Here is the link to youtube video clip. A must see

Close to 200,000 views so far !

I agree, but more so.

“Why would you believe climate research done by these people is any higher level than the Piltdown Man? Maybe a greater cost to society, but not much more important. Perhaps their motives are more pure, and perhaps not.”

Scientific philosophy, competence and ethics are taught a lot less in the university these days and for the last several decades. Scientist of the 40′s, 50′s and 60′s used to have a developed culture of ethics. This is not the case today.

Piltdown Man? you give me 30 million dollars, a brand new AOGCM, ten staff scientists, a name for myself and a seat at the royal table, I’ll prove any theory you want me to prove.

That is what we are looking at today, a big pot-o-corruption.

Respectfully,

per my calculation:
If we do nothing, I think we have the potential to see the world’s climate change in ways we will not be able to control, to reverse, or, for many coastal communities, to survive. This may not happen, but it is POSSIBLE. Anyone who thinks it is impossible is in denial.

If we spend some money now, to promote things like solar/wind/nuclear energy/conservation, at worst, what we end up with is: more energy independence, less pollution in the atmosphere, and a long term solution for these issues that does some short-term good (jobs/stimulus).

Sounds like a bargain, in exchange for some deficit spending, which would hapen anyway, whether you’re Republican or Democrat. (And Republicans, quit your hypocritical damn whining, I heard no objections to deficit spending under the prior administration.

Check the polar icecap. When it is gone, there will be nothing humans can do to bring it back, NOTHING. Let’s do something while there is still a chance.

That some researchers would be less-than-gentlemanly or even
dishonest is hardly shocking. These failings are common in humans, especially when empassioned. The horror is that an important hypothesis like AGW would be so dependant on a single source.

– Robert in Houston
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My old tennis buddy Mr. Svensmark, a Danish PhD scientist in atomic physics have used the past years to study the climate changes. According to him – a short explanation:

Such water steam/clouds are small drops of water – a small drop of water can be formed/provoked by a tiny particle – they ARE also formed by small particles entering from the space, cosmic emission.

The level of cosmic emission is variation over time, this emission comes from other galaxies. The cosmic emission can be calculated back in time knowing the position of the earth related to the rest of space / solar systems at a specific time in history.

Mr. Svensmark, a PhD scientist, made a comparison of the cosmic emission over time, the past million years, compared this with the hearth temperature / climate – and found that there is a close relation – I saw the comparison which was curves above each other – being a MSc Eng studying the results my conclusion is pretty clear, the close relation over millions of years is not a coincidence – I think Mr. Svensmark is right.

CO2 is a particle too – question is the impact compared with the cosmic emission – but looking back in history, the comsmic emission were able to give us several ice-times and other radical clomate changes.

For millions of years the climate has changed on earth, ice-times, desserts before subtropics climate, the oil is the only left except the sand. All happened millions of years before the industrial age. Such dramatic changes over millions of years cannot be caused by instability on the earth – it has to come from the outside ! If it comes from outside, we can’t do anything about it. But again, if they bring down the pollution in the name of god or in the name of global heating, they have my blessing.

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Werner Brozek,
Science teacher

“They … set up the socialism vs Capitalism conflict … they are actually working towards … a totalitarian world government run by the elite. … they use political activists to further their cause through UN NGOs. ”

Jim responds:

“SO the connection is UN –> NGOs –> Activists
What would these NGOs be?
Who would one of these ‘activists’ be?”

To which Gail responds: “The NGO Branch is the focal point within the United Nations for Non-Governmental Organizations in consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC),..” You can look them up here. http://www.un.org/esa/coordination/ngo/

Rebut:

I’ll have to say, Gail, this is in the category of another non-responsive response. The questions was, “What would these NGOs be?”, and, “Who would one of these ‘activists’ be?” But, instead the response coming forth simply points to a website titled “NGO Branch” which self-describes itself as simply a “focal point” within the UN for NGOs.

This is not, then, an NGO, Gail.

Still waiting for Q’s to be answered substantively versus artful dodge and weave (which seems to work for most Birchers; the intonation and suggestion of conspiracy and skulduggery without really ever citing or proving it ).

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mods, just let me know if I need to pursue this on a different forum.
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So how hilarious is it that after the “science is settled/peer review” crowd, whose belief in each other was their only ‘evidence’ of Global Warming, has been publicly embarrassed, dipstick McCarthy tries to do damage control citing his affiliation with a corrupt organization founded by the same corrupt crooks, as his main article of credibility.

But this is where mankind has gone wrong isn’t it? How many of the brainless followers of this religion adopted the “Green” badge as a way to give themselves a pass on doing anything else of use to this world. Apparently Twatting on Facebroke was wayyyy more important than checking facts on the guy who wants to ration your breathing. So in essence our bankrupt society MADE these people, MADE this agenda, and will be VERY lucky to escape with the same amount of freedom they went in with. The AGW movement has set many precedents that a hundred Climategates won’t undo.

Nothing in this article or responses to it, addresses the damage that is evident simply by virtue of the fact that a dick like McCarthy even GETS A VOICE in the mainstream media. We are not out of the woods yet…

Can you point to several of these ‘events’? Something done on a regular basis, not just a one-time occurrence. Some specificity please.

I gave it – then you say I overwhelmed you with information and that respond with an ad hom attack calling me a Bircher.

I then point to the death of a woman and John Munsell’s repeated attempts to get action from the USDA, and Senator Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), as well as attorney Marler about the E. coli contaminated meat came from ConAgra’s Greely plant PRIOR to her death. This is all backed up with testimony from Munsell’s USDA inspector and lab reports, as well as Mr. Painter, Chairman of Food Inspection Union’s testimony that similar complaints from his union were also suppressed. I include the fact the Organic Consumers backed the law HR 875 which does nothing to address the above problem. You respond with a farcical article with a cow fart acting as jet propulsion.

I state Derry Brownfield was silenced. Monsanto leaned on Learfield who kicked out his old time buddy Brownfield. You ignore that and say I am lying because Brownfield found another way to go back on the air.

Perhaps after you and all your friends have enjoyed the corn chips and corn flakes made out of USDA/Epicyte’s spermicidal corn you might wake up to the fact that government is not your friend.

Gail Combs (13:37:15) :
Thanks for this posting.
Gail, I would like to have the entire story, how do I get it?

That is tough. It is sort of like AGW lots of people with different pieces of the puzzle.

If it is my 19 pages of references you want go to OpEdNews to contact me.
http://www.opednews.com/author/author18743.html

Sorry Mods I do not know how else to handle this. The whole story would make a book.