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	<title>Comments on: More on the record high-low temperature debacle</title>
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		<title>By: Lee Kington</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/15/more-on-the-record-high-low-temperature-debacle/#comment-283182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Kington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe there is value to knowing &#039;which&#039; records are broken. When were they set and what is the differential. As previously noted by others .... during a warm period (which we have warmed) it is less likely to break a cold record then a warm record. 


I think that if you tier periods...

Early 1900&#039;s = A
Mid 1900&#039;s = B
Late 1900&#039;s = C

A high record set in A being broken in C by 0.1 to me has little meaning.
A high record set in C and broken in C by 1.2 degrees would be more important, but, then I would have to consider &#039;why&#039; (ie; ElNino, etc)

A cold record set in A broken in C by any amount having significance and if broken with a fairly large differential then even more so.

The probability of a record high set in A being broken in C is high.
The probability of a record low set in A being broken in C is low.

What about all time record highs by continent? Where do they  stand?

Highest temperatures recorded by continent:

Africa – 136 – 1922
North America – 134 – 1913
Asia – 129 – 1942
Australia – 128 – 1889
Europe – 122 – 1881
South America – 120 – 1905
Oceania – 108 – 1912
Antarctica – 59 – 1974

It seems that each is a statistical anomaly relative to records in general.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there is value to knowing &#8216;which&#8217; records are broken. When were they set and what is the differential. As previously noted by others &#8230;. during a warm period (which we have warmed) it is less likely to break a cold record then a warm record. </p>
<p>I think that if you tier periods&#8230;</p>
<p>Early 1900&#8242;s = A<br />
Mid 1900&#8242;s = B<br />
Late 1900&#8242;s = C</p>
<p>A high record set in A being broken in C by 0.1 to me has little meaning.<br />
A high record set in C and broken in C by 1.2 degrees would be more important, but, then I would have to consider &#8216;why&#8217; (ie; ElNino, etc)</p>
<p>A cold record set in A broken in C by any amount having significance and if broken with a fairly large differential then even more so.</p>
<p>The probability of a record high set in A being broken in C is high.<br />
The probability of a record low set in A being broken in C is low.</p>
<p>What about all time record highs by continent? Where do they  stand?</p>
<p>Highest temperatures recorded by continent:</p>
<p>Africa – 136 – 1922<br />
North America – 134 – 1913<br />
Asia – 129 – 1942<br />
Australia – 128 – 1889<br />
Europe – 122 – 1881<br />
South America – 120 – 1905<br />
Oceania – 108 – 1912<br />
Antarctica – 59 – 1974</p>
<p>It seems that each is a statistical anomaly relative to records in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Ivan Cronkhite</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Ivan Cronkhite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Global warming was predicted to increase the temperature of Daily lows the most.  You can read about it in Carl Sagan&#039;s &quot;NUCLEAR WINTER&quot; which he published in 1983!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming was predicted to increase the temperature of Daily lows the most.  You can read about it in Carl Sagan&#8217;s &#8220;NUCLEAR WINTER&#8221; which he published in 1983!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Greybrd (01:39:14)

Thanks for sharing that.
One of the patterns I noticed in your numbers has given me an insight into a regional TMin x TMax cross-wavelet analysis I ran more than a year ago (&amp; shelved).  [Btw: This raises &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; serious questions about homogenization-procedures.]

I continue to find the 1920-1940 period fascinating.
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/PolarMotionPeriodMorlet2piPower.PNG
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/ChandlerPeriodAgassizBC,CanadaPrecipitationTimePlot.PNG
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/JN2&amp;Pr.1840.png
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/MorletPi_Phase(Pr.-r..).png
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/TPM_SSD_LNC_3.png
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/Phase_JN_Pr..png
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/GA_MapXL_Line.PNG
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/CumuSumAMO.png
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/sqrtaayoy.sq22.png
It is &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; unfortunate that many of our climate records do not extend back that far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Greybrd (01:39:14)</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing that.<br />
One of the patterns I noticed in your numbers has given me an insight into a regional TMin x TMax cross-wavelet analysis I ran more than a year ago (&amp; shelved).  [Btw: This raises <i>very</i> serious questions about homogenization-procedures.]</p>
<p>I continue to find the 1920-1940 period fascinating.<br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/PolarMotionPeriodMorlet2piPower.PNG" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/PolarMotionPeriodMorlet2piPower.PNG</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/ChandlerPeriodAgassizBC,CanadaPrecipitationTimePlot.PNG" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/ChandlerPeriodAgassizBC,CanadaPrecipitationTimePlot.PNG</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/JN2&#038;Pr.1840.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/JN2&#038;Pr.1840.png</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/MorletPi_Phase(Pr.-r" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/MorletPi_Phase(Pr.-r</a>..).png<br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/TPM_SSD_LNC_3.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/TPM_SSD_LNC_3.png</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/Phase_JN_Pr" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/Phase_JN_Pr</a>..png<br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/GA_MapXL_Line.PNG" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/GA_MapXL_Line.PNG</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/CumuSumAMO.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/CumuSumAMO.png</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/sqrtaayoy.sq22.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/sqrtaayoy.sq22.png</a><br />
It is <i>really</i> unfortunate that many of our climate records do not extend back that far.</p>
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		<title>By: Greybrd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greybrd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I burrowed through our local(Yes, I realize they&#039;re local) record temperatures and had some similar findings. Instead of breaking them down by month, I used the seasons and broke them down further into warm(Spring/Summer and cool(Autumn/Winter). Our records are from 1893-Present and I divided them into four eras, 1893-1919(A), 20&#039;s-40&#039;s(B), 50s-1978(C) and 1979-Present(D).

It gave a different look at what records were set during which periods.

Highs:
A-53.9% S/S, 46.1 A/W
B-66.7% S/S, 33.3 A/W
C-33.3% S/S, 66.7% A/W
D-42.1% S/S, 57.9$ A/W

Low highs:
A-50% S/S, 50% A/W
B-50% S/S, 50% A/W
C-53.4% S/S, 46.6% A/W
D-49.5% S/S, 50.5 A/W

Lows:
A-46.4% S/S, 53.6% A/W
B-56.9% S/S, 43.1% A/W
C-42.4% S/S, 57.6% A/W
D-58.5% S/S, 41.5 A/W

High lows:
A-57.9% S/S, 42.1% A/W
B-52.5% S/S, 47.5% A/W
C-46.2% S/S, 53.8% A/W
D-48.3% S/S, 51.7 A/W

The number of records also shifted:

Highs per year:
A-2.8
B-4
C-2.6
D-3.2

High records are relatively constant except for era B, which included the 30&#039;s.

Low highs per year:
A-3.4
B-2.6
C-3.6
D-3.1

Fairly constant.

Lows per year:
A-4.1
B-3.9
C-2.9
D-1.8

A measurable decline from B through C.

High lows per year:
A-2.8
B-2.7
C-2.2
D-4.8

So I saw the largest anomaly in record lows, which declined measurably and record high lows, which rose measurably. The only variables that stayed fairly constant were highs and low highs. I also noticed that more of the high records in recent years(D) occurred in autumn and winter and more of the low records were set in spring and summer.

So it could be it&#039;s not just the time of day when records are being set but also the time of year. (Again, I recognize this is just my little corner of the world.)

Don&#039;t be too hard on me, I&#039;m just a middle aged guy with some time on my hands. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I burrowed through our local(Yes, I realize they&#8217;re local) record temperatures and had some similar findings. Instead of breaking them down by month, I used the seasons and broke them down further into warm(Spring/Summer and cool(Autumn/Winter). Our records are from 1893-Present and I divided them into four eras, 1893-1919(A), 20&#8242;s-40&#8242;s(B), 50s-1978(C) and 1979-Present(D).</p>
<p>It gave a different look at what records were set during which periods.</p>
<p>Highs:<br />
A-53.9% S/S, 46.1 A/W<br />
B-66.7% S/S, 33.3 A/W<br />
C-33.3% S/S, 66.7% A/W<br />
D-42.1% S/S, 57.9$ A/W</p>
<p>Low highs:<br />
A-50% S/S, 50% A/W<br />
B-50% S/S, 50% A/W<br />
C-53.4% S/S, 46.6% A/W<br />
D-49.5% S/S, 50.5 A/W</p>
<p>Lows:<br />
A-46.4% S/S, 53.6% A/W<br />
B-56.9% S/S, 43.1% A/W<br />
C-42.4% S/S, 57.6% A/W<br />
D-58.5% S/S, 41.5 A/W</p>
<p>High lows:<br />
A-57.9% S/S, 42.1% A/W<br />
B-52.5% S/S, 47.5% A/W<br />
C-46.2% S/S, 53.8% A/W<br />
D-48.3% S/S, 51.7 A/W</p>
<p>The number of records also shifted:</p>
<p>Highs per year:<br />
A-2.8<br />
B-4<br />
C-2.6<br />
D-3.2</p>
<p>High records are relatively constant except for era B, which included the 30&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Low highs per year:<br />
A-3.4<br />
B-2.6<br />
C-3.6<br />
D-3.1</p>
<p>Fairly constant.</p>
<p>Lows per year:<br />
A-4.1<br />
B-3.9<br />
C-2.9<br />
D-1.8</p>
<p>A measurable decline from B through C.</p>
<p>High lows per year:<br />
A-2.8<br />
B-2.7<br />
C-2.2<br />
D-4.8</p>
<p>So I saw the largest anomaly in record lows, which declined measurably and record high lows, which rose measurably. The only variables that stayed fairly constant were highs and low highs. I also noticed that more of the high records in recent years(D) occurred in autumn and winter and more of the low records were set in spring and summer.</p>
<p>So it could be it&#8217;s not just the time of day when records are being set but also the time of year. (Again, I recognize this is just my little corner of the world.)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be too hard on me, I&#8217;m just a middle aged guy with some time on my hands. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meehl is a sophisticated player surviving (with grace actually - perhaps I should say &quot;flourishing&quot;) in a world of sharks &amp; wolves.  Let&#039;s not forget the research he does on links between solar &amp; hydrologic cycles (for which he needs to attract funding).  My instinct is that there is a &lt;i&gt;method&lt;/i&gt; to the recent (apparent) &quot;madness&quot;.  Watch the way he smiles coyly in the video. This guy is capable of smoothly getting wool over the eyes of even the sharp - and additionally they &lt;i&gt;won&#039;t feel threatened by it&lt;/i&gt; because it comes with the polish of temporal restraint (i.e. they&#039;ll trust him to apply &quot;cordial&quot; judgement in timing publicity of his findings on &lt;i&gt;natural&lt;/i&gt; climate variation).  As with Trenberth, I&#039;m not writing this guy off because there may be opportunity to learn something important about natural climate cycles from these people, despite whatever political dances they may be doing to maintain secure funding-trains for their research programs on natural climate variation. Interesting psychologically, scientifically, politically... - layers of complexity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meehl is a sophisticated player surviving (with grace actually &#8211; perhaps I should say &#8220;flourishing&#8221;) in a world of sharks &amp; wolves.  Let&#8217;s not forget the research he does on links between solar &amp; hydrologic cycles (for which he needs to attract funding).  My instinct is that there is a <i>method</i> to the recent (apparent) &#8220;madness&#8221;.  Watch the way he smiles coyly in the video. This guy is capable of smoothly getting wool over the eyes of even the sharp &#8211; and additionally they <i>won&#8217;t feel threatened by it</i> because it comes with the polish of temporal restraint (i.e. they&#8217;ll trust him to apply &#8220;cordial&#8221; judgement in timing publicity of his findings on <i>natural</i> climate variation).  As with Trenberth, I&#8217;m not writing this guy off because there may be opportunity to learn something important about natural climate cycles from these people, despite whatever political dances they may be doing to maintain secure funding-trains for their research programs on natural climate variation. Interesting psychologically, scientifically, politically&#8230; &#8211; layers of complexity.</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something I noticed immediately on the graphs you show - and it screams bad statistical practice out loud. The fitted theoretical curves have no &#039;error&#039; envelope which would allow a viewer to visually assess any meaningful deviation of individual points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I noticed immediately on the graphs you show &#8211; and it screams bad statistical practice out loud. The fitted theoretical curves have no &#8216;error&#8217; envelope which would allow a viewer to visually assess any meaningful deviation of individual points.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, but the Expected Count curve in Figure 1 does not fit the data. Most of the data points are below the line. Hence the Expected Count is over-predicted. Ergo, &lt;em&gt;fewer&lt;/em&gt; records are being set than predicted by the Null Warming Model. If you credit this data with any veracity (a stretch due to UHI effect, false readings, etc.), the implication is that the climate is moderating (fewer records than expected).

It is also interesting that from 1960 to 1980 the cold records outnumber the warm records. So that must have been a cooling period (given the questionable assumptions and data).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but the Expected Count curve in Figure 1 does not fit the data. Most of the data points are below the line. Hence the Expected Count is over-predicted. Ergo, <em>fewer</em> records are being set than predicted by the Null Warming Model. If you credit this data with any veracity (a stretch due to UHI effect, false readings, etc.), the implication is that the climate is moderating (fewer records than expected).</p>
<p>It is also interesting that from 1960 to 1980 the cold records outnumber the warm records. So that must have been a cooling period (given the questionable assumptions and data).</p>
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		<title>By: Russ R.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russ R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Finn (10:54:41)

&quot;Is it? I reckon the next 5 years will be warmer than the last 5 years.&quot;

I hope you are right, John. A warm planet is more productive than a cold one.  But this NCAR paper is no evidence of what will happen. It is meant for the AGW faithful, who are crying in their whine coolers over the pre-emptive failure of Copenhagen.
There are many ways to massage numbers, and most of them have been used to keep this AGW balloon inflated. The key is the climate sensitivity to CO2. If it turns out to be low, then the balloon has to pop, no matter how you, or anyone else feels about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Finn (10:54:41)</p>
<p>&#8220;Is it? I reckon the next 5 years will be warmer than the last 5 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you are right, John. A warm planet is more productive than a cold one.  But this NCAR paper is no evidence of what will happen. It is meant for the AGW faithful, who are crying in their whine coolers over the pre-emptive failure of Copenhagen.<br />
There are many ways to massage numbers, and most of them have been used to keep this AGW balloon inflated. The key is the climate sensitivity to CO2. If it turns out to be low, then the balloon has to pop, no matter how you, or anyone else feels about it.</p>
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		<title>By: twawki</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[twawki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick Davis (03:09:08) :

But I have noticed over the years that the 1/10th of a degree measurement seem to be rounded in the recorded mininums and maximums. 

.....................

The other thing to notice Patrick is that when we have a day that looks like setting a cold record the BOM thermometer will all of a sudden &#039;jump&#039; above the record minimum at Observatory Hill though the rest of the stations in Sydney remain FLAT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Davis (03:09:08) :</p>
<p>But I have noticed over the years that the 1/10th of a degree measurement seem to be rounded in the recorded mininums and maximums. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The other thing to notice Patrick is that when we have a day that looks like setting a cold record the BOM thermometer will all of a sudden &#8216;jump&#8217; above the record minimum at Observatory Hill though the rest of the stations in Sydney remain FLAT.</p>
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		<title>By: John Finn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Finn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Steve Keohane (08:17:06) :&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;i&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt; John Finn (03:53:13) : At least it could be argued that CO2 is most effective at night and in winter since it might slow down the rate of cooling, i.e. when outgoing energy exceeds incoming energy  &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;i&gt; Except it doesn’t to any measure. Go to any desert or dry climate where it cools 40-50° every night. UHI is adding degrees and you’re hanging onto something that “might” have a fraction of a degree effect that can’t be observed? In that same dry climate place, lingering humidity after a rainshower, or thin high clouds can keep the night time heat loss to 10°. CO2 has no place on a scale of things that have a real world effect on climate. &lt;/i&gt;

UHI is not an issue.  Over the last 20 years satellite readings have measured the same warming as the surface records. 

The fact that the drier desert cools faster than more hiumid regions is tells us very little about the effectiveness of  CO2.

&lt;i&gt; Russ R. (08:19:51) : 

So we have had some cyclical warming that is coming to an end. &lt;/i&gt;

Is it? I reckon the next 5 years will be warmer than the last 5 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Steve Keohane (08:17:06) :</i> </p>
<p><i><br />
<blockquote> John Finn (03:53:13) : At least it could be argued that CO2 is most effective at night and in winter since it might slow down the rate of cooling, i.e. when outgoing energy exceeds incoming energy  </p></blockquote>
<p></i> </p>
<p><i> Except it doesn’t to any measure. Go to any desert or dry climate where it cools 40-50° every night. UHI is adding degrees and you’re hanging onto something that “might” have a fraction of a degree effect that can’t be observed? In that same dry climate place, lingering humidity after a rainshower, or thin high clouds can keep the night time heat loss to 10°. CO2 has no place on a scale of things that have a real world effect on climate. </i></p>
<p>UHI is not an issue.  Over the last 20 years satellite readings have measured the same warming as the surface records. </p>
<p>The fact that the drier desert cools faster than more hiumid regions is tells us very little about the effectiveness of  CO2.</p>
<p><i> Russ R. (08:19:51) : </p>
<p>So we have had some cyclical warming that is coming to an end. </i></p>
<p>Is it? I reckon the next 5 years will be warmer than the last 5 years.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we have had some cyclical warming that is coming to an end. I fail to see the dire conseqences that will lead to CAGW. 
The cyclical nature of the climate is the concensus position, because it has never been clearly rejected with real, reproducable evidence.
The cycle has peaked and the propaganda will soon peak in an effort to deny the reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we have had some cyclical warming that is coming to an end. I fail to see the dire conseqences that will lead to CAGW.<br />
The cyclical nature of the climate is the concensus position, because it has never been clearly rejected with real, reproducable evidence.<br />
The cycle has peaked and the propaganda will soon peak in an effort to deny the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keohane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Keohane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;John Finn (03:53:13) : At least it could be argued that CO2 is most effective at night and in winter since it might slow down the rate of cooling, i.e. when outgoing energy exceeds incoming energy&lt;/i&gt;
Except it doesn&#039;t to any measure. Go to any desert or dry climate where it cools 40-50° every night. UHI is adding degrees and you&#039;re hanging onto something that &quot;might&quot; have a fraction of a degree effect that can&#039;t be observed? In that same dry climate place, lingering humidity after a rainshower, or thin high clouds can keep the night time heat loss to 10°. CO2 has no place on a scale of things that have a real world effect on climate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>John Finn (03:53:13) : At least it could be argued that CO2 is most effective at night and in winter since it might slow down the rate of cooling, i.e. when outgoing energy exceeds incoming energy</i><br />
Except it doesn&#8217;t to any measure. Go to any desert or dry climate where it cools 40-50° every night. UHI is adding degrees and you&#8217;re hanging onto something that &#8220;might&#8221; have a fraction of a degree effect that can&#8217;t be observed? In that same dry climate place, lingering humidity after a rainshower, or thin high clouds can keep the night time heat loss to 10°. CO2 has no place on a scale of things that have a real world effect on climate.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graham Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some heartening news here:
Global warming is not our fault, say most voters in Times poll
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916648.ece]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some heartening news here:<br />
Global warming is not our fault, say most voters in Times poll<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916648.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916648.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gary gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Anger is starting to grow over the obvious charade of false highs and the climate which is doing exactly opposite to what they are claiming.&quot;

Despite the NPR,  NOAA, NCAR full court press, here in MN the &#039;private&#039; media are panning AGW as one.   Given three nights below -25 F, and three days above 90 F in the last 12 months,  confidence in government is in free-fall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anger is starting to grow over the obvious charade of false highs and the climate which is doing exactly opposite to what they are claiming.&#8221;</p>
<p>Despite the NPR,  NOAA, NCAR full court press, here in MN the &#8216;private&#8217; media are panning AGW as one.   Given three nights below -25 F, and three days above 90 F in the last 12 months,  confidence in government is in free-fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas DC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas DC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gee another present for Copenhagen, and there is no Pony under the tree,
just a pile of fresh manure...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee another present for Copenhagen, and there is no Pony under the tree,<br />
just a pile of fresh manure&#8230;</p>
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