There has been fraud regarding funds on Climate Change research:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100019956/climategate-the-lawyers-move-in-those-scientists-are-toast/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu_ok37HDuE (ClimateGate Who’s Who)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI (Armed Response to ‘Climategate’ question). This is how the UN censors questions about Global Warming.

and more fraud in the carbon trading scheme:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategate-european-carbon-credit-trading-system-plagued-by-fraud/

And now, the question everyone should ask: How much carbon reduction is needed to reduce the temperature to the UN target?
Answer: A minimum of 80 years without electricity and without fuel. That is, no heating, no cooking, no cars, no trucks, no tractors for agriculture, no cargo boats and no planes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKCyk_DhVI (Climate-Gate – Michael Coren with Lord Christopher Monckton )

Follow the money….

“The carbon market in the US is expected to be trillions of dollars by 2015, and the technology we are offering is as little as 10% to half of that number”. Earning only 10% of a trillion represents an income of 100 billions a year, which is twice the total wealth of Bill Gates. Guess who is behind this corporation, to become a trillionaire? You have to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuifVNofEtk

Sirs and Mesdames:

You have ONE JOB: Your only job is to do one simple thing, You SWORE an Oath to uphold and defend the United States Constitution. That is your only job: HONOR your Oath of Office and Protect and Defend the United States Constitution and defend the Liberty of the People. Anything else you do is inconsequential…. See More
1. Prove the eligibility of Obama by showing a real Birth Certificate with real facts. The one on his website is not the official Birth Certificate.
2. Cease and desist all Co2 and AGW legislation until the Unbiased FACTS are revealed. Do a complete Investigation of Climate Gate.
3. Cease and desist all deliberation on signing any treaty that cedes US Sovereignty: this includes Copenhagen Treaty, Codex Aliminatarius, Health care legislation, Jay Rockefeller’s internet control bill! This is an act of Direct TREASON ON YOUR PART if you or anyone CEDES US Sovereignty to any entity or acts Contrary to the Constitution .
4. CEASE and DESIST all unconstitutional laws that do not fall into Article I section 8 of the US Constitution. You have no authority to legislate on issues not specifically enumerated in the US Constitution.
5. Honor your Oath of office and OBEY Amendment 9 which states: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others RETAINED by the PEOPLE”.
And Amendment 10 which states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are RESERVED to the States respectively, or to the People”.
6. Repeal the Patriot act! It is unconstitutional because it violates the bill of rights right down the line. Do I have to remind you that Amendment IV states: The right of the People to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation , and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
7. Stay out of FREE SPEECH! Amendment I clearly states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceable to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”.
8. Complete Audit of the Federal Reserve. The FED is unconstitutional from the start. The genesis of the Federal Reserve was passed with 3 Congressmen in the dark of night. The constitution is very clear who is supposed to have the authority to coin money: CONGRESS! You must STOP making unconstitutional laws.
9. It is not Constitutional for you to allow the courts to pass laws according to Article III. You are overburdening the system with bills and laws you KNOW are unconstitutional.
The Constitution does not give authority to you, our government representatives to lie to us and deceive us, nor does it give authority to the government to act without the consent of the people. When government no longer looks out for the best interest of the people, the government ceases to be the rightful, legitimate government, and as such, it is time to abolish the entire government. “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations , pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”.

Lucky for me that I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, so I’ve used maybe 20-30 hours to read up on this case.. However, it was kind of hard to find a good source for information, as many of the sceptics have little or no proof.

This page and some others; I find that I can trust.
It’s not good that the climate cause has become a milk-cow for a certain group of people, so they will do whatever to maxmize the propaganda and fear, they will mislead and cheat.

I must oppose the policy fixes that claim to prevent the death of the planet’s ecological systems from AGW. These policies and treaties (Kyoto, Copenhagen, Cap-and Tax etc) do far more than tinker with the mechanics of my car or the chemical make-up of its gasoline. Attempts to improve the environment at the level of technological improvements have happily been the arena of public debate and those that cross the bar of electorate approval are now part of our culture. Well and good. The recent and radical proposals have effects reaching far beyond the merely technical. These AGW related proposals truly deserve the name ‘draconian’. Our national sovereignty, personal freedoms, free market economy and republic stand to be destroyed. On top of that, media, government, academia and AGW science cabal suppress discussion, debate and, Gaia forbid, skepticism. Example: Not one story on network TV about ClimateGate! This is a demonstration of network political intent and their monopolistic stranglehold on information that should send chills down all our spines.

I can competently investigate the policies and their ramifications and their intent, IMO. I have enough background as a reader and thinker to do that, using the variety of sources available to me.

As to the science behind AGW, specifically the points about CO2 that you raise: I will check into the site you offer, but I am truly, as an untrained person, over my head in evaluating the material. I also have a built in skepticism, thanks to the emails and data REM’s that came out of CRU. Please grant me this legitimate skepticism, one built up on on first hand testimony of AGW principals. I CAN read the REM’s and emails and know darn well what motivations, intents, purposes and behaviors they indicate. At the heart of AGW, in its Holy of Holies (EAU, Penn State etc) lies a political purpose to which all scientific integrity has been prostituted. And that’s before Harry_Read_Me shows us all the uselessness of the data that got manipulated!

To sift through the jargon of a discussion of CO2 that may be influenced by the researcher’s need to be consistent with AGW beliefs, I need sites like this and, yes, Jim, comments like yours. I expect that you will keep me-and more competent posters- honest. But please focus on the point of the post. You sound desperate otherwise.

You could invest just 30 minutes reading about CO2′s actual properties and how it’s present in many layers of atmosphere while water vapor (etc.) effects are limited. This was learned back in the 1950s when the characteristics of different gases were categorized. Search for Gilbert Plass, et al. That is, if you’re not afraid of knowledge like most of the fringe-right.

AGW also wasn’t politicized back then because a decision had yet to be made on dealing with worst-case scenarios. Science is usually taken for granted until evidence compels people to change habits, then denial predictably kicks in and time gets wasted fighting it. Constructive skepticism is a different matter.

Something tells me that the moderator of this forum won’t allow my two comments, but what the heck.

[REPLY - Why wouldn't we? Opposing views are allowed and encouraged. Personal abuse to posters, obscenities, and offensive material, of course, will be snipped. ~ Evan]

Denial of AGW is similar to the denial of a long list of man-made environmental problems. Acid rain pollution controls were “draconian.” Catalytic converters were a power-robbing socialist conspiracy. CFCs and the ozone hole were a “hoax” to cripple auto shop profits. Remember those days? “The economy ain’t workin’ right unless it’s destroyin’ nature!”

There’s a very good presentation on the history of such propaganda, titled “The American Denial of Global Warming.” Google it and watch it for free online. That is, if you have an hour’s attention span. Most of you would rather get dumbed-down soundbytes on everything. Just enough to keep you happy, righteous and deluded.

[REPLY - Speaking as an atheist/agnostic, religion is faith-based, not evidence-based. Provide evidence and faith itself is lost in the wash. Creationism conflicts with science, so there is no surprise that the polls are wonky in that regard. But there is no biblical conflict with Global Warming, so GW is not analogous with the creationism/natural selection spat. ~ Evan]

As is often said in computerese, GIGO, garbage in – garbage out.

http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/10/working-to-develop-more-reliable-methodology-keith-briffa/

I love the Internet! Now, which way to the Bastille? The wheels have come off the GW HoaxWagon and I want to be there for the ritual burning of the carcass. I’m not even sure that I want to maintain my calm, collected and of-so-reflective outer facade for this event.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v391/n6668/abs/391678a0.html

https://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate

This feeding frenzy is disgusting. You all know that facts haven’t changed one way or the other. How about Watts and McIntyre release ALL their emails for the last 5 years to public scrutiny in the interest of freedom of information? I fully support an impartial inquiry, but it must include all relevant information.. INCLUDING ALL OF YOUR (Watts/McIntyre et al) data and emails and a criminal investigation into who stole the data and who knew it was happening. Then and only then can we clear this muddy water.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover_30y.uk.php

“You like the Danish polar temperatures graph, but how about the sea extent graph?”

That is an incredibly lame presentation of the NH sea ice data, showing basically only September minimum, where 91.67% of the annual sea ice data have been discarded. Why not show all of the data to get a full picture?

Re. Mark Serreze, have you taken him to task for his appallingly stupid and antiscientific (no basis in science) prediction of “ice free north pole” in 2008?

I stand corrected. Do we know if the Tom P. who used to post here has any affiliation at all with either the motley CRU or the Team? His (lack of) understanding of statistical methodology as well as his demeanor towards data sampling and manipulation would seem to make him fully qualified for membership of those cliques.