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	<title>Comments on: Quote of the week #25 &#8211; Krugman&#8217;s LOL on skeptics</title>
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		<title>By: Matt J.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/quote-of-the-week-krugmans-lol-on-skeptics/#comment-242486</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Krugman is right, Will is dead wrong. Deal with it. Just because the oil-industry did not see fit to fund YOUR denialism does not mean they aren&#039;t spending on better denialists, like the so-called &quot;Science and Public Policy Institute&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman is right, Will is dead wrong. Deal with it. Just because the oil-industry did not see fit to fund YOUR denialism does not mean they aren&#8217;t spending on better denialists, like the so-called &#8220;Science and Public Policy Institute&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: savethesharks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[savethesharks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Bruce Cobb (09:28:24) :&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;

Thanks for helping clarify for me, Bruce...and I agree with what you are saying.

Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA&lt;/cite&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Bruce Cobb (09:28:24) :</cite><cite></p>
<p>Thanks for helping clarify for me, Bruce&#8230;and I agree with what you are saying.</p>
<p>Chris<br />
Norfolk, VA, USA</cite></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Simmons</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/quote-of-the-week-krugmans-lol-on-skeptics/#comment-241331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sure wish the media could peel a few reporters from the pool reporting on TigerGate to cover this story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure wish the media could peel a few reporters from the pool reporting on TigerGate to cover this story.</p>
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		<title>By: E.M.Smith</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/quote-of-the-week-krugmans-lol-on-skeptics/#comment-241251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.M.Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still waiting for my first cheque... 

Lets see, I&#039;ve got a scrounged &quot;white box PC&quot; that started life about 20 years ago as a x486 box (since upgraded to a 400 MHz AMD chip) with 132 MB memory and an old 10 GB disk bought from a computer recycler.  Free software via Linux.  That&#039;s my GIStemp build/ test machine.

I self fund my coffee budget and my &quot;travel budget&quot; consists of paying the gas to go to the post office to mail my bill payments.  (No Copenhagen or Bali for me...)

Yup, sure does sound more lucrative to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting for my first cheque&#8230; </p>
<p>Lets see, I&#8217;ve got a scrounged &#8220;white box PC&#8221; that started life about 20 years ago as a x486 box (since upgraded to a 400 MHz AMD chip) with 132 MB memory and an old 10 GB disk bought from a computer recycler.  Free software via Linux.  That&#8217;s my GIStemp build/ test machine.</p>
<p>I self fund my coffee budget and my &#8220;travel budget&#8221; consists of paying the gas to go to the post office to mail my bill payments.  (No Copenhagen or Bali for me&#8230;)</p>
<p>Yup, sure does sound more lucrative to me.</p>
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		<title>By: boballab</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/quote-of-the-week-krugmans-lol-on-skeptics/#comment-241218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boballab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a link to the transcript from Brit Hume on Climategate.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578206,00.html
My take is Ow that will leave a scar Gav!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to the transcript from Brit Hume on Climategate.<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578206,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578206,00.html</a><br />
My take is Ow that will leave a scar Gav!</p>
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		<title>By: Back2Bat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Back2Bat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Left is merely a misguided reaction to the misery and ENVIRONMENTAL damage caused by the government backed banking cartels.  IT HAS A POINT but it is not pointed at the right institutions!  The Right is merely a misguided reaction to the Left.

Let me ask a simple question of both the Left and the Right:

How can an economic system based on systematic, government enforced theft of purchasing power from all money holders including and ESPECIALLY the poor not be a disaster in the making?

Can we not all agree that theft is bad or is that too much to ask?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left is merely a misguided reaction to the misery and ENVIRONMENTAL damage caused by the government backed banking cartels.  IT HAS A POINT but it is not pointed at the right institutions!  The Right is merely a misguided reaction to the Left.</p>
<p>Let me ask a simple question of both the Left and the Right:</p>
<p>How can an economic system based on systematic, government enforced theft of purchasing power from all money holders including and ESPECIALLY the poor not be a disaster in the making?</p>
<p>Can we not all agree that theft is bad or is that too much to ask?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/quote-of-the-week-krugmans-lol-on-skeptics/#comment-241191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Knights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope Fox puts Stossl on the case. e escaped from ABC just in time. They&#039;d never let him have the time it will take to explore this issue thoroughly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Fox puts Stossl on the case. e escaped from ABC just in time. They&#8217;d never let him have the time it will take to explore this issue thoroughly.</p>
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		<title>By: boballab</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boballab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like finally Climategate is going to be discussed on US national TV by someone that is not a &quot;Opinion&quot; (Beck, Hannity) driven show. Britt Hume is supposed to talk about it on Special Report tonight. There is a huge difference between Beck and Hume. Hume was a long time Whitehouse correspondent for ABC before taking over Fox News. It will be interesting to see what he has to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like finally Climategate is going to be discussed on US national TV by someone that is not a &#8220;Opinion&#8221; (Beck, Hannity) driven show. Britt Hume is supposed to talk about it on Special Report tonight. There is a huge difference between Beck and Hume. Hume was a long time Whitehouse correspondent for ABC before taking over Fox News. It will be interesting to see what he has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabba the Cat</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/quote-of-the-week-krugmans-lol-on-skeptics/#comment-241149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jabba the Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Krugman is pretty much off the planet on everything that he speaks about, so it is no surprise that he is fantasising about AGW. The first few reads of his witterings are comical but thereafter it gets boringly repetitive...ignore!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman is pretty much off the planet on everything that he speaks about, so it is no surprise that he is fantasising about AGW. The first few reads of his witterings are comical but thereafter it gets boringly repetitive&#8230;ignore!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vincent:
I wish your words were true as to giving windmills to India while we go nuclear. Per this reference:

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.html

China has 18 large nuclear power plants under construction, India has 6, and the US has one. That one is a recent restart of a construction project abandoned decades ago. And for those of you who think nuclear is dangerous, I respond that a coal mine accident in China last month caused more fatalities than the Chernyobl screwup. The difference is that coal mining accidents aren&#039;t news, and that Soviet  nuke plants of that design have been mostly shut down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent:<br />
I wish your words were true as to giving windmills to India while we go nuclear. Per this reference:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.html</a></p>
<p>China has 18 large nuclear power plants under construction, India has 6, and the US has one. That one is a recent restart of a construction project abandoned decades ago. And for those of you who think nuclear is dangerous, I respond that a coal mine accident in China last month caused more fatalities than the Chernyobl screwup. The difference is that coal mining accidents aren&#8217;t news, and that Soviet  nuke plants of that design have been mostly shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Tsunami of Brainwashing from the British Media ahead of Copenhagen

Consider this output of just 20 minutes from British television tonight:
The ITN News at 6.30pm has a report from the Himalayas where &quot;temperatures are rising faster than anywhere else in the world&quot;. (Ha!). The reporter, who has no scientific credentials whatsoever, climbed inside an ice tunnel in a &quot;dead and rotting&quot; glacier on Everest to &quot;prove climate change is happening&quot; and that our leaders &quot;must do something about climate change at Copenhagen&quot;, etc.

This was followed by the infamous Carbon Trust&#039;s propaganda advert with the little girl who&#039;s dog and rabbit drowned &quot;because of the grown-ups&quot; turning on lights, etc.

Next up, was the Channel Four 7pm news, which all this week, we are informed, will be a &quot;Countdown to Copenhagen Week&quot;. Tonight&#039;s menu was broadcast from a slum in Brazil, and the burning question was &quot;Can we make some of the poorest people in the world better off without damaging the west&#039;s economy?&quot; Which was a bit rich considering they preceded the item with a description of just how the rich Brazilians travel about these days. It&#039;s by helicopter, and that&#039;s coined a new term &quot;the Helicopteracy&quot; to describe them. The real burning question from our end was why these obscenely rich people can&#039;t pay some taxes to do the same thing, instead of bleeding us white with &quot;carbon&quot; taxes. Of course, this question was never asked -how dare we? This was followed by an interview with the Brazilian president who stated that the west &quot;would pay&quot; for their industrial progress at Copenhagen.

In this weird parallel universe, which is inhabited by all sections of the media, politicians, scientists, bureaucrats and tycoons, not one mention has been made of the biggest scientific fraud in history, and who stands to benefit from it. Most of the mainstream media journalists, like ours in Britain, are bone-idle and brain-dead zombies, only capable of swallowing and regurgitating prepackaged lying &quot;Global Warming&quot; propaganda pap and nothing else.

Expect more, much more...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Tsunami of Brainwashing from the British Media ahead of Copenhagen</p>
<p>Consider this output of just 20 minutes from British television tonight:<br />
The ITN News at 6.30pm has a report from the Himalayas where &#8220;temperatures are rising faster than anywhere else in the world&#8221;. (Ha!). The reporter, who has no scientific credentials whatsoever, climbed inside an ice tunnel in a &#8220;dead and rotting&#8221; glacier on Everest to &#8220;prove climate change is happening&#8221; and that our leaders &#8220;must do something about climate change at Copenhagen&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>This was followed by the infamous Carbon Trust&#8217;s propaganda advert with the little girl who&#8217;s dog and rabbit drowned &#8220;because of the grown-ups&#8221; turning on lights, etc.</p>
<p>Next up, was the Channel Four 7pm news, which all this week, we are informed, will be a &#8220;Countdown to Copenhagen Week&#8221;. Tonight&#8217;s menu was broadcast from a slum in Brazil, and the burning question was &#8220;Can we make some of the poorest people in the world better off without damaging the west&#8217;s economy?&#8221; Which was a bit rich considering they preceded the item with a description of just how the rich Brazilians travel about these days. It&#8217;s by helicopter, and that&#8217;s coined a new term &#8220;the Helicopteracy&#8221; to describe them. The real burning question from our end was why these obscenely rich people can&#8217;t pay some taxes to do the same thing, instead of bleeding us white with &#8220;carbon&#8221; taxes. Of course, this question was never asked -how dare we? This was followed by an interview with the Brazilian president who stated that the west &#8220;would pay&#8221; for their industrial progress at Copenhagen.</p>
<p>In this weird parallel universe, which is inhabited by all sections of the media, politicians, scientists, bureaucrats and tycoons, not one mention has been made of the biggest scientific fraud in history, and who stands to benefit from it. Most of the mainstream media journalists, like ours in Britain, are bone-idle and brain-dead zombies, only capable of swallowing and regurgitating prepackaged lying &#8220;Global Warming&#8221; propaganda pap and nothing else.</p>
<p>Expect more, much more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JackStraw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JackStraw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[boballab-

Per your link:

&gt;&gt;The Swiss paper was written not by Scanlon but by Mark Halle, the Europe-based director of trade and investment for an influential environmental think-tank, the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD), which originated in Canada and now operates in some 30 countries. IISD, which still has heavy Canadian government support, bills itself as a research institute promoting policies that are &quot;simultaneously beneficial to the global economy, the global environment and to social well-being.&quot;

Oh you mean the IISD where Maurice Strong is a Dinguished Fellow and Friend of the Institute after sitting on the board?  That IISD?

Just another coincidence.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boballab-</p>
<p>Per your link:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;The Swiss paper was written not by Scanlon but by Mark Halle, the Europe-based director of trade and investment for an influential environmental think-tank, the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD), which originated in Canada and now operates in some 30 countries. IISD, which still has heavy Canadian government support, bills itself as a research institute promoting policies that are &#8220;simultaneously beneficial to the global economy, the global environment and to social well-being.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh you mean the IISD where Maurice Strong is a Dinguished Fellow and Friend of the Institute after sitting on the board?  That IISD?</p>
<p>Just another coincidence.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghillie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ghillie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least some of the MSM are playing straight.  This article in yesterday&#039;s UK Sunday Times - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece - made for a refreshing read.  

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the Sunday Times Magazine - the entire thing was a bonus pre-Copenhagen AGW tract.  It had clearly been weeks in the making.  It began with an article by Brian Appleyard explaining his earlier mild scepticism and his Pauline revelation that AGW is real - and that we should all emulate his conversion.  The remainder of the magazine was a selection of articles for new converts - from scare stories to home emission guilt tales to extravagant &quot;green&quot; Christmas presents for the Righteous.  Gag reflex was on overtime!!

Shame the ST isn&#039;t agile enough to allow its magazine to be a little more current and courageous enough for it to be a little less partial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least some of the MSM are playing straight.  This article in yesterday&#8217;s UK Sunday Times &#8211; <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece</a> &#8211; made for a refreshing read.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the Sunday Times Magazine &#8211; the entire thing was a bonus pre-Copenhagen AGW tract.  It had clearly been weeks in the making.  It began with an article by Brian Appleyard explaining his earlier mild scepticism and his Pauline revelation that AGW is real &#8211; and that we should all emulate his conversion.  The remainder of the magazine was a selection of articles for new converts &#8211; from scare stories to home emission guilt tales to extravagant &#8220;green&#8221; Christmas presents for the Righteous.  Gag reflex was on overtime!!</p>
<p>Shame the ST isn&#8217;t agile enough to allow its magazine to be a little more current and courageous enough for it to be a little less partial.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: ralph (08:30:05)

Allowing this &quot;issue&quot; to split along left/right lines is too much of a risk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: ralph (08:30:05)</p>
<p>Allowing this &#8220;issue&#8221; to split along left/right lines is too much of a risk.</p>
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		<title>By: boballab</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[boballab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fox just broke a story on their website that deals with a document that they found concerning the UNEP and what they want to do. Here is an excerpt from the document:

&quot;The environment should compete with religion as the only compelling, value-based narrative available to humanity. To do that, however, it will have to make itself relevant well beyond the world of those already
concerned with the environment, including very prominently its own formal constituency. Indeed, unless UNEP succeeds in recasting the debate, it is
highly likely that the economic community will do it—badly, and on its own terms. It is already happening in the field of climate change.&quot;
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577827,00.html

Good old Krugman would probably love this idea]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox just broke a story on their website that deals with a document that they found concerning the UNEP and what they want to do. Here is an excerpt from the document:</p>
<p>&#8220;The environment should compete with religion as the only compelling, value-based narrative available to humanity. To do that, however, it will have to make itself relevant well beyond the world of those already<br />
concerned with the environment, including very prominently its own formal constituency. Indeed, unless UNEP succeeds in recasting the debate, it is<br />
highly likely that the economic community will do it—badly, and on its own terms. It is already happening in the field of climate change.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577827,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577827,00.html</a></p>
<p>Good old Krugman would probably love this idea</p>
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