Comments on: Hockey stick observed in NOAA ice core data

By: Henry Pool

Henry Pool — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:04:20 +0000

@ Wolfgang
sorry, one thing about wattsupwithtaht.com: there are an awful amount of postings and so much information to digest. If you (like me) are interested in global cooling, follow us now here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/11/ipcc-scientist-global-cooling-headed-our-way-for-the-next-30-years#comments

By: Wolfgang

Wolfgang — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:28:03 +0000

@ Henry Pool

Thank you for your answer…another thing I learned. :-)

By: Henry Pool

Henry Pool — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:34:04 +0000

Dr Climate, I like the graph, but I just want to be sure about the y axis. Is the unit on the y axis degrees C /100?

By: DrClimate

DrClimate — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:22:07 +0000

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/584/19982009.jpg

By: Henry Pool

Henry Pool — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:37:49 +0000

Hi Wolfgang

I think this is due to the orbital position of earth, e.g.. the Milankovitch cycles.

By: Wolfgang

Wolfgang — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:35:44 +0000

There seems to be an overall periodicity in the long-term, cf. the last plot. What is the cause for that? The sun?

By: Johan Sterk, Amsterdam

Johan Sterk, Amsterdam — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:49:15 +0000

How the Americans made ‘poppycock’ out of the Dutch word ‘pappekak’ (thin fluid shit) is beyond me, but may be the right word in this context. The world is covered with assholes and pink baby shit after all.

By: Bros

Bros — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:38:47 +0000

Anyone notice that the graph stops at 1900?

By: Luke (Holland)

Luke (Holland) — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:45:45 +0000

Great, hope some politicians will understand this as well. Truth is that All knows how to manipulate those dumheads.

By: ryan

ryan — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:24:36 +0000

omg

By: Henry Pool

Henry Pool — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:44:33 +0000

John!
here is an another example of that tipping point I spoke to you about

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/04/coal-creek-redux/#more-14815

watch this space: global cooling is coming. it is real. and this time it is not a hoax (like global warming).

By: Henry Pool

Henry Pool — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:27:04 +0000

John, the point of the graphs was just to show that climate does not stand still. The last graph (from Antarctic ice) shows this better.We must be thankful that we have a warm period. From the graphs, it would seems we are due for dip. I hope this has not already started. I heard someone complaining thet they have the evidence of “global warming” lying on the streets, for weeks now. By the way, it seems that the cold weather that the northern hemisphere is experiencing seems pretty global. Even here in South Africa it is a cooler than usual. It means that that tipping point that we all talked about (which happens to coincide with an increase earth albedo) and which started in 2003 has been again confirmed. I predict that soon we will be talking about global cooling and how we can protect earth from falling into a little ice age.

By: John

John — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:15:58 +0000

The data, by your own admission, give ” us about as close as we can come to a direct, experimental measurement of temperature at that one spot”.

At that one spot? I thought global warming was, um, global, not at one spot. I don’t understand, therefore, how these diagrams are refutations of global warming.

By: Oslo

Oslo — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:43:28 +0000

Just a correction.

The vikings did not settle Greenland in the MWP, as you sugggest in figure 2.

But at the end of the 900′s, which is at the end of the huge spike in figure 3.

Keep it correct.

By: Henry Pool

Henry Pool — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:12:00 +0000

Ron, I did a study on my own and came to the conclusion that CO2 has little or nothing at all to do with global warming. If global warming is real then it must be all the energy and water vapor producing activities that we are putting in the atmosphere, – which would mean that the only the energy that we steal from nature i.e. solar, wind, hydro, gravity etc) is green. (remember that nuclear needs a lot of water to cool and rocket fuel also makes water vapor). Water vapor is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2 and its concentration in the air is between 25 and 50 times greater than CO2.

In the course of my investigations I found that most scientists skeptic of AGW think that climate is related to cloud formation. The more cloud formation, the more sunlight is deflected from earth. The less cloud formation the more heat is absorbed by earth (the oceans act as buffers for this energy). In its turn, cloud formation can apparently be related to solar activity. More solar wind means fewer cosmic rays and fewer cosmic rays mean fewer clouds. It is predicted that a period of more clouds is now coming, i.e. global cooling is apparently on hand. (I know some people in the northern hemishere who might actually not like to hear that!). Let us hope that the cooling wiil not be as dramatic as before? I think for the big dips in the last graph there must be specific reasons that start off the big freezes, like orbital position (Markovnikov). You are right, it looks like we are a bit overdue for a dip…..

There was a professor in Australia (I think his name is Bob Carters or Carteres) who plotted the CO2 in the same graphs as shown above and he found that the increase in CO2 always lagged the warming periods by a couple of hundred years, in other words: Increases in CO2 followed global warming, not the other way around. Just as lung cancer does not cause smoking.
This makes sense from a chemistry point of view as I am sure a large portion of CO2 is dissolved in the oceans: CO2 + cold 3H2O =>CO3– + 2H3O+. If the oceans warm up, the equilibrium shifts in the opposite direction: CO3– + 2H3O+ +heat => CO2 + 3 H2O

This is where I blame Al Gore. He and the professors that helped him should have known this. In the movie they made it look like as if the temperatures went up the same time as when the CO2 went up. If he (Al Gore) did not know about this then, he should know it by now.

Are you people now also beginning to wonder: who is benefiting from keeping up this CO2 and carbon footprint nonsense? What a waste of ….energy! I am sure a few simple tests can prove that CO2 is not to blame.Here is now a whole worldwide industry based on a simple set of misconceptions (like testing done with 100% CO2 and weighting of global warming influence of CO2 by comparing the current CO2 concentration with that of 1750) – and ….you just cannot stop it. It has a life of its own. It is like a (false) religion. People want to believe it. All you can do is to just sit back and laugh…..