the damage rather than a cold, calculating figure of authority pressing the button.
Please do not try to argue that it is just British black humour as that doesn’t wash.
and on topic:
I’m unconcerned about this video, i think Curtis and 10:10 have shot themselves in the foot, because this video will always surface somewhere on the Internet to haunt them
/Mango
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
“Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British”.
I think you will find we British have stated our case at James Delingpole. 998 comments so far. I have never seen so many condemnatory comments by we Brits.
We loved Monty Python and Blackadder. But we can tell the difference between comedy and hate-filled ecofascism.
Comment from a Brit, Pythonesque, it is not.
It’s awful, though it may backfire, the blown up kids are the cool ones.
Given the propensity for kids to refuse what wrinklies tell them, it may be time for a backlash
Andy does have a point about the genuineness of the screams of indignation and offense when so many of those doing the screaming are celebrating the videos immortality as a stick to beat warmists with, if the indignation was so important, wouldn’t those people prefer to see it forever gone?
I might be wrong but were the people blown up even sceptics?
Maybe the message is that to be deemed worthy of salvation you must “tythe” – simply doing nothing isn’t enough, you must give up 10%
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Well, looking at the first scene I see a number of stereotypes being developed. The goody-goody two shoes cycling girl, the ‘honest’ suggester of sensible ideas, and finally the malcontents.
As I remember my childhood at that age, the first two were of very low repute while the malcontents were generally popular.
That the malcontents were blown up was – and still is – uber cool. Hono(u)r to them.
I showed my kids the clip and all they could do was laugh.
I’m starting to suspect the script-writer was acting as a double agent
************************************************************
Jeremy – I agree with your assessment. The same can be said of the other scenes. The footballer who is blown up is the legend (he even talks about the game, whereas the coach is drilling the players for penalties – negative football at its most obvious). The office workers who couldn’t care less about what their lousy manager is asking them to do are the ones who would have “respect” from their colleagues. And Gillian Anderson is the popular figure (with a fictional anti-establishment persona) versus the unknown conformist with the red button. So in every scene it is the cool dudes who are exploded. The maker wants us to be on their side.
All the best.
The tolerant, enlightened Environmenta Left would NEVER stoop so low as to dehumanize those who disagree with them, much less suggest they be exterminated. Because yaknow, once you’ve identified those who are responsible for all the ills befalling everyone else, it’s only logical that someone should be empowered to remove them. But you people we wanted to kill just aren’t smart/nuanced enough to get this little bit of humor, so we removed it, sorry you’re not as enlightened as we are.
Amazingly bizarre that through all the different steps this film took.. from conception to screenplay to shooting to final edit to the person who gave the final OK… not a one of them said “nah this is just a touch over the top”.
Nope … doesn’t get any better with age.
Now let’s see if there are any slightly strange people out there who might take this video’s message to heart and try to come up with their own 10% solution.
I’d just like to echo Gavin L’s reply to Jeremy of WA. I’m British too, and my sense of humour is considered ‘robust’ even here, emanating, as it does, from the Goons, Kenneth Horne, Python etc. This video was something else entirely. It was sick.
If it had been made by skeptics, it would have been satire. The satire would be ridiculing the believers.
But this was made by believers. Did they intend to ridicule themselves?
I suspect Richard Curtis was making fun of them and they simply didn’t get the joke.
It’s not exactly primetime coverage, but the video was the lead topic on “Redeye”, Greg Gutfeld’s show on Fox.
I’m perfectly aware of the British sense of humour – being British, for a start – and wasn’t at all shocked by the violence in what was supposed to be a humorous context.
What appalled me was a) how poor and laborious it was and b) the message of the film.
The only way that you could read it as being anything other than saying that anyone even slightly sceptical deserves to die is if you believe that 10:10 and Richard Curtis, one of it’s oldest supporters, would want to completely undermine themselves and the cause in which they fervently believe. I don’t buy that for a second.
I think it’s a monumental misjudgement from people not thinking outside of their own little bubble and guaging how those outside the bubble are going to react. Let’s not forget that Franny Armstrong called her patronising sermon The Age of Stupid. That’s the way to make the unconverted warm to you.
I suspect that once Curtis had delivered a script then everyone else dared not question the Great Man even if they had reservations. They probably thought that he should know better than they what would work as a film and thought that at least his name would be great publicity.
However, Richard Curtis is hardly known as a “message” writer and his one real previous attempt at something on his own which had a message was The Girl in the Cafe – a clunking, borefest set around a G8 summit.
Curtis also has no real experience with humour quite this black. The darkest thing by far he has done is Blackadder which was tame by comparison. It was also co-written by Ben Elton, a writer far more at home with black humour and who was probably the source of most of the darkness in Blackadder.
Many if not most of Curtis’s scripts have been written with others, have been adaptations, and/or been heavily script edited by his wife Emma Freud. Perhaps she was away on the day he dashed this off.
It almost seems like a safe middle aged purveyor of romantic trifles suddenly decided that he could be as edgy and “in your face” as the cool kids and ended up getting it as horribly wrong as your granddad trying to rap.
To end on a lighter note:
A piece of Curtis’s writing from happier times which really was witty:
(No dismembered body parts involved)
As another Englishman, who loves Monty Python/Fawlty Towers and all other such comedy.
Satire? The only satire is on those who advocate silencing dissent, which seem to be quite a few on the pro-AGW side of affairs.After all, the science is settled & one shouldn’t give equal (Or indeed any) airtime to those who deny it!
I don’t really believe in AGW – I kill you.
Ahmed the Dead Terrorist is satire, this isn’t.
For some background on the producers and the Age of Utter Stupidity, check out
http://sppiblog.org/news/the-environmental-activist-mind-set-the-age-of-utter-stupidity
I’ve just seen this promo video for the first time…I am stunned and numbed that such appalling rubbish should be funded by any organisation other than a totalitarian group bent on taking away individual freedom from me, my children and any other person wishing to disbelieve their propaganda….how long must we endure this type of sublime mental blackmail, and especially in this case, passed off as humour?
I would think that any official use of any video like this would constitute harassment, violation of civil rights, and the creation of a hostile work or education environment.
They are trying to spin it as a joke, that people did not get British humour…..
No… I still laugh at Mr Creosote (monty Python – Meaning of LIfe)
This was different, ignore the blood and gore, it was characterisisng those who disagree, or even not that bothered, as lazy, misfits, stupid looking, outsiders, etc….
In a school, the voice of authority, has a casual indifference, even those children not blown up look shocked.. Same in the office, people who don’t fit in with the crowd, the boss, YOU, Choose, No pressure message. (the footballers are too dim, to see what they are involved in, but afgain, the manager coach are the authority here)
With Gillian anderson, you have to FULLY agree, not just do a little bit, or RED BUTTON.
I imagine, they thought it was funny, and at a level, one RED button might be.. BUT four times… You Choose, No pressure (4 times)
They (creative, rich elite media types, no doubt very inteligent, but no scoiince qualification, I have 2 degrees, hard science)feel superior to those who disagree, they are the elite, we the uneducated masses to be looked down upon.
It shows there feeling for people that do not agree… misfits, stupid, lazy, ugly, scruffy, outsiders, the bullied, that don’t fit in… and they take it to an extreme (blow them up). But in reality, it is about bullying, excluding anyone who does not agree, labbeling, calling them an outsider….
Where have we seen that before in history (cockroaches , in rwanda, the 1930’s) jokes, not a parallel people will say… don’t go over the top they say, ONLY a JOKE, don’t you have a sense of Humour…..
But how many people became desensized to ‘DENIAR’ in the last few years (casual use by some). Powerful message in the film, don’t satnd out, don’t disagree, don’t even be indifferent… You are with us or against us…… so it is BULLYING, controlling, with only the extreme over the top violence, allowing them to say it is a joke.
This type of humour is usually anti-authority, making you feel for the underdog… Comeuppance for being mistreated, etc..
NOT here, merely not being that bothered, brings down a casual violence, by this evangelical zeal.
For the people in authority DO know where you live – ‘We Know Where You Live’ (extreme greenpeace thinking/mentality).
I’ve met people that just look at me differently (as some sort of DENIAR) when I have expressed my thought or challenged thier statemenets. At my local Transition Town Meeting – They have a 10:10 meeting today, with councillors, the mayor, members of my community…
ANYWAY.
Don’t let them spin this as a joke tha backfired (it showed their thoughts for those who disagree with their worldview)
Here is an UNGUARDED, immediate reaction, in the GUARDIAN COMMENT section. He posted it in horror, then had to come back again, he was so UPSET with 10:10
This was a BOARD MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF THE EARTH
I sent the below to the BBC:
A comment from a FRIENDS OF THE EARTH Board Member – in the Guardian.. (immediate unguarded, un PR reaction)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments
JohnHalladay (Friends of the Earth – Board Member)
1 October 2010 1:27AM
God knows I’m on your side but this just panders to the morons who think we’re ‘Eco-fascists’ – own goal, guys.
Kill it and do something better.
Disturbing!
He came back for some more. (my asterisks)
2nd comment.. (could not leave it..)
JohnHalladay (Friends of the Earth – Board Member)
1 October 2010 1:33AM
Actually, I have to say something stronger,
this film is f***ing ridiculous.
I am a local Greenpeace coordinator, and a Board member of Friends of the Earth and I just can’t believe that you have produced a film that is so f***ing stupid.
There, I’ve sworn on the Guardian.[snip], where is your common sense. We’re trying to win hearts and minds.
This is just ludicrous.
Presumably this is John…..
http://www.foe.co.uk/what_we_do/about_us/board/board_members.html
John Halladay
“Friends of the Earth Trust and Limited
Elected Board member for South Central Member of:
Engagement Committee
Elected: 2008
Due for re-election: 2011
John’s particular interests in the environmental field include recycling, the concept of individual carbon allowances and the effect of increasing world population on the environment. He works as a Human Resources consultant greening the employment practices in UK companies and is also the joint co-ordinator of Bracknell & District Friends of the Earth.”
The BBC should be reporting this whole story to the general public, not perceived to be protecting the CAGW message.
On all the ‘usual’ blogs, there is deep cynicism that the BBC will not touch on this story….
I hope that the BBC can prove them wrong.
Please BBC this shows a ‘green bubble’ groupthink at work.. (much like Gordon Brown’s ‘bigot’ moment – the media ran with that, why not this?)
Did not ONE person, involved in this (there must have been hundred or more) not think to say: ‘hang on, is this really a good idea..’
Or was, it ‘NO pressure’ preventing anybody saying it was daft.
Or was green groupthink at work… Of course ‘NO pressure’ in those who might think it was a bad idea… so kep quiet.
It was going to be shown in CINEMAS..
EVERY single other environment group is absolutley furious with 10:10
Don’t let them pretend otherwise…
[Reply – you had three versions of this stuck in the spam filter. I’ve posted the first one ~jove, mod]
I disagree with Thomas Fuller that this vile digusting piece of hate mongering is aimed at our children. To an extent perhaps it is, but only as side effect resulting in intimidation of the youth.
The real aim of this Orwellian horror is to rally those of a like mind, a call to arms if you will. The victims are portrayed as malcontents, they are eliminated without emotion, without remourse. They are executed as non chalantly as one takes out the garbage. The message is aimed at other warmists, and the message is clear. They portray at once the urgency with which action must be taken, and by dehumanizing the victims, justify their elimination as something necessary, just like taking out the garbage. While more explicit and over the top than the Greenpeace gaffe, it is at its core identical in portraying skeptics as dangerous, and that the urgency of global warming may mean that they must be removed as obstacles to emission control by any means, and justified both by the danger they represent and that they are not fully members of humanity in the first place, more comparable to a bag of garbage or a vermin infestation than to human beings.
That this video saw the light of day at all is indicative of the mind set of those who made it. They are invested in their belief system, and have abandoned rational debate in favour of “what to do about the dissenters”. Only people who are already invested in the notion that there is something wrong with skeptics and that they are less than human could have seen “humour” in this videa, and failed to see the backlash it would spark.
So have no illusions. It was not aimed at our children per se, there was nothing in it that would pursuade anybody in regard to the global warming debate at all. It was a call to arms and a call to action by like minded people, with the dehumanizing of skeptics throughout the video as rationalization to make real action more acceptable.
The excuse by some official at 10:10 that they were not “really” advocating killing people was followed by a suggestion that perhaps a few amputations would be in order. The message in that was pretty much an admission that they had over reached in their attempt to rally the troops, but that was no apology, it was just a ratcheting down of the rhetoric. Having failed to get murder legitimized, they backed down to mere amputations, and then withdrew that remark as well.
But the message to other warmists was clear. Catastrophe must be averted, time is running out, and “we” must prepare to start taking real action against “them” for “we” are the real humans who care about the planet and “they” are just vermin or bags of garbage who are in the way of Truth and Justice.
I don’t know who if anyone they will pursuade to their side. I think it clear however what they think of themselves (defenders of all that is good) and what they think of “those others” (evil selfish geneticaly defective exploiters of all that is good)
I particularly like the Satire defense which totally misses the mark about the structure of satire. Satire operates through the emotions of shame and guilt, which is why it is more prevalent in shame based guilt based cultures and in cultures which care about appearances and propriety. There is no satire in a culture that lacks a strong sense of what is “proper.” Satire works best when the object of derision is an authority or institution . Satire is the weapon of the powerless against the powerful. That is why the best american satire is chiefly political satire-think Will Rogers– and why the best British satire– think swift for juvenalian satire and monthy python for horatian satire– is about class and position. When you dont have the power or position to reason with the power structure, your only option is satire, shame them, make fun of them. This is why the piece fails as a satire. In this piece, who exactly is the object of the satire? The skeptics in the piece are not shamed into changing ( which is how satire operates as a rhetorical device), rather the object of satire ( if there is one) are the authorities. Which means, of course, that it is self defeating as a work of satire since the point of the piece is to get people to listen to authorities.
Simply, if it’s a satire, then it’s a self defeating satire. Which means of course that it does not function like a satire, even if it was intended as a satire. The lesson is that when it comes to determining the “meaning” of a piece, authorial intention is not controlling. Something meant as a satire that fails to operate as a satire, is not a satire.
” just as when the WWF made an ad showing planes flying into New York skyscrapers,”
I work in advertising and I know a scam ad when I see one. The WWF poster does not look like a genuine WWF ad, rather one an advertising agency slipped in under the radar in an attempt to gain recognition at various industry awards shows. I believe a branch of the WWF OK’d the ad, but I wouldn’t great store by that, there are ways of blagging stuff through a client. It did not get wide print exposure, which suggests no real media budget, and the work itself suggests a very small production budget, exactly what you expect when an agency does this kind of thing “pro bono-ish”
A few years ago there was a video on the internet of Honda’s Asimo robot falling over during a demonstration, I thought it was funny, showed it to one of my Japanese co-workers (I work in Tokyo), he found it sad, like a watching a child fall over. I feel the same about this film in a way, not for the makers, but reading the attempts to rationalize it on blogs and the Guardian. It’s just sad, the debate can do better than this.
Islam spread and almost conquered the known world because of this sequence:
Say “Allah is the one God and Mohamed his prophet” and be saved. Otherwise “off with your head”. Swords were cleaner.
The simple difference between this and Monty Python is Python did not have an overt or covert political agenda.
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
I’m not in the least surprised that the majority of Warmists who have a problem with this are American, as are the majority of Climate Realists.
It’s a cultural thing.
Well, as one Brit/Pom/Limey who grew up on Monty Python (OK, so I was at University of Bristol when Python began), I truly understand satire, irony and sarcasm from a UK perspective – or at least as expressed by the verious genius comedic wits that eminated from Oxbridge in those years.
This is something completely different (sorry to paraphrase but hard not to) – this is sinister in the extreme.
History is replete with zealotry emanating from beliefs (as opposed to known truths).
We have seen so many attrocities in the name of religion, the Inquisition, The Malleus Maleficarum that culminated in the Salem trials, many 20th century topics just too horrendous to mention, religeous fundamentalism, McMarthyism that ostracised so many patriotic Americans who’s only sin was freedom of thought and expression – the list goes on and on
How many wars have been waged in the name of Religion? It doesn’t even need to be different religions – Christian on Christian is always good for a bloodbath.
To all these must be added the religion that is now CAGW – the loonatics are taking over the asylum – and don’t care what they do or who they hurt in the process.
One question I have every time – is the cure worse than the predicted disease?
From one Brit who knows when to laugh – and when to be ashamed!
Andy
I haven’t previously commented on this, since I did not want to raise this **** to a stature worthy of comment.
Of course it is clearly marketed at kids, ie., the internet generation.
Those involved in the making and marketing of this video could not see the harm that it would inflict since they are too close to the cause to be objective; it was like preaching to the converted. In matters of this kind (PR matters) it is always a good idea to run it past the opposite camp to see what comments arise and then to take these on board if a more impressive product is to be created.
I am English and I consider that I have a good sense of humour, but I did not find the video at all funny. The joke was old (Monty Python has long since done the blowing up of people joke), and the same and only ‘joke’ was repeated 4 times. You might laugh once at a person slipping on a bananna skin but you will not laugh 4 times when you see the same gag repeated over and over again; am I the only one who does not find ‘You’ve been framed’ funny. There is only a certain number of times that you can be amused by people falling down. tripping over (weather on the dance floor or otherwise), falling into water. Same O same O.
Further, and this surprised me the most, that apart from the first scene there was no effort to put forward a message relating to how one can go about reducing one’s carbon foot print. The video was not at all educational and herein lay one of its biggest problems. Since it did not seek to teach how one could contribute to reducing the CO2 footprint, the only message left was that if you disagree with me, I will kill you.
I think that the video would have been less shocking and come into less criticism if through out it had sought to suggest practical ways in which an effective reduction in CO2 could be achieved.
What worries me is that there is no such thing as bad publicity and the reaction to this video on the web will have encouraged more of the target audience (the young internet generation) to watch the video to see what all the fuss is about and it is likely that that target audience won’t be digusted by the underlying message that if you disagree with me it is OK for me to kill you.
For jeremy of W.A
Well I am British and naturally love and enjoy Blackadder, Fawlty Towers and Monty Python. Like all the other Britons on here, I don’t find this even remotely amusing. I was absolutely incensed and I have written a strongly worded email to Tottenham Hotspur Football Club (whose team I’ve supported for 45 years). The parallels to “The Eternal Jew” are too strong to ignore (you are not one of us and therefore are only vermin to be eradicated). Moreover THFC has always been known as a Jewish club whose supporters call themselves “The Yids”. For them to loan some of their players and staff for this mini film is beyond belief. The message of “The Eternal Jew”
ended up at gates marked “Arbeit Macht Frei”. This film is essentially no different. Its utterly appalling and it’s makers should be prosecuted.
Paul Deacon Your attempted defence of this video by suggesting that Curtis and 10:10 somehow have diffenerent agendas doesn’t stackup when you look at what Curtis says in interviews he has made since.
eg
“Richard Curtis, is equally proud of the production: “The writer of Four Weddings and a Funeral and Blackadder and an early 10:10 supporter, acknowledges that the 10:10 film is very direct.”
“The 10:10 team are a fearless, energetic bunch, completely dedicated to getting the public fired up about climate change. They also turn out to be surprisingly good at blowing stuff up,” he said.”
This clearly shows they are “on the same page” with this rubbish.
My problem is that the video in question was designed to be shown in schools. Not for adults, but for year 9 science classes. It contains no ‘science’, so what’s it’s point? If my children were still this age and I found out such material was being used in their classes, there would be several stiff letters to the local education authority, and demands to the school board to dismiss those responsible.
Have formally written to my UK MP and MEP’s asking that they investigate. Have further requested that funding for similar organisations to 10:10 is withheld until a full enquiry into the matter has been held. Not that the powers that be will actually do this, but I just couldn’t resist the opportunity.
As for the flaccid attempts to compare the video to Monty Python, Blackadder etc. I would like to make the point that comedy violence has to be heavily stylised or it’s just not funny. Perhaps the director and production team did not understand this basic principle.
Comment for Toto:
Let me get this straight: Rwanda, Bosnia, Serbia, Cambodia belong on the same list as the US Civil War? Lots of white people killing lots of white people in order to eliminate slavery in the US is the same as blacks killing blacks from a different tribe or Non muslims killing muslims, (or the other way around), or brown people killing brown people because they are middle class, or just to eliminate political opposition.
Well, regarding the US Civil War, I think I know which side Toto would have fought for.
I’ve managed to think of a pythonesque link, please bear with me and apologies to anyone offended by the religious analogies.
First it was the sin eaters and their carbon indulgences, now tytheing, what’s next, the Spanish Inquistion?
Nobody expects…, etc.
mrjohn says:
October 2, 2010 at 1:33 am
The simple difference between this and Monty Python is Python did not have an overt or covert political agenda.
Not to get OT or sidetracked, but as a humble undergrad at the time, I would have to say Python had a huge Political agenda – taking the p**s out of authority was on a par with what the Yanks and Timothy Leary were up to with their “Peace” protests – bring down the consevative institutions.
Come to think of it – this is where Greenpeace, WWF, et al came from !!!
Andy
“As there is no real attempt at humour in the video, there’s no point in pretending it’s a parody. It’s instructional”
Ha ha ha. Instructional? Are you serious?
There was clearly an attempt at humour. It was misjudged and poorly executed, but it was clearly an attempt at humour. If you think it was instructional, you’re flailing off into wild paranoia.
I’m afraid that many people have fallen for a old trick here – publicity stunt. By making a big thing about this and getting them to withdraw it is EXACTLY what they intended from the start! Can you people not see this? It’s used very often here in England – and people still fall for it. Here is the Daily Telegraph today, “The spokesman denied that the withdrawal was planned from the beginning as a publicity stunt.” That means it was!
We’ve had lots of these here. A few years back, a table football company (what you amusingly call ‘Fuseball’) said they were going to axe their ‘Subutteo’. There was outcry. Men (still remembering their childhood) were incensed. After a few weeks it was decided not to scrap Subuutteo at all! Well surprise, surprise! They never had any intention of doing anything of the sort, but it gave them game massive publicity and sales.
It doesn’t always work. Our principle chocolate bar here (Cadburys) this week tried a similar stunt. We suffer from political correctness here terribly, mostly at the hands of the European Union (EU). One of the ways that the EU try to make our lives worse is to insist on eurosizing. This is where grams and kilograms are obligatory rather than pounds and ounces. Cadburys most indignantly stated this week that there famous tag line ‘A glass and a half of milk in every bar’ was going to be dropped, and would now be ‘The equivalent of 426ml of fresh liquid milk in every 227g of milk chocolate’. Thing is, few bought the stunt because the Trading Standards Institute stated that they in fact had no legal problem with the original description, and that Cadburys had taken it upon itself to put out that statement.
So you see people (Anthony), it would have been better NOT to draw any attention to the 10:10 video. By doing so you have played perfectly into their hands, and are continuing to do so.
The 10:10 people desire to murder ALL people who don’t agree with their political view regarding climate.
“There are horrible people who, instead of solving a problem, tangle it up and make it harder to solve for anyone who wants to deal with it. Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.” – Friedrich Nietzsche
BrianMcL says: …. “Stand aside worthy adversary!”
Global warmer …. hop, hop, hop!
Another Brit here that didn’t find it funny. Not that shocking either, as we all know how anti-human the eco-warriors are too. Anyone who thinks its satire ought to re-watch it carefully. If it was satire the joke would be on the teacher (and other ‘authority’ figures). They would be the target of the piece. Satire is not satire unless the target is obvious. The whole point of satire is to exaggerate the characteristics of the target to its logical conclusion. So a satire of the teacher would involve her arriving at school in an SUV, dressed in fur, and telling the pupils to save 10% of their carbon emissions so she could go on driving her big car, and then blowing up those who disagreed. Thats satire. Merely proposing a sensible thing (everyone saving 10% of their carbon emissions) and then coldly killing those who disagree is not.
Ross says: ““The 10:10 team are a fearless, energetic bunch, completely dedicated to getting the public fired up about climate change.”
…. burn the witches!!! (?)
Come on, the best thing we could have done is to have said nothing. Global warmers always claimed to be the victim of the “oil conspiracy” out to silence them. Now it is patently obvious that they are the establishment figures in these videos trying to silence anyone who dares disagree with them.
If we had said nothing and let this film get out to the schools it would have turned the youth (and probably half the teachers) against the bullyboy global warmers and their fascist conformist ideology.
They have form with this. Not so long ago they produced a scare-film for children, where all the animal were drowning because of climate change. Not so shocking as blowing people up, but of the same genre. It was a hyper-distress film targeted at kids.
I cannot find a copy, they seem to have deleted it from YouTube . If you can find a copy, please post it.
And as I said before, you can make a formal complaint to the Met police under thie hate-crimes unit. It is a simple online form. You only need to have been going through London for this to be a Met police issue. Loki online under Met Police Hate Crimes unit.
They cannot prosecute, unless a certain number of complaints have been received.
.
I finally got around in watching the actual video, i got as far as 1 minute 20.
This would have been satire and therefore funny if the teacher name was, lets say miss “Teatime” (pronounced as Tea-ah-time-eh) and that she blew up the kids for not believing in either the Hogfather or the Tooth fairy.
This is not funny at al, its just a few steps from things that happend here in the Netherlands (and in the rest of occupied Europe) some 70 years ago, where kids at school where wondering why some of their classmates disappeared overnight and where never seen again.
10% solution: Religious excuse for murder, perhaps.
(from the SPPI link:) This is what activist film maker Franny Armstrong thinks about her work:
“Doing nothing about climate change is still a fairly common affliction, even in this day and age. What to do with those people, who are together threatening everybody’s existence on this planet?”
How did she equate using something as innocuous as a bit of energy in daily life (that was put in place by the powers that be) with actions that threaten the whole planet (such as a nutjob with a thermonuclear device)?
Someone goes beyond mere activism, reaches deep into the pit of hate, and it gets pasted up on the Internet anyway.
Escalation.
Blowing people up is always humour, and never offensive. The next film will feature orthodox Jews being blown up by Palestinians. Or Kurds being blown up by Iraqis. Oh, what a laugh. And let’s teach this to our children too, as being the norm…. (sarc off)
They still don’t understand?
The Guardian has really lost the plot. They now have an article on Bin Ladens opinions on Climate Change right next to the “10:10” video.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/02/osama-bin-laden-climate-change
I am fairly certain that there is no example of a Monty Python sketch in which the the individual who dared to stand out against easy conformity was portrayed as the villian. I have always though the the Emperor’s New Clothes was a fundamental text for English satire, this production is the mirror image.
To those who are comparing it to ‘A Modest Proposal’ I’d say yes, you have a point but ‘A Modest Proposal’ was itself misunderstood and hence backfired
(Writing as an English woman of Welsh & Scottish ancestry)
The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley says:
October 2, 2010 at 1:57 am
The stunt was not over a marketing choice, and there are some things that cannot be kept quiet about.
Like allowing a group to single out a sector of society for extermination.
I’m also appalled at the poor English pronunciation of the schoolteacher – “..ge”ing your dad to insulate the loft..”etc. No wonder so many school-leavers are illiterate.
[regret some of us north of England folk do pronounce our words in such colloquial ways ~ac]
10:10 have said “sorry”.
But are they sorry for rocking the boat, or simply sorry they didn’t get their message across in a more palatable way. They will try again, and again, for they are working for government, and our taxes are paying for their efforts. I find this episode both enlightening in as much as it shows the ‘green’ movement for what it is, exposing the harsh reality of ‘we will make you obey’ by indoctrinating young minds into believing their propaganda wholeheartedly who then regurgitate it without any further thought or opportunity to research and discuss. Brainwash them while they are young, and you have them for as much of their lives that matters – people are tools able to self motivate themselves if given enough ‘reason’ – no matter it is not supported by evidence. All around the world this can be seen to work, famously in the way German people supported Hitler. It was the same with Communist Russia, and Japan too, the people did not want war, but the propaganda machines told them that without it, they were doomed.
This ‘humorous’ (?) mini video produced by 10:10 has many undesired consequences. Apart from the shock tactics deployed in ‘blowing up children’, which in itself would not be contemplated in an Iraqi, Palestinian, or Israeli school for very obvious reasons, it has ridiculed the people involved in the making of the film, and the tactics of the so called ‘environmental movement’ showing the depths to which they will go. This is not about environment, it’s about mind control. But there may now be many children who having watched the film, genuinely be aware that not following the class orthodoxy may get them into trouble. Not that they might expect to be ‘blown up’, but that either; they will be taken aside for a talking to, or be met with bullying tactics from their school ‘pals’. This latter is exactly how in Germany during the second world war the Gestapo and SS were able to find and round up dissidents – they were grassed on by neighbours and sometimes relations who feared for their own lives if they covered for someone, or even simply kept quiet. It’s the tactics of fear. The war on terror is the perfect cover for a war using terror to make obedient the slave nation.
Children and women first.
I am also wondering about the cost of this film, It seems to be quite an epic of casting, professionals and props.
Either 10:10 are rolling in money, or I have a suspicion of help from a Quango (explanation… Quango – a fringe government organization using government money). If this film was made with Quango financial assistance, we need to know.
.
I really think people are falling for this publicity stunt hook line and sinker. The aim of the film was to illicit the kind of response they have got and to obtain the pompous responses of climate “deniers” who “don’t see the joke”.
We’ve seen many of these “shock” publicity campaigns, where the original film was only meant to create something that got talked about. In that regard they seem to be 100% effective!
Still, I found it incredibly funny – because it was so obviously a shot in the foot – I still can’t believe it was done by those believing in global warming. The look on the kids face as they suddenly realise that their nice green teacher is a psychopath who’d kill any one of them who didn’t agree with her. I would liken this to the shock US airline passengers got when they suddenly realised that if they passively went along with airline hijackers they would be flown into skyscrapers!
This quote from Franny really sticks in my craw
““Doing nothing about climate change is still a fairly common affliction, even in this day and age. What to do with those people, who are together threatening everybody’s existence on this planet?”
I have worked the last ten years to really do something to improve quality of life and the environment and enable people to earn a real living. I am trying to help Maori friends , develop their indigenous crops for example, but they cannot get a small grant to do so because the project actually aims to do something rather than is pure research. I can recount very many more examples. To get small sums of money to achieve massive results is next to impossible, so to see this woman with her hate and threats being sponsored by Sony and the Guardian just makes more more determined to succeed.
Sadly New Zealand is ruled by these people, Gareth being a prime example.
With the knowledge and expertise available, why is NZ not 100% renewable energy?
In an agricultural country why is so much land set aside?
Why have they disposed of dairy farms and substituted “Milk Powder” factories.
The likes of Franny and Gareth have a lot to answer for.
All gore or Al Gore, what’s the difference?
The UK Conservative Party support the 10:10 campaign, as does Deputy PM, Nick Clegg. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/02/10-10-campaign-tory-frontbench
The Conservative Party is currently holding its annual conference. If the Party does not repudiate this vile Richard Curtis video, the world can draw its own conclusions.
Thank you, Andrew W. I’m shocked too by the mention of hell in such a nasty way. From the UK, it often seems that Americans wish others in hell. They need to calm down and stop being so mediaeval in their reactions. Seems to me that wishing others in hell is just as bad as blowing people up. Worse, because hell (for people who are so primitive as to believe in it) is supposed to go on forever. Gross.
Freedom of expression is a great blessing in many respects. One reason is that it allows insight into the mind and thoughts of the person expressing. Thought is action in fancy, an expression of the “desire” of the one expressing. To paraphrase the Gita, ” desire leads to recklesness, then the memory all betrayed, saps the mind, till purpose mind and man are all undone.”
Any decent study of history “memory” is fair warning to those who think such actions will remain in fancy only.
print your own campaign t-shirt:
[/snip]
[REPLY: Linking to an image of major vulgarity is the same as posting the word in a response. … bl57~mod]
TGSG says: October 2, 2010 at 12:17 am
You’ve hit the nail on the head.
Why did NOBODY making the film see what the public reaction would be?
It’s the insulation from debate, fostered by years of Hansen, Gore, Romm, RC, Bob Ward, Schneider, et al, that has built this impregnable fantasy-land “don’t argue with me, I know the science” attitude. That is what frightens me, all this energy going into “education”. It’s why Monckton took Gore to court.
So I say again, although “I was only acting under orders” is no defence, we still need to take the science at the top to the cleaners. The science, not the scientists, as far as humanly possible. Then let the scientists go through their Damascus moment, repent, be truly “born again” as real scientists, relearn Scientific Method, take on board the importance of citizens’ science, and THEN return to their jobs (not fear being stripped of them)… but with an honourable agenda this time.
The work of things like the 12-Step Program, and many top coaches, is clear evidence that saying “sorry” and resolving to make amends works, not just for the health of the individual concerned, but also for his economic wellbeing.
Thanks to the reader for posting the Beck/Gore clip.
This movement of violence didn’t start yesterday. It’s been in the works a long time.
The indignation is long overdue. But, better late than never I guess.
The protesters have been getting increasingly violent for years. That’s something we’ve known for a long time anyway. This clip is just blunt about it. Call it the spiral of enviro-violence.
My wife watched the clip and she said it will be very successful in drving people AWAY from the cause – for sure. She found it aggressive, threatening, intimidating – a real turn off. She was quite upset by it.
I then showed her the Greenpeace hooded punk kid clip…and that was enough.
So far in Germany, not a peep about it in the media.
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
I’m not in the least surprised that the majority of Warmists who have a problem with this are American, as are the majority of Climate Realists.
It’s a cultural thing.
———————————————————————————
Response.
I’m not sure. I’m from the UK and I loved the Python, but the humour was directly in a different way, it was directed at a particular genre of films and entertainment and parodied them to excess. There is a difference here. What if the joke had been to shoot the children in the head? or drive others into gas chambers? It could be made so gross as to be theoretically funny, but the point is that such satire would be directed at particular scientific ideas and people, not other genres of entertainment. We know that blowing people up is not a joke, and is a sensitive issue for many. How would this film be viewed by someone who had lost loved ones from the suicide bombings on the London Underground? Not so funny then eh? You’ll recall Thatchers point of wishing she had a red button she could push which would solve all the problems of unemployed people? same thing, same lack of understanding and insight into the beliefs of others.
*ahem*
One thing I found that may be more stupid and irritating than this video, is the ongoing opinions that Richard Curtis was some sort of double-agent, or deliberate saboteur, or otherwise did what he did knowing it would blow up in 10:10’s face.
The man is a professional. He wants people to purchase his content and services. He knows the people doing the buying do not want to deal with people who are erratic and willing to disrupt and sabotage their clients.
Either Curtis has done his best to deliver to his client what they wanted, or this was an act of career suicide. The first case seems far more likely.
These weak attempts at being backhanded apologists for 10:10 are rising to their own level of being disgusting. They invested considerable time and resources into doing this video. If they had sensed anything amiss during the process then they would have intervened rather than waste those efforts. By the proposed scenario, not only was Richard Curtis committing career suicide, but also 10:10 was too stupid to realize they were being deliberately thwarted. Groups like that don’t operate without expert marketing advice coupled with experienced public relations consultants, married with professional content generators. Do you think they could have gotten all these big names to sign up without such?
Richard Curtis delivered what the customer wanted. The customer was satisfied, the content was released. A professional effort by all involved, beginning to end. It was the tireless efforts of this site and others that informed the presenters of this professional marketing effort that, yes, there is a line, and yes, they have crossed it.
These people know what they do. They have their message, they know how to deliver it. They know how to quell dissent and ridicule skepticism. They got what they wanted, their funny little video, and they waited for the world to laugh with them as loud as they were laughing.
To insist these 10:10 people were somehow hoodwinked by the nefarious Mr. Curtis, is stupid, and irritating. To pretend they didn’t realize what the message crafted into this video was really saying, is irritatingly stupid. They knew, they did it, they released it.
This excuse being floated, that 10:10 didn’t realize the seriousness of what they were doing, because they were fooled and betrayed by one man, has as much validity here as it did as a defense at any war crimes trial over the last 50+ years, as it does as an apologizing explanation for jihadist murderers. The likely truth is harder to accept, but has been valid from antiquity until now and will be so in the future. They did not see those they went against as real people, as fellow humans, and they were surprised there was such a fuss over their actions against these non-humans.
For my part, I endure these people as well as I will endure those providing these awkward contrived excuses for them, these who willingly enable the others by sowing doubt about their motivations. To support our orderly and civil society, I shall endeavor to keep the entire internet between myself and them at all times. Perhaps that will prove sufficient.
One early commenter showed the video to their kids, and mentioned the kids laughed, thinking it was funny. In a macabre way, it is. If that’s the level that the AGW crowd must stoop, without addressing the actual science, they’re pathetic.
One other aspect that is troubling is the manner in which an adult, a teacher, casually kills children.
Can we imagine the outrage if the video had been produced showing kids blowing up teachers? If the video had been produced by kids?
This film is a symptom of something darker, and more sinister and widespread than merely having to do with the climate/CO2. Look around at what has been going on in the world for the past few decades. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but it scares the hell out of me.
Hi Ralph at 2.20am
I think you might be after actonco2’s bedtime stories?
Try searching for that, it should be there.
So the message is conform or die. Where is the satire here ?
And the resulting future after this suggested genocide is one where all the cool, rebellious characters (Ginola, Scully etc) are gone, exterminated, leaving those who don’t question and don’t dare to have a point of view that differs from the consensus.
Yes, I’m British. Yes I love Python. In fact, (slipping into upper class accent) nobody enjoys a good bit of satire more than I do . . . but trying to compare this hateful trash with the intelligent, inspirational Pythons is not just wrong but desperately sad.
Mike Haesler – “it’s only a fleshwound”?
Further to my comments on Satire, Monty Python etc. I forgot to include self-deprecation.
Self deprecation is the art of putting oneself down for the amusement of others. Self satirisation is pretty much the same thing.
This clip is a self satarising piece that uses a ‘cartoon’ image of homicidal greenies blowing up dissidents – in order to attract attention, perhaps even attract a laugh, but overall to put the message across about energy saving.
There’s way to many serious people around these days.
Re: jeremy of W.A
You can get Britishness in pill form now? Damn, those scientists are good. I’m British, I’m offended. Whether people find this offensive or not may depend on whether they expect to have their finger on the button, or not. If you don’t, you may be offended, but not for long because Franny & Co are happy to push it. No need to bother about boring details like evidence based debate, or even reasoned debate. Just believe, or die. Truly she is living in the age of stupid.
She even tries to downplay the violence by saying-
I know climate policies proposed by her and her ilk will cost an arm and a leg but I didn’t think they meant it so literally. So amputate away, it could save me money and I’d lose weight. Would do nothing for reducing carbon though because amputees generally need more help and support.
We’re aware of that because we have soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, where believers are only too happy to push the button for real. Those soldiers are fighting and being killed or crippled so that others can have the right to believe, debate and make their own choices, and not face summary execution at the hands of people who think like 10:10.
But the 40+ media professionals, plus presumably others who worked on this lavish ‘mini-movie’ failed to see how this could send the wrong message. That’s a bit worrying and says a lot about their world view. So 10:10’s grand 10-10-2010 campaign has suffered spectacular blowback. Their sponsors and supporters are no doubt happy with a campaign that wants to summarily execute non-believers. Poor Franny may have anticipated jetting off to the US and then Cancun on the fundraising trail, but may be as welcome at a party as a dose of crabs now. Hey Franny, where’s your button?
How can it be that schools supposedly support 10:10 when 10:10 produces videos of teachers blowing up scoolchildren?
Case study: 10:10 schools
http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/05/case-study-1010-schools
“Children at Argyle primary school learn about climate change and the 10:10 initiative in a workshop run by Actionaid.”
“It is these kind of challenges that the school’s headteacher, Laura Wynne, and many others like her, are grappling with as they try to cut their carbon emissions by 10% for the 10:10 campaign.”
“Having signed up to 10:10 a couple of months ago, Wynne is now working out how best to bring that bill down, with the help of ActionAid, the charity responsible for helping schools with the initiative.”
In light of the “no pressure” video, how should we interpret this?
This is so disgusting that it is beyond comments.
Please stop these people before the video turns into reality.
blimey. i get that thru on the gradiuan!
@Mosher
your quote:
” … rather the object of satire ( if there is one) are the authorities. Which means, of course, that it is self defeating as a work of satire since the point of the piece is to get people to listen to authorities. …”
Now you’ve got it. As I said, it is satire, but very poor satire. It missed the mark. I think it’s funny enough for kids in the sense of silly splatter films, but neither of my children believed a single word of it. Nor do I think it will provoke murderous outbursts … but then, I don’t support censorship at all.
And as you likely know, I’m a very hard AGW sceptic. This silly little film doesn’t bother me at all, rather the hysteria to denounce it I find unsettling. Are people really so silly as to be scared of it ?
One of the comments above maintained that no Monty Python skits singled out sections of society like this. Oh yes, some skits did – eg. an early one depicting people from the British aristocracy being so stupid that violently removing them from the gene pool was an altruistic act to be rewarded with audience laughter
I finally had the chance to see this video… Well, to be honest I stopped after the 2nd button. That was more than enough.
Picking a place to start on this is tough. There are so many things to point out. Things like the targets being the withdrawn, dorky, not cool people to begin with. The kind of people mocked as the stupid ones in commercials.
There is no attempt at humor here. This is a statement that the world is better off without certain people. There is certainly some significant money behind this and the fact that such money and such a message were together on this is disturbing.
If I take this video into consideration with other recent news events in the US. The recent plan of the White House to get ISP’s and industry to self censor themselves on what the WH considers acceptable.
Recently when US health insurance companies said increasing premiums were caused by the recent change in health care law, they were told to stop all claims like that or be cut out of all future dealings with the government.
I am becoming concerned that there will be actual problems with free speech in parts of the world that have not experienced such problems before in the near future. It is difficult to say if these unrelated themes will cause problems for Skeptics in the future, but is raises the potential for it happening.
Email sent yesterday around an Oxford University mailing list. Note the timestamp (UK time) – by that time the ‘reaction’ had resulted in the original video being taken down, but no mention of that.
————————————————————————————-
Climate humour on a wet, wet, wet Friday
Ian Curtis [xxx@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: 01 October 2010 17:09
To:
eci-all@xxxxx.ox.ac.uk
Attachments:
Dear All,
forgive a late fri run-round ..but you might be intrigued by this piece
of humour from Richard Curtis/ 10:10. Will be interesting to see the
reaction …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film
—
Ian Curtis
xxx@xxxxxxxx
Environmental Change Institute
Oxford University
OUCE, South Parks Rd, Oxford OX1 3QY, UK
http://www.eci.ox.ac.uk
————————————————————————————
Just emailed the BBC to ask why it’s not made the news anywhere on their sites or transmissions, I don’t expect I’ll get a reply. Wonder why?
jeremy of W.A. – I don’t need lessons in being British, I have been all my life. I also love Monty Python and am old enough to remember it when it was first shown. But there is no comparison with this piece of filth.
I also accept that many kids see and play with far worse computer games every day. But again there is no comparison with them “having a laugh”, and being effectively told that disagreement with a fake religion means death….
I have complained to my MP, and asked if this is really what her party wants to be associated with, but on past experiences, I don’t expect much of a reply.
Got it, bite back with their own laws.
Use the new Harman “offensive” law
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1316837/Employers-face-equality-law-nightmare-Coalition-pushes-ahead-Harriet-Harmans-Act.html
Now that would be sweet justice
Oh and being English and a teacher I do have a problem with this film!
Anyone who doesn’t and professes to be a teacher should do some soul searching. Maybe you are not in the right profession.
Lets have a vote
A Joke
or
A Threat
Is the ‘Behind the scenes’ video available anywhere? There’s a bit with kids here – complete with a couple of chilling quotes – but I had the impression there was a longer version.
In a different context, the images of people blowing up in a bloody mess could be acceptable to the audience. A fictional horror, a comic horror, a sci-fi drama, whatever. But the context here completely scuttles their efforts to communicate a message.
The children are just innocent small people who have done nothing wrong. They disagreed but in our eyes there is nothing wrong about that. We don’t find blowing up innocents funny.
Imagine the context of the 10:10 film makers. In their eyes, the world is one united consensus of caring people who are being held back by a few who are so selfish, so ignorant, that their presence threatens all the peoples of the planet. It is soo frustrating trying to get through to these people, that well… we know you try but, wouldn’t it be funny if you know, you could just ‘get rid’ of them? With a button. Just like that.
The problem for 10:10 has got to be, most of the people reject that interpretation. Most people say, “you’re killing innocents for not believing your dogma”.
By making this they have shown how out of touch they are.
I’m getting to really like Mike Haseler’s posts. He has it right, as I do, that this is simply a publicity stunt that you have all fallen for. Why can you not all see that? I’m annoyed that you’ve all been suckered in.
So it’s ok to blow up kids now, or what?
Darn it, and I have just bought a refurbished flame thrower to help with the ice melting project. Don’t know if I can afford refurbished explosives too, and besides, last time I tried the refurbished explosives they didn’t work at all, very weird, something about being one time boomers or what ever, pfft, why resell em at all? o_O
The members of 10:10 are tax payer funded fantasists.
Franny Armstrong, 10:10 founder, said the shock tactics were justified. “We ‘killed’ five people to make No Pressure – a mere blip compared to the 300,000 real people who now die each year from climate change.”
QED
The facts of the matter are that millions die every year due to lack of clean drinking water and proper sanitation. A contributory factor to these deaths is the anount of funds diverted from overseas aids budgets into the fantasy of solving the made up problem of dangerous AGW.
Dr Jacob Bronowski’s passionate and moving defence of science.
Curiousgeorge says: October 2, 2010 at 3:31 am
Stand in your integrity and see what speaks to you.
Right through history, people have had experiences like yours. Challenge is not new, it’s just that the particular form each time is new.
“Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.”
There is no new opinion to posit, the ghastly intent of this disgusting video is evident from any number of viewings. Any trace of irony – beyond it having the opposite effect to that intended – is absent. Trying to make comparisons with Monty Python or British style humour is ludicrous and shows a lack of any understanding of either.
Monty Python was surrealistic, it used parody, word-play, it took well-known (to the British) social conventions, institutions and taboos and turned them on their heads and caricatured and lampooned them.
In Monty Python style it would have been the teacher who exploded when she pressed the red button, for example. That would be the unexpected; the irony.
The 10:10 video does none of that. It presents those who disagree with the premise as less than Human, worthy of no consideration and thus justifies their execution by unpleasant means; just as heretics were gouged with red-hot pincers and burned at the stake in past times when the righteous declared them anathema and ex-communicant.
What I want to know is why in a Country where independent thought or causing offence is no longer permitted thanks to the previous Socialist regime and to start a joke with, “There was an Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman…” is sure to result in several squad cars-full of police calling round to take the citizen to task for “hate speech”, the perpetrators of this video are still at large.
Anybody got a box with a red button?
Andrew W says:
October 2, 2010 at 12:07 am
Andy does have a point about the genuineness of the screams of indignation and offense when so many of those doing the screaming are celebrating the videos immortality as a stick to beat warmists with, if the indignation was so important, wouldn’t those people prefer to see it forever gone?
No, because the video shows the true nature of what we are up against. At this point, I’d say it is the warmists who would most like to have it disappeared, as they indeed tried to, but they were too late. Now, all they can try to do is spin and damage control, but clearly that isn’t working either. LOL.
Ah at last the BBC have caught up! But interestingly they toned down the language they used to report it. Instead of killed or murdered they used exploded or dispatched. In all the tone of the reporting was very light on 10:10. Again I wonder why? As to us all being suckered in, well maybe we knew all along how violently radical the warmists would be, history repeating itself when it comes down to belief over reason. But it will be short lived, as reason will prevail.
Well, if climate change death is as real as claimed, then by making that film, with professional actors, crew, lights, equipment, etc. they will have produced CO2 and consumed resources, thus killing some real people somewhere. If not killing, maybe chopping off a few limbs here and there.
It is that old excuse; we can consume because we are doing it for a better cause, whilst you people are only consuming due to selfish greed.
Frankly, if you watch “Psychoville”, you can see this is just cutting edge humour, bordering offensive to funny, but that’s not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that 10:10 are championing a falsehood.
The scary thing is how would these idiots run things if they got into power. I mean, even Mussolini did useful things. But these idiots… sheesh.
Maybe the best reply to someone who calls people “denier” is to call them “idiot”.
BBC finally get around to mentioing the story… must have been a busy news day yesterday!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11458726
In some comments elsewhere, a figure of 400,000 British pounds is being suggested as the cost of making this film — I can only hope that the price to its makers turns out to be much higher in terms of lost funding, sponsorship withdrawal, and so on.
there was a new law came in friday its time to use that law to sue the makers of this film you have the right to sue if you are affended by this film its time to take them down and hurt them where it hurts in the green pigy bank
And now for something completely different.
Well it’s not completely different, but different enough, without being too different as that’d be strange.
I found this fine example of (C)AGW arithmetic presented on a locally-produced show, as would be presented to impressionable schoolchildren, as provided by a company doing appliance recycling for the local electric companies per their energy efficiency programs.
Old refrigerators contain styrofoam. In the making of it, the dangerous greenhouse gas CFC-11 may have been used as a blowing agent. In each refrigerator there is the equivalent of two and a half tons of environment-damaging CO2. After the old units are cut apart with a Sawzall (known as a reciprocating saw among you civilians), the styrofoam is stripped out. There are about 10 pounds of styrofoam per unit, containing about one pound of gas.
It was shown how the styrofoam, from a big pile of pieces from many units, was carefully bagged to guard against the release of this dangerous gas. The styrofoam is then appropriately taken care of “elsewhere.”
There you have it. A single pound of CFC-11, found in old styrofoam in an old refrigerator, is as dangerous to the environment as a greenhouse gas as 2 1/2 tons of CO2. Yes, that is the styrofoam numbers, the refrigerant is not included.
Gee, if it came down to it, I should be able to claim at least ten tons of carbon credits for what’s in the house and on the property. Although if it really is as damaging to the environment as that much carbon dioxide, maybe I should save that styrofoam for use in an actual greenhouse.
☺
@Ric Werme says: October 1, 2010 at 9:25 pm
well said!
jeremy of W.A. says: Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Have it on DVD and VHS. Watched often. Have the whole Faulty Towers series too. Don’t need a “course” as Mum is from England. I get the irony sarcasm just fine, love English humor, and know I have the English sense of humor as my friends don’t always get my jokes for exactly those reasons.
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
OK. It’s worse crap than I thought the first time. Cold. Manipulative. Hateful. Vile.
Substantially no “humor” in it at all (and no, not even dry droll British humor). Just a load of “Blow Up Children who Do Not Submit”.
It’s a cultural thing.
I’m sure it is. Like eating your children during famine, or beheading those who do not agree with you, or blowing up innocents in airplanes to make a statement. All “cultural things” too. So was worshiping a sun cult and purification (of body, soul, and population). It’s not the fact that it’s a ‘cultural thing’ that is in dispute, it’s the nature of the ‘culture’ involved… and it isn’t British.
Sidebar: I’m especially fond of the “Gamy Leg” skit and also love A Fish Called Wanda… Oh, and “Mr. Creosote” was delicious 😉
Grist, sadly and disgustingly, is basically defending the movie and blaming ‘deniers’.
Here is what I left there as a comment:
“Blaming Marc Morano for for what a mainstream cliamte activist organization has shown about the dark side of the AGW social movement is almost as dumb as defending the movie.
That would be like blaming the ADL for pointing out that an anti-Semitic group made a movie about killing Jews and then defending the humorous intent of the movie, and that killing jews is not really what it is all about.
If people are not free to disagree, they are not free.
Perhaps a more thoughtful response from opinion leaders of the AGW movement would involve repudiating 10:10 and their movie and calling for a civil tone by AGW believers, including respectful dialog with people we will from now on call ‘skeptics’ and stop denigrating them, their ethics and beliefs. Most of all eco-activists need to stop pretending that their beliefs entitle them to threaten people, break the law, or support those who do. If you cannot get this message out, your movement will be fatally weakened in a matter of months.
From a reasonable person’s perspective, this move is simply a logical step in a movement that has gotten more and more shrill, self-righteous and demanding, even as public opinion tires of it. Face it: calling ‘global climate disruption’ for over 20 years has failed. Find something better to do than to defend blowing up children who disagree with you.
The ‘yecchhhh!’ factor is now attaching itself to you.
And I bet you completely miss the message. ”
I wonder how long it will take them to delete it?
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 2, 2010 at 3:39 am
Further to my comments on Satire, Monty Python etc. I forgot to include self-deprecation.
Self deprecation is the art of putting oneself down for the amusement of others. Self satirisation is pretty much the same thing.
This clip is a self satarising piece that uses a ‘cartoon’ image of homicidal greenies blowing up dissidents – in order to attract attention, perhaps even attract a laugh, but overall to put the message across about energy saving.
There’s way to many serious people around these days.
It is not a cartoon. A cartoon would have been distasteful but would not have raised this fuss. Cartoons, and before that Punch and Judy etc shows allowed expression of aggression harmlessly, because it is evident that it is not real people, but extremes of real people behavior.
This “no pressure” is made like a documentary. Would you let your kids see a real war conflict documentary with blood and gore? In our TV in Greece they shade over the blood and gore even for adults. This video was made in order to look real and convey reality, not distancing abstraction from human behavior, as cartoons are.
I think you are wrong.
I agree with those who say it is pornographic, in the sense of snuff films. There are people who get their excitement from snuff films. This caters to the perverts who fantasize blood and gore.
The people who are saying that they intended to have this effect for publicity are wrong, too.
Would you accept the 9/11 perpetrators saying it was for publicity? Then yes, this was also done for publicity.
John at 4:09,
I agree. The Monty Python comparison is completely false.
Beside, the makers of this film excuse the killing in very serious if totally delusional terms:
“We ‘killed’ five people to make No Pressure – a mere blip compared to the 300,000 real people who now die each year from climate change”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film
They obviously meant every drop of blood quite literally.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11458726
The BBC have finally got something up online but as you would expect they’re not condeming it, just following the joke gone wrong meme.
There are quite a few questions on the net asking if this was a publicity stunt, that they were intending to take the vid down anyway. The aim, to get us all talking about 10:10 which 99% of people have never heard of. I have my doubts that they got exactly what they were after LOL.
jeremy of W.A: I followed the comments on the film at the Telegraph and the Guardian. The majority of UK opinions were negative as well. It’s not only clueless Americans who didn’t appreciate “No Pressure.”
As a clueless American who’s a big fan of British shows like Monty Python and Blackadder, the film missed the mark in many ways. First, it wasn’t nearly cartoonish enough, as Python was, to distance the audience from the horror. Second, I don’t remember children ever being killed in anything Monty Python did. Third, Monty Python material was anti-authoritarian and anti-violence. The Black Knight in Holy Grail was not a sympathetic character. The Peckinpah satire was anti-violence.
Just for light relief here,
Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhmnOpoGAPw
I’m sure you’ll get the joke.
[thanks for the reminder ~jove, mod]
Another cult that kills unbelievers…
I imagine if all involved (the rich media creative types, and the funders) cut their own emmisions by 10%..
Then their emmisions would still be MANY times that of mine…
My family haven’t flown for a long time (can’t face it with under 4’s)
Yet @i’m sure Franny, curtis, et al, think nothing of it..
I bet none of them even buy a JP Morgan Climate Care carbon offset, from their bunch of ‘merchant bankers’ friends in the trendy ‘chattering classes’ parts of London. Did they carbon offset, to relieve their troubled minds, about all the CO2 they are emmiting….?
http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/
How many houses properties does Curtis have again (london west country, etc)
So to all thos eco rich activists preaching…
When you have REDUCED your ‘carbon footprints’ to merely ONLY 10 times mine….
Then I might start laughing, vs being very concerned that they are in positions of power (ie media and establishment, the luvvie, political circuit)
The AGW apologists who are asserting that this was all just a big funny joke that the moronic denialist scum are too stoopid to get are doing the best thing possible:
Helping the echo-chamber of AGW drive straight off the cliff into the trash heap of history.
Please, do keep it up.
Like most dysfunctional social movements, AGW’s worst enemy is its strongest true believers. 10:10 meant this to be mainstream, huge and wildly helpful in getting the AGW dogma more widely accepted.
10:10 is slick, funded by huge corporations and governments, and attracts the alleged best and brightest.
If a skeptical group had made fun loving video where skeptics could blow up AGW promoters droning on about how much worse things really are, or holding some huge tax payer funded ‘climate conference’ at the push of a button, would that be cute?
Please. The makers would be facing terrorism charges already.
Memo to believers: Keep it up. This is making people simply go ‘yuck’.
At you.
I am having a fabricator make a red button like the one on the movie. I will personally deliver it to Senator Inhofe to keep on hand for the post November hearings.
Read a lot around this, and the only funny part I can so far glean is how all the creators and their apologists’ stories seem to evolve hourly… and contradict endlessly.
Don’t mention ze Audi ad… I did once but think I got away with it!
Personally I am now awaiting a) the BBC to eventually twig that it’s looking silly gazing at its navel in the bunker, again, and b) speaking of public funds being committed without much choice, for a few quango investor senior board types explaining their support for this.
I mean, like the £6M ‘bedtime stories’ worked so well for Ed ‘n his plans ‘n all.
I’m ashamed to admit this but the awfull advert is in keeping with modern UK youth humour. Mony Python isn’t a good reference point because it was 40 years ago! We’ve had 40 years to warp what (in my opinion) already warped comedy. OK, this is at the upper edge of repulsive for us but not way out of bounds. Little Britian is a more apt comparison. Violence and sheer cold blooded victimisation is weaving itself into our society, no small wonder it creeps into what should be polite society.
From a comedy persepctive the real crime is it was a very poor joke, repeated 4 times, just in case you didn’t laugh the first 3 times.
On behalf of the British sense of humour… sorry.
A contributory factor to these deaths is the anount of funds diverted from overseas aids budgets into the fantasy of solving the made up problem of dangerous AGW.
It’s not really that. “Aid budgets” cannot solve poverty. Charity can certainly help people in distress and that is laudable, but it will never help an economy escape poverty. The primary problem is deliberate action by western agencies to prevent development in the Poor World, precisely because those agencies are the tool of people like these film-makers who despise wealth and comfort (0ther peoples’, they don’t mind a bit for themselves) and thus they actively prevent development.
The Poor World remains poor because western elites have decided it will not be allowed to become rich. For the good of the planet. It’s a new and particularly pernicious form of imperialism.
Maybe it is a British thing, which explains why the rest of us don’t get the joke.
In the historical play/movie, A Man For All Seasons, Henry VIII asks all his loyal subjects for a little favour. When he meets resistance he puts “no pressure” on Thomas More (and Bishop John Fisher) to sign the Oath of Succession/Supremacy. Because they would not sign the “oath” they were beheaded.
Everyone else in Britain who were given the “request” signed on.
I think I get it now.
Ralph says:
October 2, 2010 at 2:10 am
“Not so long ago they produced a scare-film for children, where all the animal were drowning because of climate change.”
The scare film is here:
http://tinyurl.com/ygdaq6c
Many people complained and this is what happened:
http://tinyurl.com/ye5msne
You will need a lot of time and a strong stomach to wade through the report, but
at that time (early 2010) the IPCC reports were called upon to justify rejection of many of the complaints.
The film maker is reported as saying that it was not aimed at children, but they recognised that children may see it. So thats all right then.
No reaction from the BBC yet: (5 mins ago)
A search of the BBC website for ‘No Pressure’
http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?go=toolbar&uri=%2F&q=%22no+pressure%22
yields nothing………………
I wonder if people would have found it “funny” – you know, “British satire” – if a group of skeptics had produced a similar video showing Hansen, Gore, Jones, et. al. being blown up in a graphic manner for their positions on catastrophic global warming…
In any case, this is all about MONEY, and until the people who are funding these 10:10 clowns are exposed and shamed, nothing will change. That’s why I opine that 99% of what passes for global warming “research” is nothing more than make-work projects for government and academic scientists who want their slice of the Climate Ca$h pie…
@ jeremy of W.A “Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)”
So you think this film is satire? Been said already by quite a few people, but perhaps you should consider that satire and irony mostly work because they expose and exaggerate underlying truths.
Now if only we could get them to build their own red buttons and self carbonate.
My son is sendt to a trip to Auschwitch this year on something called “Tolerance trip”.
The young is learning tolerance. I like that.
However , the socialist teachers in Norwegian schools….I dont think they learn the children what tolerance really is. Or in-tolerance.
They dont learn that In-Tolerance comes in new shapes every time. They dont learn the children how to recognise in-tolerance, when it pops up again under a new name.
So, they learn that something called nazism is bad. And they learn that nazism is some obscure Right-wing stuff they must stay away from. End of story.
What if they learned that nazism is short for National Socialism, a sort of socialism turned bad. What if they learned that socialism in itself is a way of in-tolerance.
If every one in a society is supposed to be equal in every way, you need to do something about those who do not want to conform.
You must use force against them. That is when in-tolerance come into play.
So my question to the teachers is;
How can you be a socialist, and teach our children tolerance at the same time?
[snip. You’ve been around here long enough to know that calling people “denialists” is not appropriate. Stop it. ~dbs, mod.]
Jo Nova has issued a very interesting challenge:
“My Challenge to Green groups: Call off your attack dogs.
For peace loving environmentalists, you may not have asked for this, but your true colors are being tested and the test comes from within. The challenge goes out to the Greens, Greenpeace, WWF, The Wilderness Society, CAN and the Sierra Club. Will you allow your sycophant totalitarian bullies to push these death-threats under the guise of joke, or will you stand up for human-rights, for peace, for non-violent answers – and denounce 10:10 and demand it’s immediate dissolution? Do environmentalists dream of violent deaths of the children of those who disagree? Unless you issue clear official statements that you are appalled by the 10:10 threats, that this kind of sicko-psycho intimidation is dangerous and uncivilized, then we mark you as tacitly approving. It only takes one written press release for your organisation to make its stance clear. What say ye?”
I wonder how many green groups will dare to distance themselves from 10:10?
I agree with TinyCO2, this is basically in keeping with recent British stuff like Psychoville. This is stuff I couldn’t bear to watch, but after you get over the vileness, it gets funny due to its clever stuff.
However, that’s not what really annoys me about this video. Vile or not, it promotes a falsehood. It attacks reason. It is just a media campaign, well funded, well organised, promoting false views, or if you will, views which are mostly false, and damaging.
I wish the environmental movement would find wherever they’d left their brains and go fetch them.
Osama Bin L. drives an old carefully preserved VW (love those N. cars!) to the United Nations to deliver a speech on global warming in the wake of the Pakistani floods, He implores the world to do something. Some nations disagree, notably Obama and Cameron. Obama says ok, no pressure, and blows them up with RPGs from across the room. Next an Arab stands up, rich from oil wealth and says, Osama, the Earth is but a speck of dust in the eyes of Allah, you are a failed Muslim! So he pushes a button and Mohammed enters and sprays everyone in the room with a volley of spears. Funny? No? After a while trying to be shocking just gets very boring. I suppose we should hand it to real writers like Curtis who can be creative.
It is just a pity they’re idiots when it comes to science.
Stephen Skinner says:
October 2, 2010 at 4:07 am
Dr Jacob Bronowski’s passionate and moving defence of science.
A very moving piece by Bronowski, but I think his premise is not accurate. It was the thick use of the questionable science of eugenics, coupled with an absence of the dogmatic religious belief in the immortal human soul of every human being that animated those committing the atrocities alluded to in the clip.
Similar situation with 10:10 and their dubious “climate science” coupled with dogmatic eco-pantheism. Hopefully they were not foreshadowing their hopes and dreams in their film/fantasy, should they come to power.
@Jeremy
“Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.”
At risk of being snipped I have to say that is absolute patronising rubbish. This already tired canard that the bad reactions are uncool people who don’t “get” British humour is despicably desperate and jingoistic. I’m a Brit and a lifelong fan of the quintessential British humour expressed in the likes of Monty Python, Blackadder, Brass Eye, In the Thick of it etc etc. This sick and offensive video bears absolutely no relation to these fine traditions and I’m already sick to death of seeing people who presume to speak for me as a Brit making specious claims that it is a “cultural thing”.
[no you don’t get snipped, because you are not attacking the person, just what he said – strongly worded, but polite enough ~jove, mod]
I may be in a small minority here, but whilst my sympathies are with WUWT in general, I find what I’ve seen here to be a total over-reaction. I laughed at the video – at them, not with them – and at its bizarre content. I wasn’t in the least bit bothered by the gore and the screaming. I was, and remain, bothered by the video basically equating skepticism with thought-crime, but I thought the video was no more than a more than usually explicit statement of the warmist-fanatics’ view. No surprise, nothing to see, and nothing here that’s worse than what they normally do. This was par for the course, so why are people so upset?
I would note that I come from a family with very poor taste in humour. My grandmother lost her sister in the Nazi camps, but still tells poor taste jokes about the holocaust. Maybe this is why I’m not offended by the way the content was presented, but, still, I’m not. What I’m annoyed and offended by is the idea that lies behind the making of the film, and that was something we all knew about already.
just my £0.02 worth.
Regarding the apologist for the propaganda snuff film in question,
it just goes to show that some people can rationalize anything
if they believe that their ends justify any means whatsoever.
This film is not satire or humour, certainly not Monty Python.
The “this is British humour” rationalization is a load of bollocks.
M.P. did not advocate killing children who questioned their humour.
As a previous poster speculated, one possible way to understand this is that Curtis wanted to see what was the most offensive script that he could come up with and still have the eco-righteous approve it.
Off-topic, but here’s my nomination for roll-your-eyes quote of the week:
“In an article from November 5, 2008, Josh Willis states that the world ocean actually has been warming since 2003 after removing Argo measurement errors from the data and adjusting the measured temperatures with a computer model his team developed. ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_(oceanography)
@De Nihilist
just showed it to my 18 yr old son, slightly amused, but thought it was sick. Whereas I found it humourous.
And no, it does not show the “real” plans of the left, just like Delingpole does not show the “real” plans of the right.
I disagree with you – I do not think it is humorous … I find it profoundly disturbing. However its OK that we disagree, although I’m not sure I’d ever want to have a drink with you. What I find interesting is your insinuation that its ‘OK’ because it doesn’t show ‘real’ plans by the left … and then defend that by somehow comparing it with Delingpole because of something he hasn’t done.
Wacko and bizarre.
Wow…seriously…
Who the hell thought this was a good idea.
Romm’s posturing is feigned outrage.
The dead seem to not be those sceptics. They seem to be those that do not cooperate with the group mandates.
Hansen, Romm and several others express dangerous events and seem to show glee in destruction of non believers.
We need to make this an example of their branding.
I am a skeptic and the other party is the 10:10 crowd.
–
At 9:26 PM on 1 October 2010, jeremy of W.A. had written:
“I’m not in the least surprised that the majority of Warmists who have a problem with this are American, as are the majority of Climate Realists.
“It’s a cultural thing. ”
Yeah, I’d have to agree with that. Most assuredly “cultural.” From the moment I saw that first scene begin – with the little English kids in the kind of uniform dress that we tend to associate chiefly with Roman Catholic parochial schools here in the states – I flashed instantly on a novella by Darian Worden titled Bring a Gun to School Day (2008).
From Jim Lesczynski’s review (at http://tinyurl.com/2w7g6w2 ):
“Nevertheless, Bring a Gun to School Day isn’t really about guns, nor is it really about school. It’s about the self-destructive compulsion of modern society to forsake freedom for the illusion of security, to retard the capacity for critical thought in our youth, and to stamp out any trace of real individuality wherever it is found. As a condemnation of the modern police state and nanny state, it succeeds brilliantly.”
I expect that the reason why so very, very many of those “who have a problem with this [vicious 10:10 video] are American” is that every American (especially the government-worshiping warmist types) knows full well that the immediate response to any such action on the part of our public school gulag bureaucrats would leave the advocates of the anthropogenic global warming fraud – all of them – once and for all incapable of anything other than putrefaction.
As General Burgoyne had occasion to observe of the illegal American militia besieging the British Boston garrison in 1775, we are a rabble – but we are most assuredly “a rabble in arms.”
–
Would the once prominent British Fascist Oswald Mosley have warranted this 10:10 crap?
-Just asking.
it is on the BBC…… bit hard to find
BBC: Environmental campaigners axe gory film
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11458726
Environmental campaigners 10:10 have withdrawn a film showing a teacher graphically exploding two of her students who refuse to reduce their carbon emmissions, after complaints.
In a statement, the group apologised to anyone offended.
The film aimed to “bring this critical issue back into the headlines whilst making people laugh,” the group said.
Lizze Gillett, Global Campaign Director for 10:10, told the BBC: “As you can see from various comments and social media sites some people thought it was funny and a good tool to get people talking about climate change but others strongly disliked the mini-movie. We decided to take it off our website to avoid upsetting people. ”
———————————–
They are ‘spining’ , pretending the opposite reaction, to this already….
I agree with Tom and the commenters here that the film was confusing and in bad taste. Trying to hang Romm and McKibben with it makes no sense, since both renounced it.
As for related finger wagging at “alarmists” (like me)…no.
Many people have did from global warming, in this very early stage. It will get much worse. That makes the fossil fuel companies, and their useful idiots on the blogs and in the media accessories to murder.
On top of everything else, isn’t it the case that AGW supporters tell us we need to cut by 80%? So what’s the point in asking for just 10%? How many kids would be blown up if the teachers had asked for 80%? And explained that this would mean no iPods, iPlayers, Wiis, car lifts to every social event, etc, etc.
What do such organisations do when they recognise they’re irrelevant? They make themselves into the news rather than focusing on the messages they’re intended to promulgate. This is quite an extreme way to do it, but then that’s part of the process. It’ll get them some more government funding and that’s their real aim.
For Jeremy of W.A.
I _am_ British and I am also ex-military and I can assure you I am perfectly familiar with and a user of black humour.
This video was NOT humorous. It was a targeted hate and dehumanising video showing that it is acceptable to kill opponents to your particular argument or point of view. This has none of the hallmarks of Monty Python, none whatsoever and for you to keep trying to refer it to Monty Python shows your misunderstanding of the genre and is insulting to its creators.
This video shows what will happen if the AGW proponents continue in their whipping up of their more fringe supporters. Unfortunately, there are some that are extremely easy to whip up and I can see this video being shown by them repeatedly, as they all giggle over it and desensitise themselves to the idea of harming or killing people that disagree. This is the whole essence of conditioning.
If you cannot see that then you exhibit more than a different sense of humour.
Here is a Sony brag about working with 10.10. I looked at their comments, Guess what, cease and desist from outraged people. I added my own, “No more Sony products for me” comment and why
http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/09/1010-sponsor-sony-prepares-their-101010
Interesting how the number of posts on these blog posts differ between science and entertainment.
A really scientific post = 50 posts
A post on a film – 5000 posts
Shows how much this entire blog just falls into entertainment for the masses and not something doing much good ?
Andy
It is an interesting examination of “group think” and “noble corruption” – as Anthony termed it – in that the video actually made it to the internet.
A lot of planning, a lot of money, a lot of review must have gone into this before it came out on Thursday.
At some point, somebody must have “put up their hand” and said this is in such bad taste and is so morally wrong that we should stop this video now. Others must have said this video will backfire on the organization immensely so let’s stop now. I’m sure a few did but it went ahead anyway.
“Group think” that they were on the right side must have overwhelmed any qualms. Is the process that much different – making videos versus conducting science on the climate. I imagine the same human tendencies can take over in both areas.
“Many a true word is spoken in jest
Meaning
A literal meaning; that the truth is often found in comic utterances.
Origin
The first author to express this thought in English was probably Geoffrey Chaucer. He included it in The Cook’s Tale, 1390:
But yet I pray thee be not wroth for game; [don’t be angry with my jesting]
A man may say full sooth [the truth] in game and play.
Shakespeare later came closer to our contemporary version of the expression, in King Lear, 1605:
Jesters do oft prove prophets.”
To be safe we need to keep the spotlight on these people to ensure they never get elected and get a chance to put their full malthusian plan into action.
Apparently, I’m banned now from posting at Climate Progress.
I left a comment at the site of another guy who was quite rude to me. But that will probably disappear as well. Here it is for posterity-
“Hi Frank.
I just want to understand your reaction to my post on CP. I spelled out plainly that I have been involved in environmental restoration for years and have a consciously low carbon footprint.
Your reaction to my post was that I was an ‘inactivist sock puppet’.
Listen, I have no problem with actions on climate change, so I’m not sure where this came from. I’ve been a CC campaigner/anti nuke campaigner at various times.
Maybe you could list your ‘actions’?
This kind of response to me is exactly representative of the message of the video under discussion, where any deviation from officialdom is greeted with swift retribution, hostility, attack, and silencing. I am banned now from CP apparently so I guess Romm doesn’t really take kindly to this freedom of thought thing either. You know, I am a fairly reasonable guy. You could have engaged me in conversion and persuaded me by whatever it was that you thought I needed to know. I am open minded.
You are others at CP are alienating environmentalists and people who may care about these issues by your approach and that to me is a concern. Concern troll I may be. I agree you all need to sit down calmly and work out what needs to be done here. I suggest better interactions with the people who have problems about the messages being communicated in ‘mainstream’ enviromental media, for a start. You might find that the values being pushed in these communications are not so mainstream and that people are likely going to get upset. And damn right I am upset.
Unfortunately, due to your failure to engage with me on a human level, I’m still upset. And I will be likely pass along my experiences here to anyone who may be interested. If Romm doesn’t want people to connect him to the main message of this campaign than he should bloody well act appropriately!
Stu
“
I still can’t believe they did it! AGW supporters must be as dazed and confused as Charlton Heston’s character in the final scene of Planet of the Apes.
I am thinking of school rooms and offices across the world on monday morning, as authority figures mention global warming, and everyone legs it!
If Governments including UK and USA are going to reopen their whitewashed enquiries, and re interview the likes of Hansen, Jones, Mann, Acton, Oxburgh etc, could the committee chairs have a grey box with a red botton on it please?
To all of those comparing the 10:10 filth to Monty Python – has anyone asked any of the Monty Python team their opinion? If I was one of the Monty Python guys I wouldn’t be too happy about the comparison.
Is this hate crime covered by the 1st amendment? If not then where is the action against these purveyors of hate and violence? No response from the MSM! Maybe its OK with Couric. Maybe its OK with our government! Obama had a teaching moment with a professor and a cop but no teaching moment involving violence to children over his pet cause involving millions of viewers!
The Guardian appears to have just pulled the entire article complete with comments. However, the story has now appeared over at the Daily Mail where it’ll reach far beyond the Moonbat echo chamber.
Franny Armstrong (from the Guardian ) …
What to do with those people, who are together threatening everybody’s existence on this planet? … Because we have got about four years to stabilise global emissions … All our lives are at threat …
These are the kind of people you are dealing with. Zealots.
What makes them dangerous is that, unlike more mainstream religions, sinning, punishment and judgement day are to be a shared experience. The upshot of which is that while there are still “sinners” around the “righteous” will be “punished” right along with them. All believers have to be zealots, their immediate futures depend on it.
You have to wonder at supposedly intelligent people like Romm who suddenly discover that they no longer command of the mob they have spent so long stirring up. Perhaps he should have read history rather than Physics.
This would all just be a bad joke if it weren’t for the ongoing brainwashing of our children by our public schools, and the murder-suicides the Carbon Fraudsters have inspired.
If there is a ray of hope, it is that by the time crusading children were slaughtered and sold into slavery, that social mania was already subsiding.
mike roddy says:
October 2, 2010 at 5:59 am
“Many people have did [died?] from global warming, in this very early stage. It will get much worse. That makes the fossil fuel companies, and their useful idiots on the blogs and in the media accessories to murder.”
Oh? Who?
Stephen Skinner says:
October 2, 2010 at 4:07 am
> Dr Jacob Bronowski’s passionate and moving defence of science.
Ah, someone remembers. I bought my first color TV to watch his Ascent of Man series.
Just a few days ago I heard a reference to this being the 30th anniversary of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos. (The one with the stupid dandelion space ship made of star stuff). Galling reminder, the Ascent of Man was so much better….
Jean Parisot said on October 2, 2010 at 4:56 am:
Make sure to follow the proper labeling standard for red buttons sent to politicians, in this case it would be labeled “Reset”. If you were sending a reset button it would be labeled “Overload” (you’re trying to blow something up). This is done due to the tendency of politicians to do the opposite of what they say, thus this system avoids accidents. It’s a proper diplomatic protocol, just ask the US State Department for confirmation.
If, as some have mentioned, the intent of this movie was simply to increase the visibility of the 10:10 organization. Then, it has clearly worked. I had never heard of them before, but now that I have, I find them to be a bunch of hateful lunatics.
I have the feeling that was not the message they meant to to deliver.
Seen at http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments
I don’t know if this is the first reference.
In the justification for this nonsense we keep being told that the pretend deaths of a few is justified by the deaths of 300,000 real people each year.
Where does this 300,000 figure come from? I mean, can anyone name any of them? Surely that would be a more powerful message.
GavinL says:
October 1, 2010 at 11:55 pm
“I laughed my socks off when Mr. Creoscote blew up, but remember it was a wafer-thin mint that did the damage…”
The first time I saw that scene was in a movie theater. I laughed so hard I fell out of my seat.
The film has demolished any semblance of credibility that 10:10 may have had. Wile E. Coyote has more credibility when it comes to recommendations on climate policing, er, policies. Perhaps IPCC Pachauri could release a public service announcement to help restore some integrity- you know, throw the IPCC’s integrity behind 10:10…
The 10:10 video is confirmation that the agw crowd knows the CO2 fraud is over.
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
============================
So you are saying that this kind of “satire” is so quintessentially British and subtle that it cannot be grasped by other nationalities without hard studies in Britishness and Satire?
You mention Monty Python as representative of this kind of work. How do you explain that their movies were also very popular outside of Britain, including many non-English speaking countries?
How do you explain, reading through the reactions, that we find so many educated British people who fail to grasp the wonderful subtelties you hint at? Does the proper understanding of this movie require acquaintance with some kind of extremely advanced Britishness, so advanced that it remains inaccessible even to most British people?
On the other hand, I read comments by an Australian saying this humor is readily accessible to Australians, but has no chance going through customs in the US — so maybe this is a Commonwealth kind of humor. But then, here in Canada, people are finding it hard to understand as well.
Would you at least care to tell us exactly WHO or WHAT is being satirized in that little movie? (I mean, other than the goody-two-shoes characters and their views.)
These film makers attack the foundations of our Rule of Law. They portray that it is right to murder people to “save” the earth from catastrophies projected by alarmists.
To those who like me are attracted to the idea that Curtis has got his hand up Franny wossername’s skirt, I think the best comparison for this sort of parody is not Monty Python, but The Office, which made me laugh and cringe in equal measure – I cried with mirth, but wanted to hide from the TV behind my own sofa. While it’s just possible that a man with Curtis’ ear for cant and drivel can be a warmy, it beggars belief that he would also imagine that this film furthered his cause. My suspicions were reinforced when my spies sent me this early draft of Franny’s withdrawal notice – the part in italics seems to have been redacted 🙂
“Today we put up a mini-movie about 10:10 and climate change called ‘No Pressure’.
With climate change becoming increasingly threatening, and decreasingly talked about in the media, we wanted to find a way to bring this critical issue back into the headlines whilst making people laugh. We were therefore delighted when Britain’s leading comedy writer, Richard Curtis – writer of Blackadder, Four Weddings, Notting Hill and many others – agreed to write a short film for the 10:10 campaign. We assumed that Mr Curtis, who is known for the concerns he professes about African poverty, would be a fully paid up CAGW cultist, and didn’t think to question him too closely n the matter. It turns out that his concerns about African poverty are not merely professed but sincerely felt, and that Mr Curtis is in reality outraged at the prospect that abused and shoddy science is being used to deny Africa the path to betterment enjoyed by Europeans. When he suggested blowing up kids, we thought it might be a bit OTT, but hey, he was the creative one, right? We thought we were commissioning a dead-cool, edgy movie to promote a self-evidently virtuous cause. How were we to know he was in reality crafting for us enough rope to hanghhh…”
I just bought a TV (Emmerson). Looked up “Sony” to see if they were the controlling company. Nope. If they had been, I would have taken it right back to Walmart. From now on, Sony and all its brands are on my no-no list.
From AndyW on October 2, 2010 at 6:05 am:
Very well then, you can go somewhere else and do a lot of good. Accumulating positive karma never hurts, and you might need a lot some day.
“jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm”
I will not make an apology, but comparing this utter rubbish to Monty, well, you have no idea. Even John Cleese is on film stating that even the Pythion team didn’t know what Python was all about. It was “out there”, experimental, it was leading edge TV in Britain in it’s day, just like The Goons on radio before. John Cleese (Who’s name was “Cheese”, before his father changed the family name to Cleese) and Connie Booth decided the 12 episodes of Fawlty Towers would be the only ones, never to make a sequel as they knew, after writing and producing, they would not and could not do better. And it’s true, I am glad there was never a sequel. The 12 episodes are 12 classics that are timeless.
Now, references to Mr Creosote exploding being funny. Well, yes it is IMO, but Mr Creosote chose his fate. This 10:10 vidoe just dehumanises people who follow a different path but then don’t get a choice in thier fate. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?
“mike roddy says:
October 2, 2010 at 5:59 am”
Really? Directly from climate change, or some form of dogma? I would suggest the latter. Aztec/Moche = human sacrifice, war etc. In modern times, war, disease (The “Spanish” ‘flu killed more people after WWI that during WWI itself). Since the advent of the car, millions have died from crashes.
Don’t see anything attributed to C02 driven, man-made, climate change there.
AndyW says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:05 am
“Interesting how the number of posts on these blog posts differ between science and entertainment. ”
Andy – you have noticed the WUWT hit counter?
56,571,825 and counting.
We don’t discuss many films here.
Hello Thomas Fuller,
I believe that you are so right with your belief that the target market of this propaganda video is children. I’ve read so many personal blogs from parents about their kids, both in Australia and the UK, relating the bias of teachers pushing the AGW theory as truth to their classes , thereby making any young dissenters automatically wrong and bad in the eyes of their classmates.
The producers of this video had obviously done their research and focus group work and were well aware of the shock it would create, and also were well prepared to say “sorry folks”, (but only after it went viral and the message was delivered globally). There were no ‘mistakes with humour’ – just well planned, well researched, well funded and targeted propaganda.
This war will unfortunately not be won simply by scientific integrity and truth – I wish it could be – but rather it also needs to disseminate that truth via insightful marketing.
Thanks for the insight.
I have since become convinced that it matters little that the producers may have been hoodwinked by the writer/director’s take on the debate (re: the finger pointing alluded to in TomFP’s comment). What matters are the sponsors. The list is filled with “AGWAR-morist” sponsors I never buy from, but there are a few biggies that spread their wares far and wide. Consider my door shut to those wares.
If you take out the explosions and insert more moderate punishments, “re-education” for the kids and a dead career path for the adults, the the video is pretty much a short documentary of UK life.
The UK is a lost cause but I have faith that the march of the zombie army will be fought hard in the US. Don’t let us down.
AndyW, if you have a debatable point about the film, offer it. Otherwise your posts are, in my opinion, looking like drive-by shots of hot air. Why do you find the film enlightening?
Like the guy who thought it would be a good idea to fly Air Force one around Manhattan with an F-15 following it during the first couple of months of the new presidency, scaring the total (snip) out of New Yorkers. Brilliant PR stuff. Foot-Shooters Inc.
AndyW says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:05 am
Interesting how the number of posts on these blog posts differ between science and entertainment.
A really scientific post = 50 posts
A post on a film – 5000 posts
Shows how much this entire blog just falls into entertainment for the masses and not something doing much good ?
Andy
I went and counted all post responses on this vile video. No more than 1200 all 5.
So you are either innumerate, or a liar. Your choice.
BTW the real scientific posts often hit 250.
Al Gore’s Holy Hologram puts it in its historical context…’Another cult that kills unbelievers…’
‘We’ve got a little list…
We’ve got you on our list!’
Boy, Spurs must have got an earful. Here is the response I received from the Tottenham Hotspurs Customer Service Manager at 0830 this morning:
Note: They are employing the PARODY defense.
Thank you for your email and we fully understand your reaction to this film.
The Club has been a supporter of 10:10 since its inception and the organisation has been instrumental in debating the issues surrounding climate change.
We took part in the film in good faith. We appreciate that this film may offend some and that others will see it as a typical Richard Curtis tongue-in-cheek approach to raising awareness.
We shall pass you response to 10:10.
re:”Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary …”
Monty Python did not have an agenda of ideological cleansing. These folks appear to. Monty Python’s agenda was to make a living getting laughs. Poor analogy.
The “satire” and “parody” defense do not hold up as the movies were produced by an AGW propaganda organization. One does not parody oneself.
Paul Deacon, Christchurch, New Zealand says:
October 1, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Those who seek to control speech remind me rather too much of those who would like to have a red button.
———————-
I’ll second that.
And, incidently, YouTube/Google are far from being bastions of free speech, IMO.
Colonel Sun,
Sorry for the typo. “Died” is correct. As in deaths from historic heat waves in Russia, France, and India.
There’s a lot more to come. Try reading the scienco on the subject. And yes, Anthony Watts and Tom Fuller will share responsibility for these horrors. And no, I don’t want to blow them up, or even shut them up. Communicating the actual scientific evidence is my goal.
Great… it’s on the Daily Mail only because Curtis is such a well-known figure… 10:10global.org will be gone faster than you can say “revisionist”. And i guess the guys that dragged Sony, Microsoft and O2 into this marketing fiasco can look for a new job now.
(About the involvement of the above mentioned companies; here is the German site of 10:10 bragging about it:
http://www.1010global.org/de
)
I think this film is aimed at waverers. It is aimed at believers who may be thinking of becoming luke warm believers. The over riding images are of the images of shock amongst the believers about what happens if you leave the cult. The lady who is giving her help for free is blown up for being a bit luke warm in her commitment.
The controller are surely sociopaths. They press their buttons with glee, there is no remorse even though the well behaved children under their care are obviously upset.
This is not about converting, it is about controlling the flock using brutal totaliarian methods.
It has nothing to do with British humour, look at the Gaurdian comments, the British are not finding it funny.
That this wasn’t meant “to be funny” is that they used real-world people, kid’s icons, that is members of Tottenham Hotspurs football club. Kids look up to these people.
RR Kampen says:
October 2, 2010 at 5:39 am
[snip. You’ve been around here long enough to know that calling people “denialists” is not appropriate. Stop it. ~dbs, mod.]
=================
Well, I don’t get so upset about that word. After all, we do deny (not just doubt) many things the alarmists take for granted, and there is an excellent book by Lawrence Solomon, titled The Denialists, that reviews some of the scientific literature against CAGW from a very friendly perspective.
I accept that humans, like any other organism, must have some kind of effect on climate. I am skeptical about claims that our effect is significant. And I adamantly deny it has ever been demonstrated that humans have a *measurable* effect on climate. Whatever effect we may have, it remains unmeasurable to date. In that sense, I am a pure denialist, not a skeptic.
Richard Lindzen has often hinted that skepticism may be too polite a word to describe the logical reaction to many of the CAGW claims. See for example:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/lindzen_heartland_2010.pdf
[…]
“Perhaps we should stop accepting the term, ‘skeptic.’ Skepticism implies doubts about a plausible proposition. Current global warming alarm hardly represents a plausible proposition. Twenty years of repetition and escalation of claims does not make it more plausible. Quite the contrary, the failure to improve the case over 20 years makes the case even less plausible as does the evidence from climategate and other instances of overt cheating.
In the meantime, while I avoid making forecasts for tenths of a degree change in globally averaged temperature anomaly, I am quite willing to state that unprecedented climate catastrophes are not on the horizon though in several thousand years we may return to an ice age.”
DirkH says:
October 2, 2010 at 7:35 am
“[…](About the involvement of the above mentioned companies; here is the German site of 10:10 bragging about it:
http://www.1010global.org/de
)”
I think i should better copy the text because it’ll be gone quickly:
“Genug geredet, fangen wir an. Großbritannien macht es gerade vor; 80.000 Sign-Ups von Einzelhaushalten bis hin zu Firmen wie Microsoft, 0², Sony und und und…
”
Translation: Enough talk, let’s begin. The UK leads with example: 80,000 sign ups by individual househols as well as by companies like Microsoft, O2, Sony and many more.
John Kehr says:
October 2, 2010 at 3:50 am
I finally had the chance to see this video… Well, to be honest I stopped after the 2nd button. That was more than enough.
You really need to see the end. The message there is very clear when Gillian Anderson is vaporized, and her eyeballs slide down the window — no matter who you are, you WILL believe, or die. Your life is less than nothing to us, its almost too much effort to push the button on you.
These people are clearly sick.
TGSG says:
October 2, 2010 at 12:17 am
Amazingly bizarre that through all the different steps this film took.. from conception to screenplay to shooting to final edit to the person who gave the final OK… not a one of them said “nah this is just a touch over the top”.
—————————————————-
I find that amazing too. I think it shows how totally psychologically absorbed they are by their ‘religion’, that they literally cannot imagine anybody not finding it funny. I’ve believed for a while now, that people betray themselves by the jokes they make. The warmers have really exposed themselves here, as many folks have already said.
The big picture is summed up by Gillian Anderson at the end. It’s not even enough to “talk the talk” and ally with them. If you don’t sacrifice for the common good then it’d be better that you were removed from the earth so that you’re not causing problems. Give up 10% or 100%. Your choice. No pressure.
Regardless of the intent of the producers this video turned out to be a mildly amusing black-humor satire of the Green’s totalitarian zealotry. Not as funny as the pioneer in this genera: the Green Police commercials that aired during the Superbowl here in the USA. Hoisted by one’s own petard comes to mind.
I saw this referenced on the Guardian website-
‘Doctor Bronowski Defends Science’
Very relevant.
Time to jump in again. The Pythons did not kill children in their skits. Children did not get covered in blood and gore. Now I have seen blood and gore. Including my own. from
accident, aircraft crashes,cattle and hog butchering. Children here are butchered. There are already children being butchered in real life. War, crime,terror, we are worried about a real attack in Europe and the USA by the Bad Men of the Quedist movement. This Film is worthy of Lili Riefenstahl. Who, in later life was something of a greenie herself. Though she was a better director,technically.
Thank you Mr. Fuller, and others who see this as what it is- a hate film.
What is the difference between the people that support the actions of 9/11 and the people that support the actions of 10/10?
Only 1 step to the left.
evanmjones says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
============================================================
I grew up on MP. I have as dark a sense of humour as anyone. Laughed my bleep off at “we are here for your liver – what? – well you signed the card” and when the Catholic woman dropped the kid while doing the dishes I think I bleeped myself. The Holy Grail I have watched 20 times. I see something new to laugh at everytime I watch it. The question here is context. If this “film” had appeared as a Python sketch or on SNL or on MAD TV or even South Park I probably would have cried laughing. But it wasn’t. It was put out by a Government sanctioned organization which wants to tell us how to live. Their choice of message was ‘comply or die’. That is not funny, that is scary. How is that any different than the message any number of terrorists try to send. Another issue is timing. Just a few weeks after the Discovery Channel hostage taking and that whacko’s declared Manafesto. Please don’t try to excuse by ignoring context. Context is everything in this situation as it is in most.
[That wasn’t me. I was just quoting it. ~ Evan]
The idea of simply murdering their enemies to get them out of the way comes easily to many the far left. It’s why so many left-wing revolutions end up creating large piles of bodies and why so many on the left not only turn their head at such atrocities but still idolize murderous thugs like Mao, Fidel Castro, and Che Guevara. It’s so much easier to murder your enemies that convince them to agree with your insane beliefs and plans. Maximilien “The Incorruptible” Robespierre and his Reign of Terror were not an aberration of history but the predictable results of an utopian ideology taken to its logical conclusion. We know this because the same thing happens, again and again.
jeremy of W.A, don’t excuse this with crap about non-existence British cultural superiority. If you mean that the British are further along a path of degeneracy, then you might be correct.
Unlike the fantasies of Monty Python, the victims of this film are representative of every man; some of which do not agree with the eco-fascists. Their punishment for what should be an inalienable right is elimination -it is a statement of the desires of the eco-fascists. In fact, when you take into account the views of people like Finnish environmentalist Pentti Linkola, who want climate change deniers to be “re-educated” in eco-gulags and a vast majority of humans killed, then you realise that this is only half the story.
We shouldn’t back away from calling these people Nazis just because they call us deniers. We don’t intend to enslave and kill the masses. They do. Lets call them out so that they don’t get a chance.
If this film was supposed to be satire, they did a darn good job of satirizing their own.
What I marvel at is why people who have demonstrated such appallingly bad judgment should think they’ve got it all right, and those that don’t agree with them have got it wrong. They are so wrapped up in their own sense of self-righteousness, they clearly act without doing much in the way of deep thinking. These are not the kind of people anybody should heed.
It isn’t the first time gruesome images and ideas have been used to promote the cause. It is however the worst of the lot. Perhaps this will be the end of the escalating level of overt threats made toward those of us who don’t care to join the cult of AGW.
Of course my first two MP references were from The meaning of Life just to be clear. Can’t make a context argument then screw up my references 😉 Also laughed hysterically at Life of Brian when they were on the cross singing. So my black humour rep is fully intact thank you very much mr evanmjones.
[REPLY – The italics were quotes from jeremy of W.A.. Go back and look underneath the italics and you will see my reactions to the quotes. ~ Evan]
I am simply stunned. Speechless really. It is simply despicable and vial.
Having poured out my anger about this vile video elsewhere, I am still aghast that one major point of this video has escaped attention.
That is the use of the ‘red button’ to blow children and adults up.
Leaving aside the aspects of green propaganda, ‘humour’, ‘Brits find it vaguely funny’ etc – why is it that nobody is disturbed by the obvious connection between this video and the suicide bombers in this world, who also just press a button to kill themselves and all innocent bystanders?
Have we become so desensitized to violence that we don’t even notice how the makers of this video even make fun, apparently, of suicide bombings?
I am and remain appalled and [self-snipped] angry.
Another telling point about this “film” is the number of people they represent as not going along with the consensus. To them in their self imposed bubble they think that those who do not agree with them are a very small minority. The fact that they thought they had to make this “film” I think proves otherwise.
@P Gosselin
Not a peep about the video/campaign in norwegian media either. No surprise since this country is run by these people and media subsided by these very same people.
I’ve heard said:
Curtis is not a cutting edge writer. He is old. By comparison, shows like Psychoville leave you feeling that the oddball characters are endearing.
If this film was supposed to help convince people, it failed. So what’s the point?
Copy of letter sent to:
———————————————————-
Kazuo Inamori, Founder & Chairman Emeritus
Makoto Kawamura, Chairman
Tetsuo Kuba, President
Kyocera Group
Honorable Founder Inamori, Chairman Kawamura & President Kuba
Thank you for your foundation of “Living Together” built on you ethical perspective “What is the right thing to do as a human being?” and for your effort to “build trust relationships with all stakeholders”. This affirms Jesus’ teaching: “Do unto others as you would have them do to you.”
However, your company is supporting the 10:10 UK group at 1010global.org. Though claiming to act for the environment, 10:10 UK is destroying our foundational Rule of Law. By their video “No Pressure”, they promote teachers violently murdering children who do not agree with their advocacy.
Please repudiate 10:10’s teaching children to murder.
Please remove your support from 10:10 UK.
Yours sincerely
Dr. David L. Hagen
—————————————————
See Kyocera’s Top Management Message
Please express your opinion to Kyocera at CSR Activities (Society and Environment)
———————————–
Please express you opinion to Naomi Climer, chair of Sony’s sustainability leadership group, regarding Sony’s support of 10:10 UK.
Yotaro Kobayashi, Chairman of the Board
Sir. Howard Stringer, Sony Corporation Chairman, CEO
howard.stringer@jp.sony.com
Naomi Climer, Vice President, Sony Europe
c/o Corporate Social Responsibility Department
Sony Corporation
See Sony’s environmental commitment.
“Robert of Ottawa says:
October 2, 2010 at 7:26 am”
Easy fix. Don’t buy their merchandise!
Thinking on this and reading the recent comments, yes it does fit, they are Eco-nazis. Plain and simple and we should, as others have suggested, name them for what they are.
“mike roddy says:
Sorry for the typo. “Died” is correct. As in deaths from historic heat waves in Russia, France, and India.”
Really, really, REALLY, lame! Forget the RECORD deaths from cold in central Europe which OUTSTRIP the hot deaths. Go, please do, go check it, google it if you will. Here in Australia, we’ve had our coldest September in 16 years, but I guess this is just weather. I wonder how cold the NH winter will be this year. Well, by all accounts, it’s shaping up to be as cold or colder than last year (30-40 cold records set. Did anyone say 1970’s coming iceage?).
Monty Python was a comedy show, showing a wide range of comedy skits, purely for the purpose of amusement. This 10:10 video is part of a political campaign setting out to wilfully dehumanise their political opponents. I would suggest that this is a very large and crucial distinction.
This video is not only aimed at children, but at the sub-conscious of the moderate believer. This is aimed at desensitising them to the idea of killing non-believers.
BTW, I am British, I love Monty Python, Blackadder, not the nine o clock news, even two pints of lager and a packet of crisps.
Whatever their reasons it is sick. They have trouble dealing with adults who want proof so they attack our children and grandchildren and if they can brainwash them they have it made for the next generation.
This is not science or education its abuse by a political agenda and worse its abuse of children by attempting to sell them on a fraud and by promoting the idea that murdered and death for anyone who does not agree is OK. It is disgusting and should be prosecuted. All the wondering about their reasons does not matter when a child is being used in such a fashion. And selling it with humor does not make it acceptable.
Make sure that these companies, like Microsoft, O2, Sony, etc learn of our indignation and disgust at the video and suggest to them that it tars them with the same brush.
Time to fight back!
Some have suggested certain Skeptics (such as myself) are as bad as this 10-10 crowd, for saying “hateful” things such as, “There should be Nuremberg Trials for Alarmists.”
I think James Delingpole concluded a recent editorial with a statement like this, though he may have had second thoughts and edited the statement out, as I now can’t find it.
I would like to point out the Nuremberg Trials were real trials, involving real witnesses and real evidence.
My emphasis is on the word “real,” as in “truth.”
On the other hand, over the past few years we have seen many signs that the work of the likes of Hansen and Mann was based on unreal witnesses and unreal evidence.
My emphasis is on the word “unreal,” as is fraud, falsehood, fake, forgery and f—— fudging.
I feel these people should be hauled forward, and demanded to produce the data they hide. If people object to the phrase “Nuremburg Trials” we can simply use the phrase, “Congressional Hearings.”
The harm they have done is huge. Not only have billions been wasted on dealing with a problem which may well be a total fraud, but a generation of children have been needlessly frightened and misdirected.
The most alarming misdirection of all is contained in the sentence, “The science is settled.”
Why is this alarming? Well, it suggests that a sort of “Nuremberg Trail” has already been held, and a verdict has already been reached. Therefore all that is left to do is to execute the condemned, by pushing a little red button.
I am personally feel threatened, for more often than not, in my life, I have been in the minority, whether it be in childhood classrooms, or work places, or on sporting teams. I’m the guy who gets exploded in the 10-10 film.
Fortunately, in real life, I dealt with a majority who, though often annoyed by my objections, often gave me a fair hearing.
Sometimes I realized I was mistaken, and dropped my minority views.
However other times, and these are the times I most like to remember, I was able to get a truth across to the majority. I got to see annoyed expressions turn into looks of enlightenment, as everyone got what I was trying to say, and realized it was a so-called “stroke of genius.”
I think if most of us look back on brain-storming sessions, when a group of people sat about attempting to answer a tough question, we can recall occasions when the brilliant answer came like a shaft of light, from the last person you expected.
However this 10-10 film advocate exploding the very people who may hold the answers we most desperately need. Inadvertently it explains why dictatorships tend to self-destruct. It is because they kill off their most brilliant thinkers.
We need to object to the mind-set displayed by this 10-10 firm with all our strength and heart and soul.
“DirkH says:
October 2, 2010 at 7:42 am
Translation: Enough talk, let’s begin. The UK leads with example: 80,000 sign ups by individual househols as well as by companies like Microsoft, O2, Sony and many more.”
Simple. Boycot their products. Buyer power has so much…persuasive clout!
Don’t need windows at home, Linux is available along with PLENTY of apps.
O2? Virgin, Telecom etc etc….?
Sony? Panasonic, Samsung, Pinoeer etc etc?
Purchasing choice has power.
The Orwellian undertones are the most disgusting part of this video – thanks to previous posters for not only pointing this out but also marshalling the appropriate passage in 1984. I can see David “throw the infidels in jail” Suzuki nodding his head in approval at this hate propaganda.
The satire defense only belies a complete ignorance of the concept of satire (see any irony here?) and is yet another desperate attempt to win an argument.
Not many people have commented on the exploitation of the children in the film. The “how it was made” clip clearly shows that they’re just having fun and are too young to make make the necessary moral judgment. What is most chilling, though, is the lad at the end who says with a self-satisfied expression, it’s for a “good cause.” He’s well on the way to being a politician or bureaucrat who will make decisions furthering his own agenda without giving a thought to human consequences.
Franny Armstrong is probably the most inept self absorbed propagandist in the entire AGW movement. Her film “The Age Of Stupid” was panned as over emotional drivel by film critics. One critic suggested the film title aptly described Armstrongs level of cognitive development.
Here’s a classic shock add, with the mother of all explosions.
Jeremy of WA:
I love Monty Python. As a Yank, I understand that there are fundamental differences in humor, and sometimes am shaking my head in wonder over Pythonesque endeavors that leave me saying “Boy, those Brits!”
But they are honestly funny.
One of the things that Python violence had going for it was the LACK of production value. “cherchez la vache!”, and a stiff-legged cow dummy flies over the castle wall. The man behind the bush getting blown up? A floppy dummy flying about, with distinct cuts in the film, and jumps in the resolution.
Often as not, the skit would plunge into one of the brillinatly intricate and strange animation sequences.
The production values at 10:10 were very high.
Recently we “celebrated” the anniversary of 9:11 here in the US, which some groups acknowledged with a “never forget” republishing of a lot of video and photographs of what occurred that day, including the many people who fell or leapt to their deaths from their trapped inferno on the upper floors of the towers–gee, I find that falling polar bear ad, with the whine of airplanes as the soundtrack, from planestupid.whatever sovery very edgy and funny. Really makes me think.
Photos that are not widely available, due to action by survivors and the families of the deceased, showed Manhattan streets littered with unrecognizeable bits of gore from the jumpers. A moving photo I saw was of an employee of the Marriott at ground zero out with an armload of clean linens covering the bits of people before the towers collapsed and buried them, providing dignity to the remnants of human beings that looked quite similar to the fake gore of the 10:10 button pushing.
Had it been truly Pythonesque, with slapstick blood and guts signalling the surreal fantasy of it all, they might be able to get away with “edgy satire”.
But it was vivid enough, and calm enough–“no pressure. Your choice…to die. Now next?”–that it went beyond humor.
I know a woman who had to take her child’s toothbrush and comb to New York to attempt to locate a fragment of them. Not identified to date.
My brother’s younger son was out of contact for three days, because his apartment was one of the buildings damaged, and in the chaos he could not get through to his dad, or vice versa. We thought he was gone for good.
This was not funny, and it can’t be dismissed as a “cultural thing”.
Is it funny to the poor people of the mideast, when something detonates next to a friend or relative?
Have these insular and arrogant clowns ever had to flick a piece of person off of themselves as the teacher does in the film? Have they ever had to try to identify and claim a bit of gore?
Pardon me for epressing these things–I guess it’s a cultural thing.
There is a disease that afflicts all those in positions of authority. They believe themselves to be superior to all those who are not like themselves and/or don’t share their convictions.
For example, let’s consider the USA… Home of freedom, democracy, and the rule of law… Correct?
Medical ethics in the USA
Strict regulations in the US today make clear that it is unethical to experiment on people without their consent, and require special steps for any work with such vulnerable populations as prisoners.
But the archived records of Dr.John Cutler, a government researcher involved in the Tuskegee study, show that from 1932 to 1972 they tracked 600 black men in Alabama who had syphilis without ever offering them treatment. In Tuskegee, scientists knew African-American sharecroppers had become infected with syphilis but withheld treatment to track the progression of the disease.
Not content with that outrage, Cutler went on, with his scientific experiments, and with the connivance of the US Government, to infecting patients in a mental hospital with STDs. US Government officials provided prostitutes to patients in the Guatemalan institute from 1946 to 1948 to to test if the relatively new drug, penicillin, could prevent them catching STDs.
Hundreds of men and women were exposed to syphilis and gonorrhea during the research. If the patients failed to contract the illnesses they were deliberately inoculated. In Guatemala, prisoners, soldiers, and inmates in mental asylums were willfully infected, sometimes by using prostitutes provided by the scientists or sometimes by pouring the germs onto skin abrasions the researchers had caused.
What we see in this video is an expression of the same “superior” psychology underlying Cutler’s experiments as those involved in perpetuating the man-made global warming fraud, and its wretched propaganda. The only difference is the identity of the victims. Instead of poor, illiterate, black people, the mentally ill, and Guatemalens, they target so-called “deniers”. By so doing, the mask has slipped, and the true face of the monster is glimpsed.
Just saw the most awesome quip from poster “greenmeat” over at the Guardian thread:
Before you read it, remember that Richard Curtis, who wrote this utter travesty, also wrote and directed ‘Love Actually’ and ‘Four Weddings and a Funeral’:
“Maybe Richard “Bomber” Curtis should have linked the title to his earlier efforts…..
“Four Explosions and an Own Goal” perhaps……………………..
or “Hate Actually”
I particularly like the second one.
PLEASE, I urge you to stop mentioning this – you’re giving them exactly what they want! See:
AndyW says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:05 am
You are demeaning the anti-AGW campaign and our ’cause’. For Cliff’s sake (Brit humour) shut up! Anthony should never have drawn attention to it.
Or try this.
mike roddy says:
October 2, 2010 at 5:59 am
“Many people have did [died?] from global warming, in this very early stage. It will get much worse. That makes the fossil fuel companies, and their useful idiots on the blogs and in the media accessories to murder.”
Ok, lets exorcise this phantom:
http://www.equityhealthj.com/content/4/1/2#IDAVHMFL
There are 56000000, that is 56 million deaths each year. People are not immortal.
In 1990 the leading causes of disease burden were pneumonia, diarrhoeal diseases and perinatal conditions. By 2020, it is predicted that NCDs will account for 80 percent of the global burden of disease, causing seven out of every 10 deaths in developing countries, compared with less than half today[1,2].
NCD are non comunicable diseases:
Non communicable diseases are more and more prevalent in developing countries where they double the burden of infective diseases. If the present trend is maintained, the health systems in low-and middle-income countries will be unable to support the burden of disease. Prominent causes for heart disease, diabetes, cancer and pulmonary diseases can be prevented but urgent (preventive) actions are needed and efficient strategies should deal seriously with risk factors like smoking, alcohol, physical inactivity and western diet.
Can you see global warming there? More drinking? inactivity? western diet?smoking? are these AGW related?
In any case, the number pulled out of the hat, 300.000, is noise in the 56 million deaths. From malaria only there are almost 3.000.000 deaths per year. Have you seen videos blowing up the people who do not believe in DDT?
3×2 says:
October 2, 2010 at 7:17 am
The UK is a lost cause but I have faith that the march of the zombie army will be fought hard in the US. Don’t let us down.
======================
I do think the UK (and Europeans in general) have swallowed the CAGW pills in a much more obedient and uncritical manner than the US, and they seem to be less capable of independent thinking, at least on this matter. The ease with which they can be made to regurgitate pieties like: “We have 4 years to avoid catastrophe” is discouraging. The inevitable devastation of the planet due to our carbon emissions, and the beneficial effects of carbon-controlling scams, seem to have penetrated the core of their brains with the force of self-evident Euclidian axioms. In that sense, they are a lost case. I am not sure what the reasons for this may be. I have heard people theorize that basic education in Europe is much more centered around the notion of students simply repeating what they were told or taught, with no room for personal critical analysis until much later, if any. I don’t know if this is true, but the critical docility of most Europeans on this topic is definitely higher than in the US.
Outside of the first world, of course, the topic of climate change is virtually non-existent in people’s daily concerns.
It didn’t take long for these clowns to start looking like a lonely shag on a rock. Apparently the 10:10:10 event is now “completely unrelated” to 10:10.
http://www.care2.com/causes/global-warming/blog/violent-climate-video/
Cancelled my 15-year long O2 relationship today. Sending a letter to O2 HQ registering my disgust. Suggest others do the same.
I love British humor. I get it. And the message of this video is indeed “conform or die”. Yes, dry, over-the-top, self-mocking, but nonetheless it is a warning to all who will not conform.
By showing basically the same thing four times the “film” makers are following a well defined plot. 1 – shock, 2 – define the enemy, 3 – re-enforce the “message”, 4 – dehumanize the victim. In this case with “humour”. Classic case of desensitizing the masses to a violent method to achieve a goal so they will take part or placidly standby. Where have we seen that before???
“Steve says:
October 2, 2010 at 9:14 am
Cancelled my 15-year long O2 relationship today. Sending a letter to O2 HQ registering my disgust. Suggest others do the same.”
On ya! As we say down under! Consumers, speak out! I have contacted my family back in the UK to do likewise.
BrianMcL says: “What? Behind the rabbit?”
—————
David Gould,
With all due respect, I sure did answer your question. I said, “Based on what you have said, I have no idea about what moral system you adhere to.” So, I am clueless about whether you advocate the murder of children as social policy. That is your own personal issue.
By your own words you support the actions of the10:10 environmentalists concerning the making and showing of the “No Pressure” video. However, you do seem defensive about your support. So, you got to work that out yourself. : ) Many here would sincerely support you if you choose to work through that.
An important opportunity was given to independent thinkers by the 10:10 environmentalist group’s release of the “No Pressure” video. I sincerely thank them for that. This event is as important as the CRU email release. The opportunity they gave us is the clear focus that can easily now occur to muster a lot of independent thinkers to do penetrating intellectual analysis on what groups like 10:10 really stand for compared to the context of the dominate trends in modern civilization. That is what many of the commenter’s with broad perspective are evolving this discussion into. I welcome that. No independent thinker will waste this golden opportunity just as no independent thinker wasted the CRU email release opportunity. Happy days!
My analysis of the 10:10 environmentalists is that they are basically nihilist and therefore completely incompatible with the existence of modern civilization on the most fundamental of levels.
Ahhh, Dave, where did your mention of the homosexual thing come from? My future fiction story example wasn’t about homosexuals. Please explain.
John
“Francisco says:
October 2, 2010 at 9:04 am”
Euopeans have no control over the EU Parliament. It’s like the UN, UNelected. Most Brits want out of the EU, and have done since it was taken there in 1974.
Edwin says on October 2, 2010 at 9:09 am
It is telling that Osama bin Laden has jumped on the environmental bandwagon.
I suspect that they are all that fanatical …
WTF says: October 2, 2010 at 8:10 am
Another telling point about this “film” is the number of people they represent as not going along with the consensus. To them in their self imposed bubble they think that those who do not agree with them are a very small minority. The fact that they thought they had to make this “film” I think proves otherwise.
WTF, I don’t think this film was aimed at the non-conformists; I think it was aimed at the wavering conformist, to keep them in the cult.
I completely agree that this is addressed to children – and maybe others who don’t yet understand the world and can be “re-educated” about basic issues. Kids may simply be scared into obedience by such things. They won’t be sure whether this can happen to them.
Many of us, adults, are trying to boast how courageous we are – and how it is utterly impossible for someone to scare us. But I think it is not quite true – and moreover, it’s surely untrue for many others. The votes may be 1:10 against the movie on YouTube and elsewhere. People are shocked. But be sure that for everyone 1 shocked person who thinks that the greens have lost it, there is at least 1 person elsewhere who will get “the message” that it is really impossible to oppose the carbon regulation movement.
BTW the right lyrics is not “You blow me up, you blow me down” but “You quark me up, you quark me down”, a song “Strong Interaction” by Les Horribles Cernettes (LHC):
http://musiclub.web.cern.ch/MusiClub/bands/cernettes/songs/strong_int.html
MP3 is on that page, too. 😉
“We love death more than life,” as Islam’s jihadi terrorists are wont to put it. Let us term these True believers “Thanatists,” death-eaters rather than nihilists per se. Regardless of professed tenets, be they Leninists, Hitlerites, homicidal mullah-dullahs, they are uniformly Luddite sociopaths opposed to every rational precept of post-Enlightenment industrial/technological civilization. (See Paul Ehrlich, Science Commissar John Holdren of “seething maggots” fame, Princeton’s Peter Singer, latterly Keith Farnish beloved of Briffa, Hansen, Jones, Mann, Trenberth and other Green Gangers of their ilk.)
“Splattergate” gauleiters want you dead, beginning with your sons and daughters, and will stop at nothing to advance their goal. We have been saying this for twenty years; well-meant meliorative responses are fatally naive. Why else do AGW Cultists always assume the balance-of-force is on their side?
The time has come, amigos, to show them otherwise.
This video is not appropriate for children. Anyone who would willfully expose a child to this material is a monster.
For adults, on the other hand, this is an interesting piece of work. Clearly it has elicited strong reaction which, after all, was it’s intention.
With respect to intentions, creativity is interesting. Art is, among other things, the expression of the universal via the particular. Work that does not express an aspect of the universal is not art. The universal (or eternal or Gebsers origin, pick a name) is not wholly contained within our psychological sense of the conscious mind. Much of it resides in the (heuristic) unconscious – think of Jung’s collective unconscious for example. Intentions are conscious, and yet creativity includes unconscious elements, it’s not for nothing that Homer and Milton invoke the Muses. So it is important to realise that a creative output exists independant of its creators intentions. It is an object in and of itself.
So what do we have here “in and of itself”. Clearly this is satire. But who is being satirized? Based on the comments from skeptics and warmists alike that are plain for everyone to see, it is immediately recognizable that the satire is directed at the authoritarian greens themselves.
If we deconstruct this further we see that what is revealed are some of the nastier (from a western perspective, but it must be noted universal), features of a tribal consciousness (this for sure is a heuristic definition – deficient magical conscious structure is better). Anyway, what are these features?
Demonization of the Other
Annihilation of the Individual
Shamanism (i.e. appeal to authority – deficient indicated by use of sorcery)
Whether wholly intentional or not, this video has revealed the dominant consciousness structure of the authoritarian greens. Furthermore, this (ancient) structure is latent in everyone. Thankfully many of us have evolved far enough beyond this that this latency does not manifest itself.
This video does reveal the universal, and ugly as it may be, it is art.
BTW – I really do wonder if the director/writer has put one over on the 10:10 folks, and in their enthusiasm to be close to this celebrity / shaman (combined with the other blind spots indicated above) , they just couldn’t see it.
Mike Haseler says:
October 2, 2010 at 9:23 am
BrianMcL says: “What? Behind the rabbit?”
This will be the Holy Grail rabbit who lived in the cave of Caernbannog?
“Have ye seen the teeth?”
For anyone interested, the ‘cave of Caernbannog’ is a disused copper mine on the southern shores of Loch Tay in Perthshire about half way between Kenmore and Kilin at coordinates: 56°30’49.82″N, 4° 7’38.34″W. The real name of the ‘cave’ is Tomnadashan mine.
I visited this mine when I was about 8 and that’s when my interest in geology started.
@anna v:
October 2, 2010 at 9:02 am
===============
Regarding causes of death and indicators of personal health, you may like the following excerpts from a recent essay by anarcho-physicist Denis Rancourt (slam atoms AND the State), even though some of them may sound a bit over the top.
From “Some Big Lies of Science”
http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/2010/06/some-big-lies-of-science.html
[…]
Life expectancy has increased in First World countries thanks to a historical absence of civil and territorial wars, better and more accessible food, less work and non-work accidents, and better overall living and working conditions.
*The single strongest indicator of personal health within and between countries is economy status, irrespective of access to medical technology and pharmaceuticals.*
It’s worse than that because medicine actually has a negative impact on health. Medical errors (not counting misattributed deaths from correctly administered “treatments”) are the *third leading cause of death* in the US, after heart disease and cancer, and there is a large gap between this conservative underestimate in the number of medical error deaths and the fourth leading cause of death [2]. Since medicine can do little for heart disease and cancer and since medicine has only a small statistical positive impact in the area of trauma interventions, we conclude that public health would increase if all MDs simply disappeared. And think of all the time loss and stress that sick people would save…
One of the most dangerous places in society is the hospital. Medical errors include misdiagnoses, bad prescriptions, prescriptions of medications that should not be combined, unnecessary surgery, unnecessary or badly administered treatments including chemotherapy, radiation treatment, and corrective surgeries.
[…]
The lie extends to the myth that MDs anywhere near understand the human body. And this well guarded lie encourages us to put our faith in doctors, thereby opening the door to a well orchestrated profit bonanza for big pharma.
The first thing that Doctors Without Borders (MSF) volunteers need to do in order to contribute significantly in disaster zones is to “forget their medical training” and get to work on the priority tasks at hand: water, food, shelter, and disease propagation prevention; not vaccinating, or operating, or prescribing medication… Public health comes from safety, stability, social justice, and economic buying power, not MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) units and prescription drugs.
[…]
Wow, the defense of this skit is that Americans don’t have a sense of humor? This is reminiscent of the part in the movie of “White men can’t jump.” Where one fellow (Snipes) is telling another (Harrelson) that white people can’t appreciate Jimi Hendrix. I thought it satirical and humorous, but it turns out, being American, I didn’t have the capacity to understand the humor as well as the lack of ability to appreciate certain style of music.
For those making these lunatic sweeping statements, you’re just exchanging one form of bigotry for another.(We actually read and watch British movies and books, not to the exclusion of Python and the lot.) No problem, we Americans are used to it. We’re just not used to the acceptance of child indoctrination and exploitation like Europeans apparently are. Historically, Europeans have shown to be much more tolerant of that particular form propaganda towards societal manipulation. And while most of the people opining here are much chagrin bring it up, I’m not. The parallels to the Hitler Jugend Bund der deutschen Arbeiterjugend is obvious. The parallels to Nazi propaganda is unmistakable. Again, apparently its a European thing. Here is something uniquely American, “Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue.”—-B Goldwater. I guess our cousins across the pond haven’t got the memo, yet. Anyone offended by this statement? I can make it all go away by saying the word……….”joke!”
(On an aside, ironically, Goldwater was taken aback at some of the applications of his truism.)
Pamela Gray
I am living in Germany were the law allows you to return goods to the provider if not satisfied, I bought a Sony TV 2 weeks ago, this afternoon it went back, I told my reason, I was not amused by the 1010 video and would in future not be interested in Sony’s products, got a full cash refund.
Sigh, mods, my post went to never land, or punted to you guys for moderation.
Look for yourself. This is the concentration camp and crematorium at Ausschwitz. This where people were turned into numbers.
“Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some 4 million people. And that was not done by gas. It was done by ARROGANCE. It was done by DOGMA. It was done by ignorance. When people believe they have ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. Every judgement in science stands at the edge of error, and is personal.”
I used to travel to London everyday. The train I used was blown up.
That was called terrorism. This is called ………..?
There is no cause that justifies this.
Our choice, indeed.
Think.
“John Blake says:
October 2, 2010 at 9:41 am”
What instrument was the sextant based on? What language was “scince” written in before Latin and then English? Who destroyed the “sum total” of human “learning” in Egypt?
I am not biased either way, but I know my history!
I thought this was kind of silly, then I watched the video:
VERY disturbing…
And thanks to Anthony Watts for getting rids of his electric vampires, having an electric car and all else he has done.
————
Robert of Ottawa,
I think you identified something important. It is interesting to consider the “No Pressure” video as being a 10:10 morality play directed at their supporters.
On a humorous note: I can see some of the supporters of 10:10 wondering if the skeptical blogs have a witness protection program, should they try to come over to escape the implication of their own environmental group’s video.
Maybe we could work out a witness protection program. It would be the humanitarian thing to do. End of humorous note.
John
We have the documentary evidence to prove that National Socialists slaughtered some 25 million people because they didn’t fit in with their vision of Utopia.
We also have the documentary evidence to prove that Communists slaughtered some 120 million people who failed to fit into their Utopia.
This ah…”humor” is about slaughtering people who don’t fit into the producer’s vision of Utopia.
At best, this video is stupidly insensitive. At worst, it is a warning similar to that contained Mien Kampf.
Regards,
Steamboat Jack (Jon Jewett’s evil twin)
PS I would suggest reading “The Black Book of Communism” translated from the French and published by the Harvard University Press.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_27?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=the+black+book+of+communism&sprefix=the+black+book+of+communism
I find these to be the most objectionable aspects:
a) Involving children at all in this fight is unfair. They should be taught, loved and nourished, NOT manipulated. Is it OK to blow up children while teaching them history, science etc.?
b) To have the teacher playing the role of a murderous antagonist against her own students is quite over-the-top. A child’s teacher should be trustworthy and primarily concerned about the child’s well-being. In the USA, we tend to put abusive teachers behind bars….I don’t know about Britain however.
c) 10:10 Org’s attempts to mix humor with this rather nasty message is reprehensible. Good troops from US, Canada, UK and other countries are getting blown up by roadside bombs overseas….how would THEY feel to see this?
Of course, 10:10 and its founders could give a flip about them.
I’m very glad that this junk is getting the “thumbs down” reviews that it deserves. Mind you, I love a good, violent flick on occasion, and also enjoy the Brit black-humor very well. However, this violates too many societal and moral codes for me to approve.
Just watch for more….these CAGW folks are obviously just warming up (ooops, sorry about the pun!)
Mike – firstly apologies for misspelling your surname above.
Secondly, Richard Curtis has been a very naughty boy.
You guys might find this amusing. Let’s make them defend their nonsense or shut up.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978566613
I’m open to others extending the pot. No cash need change hands, just offer to cover an additional part of the bet if we lose (which we won’t!).
Jimmy Haigh 9:49am
So was the rabbit in there when you went, Jimmy?
In reading through the comments on the various threads regarding this video the title of an old Steely Dan tune keeps popping into my head. Perhaps some of you are old enough to remember “Pretzel Logic”. The problem with all the various attempts to portray this as some peculiarly British Pythonesque-BlackAdder humor that the rest of us are too unsophisticated to appreciate, other than the fact that there are probably more MP fans in the US than in Britain, is that even as that it is only remotely humorous if the butt of the joke is people who created it. People who, as I commented in a previous thread, have never previously evidenced any talent for or inclination toward self deprecatory humor or self satire. Quite the opposite, in fact. If the intent was meant to lampoon the skeptical community, it would be analogous to a joke of the form “A man walked into a bar…and shot the bartender in the head!” LOL! Quite a number of comments have suggested that Curtis had pulled a subversive fast one on his warmist comrades, but that argument falters on the rocks of 10:10’s nonapology apology statement, where the only thing they can admit to being sorry for is that some of us are too dimwitted to get their joke. So, even if Curtis hornswoggled them into missing the fact that they were actually the butt of their own joke, that means that they all bought into the notion that blowing up children who refused to raise their hand on command from their eco-fascist teacher was really funny.
Personally, having been a “BlackAdder” fan, I find it a little hard to imagine that Curtis actually had anything at all to do with writing the script for this mess. If he really did produce it there is indeed one very valuable message for children in this sorry affair and that is “Just say no to drugs”.
————
Luboš Motl,
I agree that this 10:10 “No Pressure” video targets children.
10:10 made the video for its vaunted 10:10 events leading up and including Oct 10 2010 day.
You can see from the 10:10 website that many children are involved in those events.
I am researching any 10:10 events in my local communities to check the intention of using the video on children. I will voice my concerns to the organizers through local media if I see the need to.
NOTE: in my effort to email the financial sponsors of the 10:10 video, I have included a statement to the effect that “I am deeply concerned that it may be 10:10’s intention to show the video to children in the audiences of the events related to Oct 10 2010.”
John
Jeremy of W.A.
Here is one
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film
Do you people who are still defending this movie realize how you look? Despite that the majority of people who see it are offended you want to still push that the video is okay and we should find it funny like you do. You also imply that there is something wrong with our viewpoint because we don’t find it funny.
Can you just admit to yourselves that most people are offended and stop pushing to try to change people’s mind?? But I suppose to do that would be to admit you are wrong and people who believe in global warming don’t want to do that.
Or, maybe subconsciously you are coercing, like the video does, and you have no intention of stopping.
WTF says:
October 2, 2010 at 8:10 am
Another telling point about this “film” is the number of people they represent as not going along with the consensus. To them in their self imposed bubble they think that those who do not agree with them are a very small minority. The fact that they thought they had to make this “film” I think proves otherwise.
Nice point WTF.
Notice that those in authority seem to be fulfilling their 10% by taking out about 10% of their subordinates. I suppose that’s about par for the sort of authoritarain leadership among the libs — carbon footprints are for the little people.
CRS, Dr.P.H. October 2, 2010 at 10:14 am
“In the USA, we tend to put abusive teachers behind bars….I don’t know about Britain however. ”
No, they do not tolerate abusive teachers in the UK. I’m not so sure they even tolerate teachers. At least, teachers who think for themselves. Nor, for that matter, tolerate, what with all their zero-tolerance “targets” and campaigns.
By the way, I’m from the U.S. , but I read a lot of British and EU blogs. And the one thing that stands out is that they (their governments) are in some kind of overkill mode when it comes to “protecting kids” and, more to the point, persecuting adults for what seems to be the “crime” of BEING adults. Because those silly adults, you see, are not Nanny or one of her advocacy groups!
So this video IS British “humor”. Modern British “humor”, not the kind we all know and grew up seeing in Python, Benny Hill, and the like.
I believe the ancient Greeks had a good epitaph for the CAGW movement.
‘Those whom the Gods choose to destroy they first make mad’
This should mark the passing of the movement from state approved orthodoxy to outcast fringe cult, I can think of no other outcome as more and more people watch the video created by 10.10. Supported by the UK government via taxpayers money, is this the message the UK government wishes to send to the people of the UK who funded this obscenity? Conform or die! Training children to hate those different from the orthodoxy and sending the direct message to them that violent murder is socially acceptable and that dissidents fully deserve to die a violent death for their supposed anti social crimes.
To all British people who work hard to pay the taxes that finance these psychopaths in their warped pseudo national socialist eco jihad this must seem a terrible insult and that it was it is. The one nation that stood alone and then with its commonwealth against the dark ages of supremacist anti science only to find itself infected with the same disease not two thirds of a century later, perhaps the Gods have forsaken and and cursed us to suffer too.
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 2, 2010 at 3:39 am (Edit)
Further to my comments on Satire, Monty Python etc. I forgot to include self-deprecation.
Self deprecation is the art of putting oneself down for the amusement of others. Self satirisation is pretty much the same thing.
This clip is a self satarising piece that uses a ‘cartoon’ image of homicidal greenies blowing up dissidents – in order to attract attention, perhaps even attract a laugh, but overall to put the message across about energy saving.
There’s way to many serious people around these days.
###################
Jeremy, you clearly do not get the basics of rhetoric and genre. Had you been a student of mine when I used to teach this stuff at University, I doubt you would have earned a passing grade. Self- deprecation is not exclusively the putting down of oneself for the amusement of others. Others, are amused by self deprecation, and the point of the amusement is to change the “author/audience” power relationship. When, a powerful person, say Ronald Reagan, uses self deprecation, the imbalance in power is leveled. he is “just like us.” That’s what happens when it works. The great man, levels himself to the common man and speaks on a common footing. This device works when an audience is suspicious of power and authority. Hence Reagan was a great communicator, because he was able to win the regard of people who are generally suspicious of the powerful. The other form of self deprecation is best exemplified by the “sad sack.” This is a figure in literature who wins our approval by being hyperbolically less than us. Think Rodney Dangerfield. We laugh at him and feel better about ourselves. In this regard the audience is elevated. With Reagan, the great man brings himself down to the common level. With Dangerfield, he brings himself below the common level and so the audience is elevated. They are two different distinct modes of self deprecation.
So first off, you dont understand the mechanics of self deprecation. Next, comes the purpose of the leveling. When Reagan brings himself down to the “common” level, he brings himself to a rhetorical stance where he can ask people to “work together” on a common goal. We do not do things for him, we do things with him. we are all in this together. The self deprecator who brings himself BELOW the common level, has other purposes that are purely emotional. “feel sorry for me”, “accept me” “feel better about yourself, because I got it worse” ,”at least we can laugh together”
Entirely different uses of the trope of self deprecation. The effectiveness of the device depends upon the author/audience relationship and the purpose of the speaker.
In this piece, if you cast the greenies as the ones being “deprecated” then that fails as well. You might choose to laugh at them. Other’s chose to be reviled. Right there that bifurcation of response tells you the device does not work. A trope is supposed to work to “channel” or focus the audience response, not bifurcate it. And finally, the responses it generates are not the responses they intended. They did not intend to make you laugh at them and DO NOTHING about climate change. They did not intend for others to be disgusted by them and steeled further in their refusal to do anything about climate change.
A self deprecation that fails as a self deprecation, is not a self deprecation.
Viv Evans says:
October 2, 2010 at 8:09 am
why is it that nobody is disturbed by the obvious connection between this video and the suicide bombers in this world
I am wondering too how the writer of the script and the makers of the video didn’t stop to think how people could associate the imagery with Al Quada suicide bombers. But then again, there are those in the political left who think the leaders of Al Quada are the same as the Founding Fathers. So who knows!?
barbarausa says:
October 2, 2010 at 8:45 am
Often as not, the skit would plunge into one of the brillinatly intricate and strange animation sequences.
Wich where made by the American in Monty Python named Terry Gilliam 🙂
Who also made some extraordinary films like for example Time bandits, The Fischer King, Brazil, 12 monkeys and Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Good to see that some people mention Jacob Bronowski in all of this, its the best antidote in this maddness.
————-
P Gosselin,
Thank you for the wonderful Bronowski clip. It is a penetrating message about science.
I still have my dog eared copy of ‘The Ascent of Man’ that I purchased and read in the 1970’s. What a profoundly inspiring view for all of mankind. It made me stand in wonder of my species’ capacity for rational humanness.
John
jeremy of W.A. says: October 2, 2010 at 3:39 am
Further to my comments on Satire, Monty Python etc. I forgot to include self-deprecation.
Self deprecation is the art of putting oneself down for the amusement of others. Self satirisation is pretty much the same thing.
This clip is a self satarising piece that uses a ‘cartoon’ image of homicidal greenies blowing up dissidents – in order to attract attention, perhaps even attract a laugh, but overall to put the message across about energy saving.
There’s way to many serious people around these days.
=============================================================
Jeremy. You have truly lost the plot now with this piece of drivel.
Doug
I’m wondering where these young environmental activists keep getting money from to build these web sites and buy movie equipment.
A picture from the 10:10 web site:
http://www.1010global.org/sites/default/files/uploads/ckfinder/images/bestival-loves-1010-flash.jpg
After all these years the 60’s are still alive.
On another thread, Barry Woods says on October 2, 2010 at 5:14 am
Speak to your MP. Send emails to the BBC …
Robert says:
October 2, 2010 at 11:12 am
“[…]Wich where made by the American in Monty Python named Terry Gilliam 🙂
Who also made some extraordinary films like for example Time bandits, The Fischer King, Brazil, 12 monkeys and Monty Python and the Holy Grail.”
You mean Jabberwocky, not the Holy Grail.
Let’s think about this… mike roddy states on Oct 2, 7:33 AM – “…As in deaths from historic heat waves in Russia, France, and India.
There’s a lot more to come. Try reading the scienco on the subject. And yes, Anthony Watts and Tom Fuller will share responsibility for these horrors.”
Hmmm we’re not to use the German N-word (I stand by this)… but Mike Roddy can come on here and accuse Anthony of being complicit in genocide. I would suggest a Wall of Shame thread so that comments such as these could be moved OUT of the thread they are dropped in and into somewhere that they can hang as grotesque trophies. This could be done until the posters contact you and either explain or apologize for their behaviour in a way that you are comfortable with.
A Temporary Posting Ban could be put in place until they contacted you, Permanent for repeat offenders. Your /mod msg could just note the reason and a link to the comment on the Wall of Shame instead of a bare Removal. Just some ideas on how to deal with hate-mongering trolls. You’ve done an excellent job, thus far with raising the level of debate among us and for this I thank you and I hope the ideas help. I’m not being one-sided, my suggestions offer a chance to make amends or explain and I offer encouragement to hold us all (regardless of what side of whatever debate) to the same standard.
Sorry if my suggestion seems presumptuous but you’ve made an audience out of us that chafes at our respect for your rules when we see someone come on here and accuse you of being a genocidal madman when you helped teach us so much about putting ourselves above that sort of … crap.
Peace to all.
DirkH says:
October 2, 2010 at 11:19 am
“[…] You mean Jabberwocky, not the Holy Grail.”
Oh, i forgot, he directed the Holy Grail as well, together with Terry Jones. Sorry.
DaveF says:
October 2, 2010 at 10:30 am
Jimmy Haigh 9:49am
So was the rabbit in there when you went, Jimmy?
Fortunately it was sleeping off after a feast of Crusaders and I survived to tell the tale…
Richard Sharpe says:
October 2, 2010 at 11:18 am
“[…]Speak to your MP. Send emails to the BBC …”
Don’t. Search for “Richard Curtis” and you find:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11458726
Amino Acids in Meteorites says: “I am wondering too how the writer of the script and the makers of the video didn’t stop to think how people could associate the imagery with Al Quada suicide bombers. ”
Viv Evans says: “why is it that nobody is disturbed by the obvious connection between this video and the suicide bombers in this world?”
Hi guys,
In a nutshell: because it’s not. Longer answer…
At first, I briefly entertained the notion that they were trying to say that skeptics are commiting their own “suicide” in not accepting their message. But if that were the case, the people would’ve pressed their own buttons. And if it were anything like a suicide bomber message, things would’ve been reversed (a few zealots among skeptics) and they would’ve said “die, deniers!”, or something along that line. But that’s not what it was. It was a few skeptics among a throng of believers, executed for not going along with the group.
It’s not a message at all. This just reeked of being their fantasy. One or two skeptics, the desire to just make them go away… Even their “apology” reflected this, in that they believed only “one or two” people found their otherwise “extremely funny” (their own words) message to be offensive.
So there it is. Desperation, pure and simple.
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 2, 2010 at 3:39 am
There’s no self deprecation in the 10:10 piece. In MP terms, the Black Knight insisting on being able to fight despite loosing limbs to “flesh wounds” is
self deprecation (and typical MP silliness).
In No Pressure, the Red Button blowing up the pusher would be self deprecation. The Red Button blowing up those who won’t bow to pressure is simply a power statement – I’m right, you refuse to follow, I’m disposing of you, I will face no consequences.
Katabasis says:
October 2, 2010 at 5:47 am
I’m already sick to death of seeing people who presume to speak for me as a Brit making specious claims that it is a “cultural thing”.
Thank you Katabasis. I understand Monty Python type humor. I didn’t think this video was like it. And I didn’t think the average Brit thinks something this extreme was funny. You confirmed that to me. Thanks again. 🙂
English Monty Python lover says:
October 2, 2010 at 5:19 am
@ jeremy of W.A “Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)”
So you think this film is satire? Been said already by quite a few people, but perhaps you should consider that satire and irony mostly work because they expose and exaggerate underlying truths.
Hmm, interesting. That would confirm what some commenters are feeling, that this movie was actually a threat, a bullying.
mike roddy says:
October 2, 2010 at 7:33 am
“Died” is correct. As in deaths from historic heat waves in Russia, France, and India.
There’s a lot more to come. Try reading the scienco on the subject.
You drank the Kool Aid man.
There are people dying now because of biofuel programs, not 100 years from now in some global warming “science” fiction. Do you care about that?
anna v says: October 2, 2010 at 9:02 am
Heck, you can go further than that. At this stage of the game, for every person who dies from increased warming, four lives are saved from decreased freezing.
Gore-rrific!
I’m not aware of anyone dying from biofuel programs – you’ve consumed the kool-aide. Have there been some plant accidents I’ve not heard of? Or are you including farm machinery accidents?
The green revolution has spread round the world, and the American farmer no longer feeds the world, he just produces as if he still were.
Remember, leftists always end up killing millions. Lenin/Stalin, Hitler (National SOCIALISTs) Mao, Khmer Rouge.
Here is a similar piece of propaganda, directed at someone you hate. Persuade the children to eliminate the ‘non-conformists’.
http://www.explonential.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/child_suicide_bomber.jpg
.
jeremy of W.A. says:
October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm
‘blah blah’
I think General Mc Auliffe’s response to other agents of coercive authoritarianism , whilst not very British (which I am), is most appropriate to patronising bollocks about senses of humour:
“Nuts”
From Telegraph article …
No remorse, no apology, premeditated and timed to perfection. These folk are more dangerous than at first perceived. Underestimate the deviousness of fanatics at your peril, especially the ones exhibiting classic behavioural idiosyncrasies.
AndyW says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:05 am
Interesting how the number of posts on these blog posts differ between science and entertainment.
A really scientific post = 50 posts
A post on a film – 5000 posts
Shows how much this entire blog just falls into entertainment for the masses and not something doing much good ?
Andy
=============
Most of us (usually) know enough to shut up, when in over our heads.
Anthony is nice enough to put up “entertainment” posts, to let us “masses” join in the conversation. That’s why this site is so successful.
DirkH says:
Oh, i forgot, he directed the Holy Grail as well, together with Terry Jones. Sorry.
^______^
And it makes perfect sense in this thread about a sad piece of propaganda, Mericans, Brits and Monty Python.
MP was always about taking the p**s out of authority, the clowns who made this p**s poor piece of work want to be authority, that’s the difference and therefore it is not funny at all.
Benjamin, I agree that this cannot plausibly be anything but an externalisation of wish-fulfillment fantasy, that interpretation being further supported by Franny Armstrong’s statement that accompanied the release, the “what to do with those people” one in the Guardian.
There’s no discernable satirical content. It’s just an expression of a desire to be rid of dissenters, given extreme form. It’s the kind of thing that Greens would routinely bandy about among themselves in the groupthink, but normally would be filtered out in public interactions. Where they made the mistake was the delusion that they could get away with this idea by portraying it as “edgy”. You can imagine them saying, “what if we blew them up?” “We can’t get away with that can we?” “Sure we can, it’ll be shocking and edgy!”
The Left have been straying further and further into waht they used to despise in the media; comics like Ricky Gervais and Sacha Baron Cohen and the Little Britain pair being openly hateful, but pretending it’s “ironic” (e.g. Cohen’s baiting of stupid foreigners, gays, etc). They appeal to middle class prejudices with this humour- as “hate humour” about race etc once appealed to working class prejudices before it was swept from the MSM- under the pretext that “we are educated and wise and nice and know we are just being ironic so it’s all right for us to do it”. But this time they just stormed straight across the line. It’s the over-confidence born of arrogance.
This is not a joke or satire it is a direct threat. The title alone is a threat of the sort used by bullying management types to get work done to deadline. Yoy know the sort of thing, its late Friday afternoon and he dumps somethingon you that he needs by Monday and says “hey no pressure” which means get it done or else..
The surposed humour is not even original but is taken directly from a hundred Road Runner cartoons.
AndyW’s deep concern for the scientific integrity of WUWT is somewhat analogous to the mainstream media’s heartfelt concern that the Tea Party will harm republican prospects this November.
Sometimes civilisations and cultures take a wrong turn. The Mulsim world was advancing science, invented the medical trial, then plunged into hundreds of years of arrested development. I fear the environmental movement is also taking a wrong turn.
Yes, the environment is crucial. But you don’t solve environemtal problems by coercing people, sorry, reeducating them to dissavow material needs — you solve environmental problems by creating better technologies.
All these sensitive environmentalists wouldn’t even be alive if it wasn’t for the technologies of soap, cotton, antibiotics, and plumbing.
They are promoting the wrong answer to an imagined problem, and trying to set it deeply into culture, education, and the economy. Then they complain that people don’t want to listen.
Normal people are not humourless. They just have common sense.
Maybe SONY, Kyocera, O2, British Gov’t and the other sponsors of 10:10’s video “No Pressure” would like to demonstrate some feeling of remorse? I do not think old Eugenie, Franny, Daniel, Lizzie and the whole 10:10 team will be admitting to any feeling of remorse.
Here is a fantasy scenario where the sponsors get together a second video to show remorse:
: )
OK, coming back down to reality now . . . sigh . . . . the sponsoring companies aren’t going to try to make up for what they have brought forth with the “No Pressure” video.
John
Well – the shock effect of Richard ‘n Franny’s exploding kids extravaganza, aka “Splattergate”, has worn off somewhat now, leaving us all feeling a bit like the survivors in the film – soiled and horrified.
Franny and her little helpers have put up a flip cynical apology on her 10:10 website and hope that we’ll all forget and their big green gravy train will roll on.
Will it though? An unprecedented tide of revulsion has spread across the blogosphere and the mainstream media, as millions of ordinary, decent people have recoiled from this revolting and inhuman propaganda piece.
Many may shrug their shoulders and think “there’s nothing we can do about it” – but there is.
10:10, the organisation that thought up, commissioned and produced this highly professional piece of dirt, receives substantial support from government departments, NGO’s, commercial sponsors and high profile individuals – all of whom rely on the support of the public at large.
Now we’ve all seen radical activist groups demanding boycotts of everything from airlines to Israeli oranges – but they’re usually ineffective since vocal minority groups tend to be small in numbers and weak in purchasing power.
Once you offend the much greater, if less vocal, “silent majority” of ordinary, peaceful, non-activist citizens however – the balance of power shifts dramatically.
Here are a few suggestions which just might make you feel a little better:-
Sony are a major supporter of 10:10, so if you’re planning any consumer electronics purchases, make a rule for a few months “anything but Sony” – and tell the salesman why.
Or email: Sir. Howard Stringer, Sony Corporation Chairman, CEO, howard.stringer@jp.sony.com
O2 are another major supporter in the UK, so – same thing there, so no new O2 mobiles or internet services and drop into their high street store and remind them why.
Email: pressoffice@o2.com
Kyocera are also a major sponsor in the UK so avoid their printers and copiers.
Email: Makoto Kawamura, Chairman,Kyocera https://www3.kyocera.co.jp/form/app/input?region=gl&frmid=csr
Don’t watch any movies, videos or TV progs featuring Richard Curtis or Gillian Anderson anywhere on the credits (you’ve probably seen ’em all anyway and, lets face it, they weren’t that good).
There are more comprehensive lists of associated companies, charities, councils, politicians and schools who have signed up to 10:10 on their UK website and Wikipedia page – have a look and let them know how you feel.
Finally, why don’t we all do what Franny wants and make October 10th a really special carbon day.
Take your car for a really long drive, fire up the gas barbecue and the patio heater and invite the neighbours round, if you’re lucky enough to have a boat – take it out for a blast otherwise just enjoy an extra long hot shower and turn the thermostat up a notch.
Just for Franny – you know you want to!
Go and view Monty Python and the holy Grail. Look up Satire in the dictionary. Then take a course in being British (N.B. work very hard on the Irony / Sarcasm section)
Finally review the video again and posit a new opinion.
I have viewed Monty Python. The biggest difference between this video and a Python sketch is that the Python sketch is both innovative and funny. The 10:10 video is neither. It is one joke repeated three times in them idst of some dreary advertising. The joke isn’t funny the first time
AndyW says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:05 am
Interesting how the number of posts on these blog posts differ between science and entertainment.
A really scientific post = 50 posts
A post on a film – 5000 posts
Shows how much this entire blog just falls into entertainment for the masses and not something doing much good ?
Andy
Now I have a slightly different take on this to the other responses.
Science is about scepticisim which is an unwillingness to accept hypotheses, theorems or even the laws of physics without complete validation to their own satisfaction.
This film is not only dehumanising conditioning, but it is also anti-science as it asserts the murder of people sceptics who have ideas different to the majority. Therefore, it is to be expected that scientists should be offended by the film. It is also likely that non-scientists may not understand the underlying threatening message.
Steve says:
October 2, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I’m not aware of anyone dying from biofuel programs – you’ve consumed the kool-aide.
===============
Growing food in order to burn it as car fuel in the first world decreases food availability and increases food prices everywhere. It takes about 300 kg of corn to produce 65 liters of ethanol (about one tank). That’s a lot of corn, enough to give enough calories to one person for nearly a year. To you, it makes no difference if corn prices double or triple. To a third-world person for whom corn flower is the basis of their nutrition, it may mean life or death. But of course you want to save the planet, and save all those imaginary “climate change” victims from death due to the even more imaginary catastrophic effect of carbon emissions and their imaginary reduction through biofuels.
It’s not even kool-aid you’ve been fed. Kool-aid is harmless. Dedicated climate alarmists survive on massive daily intakes of waste matter. The technical word is coprophagia (which is close enough to crapophagia, now that I think of it.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/2788092/Global-warming-rage-lets-global-hunger-grow.html
I just posted this over at the original Guardian 10:10 thread and in the tips here on WUWT, but thought those here would like to see it. It’s a “hide the decline” moment as it took some digging to find it:
“Maybe I missed where this may have been previously mentioned, but here is the pretty well-buried Guardian follow-up about the Splattergate fallout:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/oct/02/1010-richard-curtis-climate-change
Have at it. Some good stuff in there, including confirmation that this was bound for UK cinemas. Cheers!”
A satirical approach would have resulted in a huge tidal wave on the way and just those who have done something getting lifejackets, or a distribution of suntan lotion/air coolers to believers only. That was the point of Mr Creosote, by your choices you choose your death. This wasn’t. It was “we don’t like you or your views, goodbye” – death of the apostate.
The best counterpoint of how wrong this is so far is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IrtItfWn1E (best with the sound down)
And I fear many others will be using the same clip to support whatever intolerant views they want to support.
Here is an excerpt of a book review of the recent book “Black Mass” by John Gray: Apocalyptic Religion and the Death of Utopia
(pub Allen Lane)
In Thomas Mann’s great, apocalyptic novel Doctor Faustus, there is a character called Chaim Breisacher … In his presentation of this “new world of anti-humanity”, as the narrator describes it, Mann paints a chilling portrait of high German [inter-war] society dancing its way blithely towards the edge of the volcano.
Breisacher is a harbinger of the new barbarism, which is the old barbarism with a modern twist. Although his area of study is the philosophy of culture, his views are “anti-cultural, in so far as he gave out to see in the whole history of culture nothing but a process of decline”.
…As John Gray demonstrates in his brilliant but frightening new book, we live today in a new Age of the Breisachers. Barbarism is rapidly on the rise; if it has not already re-established itself, religion is once again real blood and real sacrifice; and as for what used to be called culture, we find ourselves mournfully re-positing the question Shakespeare first asked in the sonnets: “How, with this rage, shall beauty hold a plea, / Whose action is no stronger than a flower?”
The AGW religion fits well into Gray’s description of modern barbarism – deeply apocalyptic, with an extreme violence-justifying morality. The red-button killings in the 10-10 video remind me of historic accounts of Soviet soldiers during their 1945 conquest of Germany, finding Russian prisoners in labour camps. Enraged that these fellow-countrymen “consented” to work for the hated capitalistic Germans, and with the accusation “why didn’t you join the partisans? (bez davlieniya – no pressure)” they were rounded up and shot dead in significant numbers. Patriotic and political zeal and “moral” outrage led to murderous acts. Extreme political ideology can do the same – as the 10-10 video clearly illustrates.
Steve says: October 2, 2010 at 12:09 pm
“I’m not aware of anyone dying from biofuel programs – you’ve consumed the kool-aide. Have there been some plant accidents I’ve not heard of? Or are you including farm machinery accidents? ”
Not sure who you’re addressing, but I know that one direct result of the biofuel program was a steep rise in corn prices, which dominoed into very steep price rises of tortillas in Mexico. The typical weekly wage forbid a family from buying a single pound, whereas the typical family consumes along the lines of five pounds a week just to get by. The reaction of their president was to fix prices. Mexico hasn’t been the same since. If you don’t think this had anything to do with the escalation of drug cartel and banditos/revolutionary violence, then your head is wilfully in the sand.
“The green revolution has spread round the world, and the American farmer no longer feeds the world, he just produces as if he still were.”
Ah, I see. Narrowing your critique of biofuels to one country. Wonderful…
[mods – a re-posting with italics – otherwise its not clear what’s quotation and what’s my comment – thanks!]
Here is an excerpt of a book review of the recent book “Black Mass” by John Gray: Apocalyptic Religion and the Death of Utopia
(pub Allen Lane)
In Thomas Mann’s great, apocalyptic novel Doctor Faustus, there is a character called Chaim Breisacher … In his presentation of this “new world of anti-humanity”, as the narrator describes it, Mann paints a chilling portrait of high German [inter-war] society dancing its way blithely towards the edge of the volcano.
Breisacher is a harbinger of the new barbarism, which is the old barbarism with a modern twist. Although his area of study is the philosophy of culture, his views are “anti-cultural, in so far as he gave out to see in the whole history of culture nothing but a process of decline”.
…As John Gray demonstrates in his brilliant but frightening new book, we live today in a new Age of the Breisachers. Barbarism is rapidly on the rise; if it has not already re-established itself, religion is once again real blood and real sacrifice; and as for what used to be called culture, we find ourselves mournfully re-positing the question Shakespeare first asked in the sonnets: “How, with this rage, shall beauty hold a plea, / Whose action is no stronger than a flower?”
The AGW religion fits well into Gray’s description of modern barbarism – deeply apocalyptic, with an extreme violence-justifying morality. The red-button killings in the 10-10 video remind me of historic accounts of Soviet soldiers during their 1945 conquest of Germany, finding Russian prisoners in labour camps. Enraged that these fellow-countrymen “consented” to work for the hated capitalistic Germans, and with the accusation “why didn’t you join the partisans? (bez davlieniya – no pressure)” they were rounded up and shot dead in significant numbers. Patriotic and political zeal and “moral” outrage led to murderous acts. Extreme political ideology can do the same – as the 10-10 video clearly illustrates.
I described the gist of the matter to my two sons and daughter in law who are in their 20s. They assumed my outrage and even fear was unjustified.
I then showed them the video and their shock and fear was neither false nor politicised.
What some fail to realise is that few of us trust the State to be fair and reasonable any more. The past 10 years of leftism in the UK and no doubt elsewhere have created a plethora of legal and social traps for the honest well meaning citizen many of which could result in ruin either personal, financial or both just on the basis of bad luck.
This sinister aggressive threatening and generally vile piece of work just ratchets up the pressure even more and it can easily be seen as a precursor of worse to come.
The State has become our enemy despite our limited voting opportunities and there is potentially a nasty slide towards tyranny ahead of us.
It must be reversed, and soon. Unfortunately the privileged insulated ruling elite have done so well that they just do not see it.
So many people, on this and the original post have already said more, and more articulately, anything I could possibly say on my feelings over this film and the type of people who support it.
But what I wanted to point out, as the 10:10 theme seems to be ‘mot du jour’, is how, when one poster pointed out, 10/10/10 could really be something, I can only agree: Back in January, I wrote to the Daily Telegraph, with my tongue only some way into my cheek, that, as we were now in 2010, someone would take note of the fact that in Adams’s book ‘The Hitch-hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy’, the mice came to the conclusion that the answer to ‘the universe and all that’ was 42.
Well, (I’m an anal sort of guy), in binary, 42 is 101010. Further comment from me is superfluous, n’est-ce pas?
Actually, I commissioned 10:10 to do this in the hope of eliciting tendentious comments from humorless twits.
Vide supra, and pass the bon bons.
I think the government should be looking at the contact 10:10 is having with children after producing such a hateful piece of propoganda as this. If it was to be screened in schools, wouldn’t it have to have some certification?
“Franny Armstrong, 10:10 founder, said the shock tactics were justified. We killed five people to make No Pressure a mere blip compared to the 300,000 real people who now die each year from climate change. ”
Is this person really this IGNORANT!?! Stunning. Just imagine if she were in some position of power…
THIS IS CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSE.
THOSE THAT PROPGATE THIS FILTH WILL BE PROSECUTED.
McKibbon, a 350.org guy says:
“Killing people is, literally, the last thing we want. ”
found on
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/298398
These are reassuring words. Good to hear that 350.org does *not* want to kill people.
OTOH, he leaves some wiggle room with respect to amputations.
This video was aimed at children. The video gives to children permission to express the fantasy that those bad children who are “deniers” should be killed. All early teens have such fantasies. The video is viral among early teens. The other segments of the video ask children to extend their hate wishes to adults and glorified adults, athletes. Children are used as a tool to energize a death wish for “deniers.” This video is the natural next step after the Left’s success, in American public education at least, at stigmatizing all critics of anthropogenic global warming as “deniers.” Everyone responsible for this film, including parents of child actors, should turn themselves into the police as child abusers and all should be treated as schizophrenics who have lost all ability to resist the voices that tell them to kill.
Loathsome and wicked are the only words I can think of.
The authors of “no pressure” pretend it’s funny, and we don’t understand the humour.
Did you ask yourself what did the boys understand ?
I don’t remember the exact words, nut a boy said he was glad to be blown up, in order “to save the world”.
This is not funny, this is the way kamikazes think.
Another boy said he understood that it is right to blow people up, if the reason is a good one.
That’s what they understood.
And what else could they understand ?
There’s no fun in those scenes, there’s gore, so much gore, a huge amount of gore all over their dresses and walls. Just gore. No joy, no gaiety, no high spirits, no light-heartedness, no fun at all, just gore, plenty of gore and plenty of horror.
Do you see anything that let us understand that killing people should be wrong ?
Nothing of that kind, and what should those boys understand ?…just what they understood…. that it is right to kill. A good start to become terrorists.
When shall we see the first “deniers” killed by a “nutter” who strangely thought it is right to kill for a good reason ?
“A good reason”… and who decides “this is a good one” ?
The AGW hypothesis is not a good one.
In my opinion.
The problem with inspiring violence is that should you win, the violence must still be fed, or it will feed on you. In the end, violence becomes master, and it can never be sated.
I can only hope that this argumentum ad baculum backfires, and those responsible are utterly stripped of funding. This is not civilized behavior, and is beneath anyone who claims to be civilized. Of course, this is the post-modernist West, so perhaps it cannot be helped.
Genocide is not a Left or. Right thing. The next big one will be brought about by nature.
Anyway, you guys are the ones with all the guns.
Franny Armstrong is quoted in the Guardian today as saying:
“The key question remains: ‘why are we failing to protect ourselves from climate catastrophe?’ ”
My question is: Who will save the planet from the economic meltdown proposed by people such as Armstrong?
According to ActionAid: We did it because evidence shows children are deeply concerned about climate change and because we see the impacts of it in the developing world where a lot of our work is.
But isn’t the developing world the very demographic being targeted – how are these Countries to develop if starved of cheap affordable energy?
Seems ActionAid have their priorites somehow confused – reminds anyone of DDT?
Mister Creosote says: October 2, 2010 at 2:20 pm
“Actually, I commissioned 10:10 to do this in the hope of eliciting tendentious comments from humorless twits.”
Not that I believe you, but assuming you were responsible for this in any way…
Actually, we’re criticizing the fantasies of the sick, psychopathic[snip] in the world. Such as yourself. That said, while I think you are indeed one sick puppy (as your little freakshow illustrated), I defend to the death your right produce and disseminate your trash. Of course, I am but one humble man, and I have better things to do… Gotta have my priorities, ya know? 😉
Oh, and what do you say to all those AGW supporters who also said it was a tasteless peice of garbage? Are they also humorless twits? Or just us skeptics?
It was sick and puerile (and let’s face it – so too was Black Adder much of the time).
However I still rate the British government’s ad about drowning pets etc also aimed at children as just as bad: state sponsored child abuse.
“if the show isn’t going well, let’s send in the clowns”
(Sondheim)
NOW… SEND IN THE POLAR BEARS, quick!!
‘Clockwork Tomato’ is a total failure.
mike roddy says:
October 2, 2010 at 2:59 pm
“Genocide is not a Left or. Right thing. The next big one will be brought about by nature.
Anyway, you guys are the ones with all the guns.”
You’re wrong. I don’t own a gun.
I have scissors.
Where on earth did they get the idea, or how were they inspired to make such a clip? It boggles the mind.
Madame Laframboise asks :
” Would those who found the film “extremely funny” have a similar reaction to a film that depicted gays being blown to bloody pulp by religious fundamentalists?”
It depends on whether the congregation explosively disciplining their pastor found him in bed with a deacon or an altar boy.
For those who somehow believe this was a calculated publicity stunt, please explain the intended message, because any other than “choose to toe the line or die” is still lacking.
Glad to see someone posted the new parody above–tell me, all those who claim those who don’t find the real thing funny are just somehow clueless, is the parody funny?
This copy of an email was posted on Climate Progress indicating that this is how the 10:10 folks were initially promoting the film:
Hello 10:10ers,
Even by my not-entirely-downbeat standards, I really am extremely over-excited to tell you that our Richard Curtis-written mini-movie, “No Pressure”, is premiering right now on the front page of the Guardian website, see pic below. (If it’s off the Guardian by the time you get this message, you can watch at: http://www.1010global.org/no-pressure )
The 4-minute mini-movie stars The X-Files’ Gillian Anderson, together with Spurs players past and present – including Peter Crouch, Ledley King and David Ginola – and features music donated by Radiohead. It’s a fairly simple and to-the-point premise, I’m sure you’ll agree: we celebrate everybody who is actively tackling climate change… by blowing up those are aren’t. So if you’ve ever wondered what the inside of David Ginola looks like, here’s your chance to find out.
I am completely blown away, pun intended, by the sterling efforts from our 40-person professional film crew, who all donated their time and equipment for free. Please, please, please, please forward the info below to as many friends and pretend facebook friends as you possibly can manage without getting sacked from your job, as that’s by far our best chance of going viral and waking a whole load more people up to the climate crisis.
Thanking you all very much. And looking forward to seeing everybody in action next weekend for 10:10:10.
Onwards and upwards,
Franny
Founder of 10:10 and
Director of The Age of Stupid
A copy can also be found here:
http://www.ohnoyoudidntsaythat.com/
If this is for real, stupid (no matter what age) doesn’t even begin to cover it.
I think we should find out who gave such a vivid understanding of what is really going on in these groups of eco-nuts. This says more about the and their thoughts than it does anything else…
So if you won’t go along with the hoax, they want to kill you? How Mao is that.
AndyW says: October 2, 2010 at 6:05 am
Andy, the first thing I did when I started to suspect AGW was the science research. Then I wrote it up, click my name and some. I hold this science right in front of my inner vision, constantly. I apply Scientific Method as to what to do next, constantly. Because I am passionate about restoring integrity to Science. The great issue here is, how can these 10:10 people have become so far removed from the true science? Here we know that the science institutions are in large measure to blame. If you do the science, honestly, as I did, as many here have done, there is no other conclusion, frightening as it may seem – so frightening, it appears, that folk like 10:10 do not even wish to consider the possibility that all the major science institutions are at fault.
Yet that is the inescapable conclusion of doing the science. Teaching oneself. Testing and checking right back to first principles. The GHG effect of CO2, in theory and in practice. The reality of amplification, in theory and in practice. The temperature data issues according to the official keepers and according to Watts and co-workers. The paleo temperature reconstruction issues according to Michael Mann and Steve McIntyre. The claims, based on Mann, of “unprecedented” warming. And on and on. Eventually one knows the truth about all this.
And still these 10:10 folk are acting beyond both science and sanity and humanity. Scientific method is not just about science as conventionally understood. True Science is the servant of love and compassion, albeit it’s mostly focussed on some far more specific issues, because great focus is needed to advance beneficially. Love of Creation and compassion for our human existence. Those who abuse the trust Science has gained, involving little children in the process, are doing great harm, even evil. They may be pitied, but they need to be stopped. The irony is that they say something like this about us. But we know who has done the science.
That is what concerns us. We are sharing our concerns here, to help each other find ways to restore integrity to Science. Behind the words is a powerhouse of thinking and contemplating and reports of action, I suspect there are many others like me, burning the midnight oil in a battle to restore and redeem Climate Science. There is even a great deal of new and good climate science developing in this new discipline of Citizens Science.
Incidentally, your figures are somewhat exaggerated and misleading. Science works by concentration, distillation, focussing… you will find the science posts far more focussed, often with leads to others’ websites that also need careful evaluation, often a slow process. WUWT is the basilica where many own-blog scientists meet to share – as full human beings, because true Science never forgets the fullness of our humanity.
I must be missing something here, or reading more into it than others are. I work at a mine. The mine uses explosives daily to break rock. Pushing the button to set off the blast only works once the explosives are in place. (aside – That eco-fascists would want to kill their opponents doesn’t really surprise me, they would have to get to “sustainable” levels somehow. ) The Big Brotherish aspect that first hit me when I saw this wasn’t that schoolkids and everyone else who disagreed were detonated, it was that it was expected (indeed, the “joke” depends upon) that everyone in the world should have explosives strapped to them, and that they (as benevolent leaders) would have the wherewithal and capability to monitor everyone. 1984 was less intrusive than the system that is modestly proposed.
A modest proposal it is, give them the power over all of our lives and they’ll make that bad things go away. Along with any people that aren’t fully and visibly supportive. No pressure, just love Big Brother.
mike roddy says: October 2, 2010 at 2:59 pm
“Genocide is not a Left or. Right thing. Anyway, you guys are the ones with all the guns.”
Well, if that ain’t a pin-headed jab at empty air… Honestly, where do you [snip] come from? Oh, whatever! Guns have come as close to causing a genocide as rocks, spears, and bows. “No pressure” policies, on the other hand…
Reaction to the video is well over the top – just what the makers of the piece expected. They are taking the mickey out of you and your [snip] responses. Its juvenile, adolescent, call it what you want – but its them and us. I could never see anything funny about Black Adder but my son was completely hooked on it. Likewise, comedians of my parents generation such as Arthur Askey and Tommy Trinder did nothing whatsoever for me when I was young. We all like the comedians we were brought up with and satire is a matter of taste. People raved about Monty Python. My father in law was an avid fan – but I just thought it was silly. Take a breath and move on. It isn’t supposed to be realistic. Its a campaign stunt.
I’m british.
The film is vile.
DirkH says:
October 2, 2010 at 3:29 pm
I have scissors.
Well said, Dirk. Needles, too, no doubt. I have tennis rackets and baseball bats, all acquired in the natural way.
Apology in advance if this has already been posted
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/vickiwoods/8038012/Im-exploding-about-climate-change-actually.html
Steve,
Biofuel programs cause food shortages. So people starve to death.
————
carol clapham,
It is the disparity of seeing a Uber-OTT video and then someone in response saying our concern is OTT that is weird about this situation.
The root issue is what are the fundamental values/thoughts of 10:10 environmentalists who had the video made? And how do their values compare to the dominate trends in modern civilization? Please do your own research. Compare what you find with the 2000+ year wonderful ascent of man. (J. Bronowski, Ascent of Man).
Will you find that you must pick between whether to accept either the world view of the kinds of folks who made the video or of the achievements of modern civilization? That is the question you will need to deal with. Good luck.
John
evanmjones says:
October 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm
AndyW’s deep concern for the scientific integrity of WUWT is somewhat analogous to the mainstream media’s heartfelt concern that the Tea Party will harm republican prospects this November.
lol!
I always liked Samsung more than SONY.
No, for US readers it may look that way but we have swallowed nothing. We are simply left in a situation where we have no (non-violent) means of registering opposition. Oppose carbon scamming all you like there are no “November elections” here in the EU my friend – ever.
“obedient and uncritical .. less capable of independent thinking..”? Even a cursory glance at the history of this part of the world will surely demonstrate that once the lid blows, Europe is a very dangerous place for Emperors and their thieving lackeys.
A prolific local writer (and regular reader of WUWT) pointed out recently that the real problem is that the political classes across Europe have simply lost their fear of the population. Well keep an eye on European news. US readers should understand all too well what eventually happens when people are taxed without representation.
Interesting the dearth of Indian, Pakistani, and Asian, of any nationality, children in that classroom in the opening scene. Not exactly a modern UK classroom. Hmmm… Not enough stage parents in those populations, perhaps? Maybe they’re too busy getting their kids educated in science and math?
You know, in “Mars Attacks” the Martians running around saying, “We’re your friends!” while firing blasters at people was funny (actually that was probably the funniest part of that movie – the Indian Love Song part was funny, too). Good spoof of B-sci-fi movies, and the “Friendly ET” genre.
Similarly, “No Pressure” might have been funny if it was a spoof. As it is, it’s more of a litmus or Rorschach test to distinguish those with an abnormal sense of humor or psychology who find it excusable. Not a test in an ugly political way, but some, small minority of, people just aren’t normal.
Also curious, along with Mike D, about the prewiring. How are those explosives rigged? Magical exploding buttons? Comedy can’t suspend disbelief in any old way. It needs a comedic explanation.
“Genocide is not a Left or. Right thing. The next big one will be brought about by nature.
Anyway, you guys are the ones with all the guns.”
Mike, Mike, Mike, I just can’t think of a polite way to call you an idiot.
“The next big one will be brought about by nature.”
Yeah, well maybe in your mind, Roddy.
This apalling piece of work should be rewarded by the UK Government withdrawing all funding to the 10:10 group and to any other group which supported the 10:10 group, and to many other group affiliated with that group.
Unless the UK government wishes to be accused of wanting to blow up its citizens.
The Guardian should likewise take the same actions.
But first head over to the 10:10 website and have a look under “partners”. All the major fake (>50% UK Gov. funded) “charities” and “campaign groups” are there. Your UK tax money at work.
A couple of clicks (partners of partners and all that) from 10:10 takes you to our old friends at (drown those puppies) “Act on CO2” . All funded by HMG. Anyone seeing a pattern here yet?
Where have people seen something like this already? Ah, right, when Islamistic terrorists were beheading a victim in front of a camcorder.
The 10:10 guys are learning fast … and no prosecutor is going to stop them?
It’s for a noble cause, I see.
Has nobody else noticed the following? Please, anyone here, show evidence if this is true. Because if it is, Curtis is not an idiot but a whistleblower in the same vein as FOIA “A miracle has happened”.
TomFP says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:53 am
No Lucy,
I am pretty sure Tom made that up.
Thee are plenty of one paragraph quotes sprinkled among the various stories, from Mr. Curtis, that completely put the lie to the ridiculous theory that he somehow “put one over” on these evil jerks.
It just isn’t so. I guess you just don’t get his best work for free though.
I am sure 10:10 speaks for everyone with views that differ from the bulk of the folks who visit this site. As long as we speak in generalizations and paint with broad brushes and throw critical thought to the wayside, we are headed in the right direction.
Keep up the good work.
For those few still determined to defend this video, might I make two observations. First, the oft repeated phrase “those who do not learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it” leaves out one important point. When you, in your inability to see the parallels between this video and the precursors to the worst atrocities in history, condemn yourself to repeat it, you condemn the rest of us as well. Accuse us if you will of over reacting, but we know which role you have, consciously or not, selected for us. Having learned the lessons of history, we are not willing to play that role, and there is no amount of objection that is “too much”.
Secondly, again often said, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. The notion that the planet is in danger from climate change has spawned all manner of debate and acrimony. When those with good intentions, out of frustration that they cannot persuade the masses to follow them turn instead to threats and intimidation, they have set both feet firmly on the road to hell, determined that for the good of humanity, the lessons of history must be repeated with new atrocities. By defending this video, you are discarding history’s lessons and following like sheep the road down which the villains of 10:10 are already walking.
I wish also to comment on several mentions recently of “Nuremberg” trials for those skeptical of global warming and for those who make their living in the industries accused of causing it. I find this suggestion as repulsive and ignorant as the 10:10 video itself. Those tried at Nuremberg were accused of ordering innocent people to be slaughtered, or of themselves doing the killing. It is grotesque to suggest that running a company that produces oil which is in turn used for everything from making plastic water bottles to heating greenhouses to transporting food to running irrigation systems to fueling cars and airplanes and farm machinery, is as great a sin as locking a mother and her children in a gas chamber so that the killers are spared the horror of watching them die in each others arms. The suggestion is as repulsive as the 10:10 video, it is a blatant attempt to paint skeptics as Nazis, a tactic almost identical to the use of the word “denialist”, by those who intend to repeat history by paving the road to hell with their “good” intentions.
I saw this before the uproar. I watched until the kids got blown up.
I couldn’t blog it. Not an embeded video. Not a link. Not a word.
This is the most evil disgusting video I have ever seen in my life.
I’m glad (in a way) that WUWT has blogged it so I don’t have to.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5950442.ece
“Rapley, who formerly ran the British Antarctic Survey, said humanity was emitting the equivalent of 50 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.
“We have to cut this by 80%, and population growth is going to make that much harder,” he said.
Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.
Many experts believe that, since Europeans and Americans have such a lopsided impact on the environment, the world would benefit more from reducing their populations than by making cuts in developing countries.”
There is not a brush made that is broad enough to paint this psychotic nightmare-scape.
The radical Muslim parody is actually funny especially because it names the two exploded children Jesus and Mary.
It is analogous to a sceptical version of the 10-10 video designed to be satirical about underlying Greenie attitudes.
If it were a Taliban produced item then it would not be funny because we would know that it represented more directly their underlying hateful intent so we would be angry and fearful.
So the 10-10 video as produced is analogous to the latter and not funny at all.
To those who defend the 10-10 version I ask how they would feel about the radical Muslim version if it had been produced and disseminated by murderous Muslim extremists and not someone spoofing them.
Small point, but I’ll make it:
Many have heard the statement: “Franny Armstrong, 10:10 founder, said the shock tactics were justified. “We ‘killed’ five people to make No Pressure – a mere blip compared to the 300,000 real people who now die each year from climate change.” ”
However it was not five, but seven people, who were “killed” in No Pressure. (2 school children, 3 workers, one athlete, one voice-over.)
Obviously Franny cannot count.
Her arithmatic suggests that her first job involved adding up temperature numbers for Hansen and GISS.
Stephen Wilde at 7:08, there are plenty of documentary radical jihadi videos available on the web, even of decapitations. If little Franny wants to really see a “few amputations” they are available too.
I found the link to the 911 photojournal of a man who was woken by the first impact in NYC on 911 and took his camera into the streets. This is the photo of the unnamed hotel employee covering the remains of human beings. Look closely, anyone of stout heart. If this photo is inappropriate, forgive me.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiro_oshima/127764965/in/set-72057594105816396/
It is part of a fascinating eyewitness photo log, and perhaps may explain some of the “cultural lag” some Yanks have in our humor about the splattering gore in this idiotic self righteous and self-stroking 10:10 oeuvre.
barbarausa says:
October 2, 2010 at 7:20 pm
“there are plenty of documentary radical jihadi videos available on the web, even of decapitations.”
Too true but we don’t expect to see support for them from within our own ranks do we ?
Defenders of the 10-10 video are like our own people supporting jihadist propaganda. Do they not see that ?
Philemon says:
“…Also curious, along with Mike D, about the prewiring. How are those explosives rigged? Magical exploding buttons? Comedy can’t suspend disbelief in any old way. It needs a comedic explanation.”
—————-
Comedy arises , in part, with the juxtaposition of incongruities, but it has to occur quickly enough that rational interpretation doesn’t ruin the moment.
I don’t know how many precedents there are for this type of idiotic video, but the “evil sport ka” campaign foundered with a car’s sun-roof guillotining a cat. ( youtube has that one, too.)
Even if one thought this was funny when one first saw it, surely, one could imagine that the fun wouldn’t hold up for long.
I believe that Simians are the only other members of the animal kingdom that exhibit behaviour that could be called laughter, and they do this as triumphant posturing when, for example, a rival group is vanquished.
It’s not unreasonable to expect an opponent to jeer and gloat, but it doesn’t speak well for their critical faculties when they are so oblivious to how people might react.
It can’t be that they expected to win converts from the other side, and they couldn’t possibly imagine that legions of fence-sitters would be shocked or delighted into a lightbulb-changing frenzy, so, I have to conclude that this whole fiasco was a funny, little, self-absorbed war-dance. Look! There’s that word funny, again.
1) In American schools now, it is illegale to talk about, draw pictures of, or in any way advocate shooting or blowing anyone up.
2)This will be seen by children of school age, and, in fact, the video shows this actually happening AT school, perpratrated BY the teachers and other authority fugures associated with them.
3) It therefore advocates conducting an illegal act, occording to present law.
4) Therefore, the actions to be taken should NOT be condemming it here. That is just wimping out, laying down, and surrendering.
5) The action that should be taken is a bunch of people march into the offices of the people responsible for this (ALL of the people, in ALL their offices). and inform them that they are under citizen arrest, the charges, “incitment to riot” and “making a terrorist threat” (at the very least, probably more charges since this involves children).
Really people, they have in fact committed a crime, visible on utube for millions to see, and we know who the perps are. These people have shown that they are not above using, or twisting, the law, to shut down any business they think “harms the envorenment” (such as a coal fired power plant, or a cattle farm) or suppressing free speech such as even mentioning firarms in any school (can you say “zero tolerance?”). They have in fact invented these laws and policies which should now be used against them as they deserve. Occording to they themselves, what they have done here is AT LEAST two crimes, and probably more. They should not only be charged with these but then sued in civil court as well for endangering children by the parents of those children (which means all parents of all children who have seen the video).
These are the people who have been twisting the law for years to shut down or punish dissent or people or bisinesses they don’t like, they need to be given a taste of their own medicine.
And then we can get around to things like lying to congress, missapropriation of government funds, and don’t for get the Sierra Club for legally harrassing the US Corps of Engineers for years, or even decades, for daring to suggest that the levees around New Orleans should be strengthened, when it was a well know fact what could happen should they not be, they should be not only stuck with the ENTIRE bill for fixing that city, but then arrested for terrorism, endangering public safty, at the very least negligent homicide (many counts), etc.
Really, these are the people who invented “zero tolerance”, its now time to show them what that means.
Or don’t you believe in the law?
By the way, one other thing to think on. If we were to cut back CO2 emissions 80%, putting us back to about 1850 tech in effect, how many people were there around in 1850? Would 1850’s tech be able to support the number of people on earth now? Since it is obvious it will not, what will happen to those people?
This isn’t about some minor policy difference or scientific disagreement, this is about SURVIVAL. Can you say “genocide”? Are you willing to watch your children starving to death?
But don’t worry, you won’t have to, since it will be too dark to see them.
Stephen Wilde at 7:32, I am reminded of the passage in Sophie’s Choice, when the group is at the beach, and Sophie becomes disgusted with the group of young privileged Americans untouched by the war discussing their psychoanalysis, and describes it as “picking at their little scabs”.
The “creative class” that produced this dreck has no more clue than a bird what they are advocating–not really.
They are picking and stroking their self-created scabs, because they have been so fortunate in life as to not know what it really means to do what they seem to espouse.
Who but a coddled clot of unreality could waste so much time being afraid of life itself, with all of its choices and risks? Who but his majesty the babies could think that pressing a button and EXPLODING those who disagree with the imperial “we” is any solution?
How else to explain the scions of postwar wealth having the temerity to do such as call anyone they dislike a Nazi, and then sneeringly and in full superiority mode backtrack by answering any objection with a superior dismissal of a lack of “humor”?
It is the out of any spoiled child called on the carpet for spoiled excess, and cannot be conscioned any more than same. Just witness the non-apology on the website.
“Sorry if it bothered some stupid people.”
Yes, hit it hard, hit it relentlessly.
These are the essence of the banality of evil.
Stephen Wilde says
“Defenders of the 10-10 video are like our own people supporting jihadist propaganda. Do they not see that ?”
Darn good point as are all the latest posts here.
I suspect and this is only my opinion, that to some extent, worrying over the climate, and worrying over the jihad are somehow mutually exclusive positions, but I am
not about to try to explain why.
Jimash;
I suspect and this is only my opinion, that to some extent, worrying over the climate, and worrying over the jihad are somehow mutually exclusive positions, but I am
not about to try to explain why.>>
In Osama bin Laden’s vision of the future, he stands before a class of young students and begins the lesson with a prayer. Upon noticing that some of the students are less than enthusiastic about being asked to participate, he produces a small box with a red button…
10:10 and Osama bin Laden are not so much mutually exclusive as they are competitors with near identical products. Only the faith is different, although it could be said that one is more advanced than the other in terms of implementation.
So they made a child porn snuff film. I wonder if a jury trial would convict?
.
The Left knows no limits, has no decency. Time to vote them out of office and the centralized government infrastructure that enables all this behavior. Return the power of domestic governance to communities of no more than 300,000, allow the British subject / U.S. citizen and their enterprise to vote with their feet as well as their ballot and competition for productive people between communities will settle once and for all this nonsense.
.
A large central government has become a liability and a clear and present danger to freedom. It’s past the time to turn our back on them and put our trust in our neighbors and friends.
They are mutually exclusive in logic, but apparently not in method anymore for some.
Now this is satire.
Satire because it mocks the 10:10 video.
Satire because it mocks the 9/11 and 7/7 bombers (real events).
Satire because you know that the makers of the 10:10 video will have apoplexy and shout wildly: “you cannot make a film like that, it is bigoted, intolerant, illiberal, and it unfairly stigmatises an entire community.” Thus the very makers of the video will be horrified by such a film – a film of their own creation.
Absolutely brilliant.
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
.
When tracing the structure of organizations such as 10:10, their footprint in cyberspace can be of some value in ferreting out the various affiliations of the groups involved and their current and future plans. The 10:10 website is at http://www.1010global.org, by examining the hosting web server we learn the 10:10 has plans for future fund raising through websites such as http://www.1010trust.org. I would expect nothing less from a want-to-be new age religion; what good is a religion without the obligatory collection basket. The Domain registrant is Franny Armstrong of Spanner Films at http://www.Spannerfilms.net . Franny Armstrong also appears to be the person behind two web servers and the hosted websites list below. Here is the Wikipedia page on Franny Armstrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franny_Armstrong which failes to mention that Franny finds it goodsport to blowup anyone who disagries with her. Browse the websites listed below and enjoy some of Franny’s cretive videography. Leni Riefenstahl could only admire Franny Armstrong talents.
Michael Ronayne
Nutley, New Jersey
Note: All of the information provided below is from public records which are available on the Internet.
Websites hosted at ec2-79-125-120-121.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com (79.125.120.121):
http://www.1010global.org
http://www.1010trust.com
http://www.1010trust.org
http://www.1010charitabletrust.org
Here is the WhoIs Registartion information for the Domain 1010global.org which lists Franny Armstrong of Spanner Films as the Domain owner.
Registrant Name:franny armstrong
Registrant Organization:Spanner Films
Registrant Street1:9 Delancey Street
Registrant Street2:Camden
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:London
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:NW17NL
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.01654702413
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:franny@spannerfilms.net
Here is where the Spanner Files website is hosted and associated Domains.
Websites hosted at aos.dh.bytemark.co.uk (89.16.178.150):
http://www.Spannerfilms.net
http://www.Ageofstupid.com
http://www.Ageofstupid.net
http://www.Frannyarmstrong.com
http://www.Frannyarmstrong.net
http://www.Frannyarmstrong.org
http://www.Goodscreenings.org
http://www.Indiescreenings.net
http://www.Notstupid.org
I’ve never posted here before, but I have new sympathy for you guys now that I have seen this video. In fact, I have been told I am one of you for trying to discuss this with my (now) former friends on the left. I have been red-buttoned at 2 sites where I have been a regular contributor as I tried to raise awareness of this clueless action so that people would know what had transpired. I did not “godwin” or swear or call names. I just tried to warn people about this controversy, and to express my horror.
At one site on the left I saw the incredible: a person who did not know the backstory has posted this video and claimed:
Oy. Teh irony. I’ve also seen multiple claims that this was planted by a rat, sabotage, and various other conspiracies. This is off the rails. I have seen the underbelly. And it’s rotten.
> London Underground, July 7th, 2007 …… 50 dead. Countless more scarred for life. What was the bloody difference between that and the this 10:10 video ?
7/7 actually happened.
The Nazi party did a very similar thing in the 30’s. It happened again in Rwanda a media campaign saying and showing that they aren’t real people because the’re different than us, when the distrust/hate is there you strike.
I know I’m simplifying it a bit but the idea has been used by many.
How people die from biofuel programs. Biofuel programs are a part of global warming hysteria.
>>THOSE THAT PROPGATE THIS FILTH WILL BE PROSECUTED.
They will only be prosecuted if you go to the police and make a complaint. (Under the hate crimes offences, and be sure to add that a high-court judge has already decreed that AGW is a belief system or religion.)
Have you made an official complaint?
I have.
http://www.met.police.uk/csu/hatecrime.htm
You must have seen the video while in London, to use the online form – otherwise you must go to your local police station..
.
Benjamin P.,
Even the people that made the video have apologized. They aren’t trying to tell people they are wrong for not thinking it’s funny. They have acknowledged people have been offended.
Even Joe Romm doesn’t like the video.
You somehow think that only the people who are regulars at this web site are offended by the video. You know, that speaks something about you—can you at least begin to see that?
To call the video free speech is an unintelligent argument the same that used to defend things like 2Live Crew, or urinating on photos of Mother Teresa, or burning the American flag. Some of the same people that claim these things are fine because they are “free speech” have no problem with taking down Nativity Scenes.
Some “free speech” is more equal than others.
Lucy Skywalker says:
October 2, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Has nobody else noticed the following?
I hadn’t noticed it. But it may be true.
davidmhoffer says:
October 2, 2010 at 8:42 pm
“10:10 and Osama bin Laden are not so much mutually exclusive as they are competitors with near identical products. Only the faith is different, although it could be said that one is more advanced than the other in terms of implementation.”
Probably no surprise, but I am buying that.
He has to vy with Ahmadinejad too.
It’s a cutthroat ( ahem) business.
Caleb@7:16pm
I made this correction on another thread, but there were actually 8 people killed in the movie: 2 children, 4 office workers (one can be seen lowering his hand but did not get a close-up), 1 soccer player and 1 Scully. So Fanny’s was only slightly off in her estimate given as fact. Someone else responded:
“No – the ‘Five’ figure is the correct number, reached after applying a correction to the body count to bring it into line with what it had been predicted to be by our video model. No, you cannot have access to any of the maths which we have used to derive our corrections….”
Amino@11:52am
As for the 300,000 figure, as AAM pointed out to Rowdy Roddy people are dying now because of biofuels. About 6 MILLION children die annually from hunger! So Roddy if you see this, this isn’t science but news based on reality, something you have apparently been avoiding. Perhaps you can “try reading” and then attempt to [snip] and that [snip] tattoo on your upper lip:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L14909771.htm
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html
http://www.poverty.com/
Check out AAM’s video as well. You and your AGW ilk could give a crap about people, as was proven in this unbelievably out-of-touch film, so take your “red” button and [snip]
WTF is this load of happy horse s@it all about? I would unload a bazuka in those eco-terrists asses before I let them brain wash me with their happy horse s@it. I just thank God every day for the 3 year extended solar minimum that lets them know who is really in charge.
I did not find anything funny in this video ,their sense of humor is no laughing mater.I think that the predictions made of climate disaster are just as unreal as this video.The point of this video is to frighten the population into believing that something awful is going to happen to the earth soon if we don’t change ,nothing is going to happen.It is very much like the communist scare in the 20th centuary but opposite in effect.
This post is purely satirical:
I wonder what would happen if someone produced an anti spoof video targeting AGW/CC believing diehard ‘extremist’ greenies to help reduce their CO2 footprint?
Could be title:
Hold your breath for 10 minutes on 10/10/2010.
That should go a long way in help reducing all that ‘dangerous’ GHG hotair they spout. 🙂
Greeniegate ?
Well, in metaphysical theories, crowds and groups can sense coming disasters even though they may interpret them wrongly. One disaster that waited for us was the economic melt down that happened a year or so ago, and may continue full force, according to some prophets. It is possible we are at the beginning of the fall of the western civilization, as we knew it, and these clowns are just misinterpreting the message. Maybe that is what AGW is all about, “since western civilization is doomed lets give it a shove to go faster into economic melt down”.
Now if you’d rather have conspiracies, I have one to sell.
OMG says:
October 2, 2010 at 9:18 pm
In fact, I have been told I am one of you for trying to discuss this with my (now) former friends on the left. I have been red-buttoned at 2 sites where I have been a regular contributor as I tried to raise awareness of this clueless action
Welcome to the desert of The Real.
I think the excuses and deflection are the saddest part of this whole fiasco. When someone can’t let something bad go as just a bad idea, it does in fact mean that they don’t really think it’s a bad idea. What does it say about someone who can front bad weather station data, misleading statistics, cherry-picked data and deliberate conflations… but they can’t bring themselves to disown something like this?
Just… wow.
mike roddy said on October 2, 2010 at 2:59 pm:
*sniff* *sniff*
Smells like troll.
The term genocide applies to one group of a species attempting to eradicate another group of the same species. Will Earth’s nature soon be trying to eradicate another planet’s nature?
Perhaps you think you are on a site for governmental authorities for what may recently be considered the British Empire. From New Zealand to Australia to Canada to the UK, the efforts to disarm the general populace have been very successful. Except for very tiny percentages, their governments have all the guns. When the time comes for those who oppose the encroaching totalitarian regimes to be rounded up as Enemies of the Earth and sent off for Green Remedial Education in Advanced Sustainability Efforts (i.e. to be GREASEd), they will be unable to fight back. Nor will they be able to plaintively look to the US and her citizens for assistance. The Green Reich (aka Green Workers Party) long ago co-opted our educational systems, our news media, even the entertainment industry. Quite a war would have to be fought and won internally before any Americans could help, providing afterwards they were in any condition to help those outside the US at all.
Those with practically all the guns are the governments, in the countries where the Green Reich is nearly ready to take control, or already has done so. The Masters of the Green don’t want to sully their delicate lily-white hands with filthy vulgar guns and prefer to control the governments that will handle the guns. Although they do seem to find shiny sterile red buttons to be particularly appealing…
Jimmy Haigh Oct 2 11:28:
My Hero!!!!
Much of what concerns was summarised to me by a late, brief comment on the Graun article (which I did take to task):
You lot need to lighten up
(I think there was something further irony free about ‘we british’, rather ignoring near all appalled commenters, by a factor of about 100:1, were indeed from our fair isles)
In that short sentence, this person set up a superior, false majority tribal grouping (in their own minds at least), with a god-given right to instruct others how to think and behave.
As I replied, in context of this story… ‘Or… what?
Now wishing I’d added the sweet further invitation ‘…no pressure’ to that.
I see this term becoming rather potent in this regard, if used effectively.
As an ex-Civ Eng/ad man, I am now a passionate, if pragmatic enviro-campaigner, concerned more with proactive DOING and reward-based, end-benefit-driven inspiration by high enviROI example over £/$-squandering, predominantly negative guilt, shame, threat, fear, nag or nanny ‘talk’ (from endless worldwide events to vast ‘awareness’ campaigns) and initiatives that simply don’t add up unless you are a lobby-pleasing, subsidy-addicted, box-ticking pol, quangocrat and their high paid mates in the often well-funded NGO/charity/activism sector. That these guys get bonusses based on using public money to run ads designed to drive up hits that drive up their bonusses offends me as clear examples of conflict of interest if not fraud.
But I do dip in to the odd chat to try and haul focus back to all the good that is DONE, and can be achieved by DOING, so long as it is well-assessed and targetted. For ages I have been dismayed that near all in green has been hijacked by usually self-elected, single issue messengers clearly utterly incapable of appreciating the complexities in doing the overall message (and hence topic) justice.
And they seem to be spiraling out of control, rationalising their abject professional failures to communicate and/or persuade as a) the failure of the public to grasp their ‘wisdom’ and, worse, b) trying to blame them for it. I know how that would have gone done in the commercial world with client and audience alike.
So as much as I am concerned about our environmental futures, I am now as concerned with the mindsets being embraced by some, with clear abuses of free speech and democracy in pursuit of narrow, dogmatic agendas that brook no counters.
And so, when next any from this extreme element get on high horses and presume to lecture broadcast only or dictate, I will be simply saying, in future… ‘Or else what?… No pressure’.
A rather nifty edited version of the film has been put up at b3ta (UK animator site, a bit like 4chan but safe for work viewing):
http://www.b3ta.com/links/how_to_solve_the_problem_of_climate_change
A bit of a Godwin at the end, but very well executed. Oops perhaps that is the wrong word to use…
I think someone pulled a classic fifth column job on the warmest in the 10:10 org. The most dangerous people in the game now are people that have been fanatical warmists and have then discovered the magnitude of the lie. They are angry, they are militant activists, and no one knows they have switched sides. They can push through this kind of thing sounding all enthusiastic and arthoritative while their really setting the other warmists up for a huge fall.
Remember this was done with government funds after the election. The conservatives are sceptics but the liberal democrats are warmists and their in coalition. The coalition can’t oppose global warming out right that would shatter the coalition. So someone’s let this ‘no Pressure’ campaign go all the way through to its embarrassing conclusion.
Who ever pulled this off is a hero. A master double agent in the war of ideas. There may come a day when that person steps up and can proudly say they pulled a fast on on the fanatics.
The corporate sponsors seem to have disappeared from the 10:10 website.
Just put a complaint in to the BBC News site about them burying the 10:10 news item. It didn’t even make it to the Science and Environment pages! So unless you do an historical search, it’s like it never happened. Odd as it’s been really quiet on their Science and Environmental pages. No bias there of course! Bet I get a stock answer back.
@Jan
That email deserves MUCH wider circulation:
“It’s a fairly simple and to-the-point premise, I’m sure you’ll agree: we celebrate everybody who is actively tackling climate change… by blowing up those are aren’t.”
I must be a very bad Brit. My irony/sarcasm circuits appear to be malfunctioning.
Even reading that sentence “in context”, I find no other way to interpret this than as a hostile challenge.
My comment disappeared, but I meant to say the burden of proof lies with those claiming OBL is dead. We just won’t know unless and until they find him, dead or alive.
It is funny how the CAGW/CC/CD Belief is useful for all kinds, even terrorists. Usually the motive is financial, as the piggies line up at the trough, waiting for the shakedown of the West, but the motive of harming the West financially will do as well.
Darrell at 9:21
I remember 7/7/07.
I also remember feeling a jolt when looking at the date.
On the morning of 911, for a brief while no one knew what was happening.
A “terrible accident in New York”.
Then, no.
Then DC, where I live.
Then Pennsylvania.
Then eerie quiet skies for days, except for the occasional fighter jet.
One of the smaller sinking feelings during that horrible morning was the association of the date, which is our emergency phone number.
Many people in New York were on the phone with 911 as the second plane hit.
Choosing the date was part of the whole sickness, to remind us forever.
9-11.
7/7/07.
I hope someone keeps an eye on the freaks on 10:10:10.
Just an unquiet thought.
Lucy Skywalker says:
October 2, 2010 at 3:59 pm
‘….. Science never forgets the fullness of our humanity.’
Bravo!
Oh, this is great:
http://www.greenwisebusiness.co.uk/news/editors-view-green-message-comes-under-pressure-1836.aspx
lo and behold:
“There has been a deliberate move by many who are trying to get action on climate change to move away from the doom and gloom that is so often associated with the issue, but this episode shows just how difficult it is to get the green message right – even when you have some of the best talent behind it. ”
Yeah, doom and gloom doesn’t sell, so let’s try blowing up dissenters, that’s much better. Ok ok, i’m convinced now, CO2 is killing the planet, where do i register to get my green shirt?
@Foxgoose
October 2, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Foxgoose, you gave an email address for Howard Stringer a way above this post. This, I’m afraid, doesn’t work. The current address for him, as I’ve just discovered and sent my mail to (without it bouncing back) , is:
howard_stringer@sonyusa.com
Oh the versions are coming thick & fast now!
One for the Jihadists?
Well, this came from Britain, and as usual at least one Brit had an answer.
The V for Vendetta clip…
“Genocide is not a Left or. Right thing.”
Perhaps not, but you might want to ask yourself why the supposedly compassionate, caring, and utopian left keeps revisiting murder and genocide, not only in their fantasies but in practice, again and again, and why the supposedly compassionate, caring, and utopian left idolizes cold-blooded murderers like Mao and Che Guevara and why one left-wing revolution after another has contributed to the murder of more than 100 million people in the 20th Century alone. Compare the goals and methods of Maximilien Robespierre with the goals and suggested methods of today’s far left. This line of thinking is nothing new and it always ends in a Reign of Terror, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Killing Fields, Holodomor, gulag, etc. Always.
Curtis said last night: “I was worried that the environment is an issue that can seem worthy and we will all just drift into disaster. So I thought it was worth trying to write something unexpected. But when you try to be funny on a serious subject, it’s obviously risky. I hope people who don’t like the little film will still think about the big issue and try to do something about it.”
That is the money quote from the Guardian update.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/oct/02/1010-richard-curtis-climate-change
From that quote, Curtis doesn’t look like an intentional saboteur. So I guess it’s a case of an outcome diverging from intentions. Talk about an all time record Freudian slip….
How did this thing get approved? If not sabotage, that leaves groupthink gone berserk.
Other (press) contacts to write to in Sony UK:
Sony UK
Lucie Speciale
e-mail: Lucie.speciale@eu.sony.com
Aimee Lake
e-mail: Aimee.lake@eu.sony.com
Jessica Simpson
e-mail: Jessica.simpson@eu.sony.com
New parody up at the Guardian, Delingpole’s latest thread:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100056810/splattergate-oh-well-we-live-and-learn/
Anyone still upset that people are too stupid to appreciate the humor, is THIS one funny?
Letter of complaint to go in The Sun, either tomorrow or the next. Yeah, The Sun, but it is still one of the biggest selling daily papers.
OPEN ‘DEAR JOHN’ LETTER to old Eugenie, Franny, Daniel, Lizzie and the whole 10:10 team
———-
My dearest Eugenie, Franny, Daniel, Lizzie and the whole 10:10 team,
Hi, hey I think in every difficult situation there is an opportunity to go “onward and upward”. So, here’s the deal. Fire that Curtis dude real quick and call Walt Disney Productions to do another video. Walt Disney has successful experience in wholesome family movies that are thematic in the blowing up a kid genre. Just GOOGLE ‘Honey, I Blew Up the Kid!’ for contact info.
And, oh, how is that whole groupthink thing working out for you? Drop me a line.
That is it, have a nice apocalyptic day. : )
Love,
John
PS – If you are looking for new sponsors because your previous ones were figuratively ‘blown away’, I hear that Pachy’s got some unreported income he has got to ditch under-the-table to someone really quick.
—————–
Heh, heh, heh
As I typed the above I was playing “Bad to the Bone” by George Thorogood & the Destroyers
John
The 10:10 website’s partners page was still up a second ago: http://www.1010global.org/uk/partners
However, just in case it is removed, here is a list of the partners and their websites (culled from the HTML for that page pulled with wget). Be sure to let them all know how appalling their involvement is with these nut cases is and ask them how they feel to be supporting an organization that depicts the blowing up of children and defends it as humour.
Eaga is the UK's largest supplier of heating and renewable energy an
d is at the forefront of the low-carbon economy
http://www.eaga.com/
O2 is the UK's leading provider of mobile phones, broadband and SIMs. O2 is partnering with 10:10 as part of its Think Big initiative and will be selling 10:10 Tags in its shops across the UK
http://www.o2.co.uk/
Sony is one of the world’s leading digital entertainment
brands, with household names such as VAIO™, Cyber-Shot™, BRAVIA™ and Walkman®. Sony is sponsoring 10:10 to support its staff’s efforts to go even further on carbon reduction
http://www.sony.co.uk/eco
The Ashden Trust
http://www.ashdentrust.org.uk
Esmée Fairbairn Foundation
http://www.esmeefairbairn.org.uk/
Wates Foundation
http://www.watesfoundation.org.uk/
The GD Charitable Trust
No URL provided
Jam Today
No URL provided
The Funding Network
http://www.thefundingnetwork.org.uk/
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/10-10
National Magazine Company
http://www.natmags.co.uk/
ActionAid
http://www.actionaid.org.uk/102084/1010_schools.html
Campaign for greener healthcare
http://www.greenerhealthcare.org/1010-health
Carbon Trust
http://www.carbontrust.co.uk
Degrees Cooler
http://www.nus.org.uk/Campaigns/Green-Zone-/Degrees-Cooler/
Energy Saving Trust
http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/
The Great British Refurb
http://www.greatbritishrefurb.co.uk/
The broadband channel for environmental films
http://www.green.tv/
Olswang LLP
http://www.olswang.com
People and Planet
http://peopleandplanet.org/
Public Interest Research Centre
http://www.pirc.info
Pure360 Email Marketing Solutions
http://www.pure360.com
The 10:10 website’s partners page was still up a second ago: http://www.1010global.org/uk/partners
Be sure to let them all know how appalling their involvement with these nut cases is and ask them how they feel to be supporting an organization that depicts the blowing up of children and defends it as humour.
(I have saved the HTML for the page and extracted all the URLs but am having problems posting it.)
@ Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
October 2, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Wow! Not sure where you are going with your response to me. I suggest you work on your reading comprehension, or perhaps you confused my post with someone else because pretty much what you wrote reflects absolutely nothing that I wrote!
I was merely pointing out that WUWT (and others) are sensationalizing this 10:10 video and somehow trying to give the impression that it is representative of all “greenies” or whatever your term is.
Benjamin P. says:
October 3, 2010 at 10:35 am
“I was merely pointing out that WUWT (and others) are sensationalizing this 10:10 video […]”
Oh, yeah, sensationalized… after all, they just blew up a few children, nothing big… I was living under the impression that all you Greenshirts want is publicity by any means, you know, climbing up power plant chimneys, getting in the way of fishermen, anything to get in the news. So you should be more than happy.
————
Benjamin P.,
The “No Pressure” video is self-sensationalizing. Of course in a free society anything like it is going to go uber viral, and rightly so. The fault for that is 10:10 itself.
Do you have a problem with open dialog in a free society? I suspect you do.
Anthony, thanks for your open venue. We are indebted.
John
If you think this is bad, read this. http://www.carlineconomics.com/archives/947.
I hadn’t actually watched the video because my young children were around but I just had the opportunity and it’s even worse than I imagined. What it does is show the promoters for the lying dirtbags that they really are. Throughout, they claim, “No pressure. Your choice,” even though they have no intention of letting people choose differently from what they demand. For them, it’s all about coercion and force and, if that doesn’t work, terror and murder. Maximilien Robespierre would be proud of them.
Michael Ronayne says: October 2, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Here is the Wikipedia page on Franny Armstrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franny_Armstrong which fails to mention that Franny finds it goodsport to blowup anyone who disagries with her. Browse the websites listed below and enjoy some of Franny’s cretive videography. Leni Riefenstahl could only admire Franny Armstrong talents.
========================================================
Well Michael, I have read the Wiki report as well as the review of The Age of the Stupid – see below.
You can all make up your minds about this little timebomb of a person.
Franny Armstrong
Maker of The Age of the Stupid: Here’s what some reviewers made of it (and her)
Environmental activist George Monbiot said that the film’s “message, never stated but constantly emerging, is that we all have our self-justifying myths. We tell ourselves a story of our lives in which we almost always appear as the heroes. These myths prevent us from engaging with climate change.” Time Out London’s film editor, Dave Calhoun, said, “Armstrong’s prognosis is apocalyptic. The Times called the film “the most imaginative and dramatic assault on the institutional complacency shrouding the issue”, saying, “The power of this shameless campaigning film is that it gives dates and deadlines. It explores options and ideas. It names culprits…”The New York Times described the film as a “much sterner and more alarming polemic than An Inconvenient Truth”. The review noted the “gallows humor” throughout the film although the review was critical of the crude animated sequences.[ The Sydney Morning Herald described the film as “a wake-up call with an elegiac tone — not quite hectoring but pressing. This is about human nature, greed and personal responsibility. It aims to scare and galvanize — and it’s pretty good at both.
=========================================================
You better believe that she really does want to blow up anyone who disagrees with her.
She is a nutter!!
Doug
Now this is parody with a big P of taking the P**s out of …
Richard Sharpe,
Thanks for putting together the list – it won’t be for nothing.
The murder fantasies of enviro-whackos are not surprising when you consider the following quotes from some of the environmentalist movement’s founders, leaders and high-profile supporters:
“In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.”
– Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, first president of the World Wildlife Fund – as reported by Deutsche Presse-Agentur (DPA), August, 1988
“We have no problem in principle with the humans reducing their numbers by killing one another. It’s an excellent way of making the humans extinct.”
– Geophilus, “spokesorganism” of the Gaia Liberation Front, as quoted by Les U. Knight of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (These Exit Times, 1992)
“I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds, I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds.”
– Paul Watson, a founder of ‘Greenpeace,’ as quoted in Access to Energy, 1982 (1989?)
“One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.”
– Psychologist Barbara Marx Hubbard – member and futurist/strategist of Task Force Delta; a United States Army think tank
“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing….This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run.”
– Economist editorial, December 28, 1988
“In order to stabilize world population, it is necessary to eliminate 350,000 people a day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
– Oceanographer Jacques Cousteau, as quoted in UNESCO Courier, November 1991
“Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”
– Julian Huxley, first director general of UNESCO (1946-1948)
“Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planet. We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the Earth….Until such time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.”
– David Graber, ecologist, National Park Service, in a 1989 LA Times book review
“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
– John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
“If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS.”
– Earth First! Newsletter
“Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.”
– David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
– David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
“We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity’s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight.”
– David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
[Cannibalism is a] “radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.”
– Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995
“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
– Ted Turner, media mogul, as quoted in Audubon, November-December 1991
“You think Hiroshima was bad, let me tell you, mister, Hiroshima wasn’t bad enough!”
– Faye Dunaway as the voice of “Mother Earth/Gaia” in the 1991 WTBS series “Voice of the Planet”
Sources:
http://secure.freestateproject.org/node/21771
http://www.solopassion.com/node/1312
http://pushback.com/issues/environment/ecofreak-quotes/
http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2007/12/human-hatred.html
http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2007/11/population-reduction-quotes.html
http://american_almanac.tripod.com/tinny.htm
http://www.off-road.com/trails-events/voice/genocide-threats-from-green-terrorists-16221.html
http://pc.blogspot.com/2006/07/quote-extinction-of-human-species-may.html
Richard Sharpe:
Hope this helps a bit.
http://notrickszone.com/2010/10/03/protest-sony-and-the-1010-partners-no-pressure-to-do-so/
Mocking begins
My sincere (not) condolences to old Eugenie, Franny, Daniel, Lizzie and the whole 10:10 team over the early and unexpected death of your precious and beloved “No Pressure” video.
I know you all got to be really mad at that bad bad Curtis dude that screwed up so much that it caused the death of your video . . . it is so tragic . . . you invested so much of your love with him and trusted him . . . . and he let down.
Mocking ends
John
We should allow increased wealth and education to move us inexorably towards voluntary population stabilisation and on the basis of current figures that should happen within the next 50 years or so. Every human society with sufficient wealth and education has been shown to reduce birthrates to replacement level or less.
In the meantime technological advances will steadily reduce the per capita demand for earth resouces to a level that is more sustainable.
Then once population growth has ceased it will begin a long slow decline on a purely voluntary basis whilst resource use efficiency increases still further and in 150 years or so a long term accommodation with nature will have been achieved without the scary scenarios promulgated by seekers of power.
We have to restrain those pessimists. They are wrong and throughout history have always been wrong. They are the threat, not population, resource depletion or pollution. Left to our own free choices we can do what is necessary without them. The whole of history shows that we can overcome the prognostications of aggressive doomsayers.
They may want large numbers of us to die. All we need is for them to get out of the way. We have the moral advantage in every way and we must now express it and move forward without them.
A new movement is needed.
Perhaps ‘ The People’s Planetary Symbiosis’ ?
I don’t know why this is shocking to anyone. The video shows the logical conclusion of totalitarian thought. It is consistent with history. If the AGW/leftist mindset is allowed to gain much more control of positions of power, we have been fairly warned of what to expect.
h/t Jo Nova
The parodies begin!
Every time I think I’ve seen it all, I get proven wrong, but…….as vile as this 10:10 presentation was, it served a purpose: at long last, the mask has finally slipped, and the true aims of the AGW campaign and all its fellow travellers have been revealed. It was THEIR ad. What can they say? Satire? Please. Even on this thread, that’s been done to death. A joke gone wrong and we’re all so sorry? I’ve read their apology(?) It reminds you of those TV courtroom dramas where the sleazy lawyer asks an outrageous question, then quickly says: “withdrawn” to the other lawyer’s “Objection!”
The entire purpose of their ultimate agenda is power and control. I wish I could take credit for this, but on another website a commenter observed that the 10:10 logo looks suspiciously like handcuffs.
Have not read all of the comments so this may be a repeat of someone else but all I could think of after watching this is that we have gone to war against this type of oppression. The only thing they could have done to get their sick point across better was get the classmates of the “deniers” to tattoo denier across the deniers forehead, shave their head and put into a concentration camp before killing them. This is not satire this is plain sick
The comments on the 10:10 website pull no punches:
http://www.1010global.org/uk/2010/10/sorry
Most commercial websites that I’ve visited in the past provide a ‘contact’ link that lets one e-mail them direct from the website or alternately an e-mail address. I’ve checked the sites of a number of the sponsors listed and no such link or address is evident. I’m assuming they have removed them in anticipation of the onslaught.
Well. I’m English & didn’t find this propaganda piece in the least amusing!
I was brought up on the Goons, Round the Horne, The navy lark, (That was anti-establishment satire,) and the Pythons.
The Pythons were very funny & employed a ‘scattergun’ approach. They satirised everything. Anyone who says they were anti-conservative is either blind or has a selective memory. They satirised the conservatives, yes, they also satirised labour & who can forget their satirical piece on re-distribution of wealth, Dennis Moore, which covered a whole episode.
That was something they often did in fact, a multi-part skit, sort of a featured target.
Don’t tell me I don’t understand humour, particularly British humour, I do.
On another thread, I noted the NZ/Oz rivalry with the ‘sheep poll’. It sort of reminded me of an experience in a Scottish bar many years ago. I was with a southerner & remarked that Scots were just Geordies with their brains kicked in, He nearly cr*pped himself! I asked the barman over, knowing he had heard every word. I asked if he was offended, “no,” he said, “we say the same about you!” I knew that already obviously.
DaveE.
P Gosselin says:
October 3, 2010 at 1:51 pm
I posted that on one of the earlier threads & referred to it as an out-take rather than a parody. 😉
DaveE.
Patrick Kelly says on October 3, 2010 at 5:42 pm
I checked five randomly, and came up with these addresses or websites:
ashdentrust@sfct.org.uk
contact@pure360.com
http://www.olswang.com/contact.asp
info@thefundingnetwork.org.uk
http://www.natmags.co.uk./index.php/v1/Contacts_%26_maps
Note that National Magazines is actually part of Hearst Corp, it would seem, so you could also register your displeasure with Hearst. You will actually have to write a letter to National Magazines, since they only offer a postal address as far as I could see. The rest provided an email address or a form to fill in, as with Olswang LLP.
Stephen Wilde says:
October 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm
I’ve often said Stephen. The best contraceptive known to mankind is prosperity!
DaveE.
Dave says: October 3, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Have not read all of the comments so this may be a repeat of someone else but all I could think of after watching this is that we have gone to war against this type of oppression. The only thing they could have done to get their sick point across better was get the classmates of the “deniers” to tattoo denier across the deniers forehead, shave their head and put into a concentration camp before killing them. This is not satire this is plain sick
=============================================================
Dave, how right you are.
Having read her bio on Wiki it is plain to see that Franny Armstrong is a very ‘driven’ woman who is well along the path to ‘save the world’ according to her own lights and will stop at nothing. This last little ‘episode’ is a demonstration of her desperation.
In my view she needs help.
As for the fools here who try to describe this ‘crap’ as British humour – well there are always those who will delude themselves or find excuses for anyone. Reminds me of the old lady who couldn’t say anything bad about anyone, even the devil and described him as being ‘very industrious’.
Doug
DougD’s got the goods on these creeps.
On viewing the first couple of minutes of this video, I assumed it was satire in poor taste intended to show climate warming alarmists as psychopathic nutters. But since I now know it to have been made by climate warming alarmists, I firmly believe that it should be shown in every classroom to provide warning that many climate warming alarmists really are psychopathic nutters who lust for totalitartian power.
Bin Laden goes green and Green goes bin Laden.
Behind the scenes 1010.
http://youtubes.5aa5.com/viewyDHhgF1mIvA&feature=youtube_gdata_player.html
Is it me, or does the logo for this wretched 10:10 not look like a set of handcuffs??
Very appropriate ;- )
It’s interesting that the ‘deniers’ are portrayed as a small minority. The so-called humour enables the integration of yet another lie. Or so they hoped.
How dare they use one of my favourite Radiohead tracks!
On the plus side,I got to see a bit of Gillian Anderson side boob.
Late watching this. Pure propaganda in the worst way. I don’t think it isn’t directed at children. It is directed at anyone who doesn’t believe like they do. As for Jeremy of W.A., go get some counceling dude. Seriously, now.
What is really humorous about all this is not the video, which I find nihilistic. The hilarious part is the 10:10 ideological environmentalist’s ineptness in handling the aftermath of their initial misjudgment. They can’t handle even their own environmental endeavor.
John
I think most of the schools signed up are in the UK…
My childs headteacher, spoke to 10 10 this morning and has stopped all involvement with 10 10
The head was completely unaware of this video, and the 10 10 mindset..
May I suggest, anyone with children, sent the link to the guardian article, to their schools headteacher/governors.
And ask them, please watch this video, read the co-founders words….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/se…
Should you ever be involved with this…
Look up your school.
http://www.1010global.org/uk/education/schools
I am personally going to email ALL my local schools with this link, and advice them what my schools headteacher has done..
I hope that anyone else might do the same..
in there area..
your choice, no pressure !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is just downright disgusting. They should feel horrible that this movie was even made, let alone recruiting young boys and girls to play the parts. Complete Sickness..
An apology from Kyocera Ltd…..
.
Quote:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your email, just received. I totally understand your reaction to this video, which was very similar to my own.
Kyocera Mita UK has supported the 10:10 campaign because we share its ambition to reduce carbon emissions. However, we don’t support the “No Pressure” video and are dismayed by the suggestion that we might have been knowing partners in its production; in fact, we had no knowledge of its content until it appeared online. We consider that 10:10 made a grave error of judgement in its choice of creative approach, which is totally at odds with the inclusive and positive attitude that has been the hallmark of its other activities. We understand that 10:10 has acknowledged its mistake, withdrawn the video and issued an apology.
I assure you that we are taking this issue extremely seriously. A formal statement will be issued in due course.
Kind regards
Tracey
Tracey Rawling Church
Director of Brand and Reputation
—————————————————————————
KYOCERA MITA (UK) Limited
.
Barry Woods:
Can you repost that link, it is broken.
If you want a Monty Python version of the 10:10 video, watch it here.
When you have watched it you will learn the difference between Monty Python comedy and a truly awful totally disgusting and utterly counterproductive video which shows the environmental lobby for what they are – fascists.
Official response from Sony:
“Thank you for your email concerning the video released by the 10:10 climate change campaign group. Sony has supported the 10:10 climate change campaign because we share its objective to reduce carbon emissions. However, we strongly condemn the “No Pressure” video which was conceived, produced and released by 10:10 entirely without the knowledge or involvement of Sony. The company considers the video to be ill-conceived and in extremely bad taste. We also believe the video risks undermining the work of the many thousands of members of the public, schools and universities, local authorities and many businesses, of which Sony is one, who support the long-term aims of the 10:10 movement and who are actively working towards the reduction of carbon emissions.
As a result we have taken the decision to disassociate ourselves from 10:10 at this time.
In our press statement we will be posting tomorrow morning we reaffirm our ongoing commitment to the reduction of global carbon emissions as part of our ‘Road to Zero’ environmental plan.”
First seen here:
http://ktwop.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/sony-disassociate-themselves-from-1010/
Glenn Beck did a short segment on the video. He was not impressed.
I just caught the last few seconds.
They have now posted what I would call a proper apology (nothing like the original ‘la di da’, Annie Hall version) but it looks like it was much too late for the majority of their corporate sponsors. O2 is the only one still showing on their ‘partners’ page.
Other partners have also disappeared from the list.
Entering the Parody Zone:
The Early 21st Century Classics in Ideological Environmentalism Humor.
Episode #2 – From old Eugenie, Franny, Daniel, Lizzie and the whole 10:10 team
Exiting the Parody Zone.
John
Notice how all of the people being murdered in this video are white? 93% of the total human population is not white, and yet every person in this video is white. Not only are the creators of this video anti-human, they are anti-white racists.
Binny said October 5, 2010 at 1:24 am
The white/non-white population figures tend to be nebulous. This National Policy Institute study says the white population will plummet to single digits by 2060, 9.76%, from a high point of 27.98% in 1950.
“White” often gets treated like the paint color, add anything in and it ceases being really white. As the lore of the land goes, the “drop of blood” standard was used by slave owners, nowadays it inflates the “minority” statistics. You’re one-sixteenth Sioux, mark the “Native American” check box. Your great-great-grandmother was black, you must use the African-American (black non-Latin) box.
The reality is, there’s hardly anyone alive who’s really white. There’s a few geographically isolated pockets that might be able to claim that. Possibly there are some people who only have “white” genes, those common to all or only from those providing “white”-specific traits (whatever those are). If so, it’s virtually certain that’s only due to non-white genes getting filtered out over time. Research shows everyone alive had a common ancestor, one person from whom everyone alive is a descendant. As reported here, they likely came from East Asia. See also here, and this page summarizes and links together a lot of work. Figuring in human migration, travel, resultant racial mixing, this common ancestor may have lived 7000 years ago, or perhaps only 1000 years ago, likely around the 3000 year mark.
The upshot is, at some point “white” becomes a self-identification. By “drop of blood” there isn’t a white person on the planet. Perhaps with all the visual and written evidence one has on their ancestors there are only “white” features noted, thus they identify themselves as white. But in the fine print, “white” does not exist. To toss it out there as an example, a Jewish ancestor somewhere in the family tree is fairly common among white people. Except for a few converts, who may have had their own Jewish ancestors, “Jew” is an ancient racial grouping. And one with considerable noted African heritage.
As to the video, well, they did say it was only intended for UK audiences. What you think you perceive could just be a quirk based on the UK’s racial proportions.