Quote of the Week: McKibben Madness

a campaign of civil disobedience
That we know it, that phrase is from JJ “Trains”

Tsk, tsk, tsk … it is so unseemly when a public figure throws a hissy fit

Bill just wants to support Chinese jobs and manufacturing.

Problem with the lefties, they believe the ends justify the means. And because they have been drinking the cool-aid for so long, and they believe their cause is so noble, that they are willing to do anything for it. Were is it going to end?

These people are eco-terrorists. The power plants and coal mines they plan on attacking should be armed and guarded with sufficient force that interruption of their operations isn’t a possibility. Get law enforcement out to protect these critical assets, then have internal security forces as a backup. Train the operators and miners in the proper use of self defense and asset protection, if necessary.
Then by all means, throw these eco-terrorists in jail and throw the book at ’em. As part of their repatriation into society, apply service hours in which they are required to assist those without heat and electricity make it through the coming cold winter. And if that doesn’t work, let them spend a winter in a facility without electricity or heat just to see how stupid their terrorist ideas really are.

Gee, looks kind of cold out there. Wonder what they’d do for warmth if the power plant actually did close? Nice jackets too – most appear to be made from petroleum products.

Jackie says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:41 am
Bill just wants to support Chinese jobs and manufacturing.
That is serious, because if everything is manufactured outside your country and worked abroad, where will you work?
Something that perhaps you don’t know, the US currency has devaluated, in LA countries, in an average of 17-20%, in spite of the fact that treasuries try to “defend it” by buying US currency on a daily basis, but it has become increasingly difficult to stop its local devaluation, affecting export goods paid in this currency.

This dude should try going commando for some relief from his obviously too tight shorts.
The blood circulation to his brain is being severely restricted.

The calls for civil disobedience seem to be growing. From a British columnist: a government advisory agency calls for public demonstrations.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100054012/global-warming-is-dead-long-live-er-global-climate-disruption/

Which is why, with other environmental leaders, we recently issued a call for ideas about a campaign of civil disobedience next spring — at power plants and coal mines but at White Houses too, if they don’t turn at least a little green.
We’ve run out of spare decades to deal with climate change — the summer’s events in the Arctic, in Russia, in Pakistan proved that with great clarity. We know what we need to do, and we must do it. Enthusiastically.
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and this is exactly why people are thinking they are the lunatic fringe………
The sad part, at least for them, is that people have time to be liberal when they have money, jobs, spare time, etc

No doubt Dr. Hansen himself is busily preparing the Giant Paper Mache’ Puppets for Climate Action’s much feared display of infantile acting-out civil disobedience. After all, NASA’s audacious new primary mission is ~”to help the Muslim Nations feel better about their historic acheivements in math, science, and engineering.”

This “mooron” just can’t get anything right; his dog must have eaten the message that “mooobeam Holdren” sent him that changed “civil disobedience” to “civil disruption”….or on second thought, maybe the “mooron” ate it himself….

Free speech and freely we to them allow (misquoted from “Richard II”).

“White Houses”? Does that mean they are going to protest against random houses that are white, or that they think there is more than one ‘White House’?

a campaign of civil disobedience next spring — at power plants and coal mines
Is it not that NEXT in the northern hemisphere is AUTUMM?

They are making progress. Notice they choose “spring” to do their demonstrations. Weather should be light jacket attire. Shame if there’s late snow storms and freezing weather. But never bet against The Gore Effect.

Grumpy old man pegged it: fascists. UnfrozencavemanMD you dont really know the guy as well as you think. I think he is a spoiled brat and not all that intelligent. Were he intelligent he would not be saying the things he says.

And to think, all this tripped off by an El Nino.
The only thing that can save the US power generating infrastructure now is if Bob Tisdale can explain to Bill McKibben what ENSO is and get him to calm down before any real harm is done.

Next spring, why not winter? Notice how these nut jobs are quiet in the winter.
I have lost a couple of friends because of this man is bad for mother earth rhetoric. I tell them right off, put your wallet where your mouth is. I ask them why they are on the grid. Where is your electric car, on right it won’t pull your holiday trailer. Hey I am all for enviromental stewardship but as people are supposedly getting better educated they seem to be getting stupider. I suspect it is a result of our liberal education system drumming this liberal BS in peoples minds every day and not allowing them to think.

DesertYote says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:42 am
Were is it going to end?
IMHO, ultimately war – either civil or intercontinental. There is too much money invested (or rather vitual debt racked up). We can only hope that the sun performs a moderating influence as it has done in the past throughout history.

“I don’t have a problem with people protesting nonviolently in a non-disruptive way, even if I don’t agree with them.”
Protests are one thing.
Civil disobedience has to be disruptive .

As Monty Python’s sketch about the Parliamentarian who’d finally had enough of all the Whinging: Got up and said: “….Sick and Tired people are Sick and Tired of being told that Sick and Tired people are Sick and Tired. ….And…… I’m Sick and Tired of It !!!!!!”
I’m sick and tired of these Green people.
But that girl in the middle does looks cute. So, where do i sign up!!!????

All this issue of global warming nuts/wrong science reminds me that we are really dealing with a consequence of a personality perversion named “self-conceit” which rejects as ignorance all that is common sense. This is the evil trend which we witness in every post-modern profession : The more complicated, the more “intelligent”, the more mysterious the more important “I am”. This phenomenon reaches unbelievable expressions such as MD’s rejecting to cure patients using natural medicine. One example among a million: There is one herb, known as “Chancapiedra”(stones’smasher)(*) which dissolves kidney’s stones, however they choose moore sophisticated and, obviously, more EXPENSIVE ways to do it.
(*) Stones’ smasher (phyllantus niruri)
http://translate.google.com/translate?client=tmpg&hl=en&u=http://www.perunaturalproducts.com/la_chancapiedra.htm&langpair=es|en

johnnythelowery says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:56 am
I beg your pardon, what do you smoke?

But in the picture he seems to be telling us to “live long and prosper”. His lack of critical thinking skills tells me he is probably only half Vulcan ( the bottom half ).

I dont think this is funny. Looking at it from their point of view, if you have hyped yourself up to believe the end of the world is nigh, this is exactly the sort of desperate action you would start to contemplate when you suffer a reversal and ordinary channels start closing. I think these are dangerous times while the wheels are visibaly falling off the AGW wagon, but major public organisations or figures stay sitting on the fence. Luckily, so far these proposals are only sad, feel-good, token gestures aimed at soft targets, but unless things cool down soon, Id be worried about more Silver Springs. I sure hope some of you guys out there on the front line are OK.

The guy’s a frickin’ Nutjob.

I would like to remind at least Americans that were it not for civil disobedience we would still be British.
“Disobedience to tyranny is obedience to God”

@ M White & John from CA.
The Bakken is oil in shale, small isolated puddles of oil trapped in a vast amount of non-permeable shale. Estimates go as high as 500 billion barrels. But this is like the argument that there is more gold in the Pacific Ocean than in all the gold mines in the world. OK, so how do you propose mining the Pacific Ocean? Ah, thanks to a “recently developed methodology”. Queue the conspiracy theorists…

But the best of McKibben is at the end of his op-ed piece. Nothing like a little totalitarianism if all else fails, and the idiots just won’t agree with you.
“We’ve run out of spare decades to deal with climate change — the summer’s events in the Arctic, in Russia, in Pakistan proved that with great clarity. We know what we need to do, and we must do it. Enthusiastically.”

RockyRoad says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:49 am
“These people are eco-terrorists. The power plants and coal mines they plan on attacking should be armed and guarded with sufficient force that interruption of their operations isn’t a possibility. Get law enforcement out to protect these critical assets, then have internal security forces as a backup. Train the operators and miners in the proper use of self defense and asset protection, if necessary.”
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Back in the mid 1970’s I was living in Maryland. I was developing materials to train nuclear power plant operators. A neighbor was the head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission department that assessed security at nuclear power plants.
The Eco-Nazis were using the technique of serial law suits to delay the completion of nuclear power plants for years. The electric utility would then go bankrupt because they were paying all of the construction expenses for years after they estimated that they would be up and earning revenue.
The latest ploy of the Eco-Nazis was to sue over the security plans because terrorists might get into the plant and do something (undefined) bad. (It was at the same time the pathetic fool Jimmy Carter was bungling the Iranian Hostage Crisis.)
Since the future of life on earth was at stake should the terrorists have their way with a nuclear power plant, I was curious as to what the procedure was. If it were so important to keep terrorists out, I assumed that any unauthorized person caught inside the fence would automatically be shot on sight.
Makes sense to me, anyway.
My friend was horrified at the suggestion! Au contraire, the security personnel were told to place themselves between the terrorists and sensitive areas and defend themselves should they be attacked.
Folks, there is sheer lunacy inside the beltway. I suspect that there are mind altering drugs in the drinking water. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Regards,
Steamboat Jack (Jon Jewett’s evil twin)
PS Hey guys, the last paragraph of the above is a joke! Get it? A Joke! Part of it anyway. The problem with dealing with Eco-Nazis and Warmists is that sarcasm and irony seamlessly blend into their reality. Like Alice, they have taken the “one Pill (that) makes you larger AND (the) one Pill (that) makes you small”. They are ten feet tall and chasing a rabbit because the hooka smoking caterpillar told them where to go. Too bad they’ve lost their heads.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/white-rabbit/2216d0f873402bd430282216d0f873402bd43028-165662950921?q=one%20pill%20makes%20you%20larger&FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR

Fred
” Nice jackets too – most appear to be made from petroleum products”.
A neat way of emphasing the role mining plays in society is to ask one of the doubters to play a game – to undress and take off any any item of clothing and adornment that relies on the mining and petroleum industries for its existence.
The logical end is that your victim has to stand butt-naked in front of the audience, (if there is one), for everything they wear, be it underwear, spectacles, tooth filling, cataract replacements, etc etc etc etc, relies on mining in the first place, and has thus to be removed.
A colleague uses this method of explanation when confronted with obstinate politicians who think mining needs to be banned or curtailed. They see the lilght very quickly every time.

John from ca
It is all shale but some of those puddles are pretty big.
Try the size of the oil sands in canada. We would have to excavate every lake and city to get those trillion barrels.
If there is money to be made they are there. If there is not, then a conspiracy theory isn’t far behind.

John from ca
How can you strip mine something that is 1,000 feet below surface?

Steve from Rockwood says:
September 17, 2010 at 3:52 pm
@ M White & Tim Williams.
The estimates at 500 billion barrels seem to be right. The only problem is the fact that we are talking about shale-oil.
What evidence do you have for this 500bill figure? Please provide a link.
I have not seen this figure from any reliable source. All estimates I’ve seen cite the USGS 3.6 Bill barrels, any many consider this too large.
A good read about Bakken can be had here…http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3868

@ Tim Williams
Try this link.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/ftproot/features/ngshock.pdf
I think we are on the same page here Tim. I don’t believe the Bakken is a world class oil field although it is producing oil in both the U.S. and Canada. The number 500 billion probably refers to the total contained oil in the shale formation. What they seem to be extracting are pockets of pooled oil from a middle member formation (a more porous formation located within the shale) and within the shale directly by fracture technology and horizontal drilling.
My point about the 500 billion number is, sure maybe there is that much oil, but what is the cost to extract. Right now they are taking the easy stuff.

@ John from CA.
Strip mining is surface mining or open pit mining. It is fairly cheap although environmentalists are increasingly against it, probably because it visually doesn’t look great. At 1,000 ft under a mountain, the Bakken oil shale would have to be mined using underground methods (very unlikely), or fractured in sections (I know more about mining than oil recovery). The fact that oil companies are there working on the problem is a positive sign. But the low relative production suggests the cost/reward ratio is not there even at $75/barrel.
Check out the Canadian oil sands projects. This is considered to be the largest oil reservoir in the world based on extractable oil (but not at todays prices). There are 1-2 trillion barrels of oil there. Only 10% was thought to be extractable but this is based on current world prices. Estimates of 5 million barrels a day are given if oil prices continue to rise.
This is why I have a problem with peak oil. Much of it is based on economic limits and not production or reserve limits. Economics can change. We will run out of oil eventually, but not for a long time.

David L.
You need to look at some back issues of WUWT. Only in very limited cases can solar break even. I started on solar projects over 20 years ago, and there just isn’t a payback on investment.

Misleading – the activists did not want to get inside the facility, they were blocking the entrance gates so that coal could not be delivered and they were successful in blocking the gates for the entire day. More than anything it was meant to be symbolic – the youth are not willing to let our capitol building or our country to be run on fossil fues any longer
A correction would be appreciated, but I won’t hold my breath – you thrive on belittling and mocking those who would like to exercise the precautionary principle on an issue of epic proportions. (if you do correct please include the entire quote)
REPLY: Explain why then they have a sign that says “Closed for Climate Justice!” I’ll be happy to issue a retraction if they issue a press release that says the photo (their own from their website) gives a misleading impression that our group “closed” the power plant when in fact we did not. – Anthony

protester
The precautionary principle has a use only for people like you who want to impose yourselves on mankind.
AWG advocates of the “principle” never take account of the cost of doing whatever it is they want to do – only what they say is the cost of not doing it. As one small example, what do you reckon would be the cost of shutting down every coal fired power station and banning gasoline use for transport?