How interesting that it has now risen to this level. Climategate? Quel Climategate?
This is a Radio Canada (RDI) reporter doing a live standup on CBC. That’s always a tough gig, I’ve done hundreds and you never know what the public around you is going to do.
Once I had to shove a person out of the shot who was grabbing for the microphone.
This of course is mild by comparison, but funny nonetheless.
h/t to WUWT reader Per Strandberg
Trés humoristique.
Looking at King Cnut’s failed attempt at solar, and lunar control (or mitigation). It failed. Thank goodness.
Aaah well if the media wont speak for us then we need to speak for ourselves!
Ha ha,
I wish his sign had said “Hide the decline” as well.
Damn song, stuck in my head now…
The CBC is a disgrace.
[snip – sorry I don’t link to that website here – Anthony]
That is one of the most sureal videos I’ve seen.
pawns? p0wns!
MSM: ClimateGate?? La la la la la la I can’t hear you! This, from enlightened people??
Here is a link to the BBC News.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
Search their website for Climategate
Found it yet?
Shouldn’t that be spelled ‘pwn3d’?
REPLY: Thanks I’m not current on net slang…too many other things to do. – A
As a resident of Canuckistan that is the FIRST coverage (to use the term loosely) I have seen on CBC, pathetic. It’s time to cut off the 1+ billion subsidy those turkeys get from the taxpayer!
I decided to add my 2c on my never visited blog.
http://blog.stoic-epicurean.com/index.php?blog=6&p=62&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Summary: Hiding methods and data is from the Dark Ages, regardless of reasoning. Since this is occuring, we can safely say we’ve been thrown into another dark age of sorts. When politics exerts influence in science, this happens.
Oh, also, if the situation were altered just slightly, say the IPCC were instead an international asteroid-hunting agency… would the refusal of data demonstrating an incoming asteroid be tolerated? Would the attack-by-obfuscation of skeptical points of views be accepted? Not on your life.
But of course, it’s somehow perfectly acceptable when major media organizations choose not to cover scandals in political arenas that are demanding billions of our dollars.
The free internet is exposing these BIAS news media outlet. Nobody agrees except the media and their masters Wall st and Goldman Sacks who just want to cash in with this mega tax.
So I’m sittin’ here tryin’ to eat my samwich when the screen refreshes and the Google Ad comes up under this story – “What Is Global Warming? Is It All A Hoax? Find out at National Geographic…”
Oh man I almost choked! I had to pick up all that samwich and put it back in my mouth. Yeah, what could be a more credible source for any expose’ on climate fraud than the fine upstanding unbiased folks at Nat Geo!
This is great! I’ve been tempted to ask directly of the CBC why they won’t report on a huge story. Except I know the answer, dosn’t fit in with their vision. Anna marie Tremont lit into Lawrence Solomon for having non-CBC views.
Jeez, I’m paying for this??!!!
Justin (16:35:11) :
They should release a single – then it might get in the MSM.
twawki (16:36:32) :
“Gore flees in panic from angry mob”
Video! Please!
yes, this is funny BUT, if the media is no longer doing their job then we, the ordinary citizens must do it.
Hooray for “Joe Public”!
….as an aside, I frequent the CBC website and am riotously entertained on an almost daily basis by not only the scare-mongering journalism but also by many of the posters. I honestly believed that this country had a fairly decent education system.
Thanks Joe Public, Anthony, moderators, and those who believe in science.
I am concerned that this thing will be deliberately stepped over by the MSM and the politicians. They have too much invested in keeping the farce going – political careers, journalists’ reputations. Countless billions were already spent on on this scam – that means countless billions extracted from taxpayers’ pockets. My feeling is that they will ram new carbon taxes and draconian measures down our throats, regardless of devastation of economies. People who make decisions like these are usually well insulated from the consequences.
I am in Canada (green-socialist heaven) – not one major MSM outlet has reported extensively on this story, which is shaping up to be the biggest con in history – politically, financially and ideologically. Over the past several days, I personally sent links to several MSM outlets news’-tips emails, suggesting they research and report on this. Nothing – zero reponse or action. Sheople are going about their Christmas shopping, unaware/ignorant of what’s happening around them.
The financial analysts are starting to take notice:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/175575-global-warming-models-out-of-order
@twawki – that’s just made my day!
Current Climategate Articles:
http://digg.com/search?s=climategate&fltdate=l1&sort=digg
It’s funny to see that people think mainstream reporting of “CRUgate” by CTV & CBC would be good for nonalarmist forces in Canada (at this time). The nonalarmist, minority-government Conservatives do not necessarily want issues in the news that might erode public opposition to a unified left (particularly at this time, considering other items in Canadian political news at this time). Overly-simplistic linear-thinking is the answer neither in climate science nor in politics. Trenberth cautioned of a backlash; no doubt, PM Harper also instinctively recognized the paradox in the context of the bigger picture. It appears his divided opponents have yet again miscalculated. The exceptional regional variations in Canada make federal politics here counterintuitive to many.
maarten (17:03:57) “I am in Canada (green-socialist heaven)”
You’ve got to be joking (“green-socialist heaven”).
Anthony, thank you for your service here, very well done. And Steve McIntyre.
The word is definitely out.
A French newscast with an English-language protest sign…huh.
I don’t speak French. What was the reporter saying?
Well, all I can say is it’s a marathon, not a sprint. In this day and age, we’re used to media pressure being focused to a pin-point on any given issue and over the course of a few weeks, a resolution found. But the great oil-tanker that is a scientific paradigm, perhaps like a religion, can only be turned around slowly. Paradigm shifts are generational, not daily or annual. This thing has been building for 20 years. It’s going to take at least that long to fully dissapate.
Good news for the popcorn industry!
John Silver (16:59:42) :
twawki (16:36:32) :
“Gore flees in panic from angry mob”
Video! Please!
See, that’s the problem with angry mobs – no one remembers to bring a video camera!
OT but I foresee that the number of accesses to this fine blog surely exceeds 25 MILLION in just a tad LESS THAN THREE YEARS since its inception (30th Nov 2006).
The Hippie and the Corpulent
or
Ode to WUWT and Steve
The sun was shining on the earth,
Dimming with all his might:
He did his very best to make
Mans reason really bright–
And this was odd, because it seems
At Starbucks there’s no light.
The profs were griping sulkily,
Because they thought no one
Had got business probing them
After the fraud was done–
“It’s very rude of Steve,” they said,
“To come and spoil the fun!”
The sea was huge as wet could be,
The deserts still were dry.
The winds were swirling
Just the same,
As reason passed us by.
The questioners were honest,
The scientists would lie.
Hippie and the Corpulent
Were surfing on the net
They wept like anything to see
That Wall Street’s just a bet.
“If we could only scare the world”
They said, “we’d get their debt!”
“Oh greenies come and surf with us”
Hansen did beseech
A simple trick, a mindless trip
In Google Earth’s fake reach.
We cannot do with more than four
To give a mil to each.
The sober thinkers looked at him
But not a word they said
“We need to get off foreign oil.
Who cares what’s in his head?
I’m sure our ends are similar,
But we’re not easily led.”
But four researchers hurried up
All eager for the trick
Their thinking stoned, their tactics honed,
Their ethics mostly sick–
And this was RIGHT, because you know,
belonging is a kick!
Four other dreamers followed them
And yet another four,
And thick and fast they came at last,
The media and more!
All looking for a Brand New Car,
And dreamily at Gore.
Hansen and the Goracle
slouched on a year or so.
And then they stooped down from the heights,
Conveniently low.
And all the little acolytes
just waited in a row.
“The time has come”, the UN said,
“To pay for many things.
For sycophants and secret clubs
To fly and live like kings.
And private jets and conferences,
Rapt groupies in the wings.”
“But wait a bit”, the public cried,
“Before we pass the hat,
We all are in foreclosure
And the future’s fallen flat!”
“Panic!”, said the Goracle,
“Steve’s nose can smell a rat!”
“Hockey sticks and subterfuge
Are what we chiefly need.
Disable all reality,
This hoax we have to feed!
Some geeks are adding all this up,
Prohibit all that screed!”
“But don’t tax US”, the public said,
“We have to think this through!
Our math, so bad, but we can add,
Our earnings go to you!”
“The ice is gone!”, Jim Hansen said,
“Next summer, we’ll be through!
Real Climate thanked the remnant
and silenced all the rest.
For what use are the numbers,
when Gaia serves you best?
It failed to pay upon the day
the geek had fouled the nest!
“It’s such a thrill”, the thinkers said,
“To roust them from their dumps,
Of simple tricks and media
That kicked us in the rumps.
We will not stop until their ilk
Has taken all their lumps.”
“We laugh at you”, the people said,
“We do not sympathize!
Unearthing all your data
Has opened up our eyes.
The blogosphere is EVERYONE
you need a good disguise!”
“Oh peons”, said the media
You fail to see the light,
“The hoax goes on, the stocks are pawns,
the planet’s in a plight!
If we can’t fool you one more time
we will resort to might”.
And then the savior stepped up
to cover all our sin.
“The planet first, the world is theirs,
we never planned to win.
I think that math and all that stuff,
are subject to my whim!”
The people saw the UN
had made a secret scheme
to grab it all in pretense
of waking from the dream.
When really all they wanted,
was our financial cream.
The rest is up to you, dumb geeks,
the battle almost won.
Will we surrender common sense
or thank the quiet sun?
Thank EVERYONE who looks around.
and Watts is number ONE!
This Thanksgiving I’m so thankful to my personal daemon of whimsy and common sense, and to Steve and Anthony and all the watchers and askers who just can’t leave it alone.
@PaulH read the article.. very polite and simple.
we need more common sense these days ;[
I have concluded that the Main Stream Press down here isn’t publishing anything on it because they don’t have a “Science Fiction” section in the paper.
I live in Montreal, Canada, and I have yet to see one news report on climategate from the CBC, CTV, and Global TV (All three are networks in Canada).
Have you ever seen this graph, its from a temprature station in germany, from 1782 to now. Looks to mee like its no coincedence that al the graphs take 1880/1890 as a starting point!
http://climatereason.com/LittleIceAgeThermometers/Hohenpeissenberg_Germany.html
@maarten – the new issue of Macleans has a two page story written by Mark Steyn. National Post has also written about it, but no one else has touched this story. No coverage from CBC, Globe and Mail or Toronto Red Star to date. I can’t think of another story that would be so huge on the internet yet be so ignored by the MSM. It’s over the so-called professional media as we know it. They have become completely irrelevant.
The only thing that annoys me is that the press and public are starting to listen as a result of this ‘hack’.
The hack shows poor data and dodgy programming – but this does not invalidate the AGW hypothesis. It shows CRU scientists planning to suppress dissenting voices – this is cause to sack them, but it does not invalidate the AGW hypothesis.
What does invalidate the hypothesis is SM’s sterling work in disproving Mann (whilst under incredible pressure to give up). But the press never noticed that. It was too complicated. A hack revealing a secret plot – now that they can understand. It happens all the time in the movies…
I just checked the BBC site, with a search on “CRU”.
Three hits: One on a story of how UEA is bickering over who to appoint to head an inquiry, and two on an interview by Roger Harrabin with his “contacts” at the CRU.
If, as the PR spin claims, the files were stolen, why do they need to appoint somebody to head to an internal inquiry? Why not report it to the police, who would presumably be unbiased in scientific matters? Just thinking.
And some interesting snippets from one of interview reports:
“The climate science website RealClimate sees the CRU computer raid as the latest attempt by lobbyists to discredit mainstream climate science at a critical time.
It explains in detail what it says is the legitimate scientific rationale behind some of the apparently incriminating emails, and says they offer a glimpse into the real world of science.”
OK, so “those dastardly lobbyists dun the job officer – it weren’t me, honest”.
and “the real world of science”, say what?
Obviously this journalist (and I use that term very loosely) has no idea that RealClimate is a mouthpiece for the CRU, as stated quite clearly in one of the aforesaid incriminating emails!
But wait – there’s more …
“It’s obvious that the noise-generating components of the blogosphere will generate a lot of noise about this,” says RealClimate. “But it’s important to remember that… gravity isn’t a useful theory because Newton was a nice person.”
No, gravity is a useful theory because it works, and it has yet to be disproved.
This all gets more banal by the day …
Mike McMillan (16:31:02)
It’s “très”…just like temperature…we fear…they hope…
Thanks for posting. As a Canadian I’m very disappointed with CBC’s complete lack of coverage, and continual toadying to the gurus of hypocrisy: Al Gore and David Suzuki. No doubt the mother corp thinks they know what’s best for Canadians….
Just so everyone knows, “pwn3d” is a way to spell “pwned”, which is pronounced as “poned”. It is from the video game world and it means “to be controlled against your will”, or “to be defeated by a superior power”.
Some examples of this pwned expression in digital culture:
•”I got pwned by those three horde players. They ganked me bad.”
•”We pwned that other team, woot!”
•”Hahaha! Jason got pwned in arena today!”
•”That was total pwnage! We totally crushed that boss monster!”
Some examples of this pwned expression in daily life:
•”That speeder got totally pwned by that radar trap cop!”
•”We pwned that other basketball team!”
•”Oh, man. I got totally pwned by the aerobics instructor in class today. That was so difficult!”
•”Pwnage! I got an A on that exam! Woot!”
(Credit for the definition and examples belongs to about.com.)
In the case of Climategate, Jones, et al got totally pwned by who ever leaked the files. LOL!
I have sent many message to RDI, Radio-Canada to ask them to cover this news. Someone discussed it on the radio in montreal 95.1 FM in the morning. You can listen to it here: All in french…
http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/christiane_charette/2009-2010/chronique.asp?idChronique=96848
With some comments.
Something just came over me. LOL Since this is a humorous thread.
from Lewis Carroll, sometimes we have the words but not the rhythm.
The Hippie and the Corpulent
or
Ode to WUWT and Steve
The sun was shining on the earth,
Dimming with all his might:
He did his very best to make
Mans reason really bright–
And this was odd, because it seems
At Starbucks there’s no light.
The profs were griping sulkily,
Because they thought no one
Had got business probing them
After the fraud was done–
“It’s very rude of Steve,” they said,
“To come and spoil the fun!”
The sea was huge as wet could be,
The deserts still were dry.
The winds were swirling
Just the same,
As reason passed us by.
The questioners were honest,
The scientists would lie.
Hippie and the Corpulent
Were surfing on the net
They wept like anything to see
That Wall Street’s just a bet.
“If we could only scare the world”
They said, “we’d get their debt!”
“Oh greenies come and surf with us”
Hansen did beseech
A simple trick, a mindless trip
In Google Earth’s fake reach.
We cannot do with more than four
To give a mil to each.
The sober thinkers looked at him
But not a word they said
“We need to get off foreign oil.
Who cares what’s in his head?
I’m sure our ends are similar,
But we’re not easily led.”
But four researchers hurried up
All eager for the trick
Their thinking stoned, their tactics honed,
Their ethics mostly sick–
And this was RIGHT, because you know,
belonging is a kick!
Four other dreamers followed them
And yet another four,
And thick and fast they came at last,
The media and more!
All looking for a Brand New Car,
And dreamily at Gore.
Hansen and the Goracle
slouched on a year or so.
And then they stooped down from the heights,
Conveniently low.
And all the little acolytes
just waited in a row.
“The time has come”, the UN said,
“To pay for many things.
For sycophants and secret clubs
To snort and live like kings.
And private jets and conferences,
Rapt groupies in the wings.”
“But wait a bit”, the public cried,
“Before we pass the hat,
We all are in foreclosure
And the future’s fallen flat!”
“Panic!”, said the Goracle,
“Steve’s nose can smell a rat!”
“Hockey sticks and subterfuge
Are what we chiefly need.
Disable all reality,
This hoax we have to feed!
Some geeks are adding all this up,
Prohibit all that screed!”
“But don’t tax US”, the public said,
“We have to think this through!
Our math, so bad, but we can add,
Our earnings go to you!”
“The ice is gone!”, Jim Hansen said,
“Next summer, we’ll be through!
Real Climate thanked the remnant
and silenced all the rest.
For what use are the numbers,
when Gaia serves you best?
It failed to pay upon the day
the geek had fouled the nest!
“It’s such a thrill”, the thinkers said,
“To roust them from their dumps,
Of simple tricks and media
That kicked us in the rumps.
We will not stop until their ilk
Has taken all their lumps.”
“We laugh at you”, the people said,
“We do not sympathize!
Unearthing all your data
Has opened up our eyes.
The blogosphere is EVERYONE
you need a good disguise!”
“Oh peons”, said the media
You fail to see the light,
“The hoax goes on, the stocks are pawns,
the planet’s in a plight!
If we can’t fool you one more time
we will resort to might”.
And then the savior stepped up
to cover all our sin.
“The planet first, the world is theirs,
we never planned to win.
I think that math and all that stuff,
are subject to my whim!”
The people saw the UN
had made a secret scheme
to grab it all in pretense
of waking from the dream.
When really all they wanted,
was our financial cream.
The rest is up to you, dumb geeks,
the battle almost won.
Will we surrender common sense
or thank the quiet sun?
Thank EVERYONE who looks around.
and Watts is number ONE!
This Thanksgiving I’m so thankful to my personal daemon of whimsy and common sense, and to Steve and Anthony and all the watchers, dumb geeks, and askers who just can’t leave it alone.
Justin (16:35:11) : “…Damn song, stuck in my head now…”
This little PARODY should clear it right out of there, Justin:
M is for manipulated data,
O says that Obama wants to sign:
T is Copenhagen’s deadly treaty;
H is for Mann Hiding the decline.
E is for Erasure of CRU’s records,
R is peer Reviewing’s conga line.
String them all together, they spell snipsnip,
Till we get Obama to resign.
[Make up your own original melody.]
I have a 1st class honours degree in Intelligent Systems and I don’t understand some of the stuff that Steve M says, although I can generally follow the reasoning with help from thread comments. I have absolutely no problem with the fact that it’s just too difficult to get your head around for the average journalist, who probably studied literature, classics or philosophy at University.
This is the problem; there’s too much to know and only a lifetime to know it. Areas of experise become ghettoised (is that even a word?). It takes effort, time, study and a great deal of reading to become fully aquainted with a subject.
Would you blame a journalist for taking it on a plate from the “experts”? I wouldn’t. It doesn’t mean they’re right; just that they’re in the wrong job.
> BobMbx (17:28:25) :
>A French newscast with an English-language protest sign…huh.
That’s call a bilingual country, BobMbx.
>I don’t speak French. What was the reporter saying?
Not much, shortage of doctors [normal in a socialized state] and then signing off.
Still growing on the interwebby thingamabob Results 1 – 100 of about 11,400,000 for climategate. (0.85 seconds)
@Paul Vaughan – my comment about “green-socialist heaven” – I live in BC – generally, as left as it gets in Canada. I’d also spent almost 30 years of my life in a communist country. Having lived here for over 20 years, many times I’d felt like I was back there again. And even after all those years, every time, it still sent shivers down my spine…Perhaps my green-soc-left radar is just forever too sensitive to any hints of parallels to past nightmares.
As further illumination of the word PWNED, it is believed to have been a common misspelling of the word OWNED, as the “P” and “O” are right next to each other on the keyboard.
To paraphrase another gamer phrase: All your emails are belong to us!
This video comes up with the “Hide The Decline Video”:
Janice (18:22:09)
To paraphrase another gamer phrase: All your emails are belong to us!
Too funny, Oh My Gaia, my new name here is AllYourBase! I’d almost forgotten that one.
Fellow Canadians, the story is covered in the Toronto Sun, the Canada Free Press, the Globe and Mail and the Financial Post. I also have written to CBC and CTV to tell them what I think of their performance. However since I didn’t write it in French the CBC won’t read it. I doubt if they care anyway and I don’t watch them either so we are even. I did hear about the story tonight about the polar bears eating their cubs because there is no ice left. Right, at the end of Nov, there are no cubs and there is plenty of ice. I guess the story was on an American station and is out of season. I actually received a response from the Prime Minister’s office sending my email on to Jim Prentice. Now that the PM is going, Jim will have to send it back.
On behalf of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, I would like to thank you for your e-mail, in which you raised an issue that falls within the portfolio of the Honourable Jim Prentice, Minister of the Environment.
Please be assured that the statements you made have been carefully reviewed. I have taken the liberty of forwarding your e-mail to Minister Prentice, so that he too may be made aware of your comments. I am certain that the Minister will give your views every consideration. For more information on the Government’s initiatives, you may wish to visit the Prime Minister’s Web site, at http://www.pm.gc.ca.
L.A. Lavell
Executive Correspondence Officer
for the Prime Minister’s Office
Agent de correspondance
de la haute direction
pour le Cabinet du Premier ministre
I know this is being bitchy but why is every single person who works for the government French Canadian?
Philem McAleer, maker of “Not Evil Just Wrong”, in a 5 minute video interview on ClimateGate from Fox News channel
http://video.foxnews.com/12000460/climategate/?category_id=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749
This one ok?
Al Gore flees in panic from angry mob
http://ispeedtoo.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/26/3552058-gore-flees-in-panic-from-chicago-book-signing-
Snip which you will unsure which you like
comunista broadcast corp cbc canada all the news .. not
ps canada french /english english/french
were bi focal
@ Daryl M (17:57:50) : They likely got pwn3d because they are computer illiterate. No doubt this exposure will help them catch up with a more contemporary approach to both computers and science.
Excellent work Wakeupmaggy.
Just to remind us all how we got into this whole mess in the first place – and the warmists are still at it – I quote Lewis Carroll himself:
“Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true.”
FirstClassFool (17:42:12) :
Simply frabjous !
twawki (18:38:22) :
If the story is true there should be confirming stories elsewhere. I don’t like the tone of this particular article myself.
Major media is on the case, by golly:
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1]
BBC’s Paxman/NewsNight on ClimateGate:
Fred Singer and Lord Lawson make brief comments. Also, a scientist from Oxford finds a cute way of dismissing 10 years of no warming :
I have been on CBC’s and Globe and Mail’s message boards tilting at Quixotes since these files came to light….
To say we as Canadians feel condescended upon, would be an understatement…
Many of us believe our Liberal Party has “Maurice Strong” ties to the clima-fascist movement…
Being that the CBC was staffed for many years by Liberal governments, it is essentially the Liberal Party’s mouth piece… They help the NDP too, our little socialist rump party…
I think this issue is really going to help the Conservative party of Canada (who have ideological warts as such) get a Majority finally…
I invite anybody to come to the CBC or Globe forums… Good fun shooting fish in a barrel…
BobMbx (17:28:25) :
A French newscast with an English-language protest sign…huh.
I don’t speak French. What was the reporter saying?
——————————————————-
It’s French Canadian…. Even the French don’t know what they’re saying;-)
Google :
Quebec Bill 101
Bloc Quebecois
Just to get a gist of the crap we have to put up with here… Most of the rest of Canada could care less if Quebec separates… They can take their debt with them…
Blue Necks are some of the most racist people in the world too…
But they aren’t all bad… Just the racist and/or separatist douche bags
J.Hansford (19:14:24) :
It’s French Canadian…. Even the French don’t know what they’re saying;-)
—
Nonsense. Certainly not true for TV broadcasts on the CBC French service.
Part 2 from BBC’s Paxman/NewsNight on ClimateGate.
A six minute interview with Fred Singer and Bob Watson. Jeremy Paxman is surprisingly fair toward Fred Singer.
Any bets on the relative amount of airtime in the MSM for Climategate vis-à-vis the Tiger Woods fender-bender?
I’m putting the grandkids’ college fund on Woods.
The mainstream media have become the enemy of the people with this story.
I say let them have their rope.
The following is from a computer analyst going through the code;
For those of you who have been stigmatizing AGW skeptics as “deniers” and dismissing their charges that the whole enterprise is fraudulent? Hope you like the taste of crow, because I do believe there’s a truckload of it coming at you. Piping hot.
This, people, is blatant data-cooking, with no pretense otherwise. It flattens a period of warm temperatures in the 1940s 1930s — see those negative coefficients? Then, later on, it applies a positive multiplier so you get a nice dramatic hockey stick at the end of the century.
All you apologists weakly protesting that this is research business as usual and there are plausible explanations for everything in the emails? Sackcloth and ashes time for you. This isn’t just a smoking gun, it’s a siege cannon with the barrel still hot.
http://rebootcongress.blogspot.com/2009/11/eric-s-raymond-on-east-anglia-crus.html
Mann, Jones, and the rest of the unskeptical IPCC authors; their fate is sealed. It’s just a matter of time now. They have weeks and days left, not months.
The media has a choice of weather to go down with the USS Climate Change, or take after the President and pitch the phony science under the bus.
Myself, I’d rather they sink.
Re: maarten (18:19:13)
There’s a paradox. The BC carbon tax is about easing traffic congestion in Vancouver and minimizing the 2010 Olympic deficit [2 things that appeal to smart, wealthy right-wing voters]. The “BC Liberals” are not associated with the federal Liberals (despite deliberate federal media efforts to confuse Canadians about this); “right-wing” is presently “done differently” in BC [i.e. restrained coyness as opposed to the ruthless hyperpartisan approach that defines the right elsewhere] to ensure the right-wing elite retain power. Don’t be fooled by the loudly-screaming NDP & Green protestors (which, in practice, contribute only to keeping the left divided in Canada, which means ongoing right-wing rule). …& don’t forget about Quebec!
This was the headline of the CBC coverage on climagegate:
Hackers skewed climate-change emails: scientists
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/11/26/climate-change-hack.html
Notwhere in the contents does it explain how hackers skewed the emails. It is not acceptable that an agency funded by taxpayers would show such bias reporting. I hope someone’s head rolls for this.
Or, just simply ” owned ” (as in “I own your a**; you are owned!”).
Not really difficult and I confess to being over five-oh and _not_ a gamer.
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The only place I’ve heard it hear in Vancouver is on CKNW on the weekends with Roy Green, http://www.630ched.com/HostsandShows/RoyGreen.aspx, syndicated out of Montreal.
The Mon – Fri morning host, bill good, openly admitted, he deems the skeptic side not worth covering when Hoggan was on the program. He and mgmt. promptly got an e-mail from me letting him know I could not longer trust him as he can’t present both sides and he had lost a viewer.
The mainstream press may be silent but google hits on ClimateGate now tally 11,400,000 … another massive daily increase. Amazing how 15 years ago, without common access to the net, almost no one would have heard about it.
ClimateGate is now bigger than “global warming” with only 9,880,000 hits.
As a Canadian taxpayer, I am appalled at the CBC’s news blackout. Are we now living in East Germany of the ’50’s? Is Canadian television for propaganda and not news? Will the Stasi burst open my door and confiscate my computer as I am typing these words?
The lesson that we Canadian taxpayers can draw from this massive fraud and its coverup is that any time any MP or MLA, let alone the Prime Minister or any member of his Cabinet, says anything positive about “global warming”, or refers to “climate change” to justify some action, they are quite simply….LYING TO US.
The Toronto Sun had an article in Nov. 26th by Lorrie Goldstein
“Why ClimateGate won’t stop Greens”‘
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/lorrie_goldstein/2009/11/26/11929676-sun.html#/comment/columnists/lorrie_goldstein/20
Canada Free Press has great coverage, but only comes in internet version.
Here is an example
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17216
Mike from Canmore (20:21:30) :
We listen to the French Radio-Canada from Vancouver (CBUF-FM) and never they haven talked about it since the leak. They talked about global warming every day… only the bad of course… but the person in that station that is the real gate keeper is Pascal Guillon. He’s the talking head for the government apparently. He has done the same thing with every single important issue, even 9/11.
By the way, the journalist above was talking about the fact that apparently Canada got some more 5000 medical doctors in the system. Looks like somebody wants to stop a flood of medical doctors from immigrating in Canada because the Harper government said they were going to relax the rules of immigration so that people can actually work in their field once they come into Canada… for now, most of them, once they arrive in Canada, can’t perform their respective jobs even though they were accepted based on their respective formations.
Dr A Burns (20:26:18) :
ClimateGate now tally 11,400,000…..ClimateGate is now bigger than “global warming” with only 9,880,000 hits.
What an amazing take on this Dr Burns!
K (20:12:08) ” http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/11/26/climate-change-hack.html […] I hope someone’s head rolls for this.”
Thanks for pointing that out. It should be a clue to many Canadians who are following this thread that CBC (left-wing) is breaking the story before CTV (right-wing). It’s not going to help the case of nonalarmists to set unrealistic expectations. I would be interested in hearing your assessment of how you think the (numerous) comments under the story might affect the proportion of Canadians who oppose a left-wing coalition; from a strategic point of view, that is what Canadian right-wing calculations will be based upon, since the left-vote is divided over 4 parties. In generating a realistic assessment, keep in mind that some people hold religious beliefs about this subject.
FYI for non-Canadians: The right-wing has been controlling the country with only ~35% support due to the 4-way division of the left-vote. Interestingly, ~70% of Canadians oppose a left-wing coalition, so Canadians will be interested in anything that might shift that number closer to 50%. Trenberth is wise to caution of a potential backlash if attacks appear overly-vexatious. From a Canadian perspective, I advise more coy restraint, less hyperpartisan mudslinging, and a return to focus on natural climate variations, which is where the real money is.
A few commenters have said there is little coverage in the BBC on ClimateGate. But I’ve got another wonderful video of Fred Singer in an interview on BBC. The issue seems to be handled fairly in this BBC program. Bob Watson works at East Anglia University. He looks uncomfortable.
Guess what is on TV right now Meltdown 2 an animated asventure of the animals melting home land. Just before Copanhagan. On Global TV. Mainstream media moves ahead. This is in Canada.
Gene Nemetz (19:02:54) : “twawki: If the story is true there should be confirming stories elsewhere. I don’t like the tone of this particular article myself.”
Yeah, Gene, it lacks the ring of truth. Or maybe the ring of relevance. Not sure why.
“not one major MSM outlet has reported extensively on this story,”
I think some of them are actually startled and shaken by what has been revealed, and scared to say how shocked they are. I don’t think it’s necessarily an attempt to downplay the story.
Incidentally, it was only the Washington Post that made a big stink about Watergate, at first. Their charges weren’t given a big play in other papers, just cursory mentions, until things really heated up.
And some interesting snippets from one of interview reports:
“The climate science website RealClimate sees the CRU computer raid as the latest attempt by lobbyists to discredit mainstream climate science at a critical time.
It explains in detail what it says is the legitimate scientific rationale behind some of the apparently incriminating emails, and says they offer a glimpse into the real world of science.”
I think that, as I’ve said all along, some of the CRU’s seemingly incriminating statements have an innocent explanation, and that we should be explicit about what they are. We should not open ourselves to counter-punching and being discredited by being too accusatory. I also said that Phil Clark’s (SP?) list of justification for those statements should be posted as a thread here and responded to, with concessions offered to the points on which he’s correct.
It’s not too late.
Very interesting article in Maclean’s from Mark Steyn, the “science” of global warming, maybe the lazy journalists of the CBC-Radio-Canada and other MSM will wake up and start reporting something else than the official IPCC line. And start asking hard questions to the like of Susuki and al instead of the puff balls they usually lobe at them.
“The right-wing has been controlling the country with only ~35% support due to the 4-way division of the left-vote.”
It sounds as though Canada needs an “instant runoff” voting system (losing candidates’ votes are reassigned to the voter’s next choice, starting with the elimination of the poorest vote-getter), which is more feasible than heretofore with the advent of computerized voting.
>>So I’m sittin’ here tryin’ to eat my samwich.
Sandwich. Named after Lord Sandwich.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Montagu,_4th_Earl_of_Sandwich#The_Sandwich.
Very interesting debate between Piers Corbyn and Aleksey Kokorin, on RT (btw doing a great job covering this scandal). Notice how they clash on malaria in the last minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anHuOAXIl0M
Shame on Aleksey, who should know better:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2537933/pdf/bullwho00505-0074.pdf
Ecotretas
Paul Vaughn:
If I interpret your comments above correctly, I agree. I think Harper’s low key / follow the American’s / ‘let’s not destroy the economy’ approach to this issue is brilliant. I have little doubt what the PM truly believes regarding AGW in his heart of hearts, but he needs to play his cards correctly so that we don’t train wreck the country, as is happening currently in Oz. Fortunately, the Libs don’t seem to be able to differentiate on policy, so their hysterical rhetoric makes the government look measured and reasonable.
Ursus
The same thing goes on here in Norway. I think i have only seen two single newspapers report this story and one of those are not subsided by government. Nearly all media here that release newspaper in paper form get subsides from government here. 🙁
It is really sick how much control politicians have of media these days. I never knew how bad it was until now.
Gore WAS chased by protesters. Want some proof with pictures and quotes? Of course, try this…
http://rogersparkbench.blogspot.com/2009/11/al-gore-chased-from-chicago-book.html
Quote:
2009-11-27
Al Gore Chased From Chicago Book Signing
Al Gore is still out there peddling his lies about global warming, even in the face of recent revelations that the whole thing is a big fraud.
Here are a couple of reports (below) of how some folks in Chicago responded on Tuesday Nov. 24 to Gore’s brazen perpetuation of what he knows to be false. (We were the first to give you a heads up about this event.) We wondered on Tuesday whether Gore would be apologetic for the massive fraud that he and others have been perpetrating on the world for years now, especially in light of last week’s revelation of emails that show that climate data was deliberately manipulated and falsified. Predictably, he was not. Prediction: Gore will continue to see increasingly large protests, like that in Chicago,he continues to promote one of the biggest and most cynical hoaxes in human history.
– Gore Flees in Panic from Chicago Book Signing
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/gore-flees-in-panic-from-chicago-book-signing/blog-201399/
– Protesters Chase Junk Scientist Al Gore Down the Street After Book Signing
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/protesters-chase-junk-scientist-al-gore-down-the-street-after-book-signing/
…etc.
Paul Vaughan (20:54:44) :
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Paul – I want my reporting to be neither right-wing nor left-wing. I want a straight report. I had a great deal of respect for Canadian news organizations, especially the CBC – until I see this type of unsubstantiated rubbish. I had a great deal of sympathy for the CBC when its funding was cut back by the government. But if they can’t do a fair report without turning it into propaganda, then I could care less if the government cuts all their funding.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/11/28/google-s-climate-scholars.aspx
Just an example of the one sided and unbalanced news coverage at CBC on climate change as Lawrence Solomon found out. David Suzuki seems to have the inside track at CBC . My impression of CBC on science and climate change is that they lack informed reporters who can tackle climate change honestly and fairly so they seem to just repeat what Suzuki and IPCC says instead of getting a wider point of view and letting the public decide what is real . Thank goodness we have National Post in Canada .It was the Suzuki foundation that was telling the public that Canadian winters would soon be a washout for winter sports . All this makes for poor journalism and a very misinformed public as a result.
Re: K (09:52:59)
The point I was trying to make is that it is the comments under the story that influence public opinion. Many people wouldn’t even bother reading a CBC story, but would be interested in reading the comments below (for example to see if they appear censored). I see the deterioration of CBC as arising from a counter-balancing backlash against what CTV is doing. If one “averages” the 2 sets of opposing bias, one may be closer to the truth (but certainly not at the truth).
Any Canadian who is unhappy with the climate news coverage at CBC, write to \
E-mail:
ombudsman@cbc.ca
It seems that Conrad Black can do a better summary of the climate change issues than most reporters at CBC.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/28/conrad-black-a-teeming-rain-forest-of-irrelevant-climate-claims.aspx
CBC is pathetic . . . and they get over $1 billion a year in taxpayer subsidy.
This is the only coverage on CBC of Climategate.
They have a full news embargo on teh topic.
Its not the crime CBC, its the coverup
Canadian PM Harper & Australian PM Rudd – see from time index 0:45 onwards:
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/climate-fund/#clip240613
Note in particular what PM Harper says.
Jeremy….But of course, it’s somehow perfectly acceptable when major media organizations choose not to cover scandals in political arenas that are demanding billions of our dollars.
Right … and remember that the CBC is the same organization that played MIchael Moore’s piece of trash Fahrencrap 9/11. I write my MP regularly about the CBC and how I’m sick as a taxpayer funding this garbage and I recommend that everyone does the same. The fact that my tax dollars were sent to Michael Moore is about as repugnant as it gets.
Regarding the lamestream ‘not reporting on this story’, of course they are not. They are so heavily invested in the concept of promoting glowbull warmongering and have been (are) in lockstep with the IPCC/CRU at each step of the way …. so they can’t report on it and no one should expect them to. Frankly, this entire episode is an opportunity to drive a nail in their coffin and send them the way of the dinosaurs.
K….Notwhere in the contents does it explain how hackers skewed the emails. It is not acceptable that an agency funded by taxpayers would show such bias reporting. I hope someone’s head rolls for this.
Heads won’t roll unless you and everyone else create a big fuss about it with your MP. Write her/him and copy the PM’s office along with the head of the CBC. Will it do any good? What do you think would happen if 20,000,000 other Canadians do the same? What if only 1,000,000 do that? Personally, my letters have already gone but what I want is something different…. I don’t want heads to roll, I want the CBC defunded and out of the public sector entirely. CTV is just as bad but at least I’m not paying for them with my tax dollars. The climediagate is the perfect time for the activists to get rolling.
Paul….It should be a clue to many Canadians who are following this thread that CBC (left-wing) is breaking the story before CTV (right-wing)……The right-wing has been controlling the country….
Boy, you sure do have a strange definition of the ‘right-wing. I suppose that if one is a teeny weeny bit to the right of the far left (which pretty much sums up most of the country), they could be referred to as ‘right-wing’ but that would be stretch in the redefinition department in my books.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/quirks-blog/2009/11/climate_science_still_sound.html
Here is another example of the very latest one sided climate change reporting by CBC.
His final comment that “Fortunately. climate science stands on a firm footing of rigorous resersch and appropriately skeptical peer review …” shows that he is completely out of tune with the e-mails and the seriousness of the problem . Yet he is supposed to be the main science reporter for a publically funded network representing all Canadians . It is time to make changes at CBC
Re: Vern (05:35:48)
Bear in mind that in the current minority situation, it is important to the Conservatives that the NDP appear to be threatening the Liberals. CTV has a complicated job. Haven’t you noticed Tom Clark proudly wearing his orange tie with a coy smile?
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He’s doing almost as well as Duffy did, but Duff was the master! (…hence the golden handshake).
With regard to the song parody “Hide the Decline,” think there’s any truth to the rumor that Tommy James “Draggin’ the Line” is now one of the most popular tunes on the Penn State campus right now?
Ah, Dr. Mann. One lousy little mistake more than 20 years ago – corrupt data, screwed-to-death methodology, a “Chicken Little” response – and now you’re exposed as having been in on more than two decades’ worth of fraud that’s not only going to get you blackballed out of your profession (and all those retractions the journal editors are going to have to publish…) but almost certainly sent to prison for criminal activities including conspiracy.
They’re talking about invoking the RICO statutes. Isn’t that nice? Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
And we haven’t even gotten to the civil damages. Imagine Carl Sagan’s voice: “BILL-yuns and BILL-yuns….”