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	<title>Comments on: The Australian ETS vote: a political litmus test for cap and trade</title>
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		<title>By: the lorax</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/27/the-australian-ets-vote-a-political-litmus-test-for-cap-and-trade/#comment-256576</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the lorax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My goodness that is a bit rich - how long have the libs been in power compared to labour?  The frightneing thing is that by oposing the ETS ( rightly or wrongly) you will include all the other right wing ideas as well. The liverals will oppose the ETS and then bring in the other right wing ideas to lim it your rights at work, at home and abroad.  The figures in the you tube video are not only sensationalist they are wrong, and have no basis in truth.  Who caused most of the rise.  I have three letters for you  GST]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness that is a bit rich &#8211; how long have the libs been in power compared to labour?  The frightneing thing is that by oposing the ETS ( rightly or wrongly) you will include all the other right wing ideas as well. The liverals will oppose the ETS and then bring in the other right wing ideas to lim it your rights at work, at home and abroad.  The figures in the you tube video are not only sensationalist they are wrong, and have no basis in truth.  Who caused most of the rise.  I have three letters for you  GST</p>
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		<title>By: Jaytee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaytee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;FWIW the Greens are against the Bill in its present form. They also can see that the ETS is just another crippling Tax and will have no effect on reducing alleged Green House gas emissions. However, they are likely to vote with the bill on Monday. If the bill makes it through Monday without a vote they will probably side with the new conservative leader and strike it down hoping to opt for stronger legislation later.&quot;
All true, except The Greens approach it from the other side. That is, the proposed ETS or CPRS (Carbon Production Reduction Scheme) doesn&#039;t go nearly far enough! They believe that a Prius is a filthy, carbon belching abomination, all roads should be given over to bicycles and trams. Anything that needs a truck to deliver it should be banned, along with the person who bought it. 
Interestingly, none of the above stops their Parliamentary Leader, Senator Bob Brown, from jetting about the place selling his hair shirts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;FWIW the Greens are against the Bill in its present form. They also can see that the ETS is just another crippling Tax and will have no effect on reducing alleged Green House gas emissions. However, they are likely to vote with the bill on Monday. If the bill makes it through Monday without a vote they will probably side with the new conservative leader and strike it down hoping to opt for stronger legislation later.&#8221;<br />
All true, except The Greens approach it from the other side. That is, the proposed ETS or CPRS (Carbon Production Reduction Scheme) doesn&#8217;t go nearly far enough! They believe that a Prius is a filthy, carbon belching abomination, all roads should be given over to bicycles and trams. Anything that needs a truck to deliver it should be banned, along with the person who bought it.<br />
Interestingly, none of the above stops their Parliamentary Leader, Senator Bob Brown, from jetting about the place selling his hair shirts.</p>
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		<title>By: MattB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you just love political Spin… Julie Bishop, debuty leader of the opposition: 

”Today our colleagues showed a great sense of unity … they have drawn a line and we will now move forward under our new leader Tony Abbott.”

Vote outcome – 42 to 41!!!! 1 measly vote… split the party, cross the floor, pass the ETS. Abbott was going to, so none of Turnbull’s supporters should have any moral dilemma there.

When you are cheering the election of an arch-conservative close ally of the Catholic Church, well it is a strange day for science.  Next creationism will be on the curriculum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you just love political Spin… Julie Bishop, debuty leader of the opposition: </p>
<p>”Today our colleagues showed a great sense of unity … they have drawn a line and we will now move forward under our new leader Tony Abbott.”</p>
<p>Vote outcome – 42 to 41!!!! 1 measly vote… split the party, cross the floor, pass the ETS. Abbott was going to, so none of Turnbull’s supporters should have any moral dilemma there.</p>
<p>When you are cheering the election of an arch-conservative close ally of the Catholic Church, well it is a strange day for science.  Next creationism will be on the curriculum.</p>
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		<title>By: Ripper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ripper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Update,  Tony Abbott  is now the new leader of the opposition.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abbott_wins/

Let&#039;s hope the senate tosses out the bill today]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update,  Tony Abbott  is now the new leader of the opposition.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abbott_wins/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abbott_wins/</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope the senate tosses out the bill today</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Hansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Australian Opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull loses ballot for party leadership to Tony Abbott.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian Opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull loses ballot for party leadership to Tony Abbott.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark.R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark.R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[heres the link  http://www.modernghana.com/news/251690/1/commonwealth-leaders-welcome-proposed-fund-to-addr.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres the link  <a href="http://www.modernghana.com/news/251690/1/commonwealth-leaders-welcome-proposed-fund-to-addr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.modernghana.com/news/251690/1/commonwealth-leaders-welcome-proposed-fund-to-addr.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark.R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark.R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[news today on the Commonwealth leader meeting .
Commonwealth leaders welcome proposed fund to address climate change.
Port of Spain, Nov 29, GNA - President John Evans Atta Mills together with other leaders of countries of the Commonwealth, have hailed the initiative to establish a $10 billion Copenhagen Launch Fund next year, to provide immediate funding for adaptation to climate change.
The Heads of Government called for immediate action, by using all available avenues to avoid dangerous climate change and its attendant catastrophic effects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>news today on the Commonwealth leader meeting .<br />
Commonwealth leaders welcome proposed fund to address climate change.<br />
Port of Spain, Nov 29, GNA &#8211; President John Evans Atta Mills together with other leaders of countries of the Commonwealth, have hailed the initiative to establish a $10 billion Copenhagen Launch Fund next year, to provide immediate funding for adaptation to climate change.<br />
The Heads of Government called for immediate action, by using all available avenues to avoid dangerous climate change and its attendant catastrophic effects.</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One last thing, this dumb thing that Howard had an ETS so Malcolm has to as well, or Howard did so it&#039;s ok for Malcolm, is a  tu quoque argument isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing, this dumb thing that Howard had an ETS so Malcolm has to as well, or Howard did so it&#8217;s ok for Malcolm, is a  tu quoque argument isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Knights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Rudd&#039;s Climate-Change Bill May Fail, Leaving Him Empty Handed for Obama&quot;:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aSOEV9H1PyRQ&amp;pos=9]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rudd&#8217;s Climate-Change Bill May Fail, Leaving Him Empty Handed for Obama&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aSOEV9H1PyRQ&#038;pos=9" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aSOEV9H1PyRQ&#038;pos=9</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good news from Autralia:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/malcolm-turnbull-stance-cops-a-poll-axing/story-e6frewt0-1225804931828]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news from Autralia:<br />
<a href="http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/malcolm-turnbull-stance-cops-a-poll-axing/story-e6frewt0-1225804931828" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/malcolm-turnbull-stance-cops-a-poll-axing/story-e6frewt0-1225804931828</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ridley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete Ridley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Truth, there appears to be a significant shifting in public opinion on The (significant human-made global climate change) Hypothesis. The Galaxy poll on 27th -  http://resources.news.com.au/files/2009/11/28/1225804/945513-galaxy-poll.pdf
shows interesting results. A massive 80% of people want more information about the ETS, with 60% of people wanting it deferred until after Copenhagen. UNQUOTE.

I’m surprised it hasn’t been mentioned here

Best regards, Pete R]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth, there appears to be a significant shifting in public opinion on The (significant human-made global climate change) Hypothesis. The Galaxy poll on 27th &#8211;  <a href="http://resources.news.com.au/files/2009/11/28/1225804/945513-galaxy-poll.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://resources.news.com.au/files/2009/11/28/1225804/945513-galaxy-poll.pdf</a><br />
shows interesting results. A massive 80% of people want more information about the ETS, with 60% of people wanting it deferred until after Copenhagen. UNQUOTE.</p>
<p>I’m surprised it hasn’t been mentioned here</p>
<p>Best regards, Pete R</p>
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		<title>By: savethesharks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[savethesharks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@antzemail1 (04:41:27)...re your Youtube clip:

Give &#039;em hell, mate!

I plan to circulate it with everyone I know in the USA.

Very simple and VERY effective with the blank screen, the words, and the music.  

What you are saying really has global implications, because no matter what sovereignty in which we reside, there is a common enemy:

It is this &quot;science&quot;-turned-religion anomaly called the Church of the AGW that is trying to steer world policy and world economics and that will ultimately try to break the backs and control working bright lads like yourself.

They may try, but they will NOT succeed....as there are too many of us.

Just like they have fraudulently doctored the data and used the climate models to OVERESTIMATE the alarm...

...they WILL have grossly UNDERESTIMATED the backlash...a backlash of smart, reasonable, and feisty blokes like you are saying:   Hell NO!

It is almost comical how much they have underestimated this.   

And while these not-so-bright figures continue to smugly galavant around the world yelling &quot;chicken little&quot;...

...and their policywankers (er um &quot;policymakers&quot;) are flitting about in their wake and in their CO2-producing private jets trying to sign draconian treaties and laws with their milk-toast, limp, smooth hands...

All the bird dogs around the world (young and old, male and female) are perking up...

...ears lifted...eyes squinted...ALL completely still with alertness...

...watching these dumb, lumbering 800-pound-gorilla-AGW-machines smash through the forest...

...until it is time to move in for the...

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Hey BOZOS!!   Over here!!

Yeah...you know who you are.

You may have tried to scare the World into submission, thanks to some &quot;garbage in-garbage out&quot; climate models and below-the-belt &quot;science&quot;...into believing that it is coming to an end.

But your biggest mistake was:

You failed to model....us!

Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@antzemail1 (04:41:27)&#8230;re your Youtube clip:</p>
<p>Give &#8216;em hell, mate!</p>
<p>I plan to circulate it with everyone I know in the USA.</p>
<p>Very simple and VERY effective with the blank screen, the words, and the music.  </p>
<p>What you are saying really has global implications, because no matter what sovereignty in which we reside, there is a common enemy:</p>
<p>It is this &#8220;science&#8221;-turned-religion anomaly called the Church of the AGW that is trying to steer world policy and world economics and that will ultimately try to break the backs and control working bright lads like yourself.</p>
<p>They may try, but they will NOT succeed&#8230;.as there are too many of us.</p>
<p>Just like they have fraudulently doctored the data and used the climate models to OVERESTIMATE the alarm&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;they WILL have grossly UNDERESTIMATED the backlash&#8230;a backlash of smart, reasonable, and feisty blokes like you are saying:   Hell NO!</p>
<p>It is almost comical how much they have underestimated this.   </p>
<p>And while these not-so-bright figures continue to smugly galavant around the world yelling &#8220;chicken little&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and their policywankers (er um &#8220;policymakers&#8221;) are flitting about in their wake and in their CO2-producing private jets trying to sign draconian treaties and laws with their milk-toast, limp, smooth hands&#8230;</p>
<p>All the bird dogs around the world (young and old, male and female) are perking up&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;ears lifted&#8230;eyes squinted&#8230;ALL completely still with alertness&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;watching these dumb, lumbering 800-pound-gorilla-AGW-machines smash through the forest&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;until it is time to move in for the&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Hey BOZOS!!   Over here!!</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;you know who you are.</p>
<p>You may have tried to scare the World into submission, thanks to some &#8220;garbage in-garbage out&#8221; climate models and below-the-belt &#8220;science&#8221;&#8230;into believing that it is coming to an end.</p>
<p>But your biggest mistake was:</p>
<p>You failed to model&#8230;.us!</p>
<p>Chris<br />
Norfolk, VA, USA</p>
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		<title>By: truth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many of us in Australia who have been trying for several years, on just the handful of blogs that will touch it, to publicise the challenges to the ‘Hockey Team by Climate Audit, WUWT, and Roger Pielke  Sr etc---because apart from the few principled blogs, and radio hosts, there has been a complete shutdown of information and debate on this issue in our MSM here.

Instead, up until now, the Labor government, aided by the MSM, has fed to Australians a steady diet of the IPCC consensus Hockey Stick alarmist version  of this issue---exclusively---and with bogus wildly alarmist new pronouncements regularly thrown in.

This cabal has intimidated the Opposition politicians to the extent that , for a politician with aspirations of higher office----- to admit or even come close to admitting he has questions about the official consensus view and science on this, is akin to political suicide.
 
  They are regularly ridiculed by government [ in parliament]and tacitly dared by MSM journalists to show a shred of scepticism at their peril.

  Consequently, polls show that a majority [ but now decreasing thankfully ]  of Australians have been indoctrinated to believe the alarmist consensus version, and want an ETS as soon as possible , but haven’t a clue what it entails.

  This is the situation that Liberal [ Liberal here is similar to Republicans there and Conservatives in the UK] party supporters have finally had enough of, and we are calling on our representatives , by email and phone calls and blogs, to reject the ETS and work to inform themselves and subsequently to inform all Australians , of the real status of this science---all the developments---the challenges and the fraud allegations as yet unresolved--- the content of the hacked emails, and the views of the scientists on the sceptic side.

The MSM here, to its eternal shame,  has almost completely ignored the hacked emails, but  Andrew Bolt published the sites and so we’re all into them, while the MSM holds its nose and pretends they’re non-existent.
   
   This revolt was already under way when the emails emerged, but the Liberal politicians hadn’t yet moved, although their Coalition partners, [ the Nationals] had signalled that they would reject the legislation.

   There are many of us who will simply not vote for the present leader, as he insists the ETS be passed with Australians knowing almost zero about it---and he swallows the IPCC line without question, no matter what developments occur, and what mistakes are revealed. His mind is closed on this issue.
   
   Our Liberal politicians , especially the more conservative ones, are now very forthrightly  standing up for democracy, often sacrificing their high office, and we’re hoping that the leader will be replaced on Tuesday [ our time] , and the scrutiny will begin, followed by real information and debate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many of us in Australia who have been trying for several years, on just the handful of blogs that will touch it, to publicise the challenges to the ‘Hockey Team by Climate Audit, WUWT, and Roger Pielke  Sr etc&#8212;because apart from the few principled blogs, and radio hosts, there has been a complete shutdown of information and debate on this issue in our MSM here.</p>
<p>Instead, up until now, the Labor government, aided by the MSM, has fed to Australians a steady diet of the IPCC consensus Hockey Stick alarmist version  of this issue&#8212;exclusively&#8212;and with bogus wildly alarmist new pronouncements regularly thrown in.</p>
<p>This cabal has intimidated the Opposition politicians to the extent that , for a politician with aspirations of higher office&#8212;&#8211; to admit or even come close to admitting he has questions about the official consensus view and science on this, is akin to political suicide.</p>
<p>  They are regularly ridiculed by government [ in parliament]and tacitly dared by MSM journalists to show a shred of scepticism at their peril.</p>
<p>  Consequently, polls show that a majority [ but now decreasing thankfully ]  of Australians have been indoctrinated to believe the alarmist consensus version, and want an ETS as soon as possible , but haven’t a clue what it entails.</p>
<p>  This is the situation that Liberal [ Liberal here is similar to Republicans there and Conservatives in the UK] party supporters have finally had enough of, and we are calling on our representatives , by email and phone calls and blogs, to reject the ETS and work to inform themselves and subsequently to inform all Australians , of the real status of this science&#8212;all the developments&#8212;the challenges and the fraud allegations as yet unresolved&#8212; the content of the hacked emails, and the views of the scientists on the sceptic side.</p>
<p>The MSM here, to its eternal shame,  has almost completely ignored the hacked emails, but  Andrew Bolt published the sites and so we’re all into them, while the MSM holds its nose and pretends they’re non-existent.</p>
<p>   This revolt was already under way when the emails emerged, but the Liberal politicians hadn’t yet moved, although their Coalition partners, [ the Nationals] had signalled that they would reject the legislation.</p>
<p>   There are many of us who will simply not vote for the present leader, as he insists the ETS be passed with Australians knowing almost zero about it&#8212;and he swallows the IPCC line without question, no matter what developments occur, and what mistakes are revealed. His mind is closed on this issue.</p>
<p>   Our Liberal politicians , especially the more conservative ones, are now very forthrightly  standing up for democracy, often sacrificing their high office, and we’re hoping that the leader will be replaced on Tuesday [ our time] , and the scrutiny will begin, followed by real information and debate.</p>
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		<title>By: antzemail1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antzemail1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just responding to criticism (good/bad) in regards to my youtube clip. It was largely conceptual but I was especially careful not to over-state or misrepresent facts and to put it into simple language. The clip was done in a hurry using a program that is very inefficient and limited - Windows Movie Maker...

In fact you may think I am BSing but I drive a forklift for a living, this means it was personal. I will struggle to afford a house.

This does not mean I am dumb; I take an interest in politics amongst other things. Housing affordability is a massive issue in Australia. This is not about the &#039;poor becoming poorer&#039;, it is a battle over the middle man, the one who owns his own small business or is trying to buy a house. If you think an average young person can now afford a house on one income you are living on the same planet Malcolm Turnball found himself on over the past week.

This clip is designed for a younger demographic and is conceptual as well as factual. It is nothing special but it was created with conviction - as we saw this issue was a battle of conviction. 

The secular media became obscelete over the weekend, as they tried to pressure the Australian Liberal party by arguing a pro-ETS stance. I really believe that it was conviction that made me, a young male, do something (a youtube clip)... This was a 100% genuine grass-roots campaign!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just responding to criticism (good/bad) in regards to my youtube clip. It was largely conceptual but I was especially careful not to over-state or misrepresent facts and to put it into simple language. The clip was done in a hurry using a program that is very inefficient and limited &#8211; Windows Movie Maker&#8230;</p>
<p>In fact you may think I am BSing but I drive a forklift for a living, this means it was personal. I will struggle to afford a house.</p>
<p>This does not mean I am dumb; I take an interest in politics amongst other things. Housing affordability is a massive issue in Australia. This is not about the &#8216;poor becoming poorer&#8217;, it is a battle over the middle man, the one who owns his own small business or is trying to buy a house. If you think an average young person can now afford a house on one income you are living on the same planet Malcolm Turnball found himself on over the past week.</p>
<p>This clip is designed for a younger demographic and is conceptual as well as factual. It is nothing special but it was created with conviction &#8211; as we saw this issue was a battle of conviction. </p>
<p>The secular media became obscelete over the weekend, as they tried to pressure the Australian Liberal party by arguing a pro-ETS stance. I really believe that it was conviction that made me, a young male, do something (a youtube clip)&#8230; This was a 100% genuine grass-roots campaign!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Ridley</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/27/the-australian-ets-vote-a-political-litmus-test-for-cap-and-trade/#comment-239522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete Ridley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike McMillan, “Rudd, and Turnbull, please? Conservative, liberal, pro/anti AGW, etc?”. 
Rudd, Labour leader &amp; PM, 
Turnbull, Liberal (but perhaps not much longer).

Neither are true believers in  The (signicifcant human-made global climate change) Hypothesis (AKA AGW). Both are true believers in their own status, power and well-being (like most politicians).

May I suggest that all of you who reject The Hypothesis comment on the UN’s COP15 threads, available from http://en.cop15.dk/news. Make your feelings known – but expect to be removed after a while. The best time to post is early weekend as it will probably be replaced on the Monday by 

“Moderator Date Time - Deleted due to terms of use violation”. I just keep re-posting mine. 

We’re winning.

Best regards, Pete Ridley, hum,an-made global climate change agnos(scep)tic]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike McMillan, “Rudd, and Turnbull, please? Conservative, liberal, pro/anti AGW, etc?”.<br />
Rudd, Labour leader &amp; PM,<br />
Turnbull, Liberal (but perhaps not much longer).</p>
<p>Neither are true believers in  The (signicifcant human-made global climate change) Hypothesis (AKA AGW). Both are true believers in their own status, power and well-being (like most politicians).</p>
<p>May I suggest that all of you who reject The Hypothesis comment on the UN’s COP15 threads, available from <a href="http://en.cop15.dk/news" rel="nofollow">http://en.cop15.dk/news</a>. Make your feelings known – but expect to be removed after a while. The best time to post is early weekend as it will probably be replaced on the Monday by </p>
<p>“Moderator Date Time &#8211; Deleted due to terms of use violation”. I just keep re-posting mine. </p>
<p>We’re winning.</p>
<p>Best regards, Pete Ridley, hum,an-made global climate change agnos(scep)tic</p>
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