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Offence of altering etc. records with intent to prevent disclosure .(1)
Where— .
(a) a request for information has been made to a public authority, and .

(b) under section 1 of this Act or section 7 of the [1988 c. 29.] Data Protection Act 1998, the applicant would have been entitled (subject to payment of any fee) to communication of any information in accordance with that section, .

any person to whom this subsection applies is guilty of an offence if he alters, defaces, blocks, erases, destroys or conceals any record held by the public authority, with the intention of preventing the disclosure by that authority of all, or any part, of the information to the communication of which the applicant would have been entitled.

(2) Subsection (1) applies to the public authority and to any person who is employed by, is an officer of, or is subject to the direction of, the public authority. .

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale. .

(4) No proceedings for an offence under this section shall be instituted— .
(a) in England or Wales, except by the Commissioner or by or with the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions; .
(b) in Northern Ireland, except by the Commissioner or by or with the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland.

Many thanks,

w.

http://www.camcoglobal.com/media/images/Investor_presentation_610.pdf

http://www.camcoglobal.com/media/images/Camco2008AnnualReport_683.pdf

Guess who benefits?

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSL0490971420080604

“While Gore, a politician turned environmental activist chairs Generation Investment, David Blood, a former CEO of Goldman Sachs Asset Management, is managing partner of the firm, which was founded four years ago.”

You know the companies offering to buy and sell carbon credits. From what I have seen the balance sheet is not adding up. There are some recently bailed out banks involved what could be the largest ponzi scheme (by definition this fits) ever.

Interesting that ponzi schemes usually “collapse under their own weight”

I put it to the bloggers of the world to get to the bottom of the issue.

“…What further appears clear is that, in all likelihood, CRU were early movers in this field, at a time when the research was relatively low-key and not intrinsic to enormous economic decisions of politicians. Under such circumstances, retaining data and methods in house is OK, if not optimal….”

Actually Jaggar, the politics came first. Global warming is just a political whip being used to herd people in the direction wanted. This is why the news media will try to ignore “Climategate”

“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
Book – The First Global Revolution Club of Rome

Maurice Strong, a member of the Club of Rome ran with the above ideas by first organizing the 1972 Stockholm Conference on the environment and more recently by chairing the 1992 Rio summit on the environment.

Maurice Strong “has never stopped pressing for a world where UN resolutions would be enforced as law all over the Earth….

….In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. “I am convinced the prophets of doom have to be taken seriously,” he said….” http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Maurice-Strong/article1.html

Compare the Club of Rome statement to what Elaine Dewar wrote in Toronto’s Saturday Night magazine about Strong

“It is instructive to read Strong’s 1972 Stockholm speech and compare it with the issues of Earth Summit 1992. Strong warned urgently about global warming, the devastation of forests, the loss of biodiversity, polluted oceans, the population time bomb. Then as now, he invited to the conference the brand-new environmental NGOs [non-governmental organizations]: he gave them money to come; they were invited to raise hell at home. After Stockholm, environment issues became part of the administrative framework in Canada, the U.S., Britain, and Europe.”,/i>
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg106963.html

The proof is in how US (and EU) laws are now being written
“The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.” International Harmonization – FDA http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/int-laws.html

The World Trade Organization and the United Nations are now writing the laws for individual nations and the internal governments are rubber stamping them despite the protests from the voters.

To the moderators, Science has to be view with an eye to the political climate just ask Galileo.

note: Stephen Hawking says, “Galileo, perhaps more than any other single person, was responsible for the birth of modern science.” Galileo pioneered “experimental scientific method”

“Anthony can I be so bold as to make a addition to your scientific method, I know it’s probably assumed in your diagram, but when I did research we had to document everything we did at each stage. It was a long time ago (I can still see the quill pen and the inkpot on my desk) but before we did anything we documented in our day books exactly what we were doing and why. We then documented how we did it, and what the results were. Afterwards we would transfer the data in our day books to formal documentation for storage.

If anyone wanted to see what we’d done, how we’d done it and what the results were they were readily available. It is the ONLY way for scientific research to be pursued, but these guys, apart from being what the brits call “shifty” when asked for data, seem to have a complete haphazard methodology for producing scientific results.”

I second this statement Anthony. I worked in industry managing Quality Control Labs and yes we did have computers in the various plants where I worked. However ALL data was written in bound Lab notebooks each day. At the end of the day all entries were signed and dated and then counter signed and dated by me as manager. Routine internal calibration of the equipment and “official” external calibration was also documented and retained as well as samples of everything we made.

As a lowly BS Chemist, I am stunned to find a UNIVERSITY, full of PhDs, has a much shoddier “Scientific Method” than the various industries where I worked. The whole blasted University needs to be shut down if this is an example of the “Scientific Method” they are teaching. It is worse than having ex-Cons teaching ethics courses!

You’re not only idiots, you’re dangerous idiots.

Drs. Jones and Mann and the rest also think we are dangerous. If that was intended for me, I’ll take it as a compliment.

Just a picky note for Willis: “fulfil” is an acceptable variant spelling, so you might want to remove the “[sic]” from the letter you received from Kitty Inglis.

Thanks, Bonnie, duly noted.

w.

It will be interesting to know what responses you received from the list above.

A note to John McManus: Agencies which collect data, such as the UN, World Bank, government agencies usually publish data without being asked. If there is something that you don’t find then they’re quite willing to find it.

It’s pretty obvious that this campaign was neither a sincere search for information nor even a fishing expedition.

You had all the information ( see your language above) you requested in your possession. The only rational for your behaviour is an simple attempt to wast the tine and money of the CRU.

John, this is absolutely untrue. We still do not have the raw data, right up to today. Before the poolpah broke around their heads, the most recent excuse for not releasing was that it was “lost”. But that was bullshit, too.

Phil Jones (1255298593)

The original raw data are not lost either. I could reconstruct what we had from some DoE reports we published in the mid-1980s. I would start with the GHCN data. I know that the effort would be a complete wate [waste] of time though. I may get around to it some time.

So no, I’m not trying to “wast the tine and money of the CRU” as you say. I’m just trying to get access to taxpayer funded data.

Judy Woodruff (also) works for the Jim Lehrer News Hour, a highly respected, balanced, prime time news program on Public Television. She referred to the hacked e-mail story tonight on the News Hour, and the terse response from CRU (roughly quoted) that, “We are sticking with the facts that man-made global warming is an imminent threat to the Earth.”

Disappointing on several fronts, but it’s encouraging to me that the story got some coverage. Lehrer’s program has been a regular forum for pro-global warming stories, including the segments put out by Climate Central.

The hacked e-mail stories are just beginning to be written, as skeptics pour through them, and find out what each has to say about the politicking that went on. There’s time for many more to be written before Copenhagen, and before spring when U.S. and world leaders will meet again.