Guest post by Steven Goddard
Wikipedia Image of Disaster Movie poster
While volcanic ash falls on Britain, in yet another assault on reason, the Royal Society has warned :
In papers published by the Royal Society, researchers warned that melting ice, sea level rises and even increasingly heavy storms and rainfall – predicted consequences of rising temperatures – could affect the Earth’s crust.
I also watched the movies 2012 and The Day After Tomorrow, but apparently I didn’t take them as seriously as some – Zombieland was probably more realistic.
As the land ”rebounds” back up once the weight of the ice has been removed – which could be by as much as a kilometre in places such as Greenland and Antarctica – then if, in the worst case scenario, all the ice were to melt – it could trigger earthquakes. The increase in seismic activity could, in turn, cause underwater landslides that spark tsunamis. A potential additional risk is from ”ice-quakes” generated when the ice sheets break up, causing tsunamis which could threaten places such as New Zealand, Newfoundland in Canada and Chile.
Pleeezzz …. Even if these claims worth worth considering, it would take tens or hundreds of thousands of years for Greenland and Antarctica to melt.
Back in the real world we hear from the Icelandic Meteorological Service that the glacier is what is causing the ash :
Einar Kjartansson, a geophysicist at the Meteorological Office.believes the volcano has melted about 10 percent of the glacier
It still could take months for the volcano to burn through the rest of the glacier, to a point where the steam and ash would turn instead into lava, he said.
What he is saying is that the sooner the glacier melts, the sooner the volcanic hazards will subside. This must be tough to swallow for people who believe that world is better off when it is cold and icy.
ashes, ashes, ashes,
all airplanes stay down.
It’s time to sacrifice a few
virginsRoyal Society members to the volcano gods.I never saw Zombieland, but I did see atack of the Mutant Zombie Strippers.
Since when has science progressed in such a climate of Doom and certainty.
The science acadamies are no longer doing test to dissertation.
So why aren’t the Hudsons Bay lowlands (in Canada) are plagued by one earthquake after another?
Did these people not do grade 6 science or geography?
Northen Canda has been rebounding for more that 10 thousand years and will continue to rebound for another few thousand.
Loose 2 miles of ice and the crust just pops back to where it was in the first pace in a mere 20 thousand years, only to get pushed down again, by the next ice age.
Idiots.
I’m assuming there is geographical evidence of the reverse happening as the ice formed? After all, I would have thought that the compression of the earth’s crust would have equal or greater impact?
I have to wonder if the crust that they are really interested in is their daily one that goes so nicely with the AGW scaremongering gravy train.
New England has been rebounding from glaciation for 12,000 years. Where are the volcanoes? At the mid-ocean ridges, of course. Not mid-continent.
New Zealand is doing fine thanks, we’ll blow torch our glaciers and get our own bounce, …following Royal Society reasoning, if we move all the really heavy rocks of our land mass we’ll beat the hypothetical sea rise, altogether.
We could go one better and shove a few mountain ranges into the sea, and voila, our Island will float, like a boat made of rocks.
We’ll enter it in the America’s cup, which we’ll win, cos its hard to out tack a two thousand kilometre long yacht. Odd though, when the boat is the port..
See… a silver lining to every imaginary, computer modelled, lucrative, catastrophic, global calamity.
Did you hear about the smart vulcanologist? He graduated magma cumme laude.
So what did you think of 2012? Fun eh? It was after all likely what would happen if the Earth’s core did heat up to millions of degrees as the Goracle soothsays. I loved the movie, and the Day After Tomorrow, and Zombieland, and Knowing… a healthy dose of fantasy is, well, healthy as long as one doesn’t take it as reality.
That’s the problem. Many people think that fantasy and science fiction IS reality.
A public informed by fantasy, mythological beliefs run rampant, and the distortions of science fiction has potentially had a disastrous impact upon critical thinking skills. The “possible” becomes the it is what is going to happen. Just because one can conceive it it’s real, and to be feared. It’s just magical thinking.
In addition, there seems to be a “rush to publish doom-saying scenarios” in scientific papers, journals and articles to get that “hit” boosting a career.
Yes many “doom and gloom scenarios” COULD potentially happen. The question is what are the ODDS? What is the probability? What is the mechanism that would make it so? How likely is that? All the ice melting? How much heat energy would that take (a huge amount as this article talks about http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/02/22/how-could-we-melt-enough-ice-for-a-20ft-rise-in-sea-levels)? How long would it take? Could it realistically happen given our OTHER knowledge of the world learned with science?
It seems that the “real climate” procrastinators soothsaying doom and gloom actually are the real climate deniers as they keep forgetting that just because something could happen doesn’t mean that it will happen. They seem to forget that science can rule things OUT as well as ruling them in.
In fantasy it’s enough that because something could happen it will happen. That’s the fun part of many movies and books and stories. That’s the basis of faith based beliefs.
In SCIENCE it’s NOT enough that just because something is possible in “principle” or “theory” or is “hypothesized” to possibly happen that it MUST happen or even WILL happen. The probability of it happening needs to be quantified using not just “theory” or “hypothesis” but it needs to be based on evidence in the real world somehow. The evidence against it happening must also be explored and if left out of assessments likely means a biased and flawed analysis.
A must read for everyone dedicated to the principles of the scientific method.
http://pathstoknowledge.net/2010/02/19/cargo-cult-science-a-lesson-from-richard-feynman-for-scientists-of-today-to-learn
Even the frogs aren’t safe – and we’re not talking about French chefs:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/7606970/Frogs-threatened-by-climate-change.html
It’s been said several times that the reduced magnetosphere strength will likely have a mechanical effect on the earth’s crust, and thus volcanism.
Since it’s pretty likely that increased cosmic rays caused by reduced magnetic field strength and weakened solar wind contribute to cloud formation and cooling, it’s likely that more active volcanism is mildly related to climate change.
Our little corner of Northeasten Ohio is subject to “rebounding” quakes from the glacial retreat over 10,000 years ago.
We still have kames and bogs along with various moraines
dotting our landscape. In our immediate area we have hundreds
of feet of glacial till overlaying the bedrock.
We ride on top of the Laurentian shield as does most of Eastern North America.
There have been no known “tsunamis” reported in Lake Erie due
to such rebounding… which appears to be a slow affair even on
a geological time frame.
Iceland is at a confluence of tectonic plates… and more sujbect
to pressure from the motion of the plates and floor spreading
rather than pressure alleviation due to surface ice loss.
Regions riding on shields and platforms seem to be less subject
to rapid rebounds when ice is removed from the surface.
For major geologic shield regions, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield_(geology)
and:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_geologic_provinces.jpg
“Prof McGuire called for a programme of research focusing on the potential geological hazards that global warming could bring, with the leading body on global warming, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), addressing the issue directly in its future assessments.”
Professor McGuire, you had me at “Hello!”
Though not clearly stated, it appears that steam from melting glaciers is what is providing the lift for ash particles to reach atmospheric heights. Without the ice, there will be no steam to lift the ash. Ergo, no ash.
But wait…
If the land will be rising that much from the ice melting, then we won’t have to worry about the ocean’s rising! Duh! Just move north, it will be nice and toasty there anyway, right? And a kilometer above the ocean! Problem solved!
Oh, I forgot that now all the volcanos will be erupting from the increased magma chamber size….
Is every academic in Britain required to be a twit nowadays?
The changes required in the crust to make seismic and volcanic events more dramatic are far beyond anything we are likely to experience from the effects of CO2.
Apocalyptic predictions have an unblemished record of being wrong.
This is why, instead of new EPA fuel economy standards (ala Obama), they should encourage SUVs. The weight of the SUVs might just prevent that rebound in the Earth’s crust
pwl (19:17:40) :
I thought Zombieland was great. It demonstrated the power of Twinkies over evil.
North Dakota and Manitoba, Canada areas have also been rebounding since the last glacial. New York and all of the North East have also been rebounding. Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and any United States north of Nebraska latitude are ALL also rebounding. When was the last time you saw a volcano erupt in any of those regions other than Mt. Saint Helen’s or Yellow Stone?
this is great comedy!
Examining the entrails of a goose. the soothsayer pronounced.”…….”
Desperation is in the air, team global warming has seen the future. It is not good, for liars incompetents and fools. As a joke I shall propose that due to the lower solar activity, earth is cold and shivering.Hence the quakes. Watch CBC this will be the gospel by summer. What was it Mark Twain said about human stupidity? It just keeps getting better.
2012 was entertaining as Sci Fi, and I do like Science Fiction, but when the movie is over, it’s back to the real world. The part I didn’t like is how the 2 Russian characters had to die. The bad people are supposed to eat it, not the good guys.
The process whereby the earth’s crust rises after it has been depressed by any weight (be it ice, water, or sediment deposition) and that weight is removed (by melting, drainage, or erosion) is called isostatic rebound. The area innundated by Lake Bonneville is still rising, albeit more slowly now since the most rapid rebound happens just after the weight is removed. The same process of isostatic rebound can be detected in areas where the glaciers once loomed large, likewise at a decelerating rate. The earth’s crust sits atop a heavier, semi-liquid layer called the asthenosphere that provides buoyancy proportional to the density differences in the two layers–mountain ranges have deeper “roots” than do lower-lying plains; the two are comparable to logs and sticks floating in water.
I for one anticipate a calm, measured response from Joe Romm on this.
So long as people will only accept mindless extremism, I’d like everyone to note that the sun is going out (as evidenced by lack of sunspots). And I’d like to recommend that we placate it with a good old fashioned aztec revival: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/6540
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elgregein/3506075327/
I would suggest that the Royal Society members provide the first victims, but, they’ll end up running the affair.
I think I switched off my bullsh*t detector in 2012 about 2-3 minutes into the movie when someone talked about neutrinos mutating… it would have been impossible to watch the movie with the detector active.
At least in Zombie land they obeyed the laws of physics.
I am almost speechless. Ok I lied. I have lots to say just not polite enough to say it in public. I do truly value my professional reputation. To bad these people do not.
pwl (19:17:40) : ” So what did you think of 2012? ”
In a word? Terrible! Not only that, but 2012 had to be the worst movie I’ve ever seen! It bumped ‘The Mummy 2’ off my all-time worst movie list, which is saying alot because that movie absolutely sucked more than… Well, come to think of it, only 2012 compares to the Mummy 2. Anyway…
So the earth will ‘rebound’? More earthquakes and volcanos? One would think that we should welcome all the new mountains, what with all the sea level rise we’re going to have. But no. Warning, warning, Will Robinson!
Sheeze… Can’t we ever have any good news?!
rbateman (19:41:20) :
A few interesting items I noticed in 2012.
1. They drove from LA to Yellowstone for the weekend. That is a very long two day drive – one way.
2. They were camped in Yellowstone in December in summer clothes with mosquitoes buzzing around the tent.
3. After the sequence of huge and increasing earthquakes in LA, the mother calls up her ex and tells him she wants the kids back home in LA, where it is safe.
4. Woody Harrelson is operating a pirate anti-government radio station out of the parking lot at the campground in Yellowstone, half a mile from the military unit which is devoted to stopping people like him.
5. The Tsunami raised sea level across the entire planet to an elevation of 20,000 feet.
What worries me the most about the Iceland eruption is that we are witnessing how badly the precautionary principle has infected the regulatory world.
Also I note that the UN is at the center of the flight bans, with the European authorities relying on UN models and bureaucrats for their decisions. Why should I not be surprised.
The geology is, of course, immensely fascinating to me as that is my profession.
JDN (19:47:06) :
“I would suggest that the Royal Society members provide the first victims, but, they’ll end up running the affair.”
Yeah but if you pulled it off, who goes first?
I mean, whose contributed the most damage to the situtation, I see the Maths guru’s poiting fingers at the computer science boffins.
Should start with the soft subjects, like the fine arts, work our way down to the Economists.
I’m remembering my Great-Grandfather telling me of the same story the Chippewa, Winnebago and Potawatomi Indians told him of the 100’s of “fire mountains” throughout the Wisconsin area and the massive earthquakes that occurred for “10,000 moons” after the “People of the Fire” chased the ice back to its ancestral home at the top of “Mother Earth”….. Hey, come on! That’s as believable as the once great but never to be again, Royal Society.
BTW, wasn’t a Bond, James Bond movie? Society Royal… or something like that? (Sarc off)
A peak into the future… We may be better off than I first believed. Today I was a substitute for an 8th grade English class. One of the students mentioned Global Warming. It called to mind the recent news item about melting glaciers releasing pressure on the earths crust and causing more volcanos.
I asked if they understood what volcanos were and something about how volcanos worked. All claimed they did.
I asked if they understood knew what a glacier was and how it “WORKED” again they claimed they did.
Finally I asked for a show of hands. “Who thinks that melting glaciers could increase volcanic activity?” Of the class of 12, None thought Glaciers melting would affect volcanos.
This unofficial survey offers antidotal evidence that AGW believers aren’t as smart as 8th graders.
Some of you might try this with your students… We may be able to show they are not as smart as fifth graders.
Seems that there is more ash on the way:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267348/Iceland-volcano-eruption-New-ash-cloud-heading-UK-throws-plans-open-Britains-airports-chaos.html
Have I awoken to find myself in the Dark Ages ??
It seems I’m now living in the era of doom and gloom.
If it snows, it means we’re in trouble.
If it rains, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s dry, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s hot, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s cold, it means we’re in trouble.
If CO2 levels keep rising, it means we’re in trouble.
If we reduce CO2 levels, it means we’re in trouble cause we’re past the point of no return anyway.
It’s a horrible death we’re all facing here folks :
First will come the horrendous neverending storms. Then will come the inescapable mile-high rising seas. If we survive those horrors, next will come the tsunamis, earthquakes, and volcanic explosions. All the while, roasting in heart-stopping global heatwaves whilst billions are starving from famine, drought and toxic CO2 poisoning. And let’s not forget about those poor melting polar bears and bankrupt prostitutes…
Anthony is right. This is the stuff hollywood bigwigs like James Cameron would kill for to get his hands on the screenplay… Surely the special effects cashflow budget would be worthy of an Academy Award nomination !
Well, I’m sure Prince Charles concurs. LOL.
Anyone see South Park’s episode called ‘Two days Before The Day After Tomorrow’?
Yes, that show is an aquired taste but I find it is at least as perceptive as The Simpsons and that episode was brilliant. And more credible than this absurd wolf crying from Monty Python’s Royal Society.
” So what did you think of 2012? ”
Ridiculous science, but quite a fun roller coaster once you suspend disbelief.
A few years back the Geological Association of Canada (GAC) ran a column in its non-technical publication “GEOLOG”. In this column staff and GAC members wrote reviews of movies that had geological themes. The reviews included “Joe vs. the Volcano”, and other great classics of the 1990’s such Tommy Lee Jones’ LA set feature “Volcano”. Some of the reviews were quite hilarious.
“then if, in the worst case scenario, all the ice were to melt – it could trigger earthquakes.”………………..^^$&#&@%^@#$@&$@#@#%$#@ When did the science community decide weight on the topside halted plate shifts and pressure from underneath?????? Did I miss the memo? First volcanoes, now earthquakes. I know, once we figure out how to forecast earthquakes, we’ll all run to the spot and our combined weight will stop the quake and we’ll all be safe. Or a bunch of idiots would fall into a chasm, thus, enhancing the genetic pool of the survivors. Is it wrong to wish for that?
could the ash fallout have an effect on the arctic ice?
stevengoddard (20:00:30) wrote about “A few interesting items I noticed in 2012.”
I haven’t seen this documentary but I assume that it has been rigorously peer reviewed and accepted by the Royal Society. The evidence you noted seems clear.
“1. They drove from LA to Yellowstone for the weekend. That is a very long two day drive – one way.”
Indeed. That much CO2 may have been the actual tipping point. Forgive them Mother Earth, they know not what they do.
“2. They were camped in Yellowstone in December in summer clothes with mosquitoes buzzing around the tent.”
Obviously The Warming had kicked in by then. Further proof of how rapidly things can change once we reach tipping points.
“After the sequence of huge and increasing earthquakes in LA, the mother calls up her ex and tells him she wants the kids back home in LA, where it is safe.”
Classic denier behavior. This is why we all need the government, or even better the UN, to tell us what to do.
“Woody Harrelson is operating a pirate anti-government radio station out of the parking lot at the campground in Yellowstone, half a mile from the military unit which is devoted to stopping people like him.”
Woody works for Greenpeace, and they can do anything they want to save the planet. As long as no bears were harmed.
“The Tsunami raised sea level across the entire planet to an elevation of 20,000 feet.”
Well of course it did. Just look at The Warming in Yellowstone. It has all been predicted by the Royal Society, though because they are so cautious and conservative, they toned down the volume of water. Just like in Gore’s documentary. Don’t want to overly alarm the folks.
They would like to tell us where that water came from but they can’t. Global multi-national security. I’m sure you’ll understand.
My BS Meter is out of range again. I have to get something more powerfull so
I can calculate BS^3
Any ideas what will work??????? LOL
The Guardian is cheating on “rain-made” earthquakes.
It says: “Research from Germany suggests that the Earth’s crust can sometimes be so close to failure that tiny changes in surface pressure brought on my heavy rain can trigger quakes. ”
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/19/climate-change-geological-hazards)
I happened read the whole story in 2008, after some researchers claimed that the Sichuan Earthquake was induced by a dam nearby. Actually what the German group researched was totally small tremors, which formed after water accumulating in caves; they can only be measured by instruments and cannot be felt by human:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13371
Climate change or global warming can by no means induce hazardous earthquakes.
JDN (19:47:06) :
So long as people will only accept mindless extremism, I’d like everyone to note that the sun is going out (as evidenced by lack of sunspots). And I’d like to recommend that we placate it with a good old fashioned aztec revival: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/6540
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elgregein/3506075327/
I would suggest that the Royal Society members provide the first victims, but, they’ll end up running the affair.
I thought it was well known, if you want cold you call Al Gore to make a speech, if you want sunspots you get Anthony Watts to make a post about them.
And my favorite zombie movie is “The Revenant”. Saw it at a local movie festival. It could be called the irreverant revenant though considering the gratuitous use of language and just about anything else, but it was still hilarious.
Fitzy (19:12:13) :
Just make sure you don’t all go to one side, or it may ‘tip over’ (makes tipping movements with hand)…..
h/t Hank Johnson 😉
from FT
“Brussels admits scientific flaws in its decision to ground flights
By Pilita Clark in London and Joshua Chaffin in Brussels
Published: April 20 2010 03:00 | Last updated: April 20 2010 03:00
The crisis that closed much of Europe’s airspace for five days finally showed signs of easing yesterday as officials acknowledged flaws in the computer models that led them to ground thousands of flights after a volcanic eruption in Iceland.” hahahaha remind you of something?
Chuck (20:33:35) :
could the ash fallout have an effect on the arctic ice?
Only if the winds blew the other way (they are blowing the ash toward Northern Europe). In which case it would temporarily increase summer melt and then become an ash layer sandwiched in the ice.
Land rebound?
Have they factored in what that will do to the barycentric climate models?
Fitzy (19:12:13) : writes:-
We’ll enter New Zealand in the America’s Cup…
Careful of that bounce, son. Too much and the whole place may capsize like Guam!!
talking of fantasy, I am reading a book in which the military have placed a secret satellite in an ‘almost unique’ (sic) geostationary orbit over the north pole. Fantastic stuff! Even Newton would not have been able to figure that one out!
Chuck (20:33:35) :
could the ash fallout have an effect on the arctic ice?
No, not a chance………stop Chuck, you’re killing me!!!!……..sorry, wasn’t nice and I’m sarcastic by nature. Yep, it will have an effect. How and to what extent, no one knows. It may very well serve as a type of insulation and increase the ice. OTOH, because it’s darker than typical ice, it may absorb the heat and melt the ice, or it may absorb the heat and not transfer it. It would be a great study, sadly, I don’t believe one will come of it without being weighted by a bias or two.
Another great ‘Fantasy Movie’ moment – there was a solar eclipse (I forget how it figured into the movie now), and that very night the two main characters were smooching on a boat deck under a full moon. Loved that one.
Mack28 –
re Louise Gray’s UK Telegraph frog story – if u look at the Tele’s “Earth” page below, the story is linked no less than FIVE times! surrounded by warmist propaganda like the global warming triggering more volcanoes piece. the three main UK political parties are all in on the game, and having a delingpole blog and the odd booker piece is not the norm at the Tele:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/
an understated headline!!
19 April: BusinessWire: World-Renowned Experts and Heroes of the Environmental Movement Coming to Pittsburgh; Dr. Robert Bullard and Dr. Michael Mann Featured Speakers at PennFuture’s Global Warming Conference on May 2
Dr. Robert Bullard, often called the “Father of Environmental Justice,” Ware Distinguished Professor of Sociology and director of the Environmental Justice Resource Center at Clark Atlanta University; and Dr. Michael Mann, climate change expert and a lead author of the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Scientific Assessment Report, and Nobel Peace Prize recipient (along with former Vice President Al Gore and other IPCC scientists) are featured speakers at PennFuture’s upcoming conference on global warming set for Pittsburgh on May 2, 2010. The conference, “Creating a Climate for Justice” will be held at the August Wilson Center for African American Culture in Downtown Pittsburgh on Sunday, May 2, 2010 from 1:30 to 6:15 p.m…
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?
At 350 years of age in 2010 –founded by King Charles II in 1660 upon his Stuart Restoration– the Royal Society for the Improvement of Natural Knowledge has come full-circle to Carl Sagan’s “Demon-haunted World” (1995). No-one with the brains of a chicken any longer credits such manifestly stupid manifestos, disseminated as Climate Cultist propaganda in face of verifiable fact, in violation of basic mathematical and physical analytic principles.
The fact that a small coterie of corrupt officials and peculating academics continue to propagate this drivel speaks volumes about the state of objective, rational scientific inquiry in this delusional “post-normal” age. Reality bites… as our current Holocene Interglacial Epoch inexorably gives way to renewed Pleistocene Ice Time, what will poor Robin do then, poor thing? Hint: Request a Special Advisory from ye olde Royal Society, and do the opposite. Newton would retract his Principia in shame.
MattB (20:38:59) :
I thought it was well known, if you want cold you call Al Gore to make a speech, if you want sunspots you get Anthony Watts to make a post about them.
What if Anthony posts about a speech by Al Gore? Does the active sun negate the cold or is Al only speaking during the local winter?
ML (20:35:55) :
My BS Meter is out of range again. I have to get something more powerfull so
I can calculate BS^3
Any ideas what will work??????? LOL
Massive amounts of beer. Mind you, you have to work up to the proper level. Trying to get there from a tea toddler could be detrimental to your marriage and self-esteem, not to mention your bank account. Still, it works………..while you’re inebriated………, sadly, you still wake up to the realization that the whole damned world left it’s mind in the ‘lost and found’.
Does anyone remember this eruption? Where were all the scare stories surrounding this event? All the recent scare shit surrounding the Iceland eruption is for a reason. It’s to continue scaring the shit out of you and keep you living in fear.
Montserrat Volcano 1-7-07 2 Days Before Evacuation
Or something like that.
Richard Sharpe (20:06:48) :
Seems that there is more ash on the way:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267348/Iceland-volcano-eruption-New-ash-cloud-heading-UK-throws-plans-open-Britains-airports-chaos.html
I liked the last comment, to the effect that Iceland’s economy is dead and this eruption is the cremation ash.
“As the land ”rebounds” back up once the weight of the ice has been removed..”
Memo to Toronto Maple Leaf management- please have all personnel evacuate the arena prior to ice removal! Oh sorry…never mind, you’re all out golfing by now.
(Couldn’t resist, my team is still in the playoffs- Go Wings)
“pwl (19:17:40) : So what did you think of 2012? Fun eh?”
2012 was fun! You have to suspend any basic knowledge (of just about anything) for the duration of the film, but that is true of most disaster movies (and many of the adventure movies). There is lots of action, some clever plot twists (plot? why ruin it with a plot!?), some marginal character development, and great special effects. Some of it has the element of being tongue-in-cheek humor. Gives “made in China” a whole new meaning. Just because a movie is based on a ridiculous premise doesn’t mean it is a bad movie. After all, movies like Godzilla and King Kong are not believable in terms of science and fact, but are fun to watch and entertaining.
Another AGW prophet ranting about doomsday scenarios. Any day now I expect to see some of these wackos standing on the street corners wearing white robes and carrying signs predicting that the end is at hand.
Ok, ok, we’re now in a 1960’s Sci Fi, and I know which one!
It’s very intereting to read that the UK Met Office is using computer models to shut flights down. I hear on the news a second volcano has erupted.
OT, but in Western Astralia, we’ve had another quake, big-ish one too.
http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/kalgoorlie-rocked-by-50-quake-20100420-sqay.html
[snip -no mind control rubbish]
I thought that Australia should be rebounding, not from melting glaciers but from massive exports of iron ore and coal, when I found this……
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/20/2877497.htm
This is just to fend off the fact the Met Office computer model botched the cloud dispersal analysis. Same crooks at work: can’t figure out a volcanic plume dispersion but can surely predict drought in 2050!
I live in Winnipeg. A mere 8,000 years ago the glaciers receded, and we are still undergoing isostatic rebound we are at the epicenter of this kind of activity. This is also possibly the most stable part of the planet with respect to volcanic activity. Not saying it can’t happen here but I don’t think there’s a fault line within 1000km in any direction, hardly a hint of earthquakes originating here, and zero in terms of active volcanos.
If isostatic rebound occurs at fault lines and tectonic plate junctures, I can see some plausibility to this tenuous hypothesis, but let’s keep in mind that isostatic rebound is a SLOW process (thousands of years), and as far as I understand it, the process RELIEVES underground pressure rather than exacerbating it.
Soufriere Hills Volcano Eruption – January 8, 2010
Regarding the wolverine as the largest terrestrial weasel, the largest member of the weasel family is either the Amazon river otter or the sea otter.
There are two general rules worth consideration when reading papers on the subject.
1. If there is a sudden change, such as the forecast frequency of drought, and the onset is coincident with the date of the publication, beware.
2. If disaster forecasts are made and if they are forecast only for the plausible remaining lifetime(s) of the author(s), beware.
Such people are concerned with themselves as opposed to (say) geologists, who are taught to think of the Earth over a very long term. They more resemble gamblers who sit up all night when they think they are on a roll that will pay them handsomely.
Bulletin: Clouds of ash, smoke, and steam are now billowing from a new source in the US. No, it’s not a volcano. It’s the remnants of my BS detector which has pegged out and started melting down upon receipt of the latest Twit-o-gram from the UK.
R. Craigen (21:21:32) :
I live in Winnipeg. A mere 8,000 years ago the glaciers receded, and we are still undergoing isostatic rebound we are at the epicenter of this kind of activity. This is also possibly the most stable part of the planet with respect to volcanic activity. Not saying it can’t happen here but I don’t think there’s a fault line within 1000km in any direction, hardly a hint of earthquakes originating here, and zero in terms of active volcanos.>>
Sir, you know very well that we pile up all the snow from the whole winter of street clearing just off the Kenaston freeway and it is so deep that it doesn’t completely melt in the summer. We in fact have made our own glacier which mitigates the effects of the isostatic rebound. Then again we have no tsunamis or hurricanes either. This may be a side effect of our climate. It is so cold here that even the natural disasters won’t come to visit.
2012 ? get real, it’s an awful, awful, long, boring, stupid-as movie.
and DayAfter – the best part is when the paleoclimatologist achieves that amazing bit of mind-time bending convincing us that ‘it’s all our fault’.
and yes, I agree, that’s what it’s all about – ‘educating the masses’
but I wonder if the good doctor from Tavistock has factored in the merits of sacrificing some Royal Society virgins to appease the volcano to motivate the people. Of course, it’ll never work, but, oh never mind….
Climate scientists go through life with blinders on.
file under ‘spooking your dna’
http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/homes/s0456225/Storegga.html
rbateman (19:41:20) :
2012 was entertaining as Sci Fi, and I do like Science Fiction, but when the movie is over, it’s back to the real world. The part I didn’t like is how the 2 Russian characters had to die. The bad people are supposed to eat it, not the good guys.
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This.
Despite its obvious propaganda purposes, I actually enjoyed The Day After Tomorrow. As disaster flicks go, it had all the elements of a good film. But, it is, was, and always will be fiction.
I like Cusack as an actor, and will see 2012, because I enjoy good disaster yarns. I have to hold my nose a bit though, as Cusack is a bit of a liberal loon. I could have gone without the two-russians-dying spoiler though. 😉
I wondered how long it would take before this volcano is intertwined into global warming folklore as Kiliminjaro, the Polar ice cap, the Amazon and the Great Barrier reef.
I was thinking atmospheric effects being argued for years on end. Kinda threw me with the ‘ooh the heavy ice is melting and the crust is bouncing back’.
My inability to think out of the box like that must be the reason I don’t have a Phd and try and frighten governments for a living.
If the glaciers melt, forget earthquakes. The real danger is that continents may capsize as the weigth balance shifts. More research is needed…
/sarcasm
Carl Fogel (21:34:16) :
Regarding the wolverine as the largest terrestrial weasel, the largest member of the weasel family is either the Amazon river otter or the sea otter.
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If you don’t include Al Gore.
and relatedly, remember this one
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvDhvPm9l5fHqiHIU5uc6Gpzs-MAD9F4C2NG0
pat (19:16:38) : Is it ambivalence and apathy? Or are people paralyzed by feelings of anxiety and helplessness? What are the biggest barriers to individual’s taking action?
Perhaps it’s just that most people are a bit smarter than your average climate scientist (or psycho analyst) 😉
Hey, we’ve seen a lot scarier stuff from Hollyweird. They’re gonna need better special effects than a crummy blood red map if they want people to get excited. Also some stuffed bikinis and buff guys in torn shirts… Oh, and a DVD on Amazon with the out takes and some ‘directors cut’ material…
We must look at the reasons people are not acting in order to understand how to get people to act.
Well, I am acting… just not they way they want…
Northern Exposure (20:07:55) : Have I awoken to find myself in the Dark Ages ??
Not quite yet… About 10 more years to go. We’ve got to get to Phase Two of the Solar Extinction Grand Major Minimum … then the Barycentric Solar Oscillations will cause the earth to tip over as the Magnetic Pole shift happens due to the Electric Universal Field pressure on it… But there is still time to prepare. For only $4000 I will prepare and ship to you a Doomsday Survival Kit including dried grains, two shaped stones to grind flour, one pot, and a tarp for catching rain water. Oh, and matches too…
It seems I’m now living in the era of doom and gloom.
If it snows, it means we’re in trouble.
If it rains, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s dry, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s hot, it means we’re in trouble.
…
It’s a horrible death we’re all facing here folks :
I think it’s because monkeys are distant relatives of Rabbits… No, honestly.
We, as apes, are lacking in a decent tail. Bunnies have very short tails.
Onions are poison to many species, but people can eat them. My bunnies like to much on the green onions from time to time.
We have large “hind legs” as do bunnies.
Even the human appendix is a vestigial form of the ‘hind gut fermenter’ organ in bunnies (you don’t want to know how hind gut ruminants get the added vitamins and nutrients from that process effectively into their stomachs… makes you want to throw things at our proto-ancestors… but explains the use of ambergris in perfume… )
So I’d assert that we, like bunnies, are just hypervigilant about all the evil things that want to eat us or kill us…
My “free range bunnies” KNOW I’m the “bringer of food”. For at least 2 years I do nothing but bring food and water and make sure they are happy. They STILL run for cover at my approach… (though now they stop about 10 feet away and WATCH me put food in the bin… and run up at my departure …)
So just think of people as giant bunnies with no tail at all and stupid little round ears and it all makes sense…
Sadly, only the part before the bunny story is humor…
Patrick Davis (21:18:13) : It’s very intereting to read that the UK Met Office is using computer models to shut flights down. I hear on the news a second volcano has erupted.
A second on in Iceland? Or somewhere else?
OT, but in Western Astralia, we’ve had another quake, big-ish one too.
I’ve got a “live quake map” up at:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/quakes-a-bottoms-up-view/
The Perth area quake looks to be a 5.2 range. PNG was a 6.2, but that was a couple of days ago…
http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/kalgoorlie-rocked-by-50-quake-20100420-sqay.html
As the Public ”rebounds” back up once the weight climate alarmism has been removed – which could be by as much as a kilometer in places such as US and UK – then if, in the worst case scenario, all the PNS were to melt – it could trigger serious voter backlash. The increase in skeptic activity could, in turn, lead to valid science that could spark tsunamis of voter outrage. A potential additional risk is from ”fact-quakes” generated when the alarmist lies are exposed in new media, causing waves of enlightenment across the internet which could threaten socialist governments in places such as US, UK and Australia.
I hope it will trigger Scotland to separate from England, ;-}
“E.M.Smith (23:01:46) :
A second on in Iceland? Or somewhere else?”
I believe it was on Iceland, but I am not entirely sure, it was early (I was abruptly woken by the local fire department safety checkers doing their annual safety check on the apartment) and I caught the tail end of a newscast.
Might get more news tonight but I also vaguely recall a story/article of a volcano breaking the sea surface somewhere in the Pacific recently too.
My attempt at post-normal science:
When I inhale, my chest rises.
Therefore:
When the land rises, the earth will inhale. There will be a sucking sound out to sea, a huge whirlpool, and supertankers will be slurped down to their doom.
Could I have some funding please?
I want to make a docu-drama: “The Day The Earth Inhaled.”
when George Bush invented the axis of evil – North Korea, Iran and Iraq, who would have thought that Greenpeace, the WWF and the Royal Society would turn into such a danger for freedom, prosperity and humanity ?
The theroy is obviously that AGW causes volcanos and that without it no volcanos would ever occur again. If a volcano does erupt then it proves AGW.
The Digital Tectonic Activity Map (DTAM).
@ ML (20:35:55) :
you may want to try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ML_(programming_language)
http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/language/ml/
Ah well… if nothing else, it’s another one for The List!
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
When you have a volcano, inept politicians and eurocrats AND post-normal Met scientists against you…
…you know it’s not the time to be in the tourism business.
Royal Society?
Or do you mean Royal Psychopaths?
Just which one of the doom laden disasters forecast for the Earth over the last 2,000 years has actually happened? Just why is it that they are all set for some way off future point where they are completely unvalidated! It’s called soothsaying I believe.
Al Gored: “The Simpsons and that episode was brilliant. And more credible than this absurd wolf crying from Monty Python’s Royal Society.”
Al Gored that is a huge slur on Monty Python!
I think the accusation of “bandwagon-jumping” is unfounded. A publication such as this one must have been prepared long before the current focus precipitated by the volcanic eruption in Iceland.
I notice a Royal Society gets praised when it criticises the statistical methods of the CRU; another one attracts obloquy (with no scientific criticism) when it merely publishes scientific papers supporting the GW case. Surely the papers stand or fall by their scientific content, not by wearing a pro- or anti- GW “jersey”.
Someone’s biases are showing.
R Craigen writes ” … isostatic rebound is a SLOW process (thousands of years), and as far as I understand it, the process RELIEVES underground pressure rather than exacerbating it.”
From the Latin roughly, “iso” = “same”, “stasis” = “standstill”. Earth isostasy is a process achieved by a balanced state of pressure in the shallow earth’s crust. Pressure relief in one area means pressure increase in another, if one assumes an equilibrium to be present (it might not be, because of lag). Think of walking on a waterbed.
Silly question. Would not rebounding land counteract rising sea levels caused by melting ice?
Ashes to ashes,
Fun to funky,
We know Major Tom’s a junkie….
The following is written in crayon on brown paper:
Dear Care-Taker Prime Minister of Iceland,
Please stop throwing UK investor money into the Joes-Skull volcano to appease the angry fire dragon, the smoke is really horrid an’ the ash is spoilin’ my best white smalls as they dry on me clothesline.
Signed, Harold Smith – Slough, England, formerly Great Britain, but now,..not so much.
REPLY:On 150 gsm photocopy-paper in blue felt tip pen.
Dear Harold,
The smoke is actually members of the Rothschild banking Cartel, they smoulder rather than burn, we made the error of hurling George Soros on too, but since he’s already infernal, he does not manifest the combusting.
The Volcano is due to shut down, once the Icelander taxpayers get their money back, from crooked international banksters. So not soon.
Yours, Acting-Emergency-Most Urgent-We’re in the poop now-Comptroller,
Siguer Sigardsiguerson, last-stand-bunker, Iceland.
@Dave L (21:14:58) :
“Another AGW prophet ranting about doomsday scenarios. Any day now I expect to see some of these wackos standing on the street corners wearing white robes and carrying signs predicting that the end is at hand.”
Er, wasn’t that Copenhagen?
As a rider to my earlier comment on psychoanalysis and CAGW, Freudian therapists I’ve met have tended to be rule-bound, authoritarian and thoroughly unable to admit that other views than their own could have any validity. Scepticism is a psychological flaw for many of them. So the Tavi seminar hardly comes as a surprise – they will recognise fellow believers and condemn heresy with gusto.
Isostatic rebound doesn’t just start to happen only once all the ice is melted.
Geoff Sherrington (02:33:50) :
“From the Latin roughly, “iso” = “same”, “stasis” = “standstill”.”
Geoff, allow me to be pedantic once: both words are greek. Anyway, I’m almost sure the Earth won’t get warmer just because of a small mistake like that.
It is worth taking a step back and viewing all these cases of climate alarmism in the wider context of the way that society is becoming more and more risk averse. Frank Furedi wrote a good essay on sp!ked.
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/8607/
Although he was using the latest Volcano ash crisis, the same thinking lies behind all of our decision making processes. For our Royal Society, the idea that there may be earthquakes and tsunamis is itself a reason for shutting down our economies, because any risk of any unpleasant event is intolerable. Probabilities and balancing pros and cons and costs in risk assessment has all but disappeared, to be replaced by mere possibilities and extended downsides only.
It is not so much a reflection on the Royal Society, but on modern civilization, and the people we have become.
Hmmmm.
I’ve argued for years that the irrational levels of automatic respect people have for anyone with the title “scientist” needs to disappear. Let’s face it. There’s no licensing system to be a scientist. You don’t even need a college degree. Basically you’re a scientist when other acknowledged scientists in turn acknowledge you as a scientist.
It’s like a glee club but with neither the charm nor the organization.
And I’m personally very happy the RS has decided to implement a plan all on it’s own to completely and utter discredit scientists in general.
There is considerable concern and aviation disruption due to the eruption of the EYJAFJALLAAJOKULL volcano. Some scientific doomers and gloomers have again wrongly suggested that global warming is behind this eruption without doing their homework. An analysis of past Icelanding eruptions tells a quite different story. There were actually more eruptions when the climate was cold during the Little Ice age [1500-1800.] There is also another volcano in Iceland that is long overdue, namely Katla, that we should keep an eye on.
Icelandic major volcanic eruptions since 800AD
CENTURY –All Icelandic Eruptions [KATLA eruptions in brackets]
800 -1[0]
900 -2[2]
1000-0[0]
1100-2[0]
1200-5[3]
1300-3[1]
1400-3[2]
1500-5[3]
1600-4[3]
1700-6[2]
1800-5[2]
1900-3[1]]
2000-1[0]
TOTAL -40[19]
http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/largeeruptions.cfm
The analysis shows that there were fewer eruptions during the MWP and the current warm period and more eruptions during the LITTLE ICE AGE.[1500-1800 ]
KATLA is the dominant eruption [50% of all eruptions ] and historically overdue .Erupts typically 2-3 times a century but no eruption since 1918 or for 92 years. However it was also quiet for 276 years between 934-1210 AD or during the last warm period [MWP]
If Katla does erupt it is likely next year after current eruption of Eyjafjallajokul ends. The latter may continue in an active way and then in a more subdued way and then active again type of cycle for a year. This was the pattern 1821-1823.
Now I know what that hole at the pole was in the ice picture a while back. It was an ash hole. The Royal Society lives there.
Popular manias mean logical and ridiculous conclusions are alright as long as they are in support of the focus of the mania.
Let’s say you have some compressible material in a container topped by a piston and the piston is 1/3 down the length of the container. If the piston is raised to 1/6 down, the pressure will be less, not more. Wouldn’t magma tend to punch through the surface if it were under greater pressure? Wouldn’t it be under less pressure without the ice?
Why does the earht’s crust care about an extra mile of ice on top of it?
If the volcano with it’s 2000 degree lava can slice right through the rock and earth, melting it on the way, does anybody think the last mile of ice is even going to slow it down?
Wouldn’t it be better, to prevent steam explosions, if all the ice were gone? See, global warming can have big pluses.
Jimbo (02:35:05) :
Silly question. Would not rebounding land counteract rising sea levels caused by melting ice?
Careful with that crazy talk…the black helicopters are closing in as you speak. 😛
matt v. (04:53:25) :
Very useful information, thanks!
This link gives search results for McGuire’s papers in the Royal Society’s Philosophical Transactions A:
http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/search?fulltext=McGuire&submit=yes&x=33&y=9
A small point: SG’s lead sentence is a little bit misleading. The Royal Society has not issues a statement on climate change causing geological events. It’s journal has published articles claiming this.
Fitzy (19:12:13) :
We could go one better and shove a few mountain ranges into the sea, and voila, our Island will float, like a boat made of rocks.
We’ll enter it in the America’s cup, which we’ll win, cos its hard to out tack a two thousand kilometre long yacht. Odd though, when the boat is the port..
Guam may beat you… as long as they don’t capsize.
“What’s the worst that can happen?”
There’s a youtube video entitled the above. It supposedly puts forwards a convincing argument to actually ‘do’ something about global warming based on the worst outcome.
However, anyone with practical experience on decision making and risk analysis can see that the premise and argument is flawed and inappropriate for the scenario he presents. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people have been taken in by this overly simplistic argument. Additionally, this person is a teacher! If this is the mental agility of a teacher, I certainly feel the students are being brainwashed by such thinking.
I’ve been building up a retort to such an abysmal presentation, but just get so frustrated that this is seen as enlightened reasoning.
People aren’t stupid, but they are ignorant and undereducated on the whole. This means that they can easily be swayed by flawed premises and doomsday scenarios. When it is the ‘educated elite’ presenting such arguments, you end up with the blind leading the blind. How often do we hear that ‘so-and-so is not a climatologist and so has no understanding of the subject’?
I do see we are going into a dark age of enlightenment: I don’t think there’s a word for it, yet – a downfall of education; keeping (consciously or otherwise) people ignorant; developing a susceptibility to snake-oil treatments through fear/scaremongering.
How to spot Green Talk:
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-to-spot-green-talk.html
Having lived in the UK for a few short years I have come to realise how much religion affects UK society. In the light of this, I suspect the Royal Society’s editors are acting from its core group’s religious beliefs; i.e. the physical world is still ruled by the agents of their God and their Devil and bad stuff happening is a manifestation of their deity’s displeasure with them. The Renaissance was supposed to have ushered in the beginnings of the age of enlightenment and reason. A societal shift from God-centred thinking to reason-centred thinking typifies the Renaissance, but the movement seems to have slowed to a crawl somewhere and has not yet reached the editorial members of the Royal Society’s publishing house.
Another manifestation of religious belief getting in the way of reason is, according to a Kiwi mate, adding a new shrillness to the vitrolic put-downs the Guardians faithful Warmists bring to bear on any poster daring to differ from their viewpoint.
Re: Fitzy (19:12:13) :
“New Zealand is doing fine thanks, we’ll blow torch our glaciers and get our own bounce, …following Royal Society reasoning, if we move all the really heavy rocks of our land mass we’ll beat the hypothetical sea rise, altogether.”
Better be careful, start moving those rocks around and it might tip over and capsize…
Lets look at the premise that these disaster scares are based on:-
“In papers published by the Royal Society, researchers warned that melting ice, sea level rises and even increasingly heavy storms and rainfall – predicted consequences of rising temperatures – could affect the Earth’s crust.”
Melting Ice – as total amount of ice is stable, not relevant.
Sea Level Rises – the long-term trend of a slight increase in sea level has not changed recently, so not a great worry. The solar.lunar created tides move the ocean much more than the slow change to mean, so this is not a relevant factor.
Increasingly Heavy Storms and rainfall – no sign of the increasing storms, and while global rainfall has increased over the last few years, this will have no effect on the crust as our river network will run it off to the sea as it always has, so again, not relevant.
Predicted Consequences of Rising Temperatures – only slow warming for the last few hundred years as climate recovers from the LIA and no statistically significant warming for the last 15 years. The predicted rise in temperatures has stalled and only the GCM and statistical models are forecasting warming. All failed to predict the last 15 years, so have no predictive power.
No need to read further – premise dismissed.
If ifs and ands were pots and pans, where would be the work for Tinkers’ hands?
If there is a link between glacier and icecap recession and volcanic and earthquake activity, then certainly the RS study can show that in past when glaciers receded that there was correlating vocanic and earthquake activity.
Rod M (00:37:40) :
Too late Rod. Volcanic eruptions has been on the warmlist for ages. Ditto earthquakes.
DaveE.
For greatest stresses upon earth’s crust, I’m voting for (perturbations in) Celestial Mechanics. Anything powerful enough to alter the motion of earth is more than enough to result in a few fireworks here and there….
“cause underwater landslides that spark tsunamis”
the ice sheets break up, causing tsunamis which could threaten places such as New Zealand, Newfoundland in Canada and Chile”
First of Newfoundland in not in “Canada and Chile”. It is part of Canada
Next, as things seem to move in slow motion under the water, would underwater landslides realy spark tsunamis?
Finaly, the arctic is not a ice sheet that can break up. It is ice pack that is already a mass of broken up chunks of ice. I am not worried about tsunamis from the arctic ice. What are these guys degrees in anyway. I think it is marketing, not science.
BTW What did happend with the Catlin expedition?
Layne Blanchard (08:01:45) : Take a look at this
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28560923/Earthquake-Planets-2
R. de Haan (06:20:09) :We should pray for the next Katla volcano eruption ☺, so Katla and Eyjafjallajoekull (*) would beat by far anthropogenic CO2 emissions thus making any related taxation even more stupid, as it always was .
(*)Pasted name ☺
enneagram (09:29:33) :
We should pray for the next Katla volcano eruption ☺, so Katla and Eyjafjallajoekull (*) would beat by far anthropogenic CO2 emissions thus making any related taxation even more stupid, as it always was .
And we should pray that the policy makers will say what they are really thinking and doing. To them it is a great curse! 😀
From BBC ‘news’ website today
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8631775.stm )
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Promiscuous women are responsible for earthquakes, a senior Iranian cleric has said.
Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi told worshippers in Tehran last Friday that they had to stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.
“Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread adultery in society which increases earthquakes,” he said.
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No more wacky than saying CO2 causes earthquakes.
Oh, and there’s that ‘repentance’ thing again:
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Mr Sedighi was delivering a sermon on the need for a “general repentance” by Iranians.
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I’m just constantly struck by the parallels and similarities between organised religion and the UN’s climate change scare programme (the whole AGW thing).
Basically, they’re saying to us:
“You’ve caused this! With your SUVs and all your foreign holidays, your blatant disregard for the contentment of Gaia. YOUR carbon footprints have trodden all over the Great Mother Gaia, and now you must pay! [cackling laughter in background].
So, now, you’re not getting to fly anymore! [more cackling laughter in background]. Yes, it’s a little penance you must pay, your holiday ruined, air travel restricted.
So now you must repent of your sins and get used to having a shit life, because we’re going ahead with our plan anyway – whether you like it or not.”
Let $%^$£Gfvegrskull be a warning to ye all!
Sorry folks, it’s just that the stuff they’re coming away with these days, well, it has descended into farce, it really has.
Zeke the Sneak (09:43:34) :policy makers will say what they are really thinking and doing
They just obey and excecute their masters’ will.
Jeff in Ctown (Canada) (08:12:10) :
“Next, as things seem to move in slow motion under the water, would underwater landslides realy spark tsunamis?”.
I think the answer to that is yes.
It’s all about displacement.
We should not loose track of other world wide active volcanoes as well. Here is a list of all major eruptions [ 5 VEI AND UP] since 800 AD. More recently we are having a major eruptions about 1.2 per decade[12 in the 1900’s]
ALL MAJOR VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS BY CENTURY
[LEVEL 5 AND UP ( PER VOLCANIC EXPLOSIVITY INDEX OR VEI) IN BRACKETS]
800 -20[3]
900 -10[3]
1000-12[5]
1100 -8[3]
1200 -9[2]
1300-14[3]
1400-13[5]
1500-21[4]
1600-32[12]
1700-35[4]
1800-44[8]
1900-79[12]
2000-?
TOTAL 297[64]
Better record keeping and detection could account for some of the recent increase especially the 1900’s increase when compared to previous eruptions.
There are about 39 Volcanoes with active eruptions in 2010 world wide
All data from
http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/largeeruptions.cfm
Note There about 33 Volcanoes[Holocene] in the Iceland and Arctic region
Here is the real cause of all the earthquake activity.
Just remember, you read it here first.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life/relationships/man-woman/Extramarital-sex-causes-earthquakes/articleshow/5835086.cms
Mack28 (19:18:36) :
Even the frogs aren’t safe – and we’re not talking about French chefs:
“But this sensitivity to the local environment makes frogs particularly vulnerable to climate change. Even modest predictions for Britain, that will see temperatures rise by around 2C (3.6F) over the next 50 years, will be too much for the frogs to cope with.”
Right. Frogs were around before there was *grass* on earth, but they can’t possibly survive a temperature increase of four-tenths of a degree Cee per decade.
There’s obviously not enough chlorine in the gene pool…
Jack Simmons (11:31:26) :
Here is the real cause of all the earthquake activity
Here, too, from an Indian University (no joke):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28560923/Earthquake-Planets-2
Green loons again:
Bidding process on huge Amazon dam suspended again
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100420/ap_on_bi_ge/lt_brazil_amazon_dam
I went to see 2012 with my kids and brother.
One moviegoer next to us got enraged at the amount of laughter generated in our row of seats. It was so far over the top that we couldn’t stop laughing.
The morbid scene of building crashing down with people hanging out of the broken structures while the bozos in the plane magically managed to avoid every disaster headed their way was just too unbelievable to be taken seriously.
To borrow some “logic” from the Hon Congressional Rep Johnson from Decatur, GA when he questioned the Admiral heading Pacific Operations before the Armed Services Committee, ‘should we not be concerned with all these additional people in Great Britain due to cancelled flights that the island may flip over, capsize?’ Yes, he actually said that in reference to adding 8000 more troops in the pacific, Guam, I believe. But he was just kidding, says his office. I saw the video. Stoned, maybe, kidding, no. These people are in charge, so why all the surprise that science is no longer scientific?
It is very disheartening to see the Royal Society abandoning real science and entering the realm of Hollywood science fiction. In a desperate bid to stay relevant they are grasping at straws and it appears any straw will do. This is getting embarassing.
The real cause of Earthquakes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8631775.stm
I’m waiting for some knowledgeable papers from the Royal Society, explaining that Global Warming makes girls go round in skimpy clothes.
When I was a lad in high school, 1949-1953, I thought, “How nice it is to live in an age of reason.” Then Rachel Carlson got her book “Silent Spring” published in 1962,, and the age of reason quickly turned into the age of alarmism, and has continued to deteriorate ever since. Alarmism has become the cash cow for PhDs in universities and for government bureaucrats. It is far past the time when these surplus PhDs and bureaucrats had to do useful work that actually accomplished something. We, the taxed public, are paying huge sums of our money to support what are no more than very expensive personal hobbies.
Alarmism has become the cash cow for PhDs in universities
I think it’s the getting laid part that keeps the market going.
LarryOldTimer
Alarmism has become the cash cow for PhDs in universities>>
What? They’re using the ash to raise cash? The ash comes from a hole in the ground? So they are throwing our cash into the hole and all we get is the ash? Is that what they mean by burning cash? Holy cow. Does anyone know how many cash cows the ash hole can absorb? Do cash cows emitt methane like regular cows? Might the methane collect and explode, spewing ash and cash and cows? Would this damage the hole? Does the hole have feelings? Does it feel pain? Would it sue, demanding more cash for the resulting Royal pain in the ash hole?
Have to go now, wife being very insistant I take my medication.
so why not just be like some Ozzies and have a positive attitue to volcanic ash?
says Iceland’s volcanic carbon emissions are good news for plant growth and the current eruptions give an indication of the potential for carbon emissions from future volcanos.
“We are living in a period of volcanic quiescence, as we haven’t had a dirty big eruption since 1912; and this is a small eruption but it is giving us the window into what a very big eruption would be like.”
http://just-me-in-t.blogspot.com/2010/04/volcano-climate-change.html