Thanks for the excellent references

Tonyb

SW Greenland from 1784:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/greenland/vintheretal2006.pdf

Torne valley in Northern Sweden from 1802:
http://www.su.se/pub/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=6746&a=23593

This reference has a fairly comprehensive list of european temperature series going back before 1800:

http://www.giub.unibe.ch/klimet/docs/SOM_luterbacheretal_science.pdf

The bad news is that the project is funded by the Hadley centre who said at the outset that the project will demonstrate the evolution of man made climate change (or words to that effect)

Its hardly objective material so you need to dig deep. I used some of the raw material in my article on historic ice variations.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/20/historic-variation-in-arctic-ice/#more-8688

Tonyb

Thank you! I had no idea these were on line!

try: http://www.corral.org.uk/

by 1685 was a professionally trained force with access to temperature instrumentation standardised by the royal society twenty years previously.

east anglia university takes it seriously enough:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/e76867q12842270m/

Thanks for all the interesting grape data-I think we ought to go over and examine it first hand at the wineries.

Tonyb

didn’t reference the swiss grape data!
Swiss grape data
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/historical/europe/switzerland/meier2007grape.txt
Main page:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/meier2007/meier2007.html

David Ball (20:54:34) :
“Very interesting read Vukcevic!! I would be interested in any further research you do on this subject.”

Thanks for your notes. I am not particularly well organized, so there is lot more material to be put together, once I do that I will be back with the details.

You can contact me at tony (at) climatereason.com

Best regards

tonyb

Last night on BBC television, Ray Mears’ programme “Northern Wilderness” was all about retracing the steps of Samuel Hearne. That will be available on line from BBC i-player, but whether or not it’s available from outside the UK I couldn’t say. Fascinating programme, though (as always from Mears).

Another very readable post. Thanks.

Is there some way of contacting you directly? I started something last night that may interest you but just don’t have the bandwidth to post it on an open forum.

You mentioned that you welcomed comments on UHI and this was discussed in Poles Apart a book by Gareth Morgan and John McCrystal. They make a few comments that helped clarify this for me.

1.” Tall buildings obstruct the night sky and reduce the amount of re-radiated energy escaping to space”……. so these tall buildings would be bouncing IR off each other horizontally I guess and the taller the buildings the more this effect.
2.”Buildings also reduce the movement of wind”…..so sure about this, wind can be amplified but not everywhere.
3.”Paved surfaces are not subject to the cooling effect of evapotranspiration”
4.The entropy effect “Lighting,A/C,combustion engine heat”.

This is fairly general stuff,but it can be seen that micro-climates could exist within an urban area so the temp reading needs to be specific about which section of the HI you are measuring.