HuffPo: "Deniers" clogging up the blogosphere

I keep waiting and waiting on some politician or media outlet to finally see the light regarding this while issue but it’s interesting how they have only seemed to redouble their efforts at convincing people of the certainty of climate change despite the mounting evidence to the contrary.

I have read this turkey before. Gobble, gobble, gobble and not a word worth reading. But if you can’t attack the message then attack the messenger. This and much else we find in the “press” is uninformed, propaganda and sophistry. All these people seem to be good at is repeating press releases. I guess I should direct him to my essays on the philosophy of science. Maybe not to many big words I’m afraid. This kind of baffle gab unfortunately happens on both sides of the question. I have nothing better to say about blind deniers either.

“now the Earth is running a fever”
The only prescription is more cowbell.
http://www.funnyhub.com/videos/pages/snl-more-cowbell.html

The average AGW skeptic produces 1,400 BTU’s (Balanced Theory Units) per blog view, while this seems high, its far below the 2000 AGW’s units (Agressive Green Wash) produced by toxic AGW/Reality reactions.
Fortunately the ratio is not 1:1 BTU/AGW – its estimated that the ratio is around 10,000:1 in favour of BTU.
Naturally the BTUs have a remedial effect on the AGW’s pollution, reducing the MRE impact “Medieaval Reductionist Effect”, whereby anyone disagreeing with AGW is denounced as a witch, and burnt at the stake.
AGW is unsustainable, requiring the use of hundreds of Fossil Fools to stack the Post Normal Peer Reviewed papers around the feet of genuine scientists,… much of this was outsourced to China, – who forwarded it to India, – who subleased it to the E.U, – who created a Pivate/Public partnership with the U.N corporation, – who created a derivative market rule called the “Retardin’ Tradin’ Bill”.
However, Experiments in High Integrity Particle experiments promise a unification of the Weak Intellect Force (AGW) with the Strong Intellect Force (BTU), producing a sustainable Fusion reaction – in which scientific enquiry goes ‘Post’ – Post Normal, ushering in a new era of transparency and progress.

Shoulda been the Nobel prize in Economics. For one that one isn’t a “true” Nobel prize, and for another Gore has proven to be one of the biggest Rent Seekers in history, and has certainly skimmed his share. If not the Nobel he should win some kind of prize…

Every so often, for entertainment, I used to check out the ‘green’ articles in HuffPo. It was fun. They post every extreme story imaginable, as long as it fits their hopeless bias.
But posting a comment there was another adventure. First, one must get past their thought police. As far as I could tell, the mere mention of the word ‘Climategate’ was verbotten. So were any links that could lead to inconvenient thoughts. That limited what one can bring to the table.
It was OK to say that the parrot was dead but not OK to attempt to substantiate that point… except to say yes the parrot is dead.
But if you dared to suggest that the parrot was dead, that ‘community’ were like piranhas, and not nice piranhas either. An incredible display of herd behavior, mostly based on nothing but black-white, us and them, simplistic thinking. If you questioned Al Gore’s scientific prowess or any detail of the Green Bible, you must love Palin and, of course, be a ‘Tea Bagger.’ And, now, a racist. It was insane.
Huffpo made me realize just how screwed up the good old USA is now.

More famous last words; “I’ve had eighteen whiskies, I think thats a record !!!”- Dylan Thomas

I’m not clogging up the blogosphere !! I’ve been at WUWT? the whole time. I’ve got witnesses!!

Then a few years ago, around the time Hurricane Katrina struck and Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar and he and the IPCC were awarded a Nobel Prize, the media began to realize that climate science is real and has consequences, and the “other side” is almost all empty rhetoric.

Because you used the word, “consequences” plural with an s yet only listed Katrina as anything which could be interpreted as an actual consequence of climate science.
Unless of course you meant that Oscars and Nobel Prizes are consequences of climate science.

Time and again I have asked Google to allow me to filter out “news” from the Huff and Puff Post. Even their asinine headlines give me a headache. So far, no action from Google.

Mike Sandler;
More sophisticated denier methods often appeal to:
The nature of scientific inquiry means always questioning your assumptions (ironically, the people who question the science of climate change, are likely those who question all science).>>
My expectation is that Mr Sandler, by way of his slur above, intended to smeer skeptics as religious zealots who deny science. That he finds irony in the questioning of assumptions and scientific conclusions other than his own firmly held belief system is deeply… deeply… ironic. Alas, it is an argument founded not upon facts, evidence or reason, but on the least sophisticated of all possible arguments, the simple dismissal of any opinion contrary to his own. This too is deeply… tragicaly… and disturbingly… ironic.

Think of all the tax dollars we could have saved if we knew an Oscar, a hurricane and a prize would decide climate science.
“Then a few years ago, around the time Hurricane Katrina struck and Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar and he and the IPCC were awarded a Nobel Prize, the media began to realize that climate science is real and has consequences, and the “other side” is almost all empty rhetoric.”

Time for a b*llshit bingo, get 5 right and win a prize, a smile on your face 🙂
[x] heat-trapping gases
[x] the Earth is running a fever
[x] increasingly toxic atmosphere
[x] climate deniers
[x] delay meaningful government action
[x] harass scientists and authors
And thats just from the first paragraph (O_o)

davidmhoffer (21:32:22) You should love this:
A New Era of Partnerships: Report of Recommendations to the President – March 2010 http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/…/ofbnp-council-final-report.pdf
“Recommendation 1:
Form an Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and assign Faith- and Community-Based Liaisons to EPA regional offices………………..
Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships at the EPA could help to unleash this potential and activate faith- and community-based networks to promote energy efficiency, environmental responsibility, and green jobs.”

You have millions upon millions of people all across the world who have seen the Climate Hoax for what it is, and are not about to fall under the hypnotic spell any more.
They see the weather not co-operating, they see the greed, they remember the failed predictions and they see the corrupted frenzy for monetary gain.
The only support left is the polical power, those cashing in and those still hoping for a true environmentally sane outcome.
And those untold millions tell thier friends all about it.
Denialism, as the HuffPo calls it, went grassroots.
It is it’s own Tea Party and it interconnects with all the others wanting to take back thier country/climate.
And it’s the grassroots that calls the Climate Hoax’s bluff.
Now that is a real torrent.
The HuffPo is now in the Reactionary drivers seat.

“Climate Deniers are Polluting the Blogosphere”
I suppose clean water can be said to be polluting a sewer, since it’s something that’s not “naturally found” in that system. The dilution ratio is still pretty low, lots more clean water can be added.
“…clogging up the blogosphere”
To the CAGW faithful, I am a large glob of hair and grease impeding the free-flowing of their movement to its final destination.
Good. Glad to be so helpful to their cause. 🙂

>Free speech (as if achieving consensus on climate science somehow takes
>away their Constitutional rights) or
I suppose that every would-be despot has to start someplace, taxing carbon dioxide emissions is easier to sneak past the general public than openly taxing our oxygen intake. I sincerely wonder about this angle, as one of the common themes on ‘my’ side of the fence is that most involved (at/near the top of the totem pole) seem to seek either profit or control and I find this rather disturbing. Judging by the behavior of many of the principle proponents of this issue (individuals and organizations both), I’ve found myself doubting their motives, their character, and unfortunately their honesty – something I’ve been almost wholly unable to do here. Unless of course this really is just intriguing window-dressing to sell weather gadgets and temperature dataloggers… 😉
>The nature of scientific inquiry means always questioning your assumptions
>(ironically, the people who question the science of climate change, are
>likely those who question all science).
I find this funny as this questioning is partly what led me here, and my assumptions were definitely challenged – it didn’t take very long to realize that those assumptions weren’t very well founded. Well, that and I think that labelling someone a ‘denier’ because they’re asking honest questions is a bloody rotten thing to do. Turns out I’m not the only one on this side of the fence that thinks so either – over the past few months many people in my circle confessed to having doubts about the issue – not because the blogosphere is littered with ‘denialist propaganda’, but because the issue as advertised doesn’t ‘add up’ to them. Polar Bears aren’t dying off, Arctic/Antarctic ice isn’t vanishing, green leafy plants love the CO2, earth isn’t turning into a fireball – what’s the problem?
Cheers.

‘climate science is real and has consequences’
That’s actually true. But I don’t think Mike Sandler understand why though.

“Clogging up the blogosphere?
Cor blimey guv’na, don’t tell Gordon Brown. He’ll wanna ‘troduce a blogosphere congestion tax

“You just have to laugh when you see articles like this”
You’re right; I did, because that is all it is worth.
Does he ever write anything of substance, or is it all “whining like a six year old” kind of stuff?

I think “Climate Deniers are Polluting the Blogosphere” = AGW Antagonists are winning the Battle of the Blogosphere…

Well, then I guess this will irritate Mr. Sandler even more;
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6959757.html
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90853/6956238.html
I wonder how many people reads People Daily. Not few, I imagine.

Mike Sandler is an idiot.

The only way I make sense of this is with two components:
a. people who have recently become disillusioned with consumerism and material abundance (in the 1st world) and want some new purpose and meaning in life — enter Gaia which is sacred and beautiful like a deity but doesn’t fall into the traditional notion of religion as there’s no personification of a deity, just a “web of life” (can appeal to Buddhists and Yoga types because it can appear “spiritual but not religious”)
b. the “old” materialistic world which continues to do business, build infrastructure, and look for new opportunities — if it wasn’t for politicians trying to cut deals, global warming would still be a fringe issue only spoken about by group a. amongst themselves, bemoaning the state of the world.
Part of the problem is that as people change gradually, they eventually get into some new “fad” or “purpose”. For many this has been the environment.
When the new purpose or lifestyle is still in its early stages, it looks truly amazing and every aspect of life “has to be” this new thing. Basically it is like a “cult” stage. When people get into it, they want to forget and suppress whatever came before. Old friends who don’t believe, old products, old interests, these things all fall away and are forgotten. People will instead start to identify with not being a consumer (even though they still go to the shops and buy stuff). The car they buy is still a car, just a little smaller.
Consumerism is just consumerism, kinda useful and necessary because we all have to eat, live in houses, pay bills. But when people start to go beyond just consumerism (because they’ve actually got most of what they need already) then they start to actively reject consumerism in order to get onto the next thing, like, service to humanity, or service to the environment, or whatever. But this active rejection is highly polarising. So it becomes a real problem. It becomes “good” versus “evil corporations”.
It is a problem. We really need ways to reintegrate the post-consumers with healthy consumerism again. Many people on this blog probably do this already, handling both ecological concerns and material concerns together.
But until there’s a better route through the rejection stage, then we’ll continue to have these insufferable accusations of evilness.

The trouble is that this nonsense is routinely fed to our schoolchildren. Just like religeon, the warmists seek their converts young to ensure their beliefs gain credence over the long term

Well, what about blogs that simply don’t say _anything_ about global warming, one way or another? Aren’t they guilty of apathy, of avoiding an “earth-saving issue”, and therefore clogging up the blogosphere with nonsense as well?
Right. Way to attackfree speech, Sandler (you idiot)!
And what is all this about confusing facts? Doesn’t that mean something in the warmist set of facts contains something to be confused, such that a contrary position is the result? For example…
Chickens lay eggs. Foxes eat chickens.
Now, let’s confuse some facts. We all like to confuse facts, right? Alright then, let’s do it! 🙂
Foxes lay eggs. Chickens eat chickens.
There is no way to confuse the stated fact that would result in a contrary position. The best one can hope for is just saying something different to the original statement.
Of course, they can’t come right out and say what they really mean… That there are too many contrarian bloggers than they feel comfortable with. That would make it obvious what they’re really complaining about. They don’t want any opposition!
But adding insult to injury, the use of the word confusion implies that we can only mix up what they say, and not have any original thought about it. Such silly and confused children, we are. And that’s because they don’t want to acknowledge that people can think for themselves, either. Why, that would mean… (gasp!)… opposition, which they don’t like!

and that sir Gobalot Sanders is why you are not a blogger, just a clogger.
No one gets it right, but good bloogers know when they it wrong.
Me I am a centrist, that gives me a target rich environment to operate in.
I know back in the Box Jack.
Blogging is an Australian US invention, mostly US.

I was going to post a comment there, along the lines of the author’s assertions that:
“…deniers don’t want to change their lifestyles or worldview.”
Well, just as AGW catastrophic alarmists do not, in face of the facts.
Then there’s the truly bonkers “If there’s no action before 2012,” says Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Nobel peace-prize-winning IPCC, “that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.” If you are a denier, it’s not too late to change your ways…yet. Do some research, but more importantly, open your mind. If you are already working to stop climate change, decisionmakers [sic] and the public need your help navigating through the polluted blogosphere and towards real climate solutions. Working together, we can leave a cleaner, more sustainable blogosphere for our children.”
“Raj Pach says…by 2012 or it’s all over..sustainable blogosphere for our children…’
I’d be dealing with a certifiable lunatic, here. And it honestly scares me. I don’t want to sign up my details to a blog with this nutter in charge. Or is that just me?
If you’re braver than me, or just more foolhardy, please point out the slavering idiocy of his arguments. Ta

“the media began to realize that climate science is real and has consequences, and the “other side” is almost all empty rhetoric”
Name calling and begging the question are all good signs that the alarmists are losing the arguments.

Thats what i don’t get about these AGW eco-warriors, they can’t see there doing more harm than good, taking away the focus of more enviromental problems to help line the pockets of the high priests.
AGW has pushed back true enviromentalism into the stone age where there all pushing an agenda that has no basis in facts at the cost of true dialogy of how humans can live on a planet without impacting on it (I’m sure the people cutting down trees in the rain forests as an example are loving it as theres less attention on them now).;
Hey the most devistating thing that humans are doing to the planet is a trace gas that if it wasn’t there would mean you and me wouldn’t be here.
I’m not usually a name caller but there idiots.

Gary (20:41:25) :
Gosh shucks, haven’t y’all heard? The science is settled. Al Gore said so. That’s enough for me. He’s won awards and he gets a lot of applause.
Seriously, am I the only one who hears the sneering patronizing tone in these sorts of articles? Can the pro-AGW readers not notice this? ….
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It shows he is either a government mouth piece or listening to government rhetoric. During the fight against Animal ID (NAIS) farmers were irate when they discovered one of the USDA’s more infamous documents stated that their operatives should treat all farmers as if they have a 6th grade education. The government thinks we are the easily lead gulible fools they have tried so hard to make us.

When the propaganda gets to this pathetic level we know for sure!
AGW is dead!

TRANSLATION: You “Deniers” are hurting my business of carbon sharing and need to shut up so I can make money.
http://www.carbonshare.org/

Doug – “..two intelligent men…” You are being far too generous. They and their ilk have an agenda of world government, higher taxes, and the de-industrialization of the world. They are dangerous and inimical to the concepts and principles that the United States was built on.
Doug S (23:01:11) :
I was watching Cris Matthews on Hard Ball tonight with James Cameron the film director and marveling at their utter confusion over the climate debate. These two gentlemen insist that big oil is behind the AGW skepticism – that’s you, me and all the other simple working stiffs that are NOT BUYING IT. The situation has moved beyond a typical political fight, IMO, and has now moved on to reveal a mass psychosis of some kind. Two intelligent men seemingly incapable of understanding the rouse that has gone on here or perhaps incapable of accepting the fact that they have allowed themselves to be taken in by this massive con. I’m betting that when the history is written about this whole episode the most fascinating part will be the degree to which people rationalized their faith in the religion of global warming.

Forgot to mention, this might be a good starting point:
http://www.climateprotectioncampaign.org/supporters.php
It’s a list of the funders of Sandler’s Climate Protection Campaign. Any of you have that many supporters? Big carbon has deep pockets apparently.

Here is a strange post with todays date:
Arctic mountains reveal treasure trove of ancient tools
Is headed with a picture of sea ice taken in JULY 2008 taken through a fisheye lens such that it looks like a satelite picture. Picture caption below.
“”Ice patterns are seen in Baffin Bay above the arctic circle from the Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker Louis S. St-Laurent Thursday, July 10, 2008. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jonathan Hayward)””

I have but two words to say to Mr Sandler. The first word is an Anglo Saxon word which would fall fall of the mod’s snippetty doo dah thingy. The second word is – off.

Good old Reg proving not all IT people are warmists.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/27/soil_microbe_peril_no/

Wot was that you said about Clog.

“ZT (21:31:27) :
[…]
http://www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.media.html
“OPT chairman Roger Martin said PopOffsets, launched earlier this month and thought to be the first carbon offsetting scheme to channel funds into family planning, had received much praise…”
”
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Does that mean if I plant Epicyte spermicidal corn on my farm I won’t have to pay carbon taxes??? Maybe I can get grants from the Rockefeller Foundation along with those from Rockefeller’s Population Council.

If the internet had existed during tulipomania, Dutch tulip promoters and those who had bought into the the tulips would be saying the same thing about those who were pointing out that believing flowers could be worth the value of a year’s wages are silly.
The dark side of this is that AGW true believers think that the science will be more sound if the sound of skeptics goes away.

My post last night didn’t get through.
I suppose it was just too much genuine information for them.

Old tactics, attack the messenger, not the message. Confuse the issue, obscure the facts, and then make the lie large enough only few would believe you’d dare to say such a thing.
It has served governments well in the past, at great cost.

Gixxerboy (02:25:09) :
…..Then there’s the truly bonkers “If there’s no action before 2012,” says Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Nobel peace-prize-winning IPCC, “that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future. This is the defining moment.”
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Rajendra Pachauri was actually speaking the truth. If the UN does not manage to get their world wide tax through NOW it will be too late. The sun is quiet, the ocean cycles are turning, the ocean heat “has gone missing” and the Hoaxsters are well aware the earth’s climate is not cooperating. Climategate, IPPC gate and the blogosphere have the neutrals (the majority of people) starting to question whether the politicians are pulling a fast one on them… AGAIN. Changing the chant from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change” shows they know the jig is almost up.

Amazing biased article.
Is it time for a solar update? Sunspots have stopped appearing and none seem on the horizon, based on STEREO.

For decades the media presented both sides of the debate evenly.
When did the debate occur.For years we’ve heard the debate is over but I don’t ever remember hearing of any.When you try to debate Gore and the rest of the globalwarming crowd they either walk away or cut your mike off .
And as for Katrina wasn’t that a record year for hurricanes ? But you never hear of the other’s .There were 28 either t/s or cat 1 to 5 hurricanes with 3 being cat 5 storms.Never no word on there other storms.The hurricane isn’t what killed so many in New Orleans.It was the levees which needed repairing years ago but the money was always spent elsewhee.

There was another silly article written the other day in the Huff post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/are-global-warming-volcan_b_550936.html
This is almost as much fun as when WUWT posted that Disco Bay post and everyone went on and commented on it LOL

It is only a matter of time before media-savvy greenvangelists get caught engaging in sleazy CO2 producing activity and must tearfully whimper and whine to their supportive audience, begging, and apparently getting, forgiveness for their nasty activities. They are burning down their own house of cards.
That said, it is rather fun to watch, point fingers, and giggle over their writhings.

The article is an insult, in many ways, to the own author who wrote it. Sorry to say but posting this in WUWT is giving the article a publicity that it does not deserve.

Thanks Anthony for drawing attention to Huffpos ravings.
When I see someone parroting the newly invented mantra about previous warm periods being limited and not global, I know they havent read the primary scientific literature, and are not sufficiently aware of the evidence.
In the four months I have followed the “clogged up” blogosphere, the rants, aggression and fanaticism seem to be concentrated at pro-AGW sites, whereas WUWT and other “denier” haunts seem to be more interested in facts and discussion. A pity the majority of the academic community hasnt woken up to this. But perhaps there is movement..
Keep up the good work of trying to use reason and information (while giving us a laugh from time to time at the expense of the nutcases… )

I must say, I’m disappointed with some of the comments here. I would suggest that calling AGW proponents “greentards”, “idiots”, etc. is neither productive nor informative. This vitriol, though perhaps a direct result of the methods used by some in the climate science community only reflects poorly on those of us who believe that there is room to question the science. As with Anthony’s practice of linking to realclimate while they refuse to match the courtesy, we are shown in a positive light when we stick to facts rather than vitriol. I too, often curse at the statements made against us. I try to keep it to myself though as it only serves to reinforce the stereotype that others are trying to imply exists. The next front in this battle looks to be civil courts. Our words will be used against us where possible. Consider whether you would like to explain your statement to a jury trying to decide if you are impartial or not before posting.

Speaking of “Consensus” and “the science is settled” Popular Technology dot net now has 700 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming listed.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

The biggest source of “clogging” is the IPCC report. It takes 3 more flushes.

Biggest news for some time… Australia’s dumped AGW as an issue to be dealt with
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/rudd-in-ets-backflip-20100427-tq37.html
By the time it comes round again (2013) temps will have been flat/cool and AGW will have long disappeared as an issue… LOL. This will have implications for nearly all developed countries which were going to get involved in the scam and follows the USA senate decision to basically dump it as well.

Mr Sandler should remember the old adage. It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear a fool,rather than open it and remove all possible doubt!!

Brad (06:05:10) :
Amazing biased article.
Is it time for a solar update? Sunspots have stopped appearing and none seem on the horizon, based on STEREO.
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I was just over at Layman’s Sunspot Count and saw something interesting. He thought he saw what might be reversed polarity but the update shows:
“…Day 18 once again looking strong. The rest of the world is 5 days behind the Layman’s Count clinging on to microspots in an attempt to persuade us all that the cycle is behaving as normal.
The high latitude plage area is now showing signs of being of normal polarity, with a hint of a dark region preceding. “
So the reversed polarity was just a false alarm. It is way too early for cycle 25.

By far biggest news is complete drop of AGW by Australian Government today. Worlwide implications for the whole AGW movement LOL

Did Sandler overlook nitpicking? I didn’t see any mention of making mountains out of mole hills.
REPLY: No, that’s your department -A

It is really a sad state of affairs that people buy this crap, and think they are engaged in a noble cause. Yet it is no more than selling out the prosperity of generations to come, based on an unsubstantiated theory. All the wasted resources directed toward this non-existent problem could be doing some real good in the world.

All this crazy sub-culture began in the 1960′ s with the “Flowers’ revolution” in France, with the “sub-terraneans” and “beatnicks”, with Pot and LSD, and last but not least, Fidel Castro’s cuban revolution.
BTW, just now, in History Channel, in its spanish version, are exalting the goodness of all these ideas, presenting them along the last ones: Evironmental “responsibility” and all “save the planet” crap.
It is for us all to decide if all this “mango and rice” political porridge will finally replace society as we know it or if we’ll sustain traditional values.

The solution to this is simple…. Everyone, follow my lead:
“Yes, there IS a climate”.
There. All those who joined me are no longer climate deniers, and are therefor no longer clogging the blogosphere.

Gail Combs (07:51:29) : What if uranus/jupiter conjunction and uranus/saturn opposition is braking NASA’s “timing belt” producing sunspots. If so, we’ll have to wait until november.

Of course the thought hasn’t occurred to Mr. Sandler that the bulk of opinion has shifted.

No I think he has realized it, thus, this panicked drivel.

Smokey says:
April 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm
The Russians — even the Russians — can see that Cap & Trade is an outright scam: click
Doug in Seattle says:
April 26, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Wow Smokey (21:03:09), that Mishin guy really tells it! I too know Russians, as I did my grad research there in the early 90′s. Those folks see everything in stark reality.
——
That Michin guy also says: To Save Russia, Conquer Georgia!
You are very desperate for allies?

Ed Caryl says:
April 27, 2010 at 8:10 am
Gail,
that list is a treasure! I bookmarked it.
I first saw it here at WUWT so thank Anthony. At the time it was only 450 they keep adding to it so its worth a revisit.

Pat Moffitt :
That’s the watermelon economy: Green from the outside and Red from the inside.
The trouble is that, in that anthill wonderland, or in that “Brave New World” Bee-Hive, the chosen Bee-Queen Mumy will surely be “Rolly polly Al”. “They” are (supposed to be) the ones, the most intelligent specimens of the human race, born to govern upon us, ill fated individuals, with scarcely any intelligence at all.
It will depend on each of us if we are to accept that.

_Jim says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:00 am
But when science and technology can be proven that the path we have taken is incorrect due to chopping individually science into sections with no cross-referencing, we have a problem. Our planet used all the resourses it had at it’s disposal to create a fancinating complex system.
Trying to understand this planet created a massive amount of theories with very little understanding of the cross-over interactions.
Example: Gravity is created from mass??? What is mass? What energy does mass have? I don’t see birds or worms stuck to rocks.
In order to understand gravity, you have to know how our bodies interact with the planet, the energies our planet creates , the absolute complexity of the interactions.

RE: What is mass?
Perhaps confined energy…

Gail Combs
So you have already noticed that there are A LOT of already signed binding agreements signed between the individual countries and UN agencies, from labor to health. Climate change is but one of the last nails on our civilization’s coffin.

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kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:34 am
That corn was a really stupid idea…
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sorry forgot the sarcasm off markings.
But I certainly agree with you. The originators of spermicidal corn and terminator genes for plants are the ones who should be up for criminal charges as Crimes against humanity not “climate deniers” As an American, I am ashamed to admit that the USDA is implicated in both.
I was aware that GMO genes can “transfer” thanks to this article: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/horizontalGeneTransfer.php

Enneagram says:
April 27, 2010 at 10:53 am
Gail Combs
So you have already noticed that there are A LOT of already signed binding agreements signed between the individual countries and UN agencies, from labor to health…
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I figured out the USA was headed down the tubes 20 years ago when I noticed the worker to government bureaucrat ration was getting way out of balance. That was thanks to statements made at a Dr Demming, Dr Juran and Peter Drucker seminar I attended.
I have been active in the WTO- Agreement on Ag/ Animal ID/”Food Safety” battleground for around five years. It has been a real eye opener following the threads back to their international origins. (Been giving me nightmares)

I believe Martin Luther King had the correct approach to conflict—his approach was peaceful and polite, but not silent. This is clearly the right thing to do and it has proven to be a winning strategy (Ghandi also used a similar approach). MLK was so sure of this approach that he had those that marched with him sign a pledge with the following points:
Pledge of Nonviolence
1. As you prepare to march meditate on the life and teachings of Jesus
2. Remember the nonviolent movement seeks justice and reconciliation – not victory.
3. Walk and talk in the manner of love; for God is love.
4. Pray daily to be used by God that all men and women might be free.
5. Sacrifice personal wishes that all might be free.
6. Observe with friend and foes the ordinary rules of courtesy.
7. Perform regular service for others and the world.
8. Refrain from violence of fist, tongue and heart.
9. Strive to be in good spiritual and bodily health.
10. Follow the directions of the movement leaders and of the captains on demonstrations.
Glenn Beck has posted this pledge along with the Five Principles of Nonviolence here:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/39452/
I’ll admit that since I took this pledge, I no long give “tongue-lashings” as frequently as I did. Those on the winning side of the argument don’t need to resort to questionable methods.

Gail Combs says:
April 27, 2010 at 10:58 am
sorry forgot the sarcasm off markings.
Eh, sarcasm on or off, still reads good either way.
But I certainly agree with you. The originators of spermicidal corn and terminator genes for plants are the ones who should be up for criminal charges as Crimes against humanity not “climate deniers” As an American, I am ashamed to admit that the USDA is implicated in both.
“Crimes against humanity” would be reserved for actual death and damages, but really, that comes too close for comfort. Like building an actual Doomsday weapon that really would destroy all life on Earth, then claiming innocence since you never intended to use it, then also saying there shouldn’t be any punishment since it was never used thus it’s not verified it really would have done that. Morons.
I was aware that GMO genes can “transfer” thanks to this article: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/horizontalGeneTransfer.php
Interesting read, thanks. I noticed GMO-related gene transfer in the news a while ago. But come one, gene transfer is a natural process. Viruses have been doing it for ages, acquiring genes from hosts. The flu bug has been jumping between species because of it. Whatever made them so sure they would stay only in their crops to begin with? “Theory vs Reality. Theory loses.”

RockyRoad says:
April 27, 2010 at 11:27 am
“I believe Martin Luther King had the correct approach to conflict—his approach was peaceful and polite, but not silent.”
I agree. However, over at Mike Sandler that doesnt work.

RockyRoad: However are any other suggestions allowed? as : Why not identifying the few, hidden behind the scene, (perhaps less than ten people), and make them effectively reconsider their ideas?. For example, to mock at them is a powerful way, as their ways are really ridicule and silly (like preaching “global warming due to CO2”), exposing them to light is a valid procedure, they shun before light as Al Baby before science. Light acts as a powerful catalyzer. Of course, there will be always some of a most stubborn nature…to them I would condemn them to watch, at least a thousand times, Al’s oscar winner movie “An inconvenient truth”. (If they vomit their guts out it will mean they are converted).

@ RockyRoad, April 27, 2010 at 11:27 am:
Just remember, nonviolence works against foes with a conscience. MLK Jr faced off against a majority who didn’t want a fight and wanted to do what was right. Gandhi went against the British Empire, not the then-current German regime. And I hope I’m not the only one who, every now and then, will pick up a “Made in China” product and remember Tiananmen Square.
Nonviolence is for going against a moral opponent who needs convincing that your cause is a moral one. If that is your only approach to any conflict, well, good luck with that.

Post normal science is their ultimate WMD against infidels.

Aye, and there’s the rub….
The entire AGW fiasco could be summarised as an act of economic warfare, dressed up in a psyops livery, promoted as Edutainment, but intended as a crushing moral and morale blow.
The kid with the magnifying glass, is giggling malevolently, as the ants scurry about trying to work out what the hell is going on.
At WUWT we’re wearing ten thousand plus sun block, welding goggles and hand held mirrors.
If anything erks those who would be emperors, its the decentralised, non local, pan-cultural counter to their machinations. The organic nature of the web has created an awareness, within humanity, quite unique in our history.
We now see each other, more and more clearly, the means of subtefuge by the criminal political class, is failing rapidly.
Where do we go from here? In the spirit of MLK, one and all?

So they’ll tax blogging too?

Obviously, MLK also encountered those that one probably wouldn’t consider “moral” adversaries. Indeed, he lost his life to one such person. However, it isn’t necessarily our stanchest foes that we need to ply with a peaceful, thoughtful, yet courageous and vocal approach–it is the general public. People like Mann, Hansen, and even this Mike Sandler and his cronies will likely never come to a reasonable understanding of either the science (I firmly believe it is beyond Sandler’s mental grasp) or the methods of civilized behavior. But that doesn’t force us down to the same level–such behavior doesn’t work against their opponents and neither would it work against our opponents. Uncivilized behavior merely puts us at the same level as the uncivilized and they use that to our disadvantage.
So what to do? Be civil, get up to speed on the science, and voice your concerns, both here and on other forums (one of my favorites recently is the Washington Post, where climate realist comments now far outnumber those of the warmers), and in letters to your elected officials. Talk to your neighbors, relatives, friends, and by all means, vote! Our target is the uninformed and from the frothy response from some of the warmers recently, we’re making a significant impact.

Helen Hawkins;
Nonviolence works with the immoral opponent as well – if for no other reason they simply do not know how to handle it>>
Huh? Yeah, that non-violence thing worked real good on Hitler, stopped him in his tracks, didn’t know what to do, just kept herding people into gas chambers while he thought it through. Genghis Khan really bowed to non violence, as did Attila the Hun. Pol Pot was really afraid of non violence. Osama bin Laden, now there’s a guy who has been terrified into hiding in a cave somewhere quivering in fear that someone will be non violent to him. When Argentina grabbed the Falklands, it was good old non violence (plus some aircraft carriers, harrier jets, submarines) that got them back for Britain. There were some non violent protests communism that so terrified Stalin that he killed 20 million people to stop them. Sorry, I love this blog, and it is absolutely the right way to respond to the warmists, but don’t forget that people without morals will take what ever actions they think they can get away with. Don’t forget that sometimes they kill to get what they want. Sometimes they leave no other choice but to respond in kind, which we must never forget. Which is why at the bottom of war memorials are most often inscribed the words:
“lest we forget”

Er, HufPo just may have redeemed themselves about .00001 percentage points on the laugh-o-meter scale posting this –
“…Acting on a tip received after passage of Arizona’s tough new immigration law, police have arrested Meteor Crater.
In a daring predawn raid, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and a team of officers swept into Northern Arizona and surrounded the landmark, which made no attempt to resist…”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-rivenburg/arizona-arrests-meteor-cr_b_551990.html
Just one question off the top – will I be taxed for exhaling excess carbon dioxide whilst laughing?

David,
You are right on many accounts but we need to be very careful that in our effort to destroy what is evil we do not become evil ourselves.
I am concerned about the way in which we use our words and our intellect on these boards. Nasty name calling and ever so clever tit for tat conversations do nothing positive in dealing with the AGW people.
Anthony’s approach with facts and civil behavior is the best and most effective way in dealing with ignorance – whether that ignorance is deliberate or not. This approach should be followed on all boards, gaining the respect of those people who still have an open mind about it.

Is it just me that thinks if Mike Sandler shaved his head he’d be Mike Mann’s twin brother?

well, Andrew Weaver claims the National Post newspaper poisoned the Internet about him, because its critical articles were linked/repeated by many.
Alarmists like catchy words and use them like sheep.