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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING NEWS: scientist admits IPCC used fake data to pressure policy makers</title>
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		<title>By: Garrison</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garrison]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good info. Where can I get more information about this. keep it coming. ta]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good info. Where can I get more information about this. keep it coming. ta</p>
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		<title>By: j kross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[j kross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 04:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Al Gore should surrender his Nobel PP to the CRU hacker who saved the world trillions and from lies, deceit, fraud and burdensome taxes. Find him and crown him. We want to honor the Honorable Hacker. His services to the world and its people should not go unrewarded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore should surrender his Nobel PP to the CRU hacker who saved the world trillions and from lies, deceit, fraud and burdensome taxes. Find him and crown him. We want to honor the Honorable Hacker. His services to the world and its people should not go unrewarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Hoax</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Hoax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of a quote, &quot;If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it.&quot; Adolf Hitler

Excellent work on keeping this info out there!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a quote, &#8220;If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it.&#8221; Adolf Hitler</p>
<p>Excellent work on keeping this info out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Yar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that AGW science and journalism have both been reduced to the same modern standards and methods.
Which are,  repeat what you hear and don&#039;t bother to check the facts or data.
Scientitists used to test data to determine if theories were correct, now they adjust the facts to fit the theories for profiteering. ( Psuedo science ).
Journalists used to dig for the truth of a story, now they just report hearsay, gossip and make up lies just to get into print and bolster their own beliefs.        ( Psuedo journalism).
How can we trust either anymore?
PS. Every one who comments should end the comment with ( I want my tax dollars back from this scam) and send the same to their politicians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that AGW science and journalism have both been reduced to the same modern standards and methods.<br />
Which are,  repeat what you hear and don&#8217;t bother to check the facts or data.<br />
Scientitists used to test data to determine if theories were correct, now they adjust the facts to fit the theories for profiteering. ( Psuedo science ).<br />
Journalists used to dig for the truth of a story, now they just report hearsay, gossip and make up lies just to get into print and bolster their own beliefs.        ( Psuedo journalism).<br />
How can we trust either anymore?<br />
PS. Every one who comments should end the comment with ( I want my tax dollars back from this scam) and send the same to their politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: cmblake6</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cmblake6]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Superb. Short and sweet, right to the point! Love it. And these comments reflect the feeling of the people. Love it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb. Short and sweet, right to the point! Love it. And these comments reflect the feeling of the people. Love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Rekindle America, IL</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rekindle America, IL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi these  liberal fanatics just are trying to create a New industrial era for Global economic power. They see this as a solution for total control of all people in all countries. The rich will get richer and everyone will be their slave, to the new rules and regulations. Wake up America ask questions and look for the truth, Hey where&#039;s Al Gore hiding under a rock somewhere warm. He should be giving back the Nobel Peace prize. People fall for scams all the time they are blind sighted by the media and forced indoctrination in the schools where they have control in pushing their false agendas. This is just my opinion. I would be glad to be wrong but I have a gut feeling that I am correct. thanks for the opportunity to  air my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi these  liberal fanatics just are trying to create a New industrial era for Global economic power. They see this as a solution for total control of all people in all countries. The rich will get richer and everyone will be their slave, to the new rules and regulations. Wake up America ask questions and look for the truth, Hey where&#8217;s Al Gore hiding under a rock somewhere warm. He should be giving back the Nobel Peace prize. People fall for scams all the time they are blind sighted by the media and forced indoctrination in the schools where they have control in pushing their false agendas. This is just my opinion. I would be glad to be wrong but I have a gut feeling that I am correct. thanks for the opportunity to  air my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: wham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is there any law in UN / or EU /US to fix the deliberate liars, manipulators, and
fixers of their own agenda as of UN.... Panel is shattering .... cracks widening
warm world is turning ice cold..see unusual snow in NH, and glaciers are disappering by 2035..
Great.... 

must have a body to regulate filth in science]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is there any law in UN / or EU /US to fix the deliberate liars, manipulators, and<br />
fixers of their own agenda as of UN&#8230;. Panel is shattering &#8230;. cracks widening<br />
warm world is turning ice cold..see unusual snow in NH, and glaciers are disappering by 2035..<br />
Great&#8230;. </p>
<p>must have a body to regulate filth in science</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Darrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I didn’t have to wait too long for someone to tout the widespread subzero conditions as evidence of global warming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But generally only in response to the &quot;gee, today is cold, so the last hundred years of climate measurement doesn&#039;t count&quot; claims.

Darrell&#039;s Law of Climate Change Debate notes that any change in the weather will be touted by climate change critics as refutation of all evidence of climate change; when scientists point out that severe weather can be evidence of climate change, critics will dismiss it as &quot;I told you they&#039;d say that.&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Guess what Ed, I don&#039;t care what you think. You warmists are becoming global laughingstocks.

 Watts law of climate change: you are being led by idiots with no scruples:

IPCC now in Bizarroland: Pachauri releases “smutty” romance novel
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/30/ipcc-now-in-bizzaroland-pachauri-releases-smutty-romance-novel/

Go ahead Ed, spin that to the moon !

- Anthony Watts]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I didn’t have to wait too long for someone to tout the widespread subzero conditions as evidence of global warming.</p></blockquote>
<p>But generally only in response to the &#8220;gee, today is cold, so the last hundred years of climate measurement doesn&#8217;t count&#8221; claims.</p>
<p>Darrell&#8217;s Law of Climate Change Debate notes that any change in the weather will be touted by climate change critics as refutation of all evidence of climate change; when scientists point out that severe weather can be evidence of climate change, critics will dismiss it as &#8220;I told you they&#8217;d say that.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Guess what Ed, I don&#8217;t care what you think. You warmists are becoming global laughingstocks.</p>
<p> Watts law of climate change: you are being led by idiots with no scruples:</p>
<p>IPCC now in Bizarroland: Pachauri releases “smutty” romance novel<br />
<a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/30/ipcc-now-in-bizzaroland-pachauri-releases-smutty-romance-novel/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/30/ipcc-now-in-bizzaroland-pachauri-releases-smutty-romance-novel/</a></p>
<p>Go ahead Ed, spin that to the moon !</p>
<p>- Anthony Watts</p>
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		<title>By: Con Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Con Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let us stick to facts.The rigors of scientific discipline demand ,inter alia,that a theory or hypothesis imply the kind of evidence that would prove it wrong.Predictions based on the theory are checked against the facts.If something happens that shouldn&#039;t have,and vice versa,the theory is discarded.The principal AGW alarmists themselves lament that they cannot explain the lack of warming.Ergo the AGW theory has been discredited.I didn&#039;t have to wait too long for someone to tout the widespread subzero conditions as evidence of global warming Little wonder that the ETS was comprehensively rejected in the Australian parliament.The position of purveyors of nonsense will always be untenable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us stick to facts.The rigors of scientific discipline demand ,inter alia,that a theory or hypothesis imply the kind of evidence that would prove it wrong.Predictions based on the theory are checked against the facts.If something happens that shouldn&#8217;t have,and vice versa,the theory is discarded.The principal AGW alarmists themselves lament that they cannot explain the lack of warming.Ergo the AGW theory has been discredited.I didn&#8217;t have to wait too long for someone to tout the widespread subzero conditions as evidence of global warming Little wonder that the ETS was comprehensively rejected in the Australian parliament.The position of purveyors of nonsense will always be untenable.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie A</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Veronica 03:46:54 -   Serious scientific papers about the hydrology of the Himalayan basin don&#039;t agree with the IPCC AR4 conclusions about the effect the loss of glaciers would have.

&quot;Role of glaciers in watershed hydrology:
“Himalayan catchment” perspective&quot; at http://www.the-cryosphere-discuss.net/3/443/2009/tcd-3-443-2009-print.pdf is a typical example.

Throughout the article are comments about how the AR4 fails to distinguish between typical alpine glaciers and Himalayan glaciers.  One key difference is that in the Himalayas, the peak in precipitation comes during the summer monsoon, so peak glacier melting and peak precipitation more or less coincide. 

The low river flow season is winter, when glacier melt is not as high.  This is very different than many alpine glacier systems where there is little precipitation in summer, and the summer glacier melt significantly increase the yearly summer low flow.

The above linked article is a good review of the different sections of the himalaya and how the yearly precipitation river flows vary annually.   There are really 3 different regimes, with the classic alpine being the smallest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Veronica 03:46:54 &#8211;   Serious scientific papers about the hydrology of the Himalayan basin don&#8217;t agree with the IPCC AR4 conclusions about the effect the loss of glaciers would have.</p>
<p>&#8220;Role of glaciers in watershed hydrology:<br />
“Himalayan catchment” perspective&#8221; at <a href="http://www.the-cryosphere-discuss.net/3/443/2009/tcd-3-443-2009-print.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-cryosphere-discuss.net/3/443/2009/tcd-3-443-2009-print.pdf</a> is a typical example.</p>
<p>Throughout the article are comments about how the AR4 fails to distinguish between typical alpine glaciers and Himalayan glaciers.  One key difference is that in the Himalayas, the peak in precipitation comes during the summer monsoon, so peak glacier melting and peak precipitation more or less coincide. </p>
<p>The low river flow season is winter, when glacier melt is not as high.  This is very different than many alpine glacier systems where there is little precipitation in summer, and the summer glacier melt significantly increase the yearly summer low flow.</p>
<p>The above linked article is a good review of the different sections of the himalaya and how the yearly precipitation river flows vary annually.   There are really 3 different regimes, with the classic alpine being the smallest.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veronica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David

There&#039;s nothing wrong with hessian shopping bags!  It surely must be a good idea to keep plastics out of landfill / the oceans / dolphins&#039; stomachs.  Just because the evidence for global warming is dodgy, lets not throw out the enviromentally-friendly baby with the carbon-dioxide-infested bathwater.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with hessian shopping bags!  It surely must be a good idea to keep plastics out of landfill / the oceans / dolphins&#8217; stomachs.  Just because the evidence for global warming is dodgy, lets not throw out the enviromentally-friendly baby with the carbon-dioxide-infested bathwater.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veronica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8481856.stm

I particlarly enjoyed this bit although it needs to be taken in context:

&quot;A recent study for the World Bank has shown that the volume of water resulting from glacial melt in Nepal makes up less than 5% of the flows of rivers leaving the country and contributing to the Ganges downstream. 

&quot;That is, about 95% or more of the river flow is the result of rain and melting seasonal snow,&quot; said report co-author Richard Armstrong, a glaciologist from the University of Colorado at Boulder in the US. 

If that is true, rivers downstream of the eastern Himalayas will hardly be affected, even if the glaciers recede or disappear.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>I particlarly enjoyed this bit although it needs to be taken in context:</p>
<p>&#8220;A recent study for the World Bank has shown that the volume of water resulting from glacial melt in Nepal makes up less than 5% of the flows of rivers leaving the country and contributing to the Ganges downstream. </p>
<p>&#8220;That is, about 95% or more of the river flow is the result of rain and melting seasonal snow,&#8221; said report co-author Richard Armstrong, a glaciologist from the University of Colorado at Boulder in the US. </p>
<p>If that is true, rivers downstream of the eastern Himalayas will hardly be affected, even if the glaciers recede or disappear.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Knights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; KLR (00:02:08) :

EXCLUSIVE: UN scientist refutes Daily Mail claim he said Himalayan glacier error was politically motivated « Climate Progress

&lt;blockquote&gt;Lal’s phone number is easy to find online, and I called him myself, even though it was after midnight in India (I hoped he was on travel), but he answered it immediately.

He said these were “the most vilest allegations” and denied that he ever made such assertions. He said “I didn’t put it [the 2035 claim] in to impress policymakers…. We reported the facts about science as we knew them and as was available in the literature.”

He told me: 

Our role was to bring out the factual science. The fact is the IPCC has been very conservative.
 &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
He&#039;ll be in hot water if the &lt;i&gt;Daily Mail&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; David Rose taped his interview with him. If Rose can prove Lal wrong, then it&#039;ll be hard to believe Lal&#039;s claim that he didn&#039;t receive Kaser&#039;s warning about the absurdity of the IPCC&#039;s melted-by-2035 statement.

My guess, if Rose has got him on tape, is that Lal will then spin it by saying that impressing policymakers was only a &lt;i&gt;secondary&lt;/i&gt; consideration -- hardly worth mentioning, really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> KLR (00:02:08) :</p>
<p>EXCLUSIVE: UN scientist refutes Daily Mail claim he said Himalayan glacier error was politically motivated « Climate Progress</p>
<blockquote><p>Lal’s phone number is easy to find online, and I called him myself, even though it was after midnight in India (I hoped he was on travel), but he answered it immediately.</p>
<p>He said these were “the most vilest allegations” and denied that he ever made such assertions. He said “I didn’t put it [the 2035 claim] in to impress policymakers…. We reported the facts about science as we knew them and as was available in the literature.”</p>
<p>He told me: </p>
<p>Our role was to bring out the factual science. The fact is the IPCC has been very conservative.
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<p>He&#8217;ll be in hot water if the <i>Daily Mail&#8217;s</i> David Rose taped his interview with him. If Rose can prove Lal wrong, then it&#8217;ll be hard to believe Lal&#8217;s claim that he didn&#8217;t receive Kaser&#8217;s warning about the absurdity of the IPCC&#8217;s melted-by-2035 statement.</p>
<p>My guess, if Rose has got him on tape, is that Lal will then spin it by saying that impressing policymakers was only a <i>secondary</i> consideration &#8212; hardly worth mentioning, really.</p>
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		<title>By: KLR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KLR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/25/un-scientist-refutes-daily-mail-claim-himalayan-glacier-2035-ipcc-mistake-not-politically-motivated/#more-17890&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EXCLUSIVE: UN scientist refutes Daily Mail claim he said Himalayan glacier error was politically motivated « Climate Progress&lt;/a&gt;

Lal’s phone number is easy to find online, and I called him myself, even though it was after midnight in India (I hoped he was on travel), but he answered it immediately.

He said these were “the most vilest allegations” and denied that he ever made such assertions.  He said “I didn’t put it [the 2035 claim] in to impress policymakers….  We reported the facts about science as we knew them and as was available in the literature.”

He told me:

    Our role was to bring out the factual science.  The fact is the IPCC has been very conservative.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/25/un-scientist-refutes-daily-mail-claim-himalayan-glacier-2035-ipcc-mistake-not-politically-motivated/#more-17890" rel="nofollow">EXCLUSIVE: UN scientist refutes Daily Mail claim he said Himalayan glacier error was politically motivated « Climate Progress</a></p>
<p>Lal’s phone number is easy to find online, and I called him myself, even though it was after midnight in India (I hoped he was on travel), but he answered it immediately.</p>
<p>He said these were “the most vilest allegations” and denied that he ever made such assertions.  He said “I didn’t put it [the 2035 claim] in to impress policymakers….  We reported the facts about science as we knew them and as was available in the literature.”</p>
<p>He told me:</p>
<p>    Our role was to bring out the factual science.  The fact is the IPCC has been very conservative.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Graham Dick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graham Dick]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed Darrell (12:05:36) :

&quot; If you have a natural cause, posit it. &quot;

Alarmists own the CO2-AGW hypothesis, weak though it ever was.  The onus is theirs to prove it.   Applying scientific rigour, not politically inspired bias, their own efforts have soundly disproved the hypothesis once and for all.]]></description>
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<p>&#8221; If you have a natural cause, posit it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Alarmists own the CO2-AGW hypothesis, weak though it ever was.  The onus is theirs to prove it.   Applying scientific rigour, not politically inspired bias, their own efforts have soundly disproved the hypothesis once and for all.</p>
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