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	<title>Comments on: Democrats throw in the towel on climate bill</title>
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		<title>By: Zeke the Sneak</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/12/democrats-throw-in-the-towel-on-climate-bill/#comment-224889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zeke the Sneak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gail Combs (07:27:18) : Thank you for the heads up on HR 2749.

It seems Congress has so much time on its hands, it wants to manage the dirt under your feet, too.

&lt;b&gt;S.Res.440&lt;/b&gt; - &lt;i&gt;A resolution recognizing soil as an essential natural resource, and soils professionals as playing a critical role in managing our Nation&#039;s soil resources.


Recognizes: 
(1) the necessity to develop and implement best practices for the long-term use of the nation&apos;s soil resources; and 
(2) the important role of soil scientists and soils professionals. Acknowledges the promise of soil scientists and soils professionals to continue to enrich the lives of all Americans by improving stewardship of the soil, combating soil degradation, and ensuring the future protection and sustainable use of our air, soil, and water resources.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail Combs (07:27:18) : Thank you for the heads up on HR 2749.</p>
<p>It seems Congress has so much time on its hands, it wants to manage the dirt under your feet, too.</p>
<p><b>S.Res.440</b> &#8211; <i>A resolution recognizing soil as an essential natural resource, and soils professionals as playing a critical role in managing our Nation&#8217;s soil resources.</p>
<p>Recognizes:<br />
(1) the necessity to develop and implement best practices for the long-term use of the nation&apos;s soil resources; and<br />
(2) the important role of soil scientists and soils professionals. Acknowledges the promise of soil scientists and soils professionals to continue to enrich the lives of all Americans by improving stewardship of the soil, combating soil degradation, and ensuring the future protection and sustainable use of our air, soil, and water resources.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Gail Combs</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/12/democrats-throw-in-the-towel-on-climate-bill/#comment-224508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gail Combs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks much for all the  effort - BOOKMARKED.
I am hoping for a very frigid winter this year with the Thames, the Hudson and the Potomac rivers frozen solid.  Even then they would twist it around and blame it on Mankind...Sigh

I wonder if tabling the Cap and Trade bill is so Pelosi and Waxman can concentrate their political clout on Waxman&#039;s other treasonous bill HR 2749 (food Safety)  It has already passed the house by an overwhelming majority.

The bill has some very strange wording such as &quot; HR 2749 would give FDA the power to order a quarantine of a geographic area, including “prohibiting or restricting the movement of food or of any vehicle being used or that has been used to transport or hold such food within the geographic area.”&quot;   http://farmwars.info/?p=1145

The bill allows the government to micromanage farms and gardens.  You would think they had learned from the fiasco they made of farms in the USSR.  Given we no longer stockpile surplus, we may have the choice between starvation or freezing to death in coming years... If that is you can find a job to pay for food and heat.

I sometimes think those currently in power have let their victory at the polls in 2008 go to their head and are literally running mad as they try to establish complete control over every aspect of our lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks much for all the  effort &#8211; BOOKMARKED.<br />
I am hoping for a very frigid winter this year with the Thames, the Hudson and the Potomac rivers frozen solid.  Even then they would twist it around and blame it on Mankind&#8230;Sigh</p>
<p>I wonder if tabling the Cap and Trade bill is so Pelosi and Waxman can concentrate their political clout on Waxman&#8217;s other treasonous bill HR 2749 (food Safety)  It has already passed the house by an overwhelming majority.</p>
<p>The bill has some very strange wording such as &#8221; HR 2749 would give FDA the power to order a quarantine of a geographic area, including “prohibiting or restricting the movement of food or of any vehicle being used or that has been used to transport or hold such food within the geographic area.”&#8221;   <a href="http://farmwars.info/?p=1145" rel="nofollow">http://farmwars.info/?p=1145</a></p>
<p>The bill allows the government to micromanage farms and gardens.  You would think they had learned from the fiasco they made of farms in the USSR.  Given we no longer stockpile surplus, we may have the choice between starvation or freezing to death in coming years&#8230; If that is you can find a job to pay for food and heat.</p>
<p>I sometimes think those currently in power have let their victory at the polls in 2008 go to their head and are literally running mad as they try to establish complete control over every aspect of our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Bones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Indiana Bones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What will a Government do if millions of Americans tun in their passports?&quot;

What will EPA officials do if they are put on trial for high crimes and misdemeanors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What will a Government do if millions of Americans tun in their passports?&#8221;</p>
<p>What will EPA officials do if they are put on trial for high crimes and misdemeanors?</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;How to take it out off EPA’s hands? Easy. Petition State and Federal “Law Makers” to declare CO2 gas a non pollutant.&lt;/i&gt;

That will never do. You have to have a positive spin. Declare it a Tree Food and enact a small subsidy. If you want opposition to AGW non-sense it is a good idea to buy it. Cheaper than shutting down our power systems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How to take it out off EPA’s hands? Easy. Petition State and Federal “Law Makers” to declare CO2 gas a non pollutant.</i></p>
<p>That will never do. You have to have a positive spin. Declare it a Tree Food and enact a small subsidy. If you want opposition to AGW non-sense it is a good idea to buy it. Cheaper than shutting down our power systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smokey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting column from &lt;i&gt;Forbes&lt;/i&gt; magazine by Peter Huber: &lt;a href=&quot;http://uddebatt.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;click&lt;/a&gt; [scroll down to &quot;Carbon trading&quot;.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting column from <i>Forbes</i> magazine by Peter Huber: <a href="http://uddebatt.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">click</a> [scroll down to "Carbon trading".]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/12/democrats-throw-in-the-towel-on-climate-bill/#comment-223787</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rbateman (15:46:54) :

&quot;Cap &amp; Trade better than EPA? I doubt seriously that a 50%+ surcharge on everything would be better than a 50%+ tax on all industry.

It matters not whether your car hits a 6′ through oak tree or a brick wall at 65mph.
The vehicle and passenger are both going to get totaled&quot;.

I say no surrender to the hoax.
The push from EPA is intended to pressure the Senate.
The establishment want their Cap &amp; Trade.
If the Senate decides positive we are screwed.
EPA can be put on trial and it cold take years of legal procedures to quite them down.
In the mean time the opposition will grow.
If they can&#039;t be stopped, pack your stuff an look for another country and turn in your passport. This can be done easily and there still are fine places with a good level of development, good medical services and fast internet.

What will a Government do if millions of Americans tun in their passports?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbateman (15:46:54) :</p>
<p>&#8220;Cap &amp; Trade better than EPA? I doubt seriously that a 50%+ surcharge on everything would be better than a 50%+ tax on all industry.</p>
<p>It matters not whether your car hits a 6′ through oak tree or a brick wall at 65mph.<br />
The vehicle and passenger are both going to get totaled&#8221;.</p>
<p>I say no surrender to the hoax.<br />
The push from EPA is intended to pressure the Senate.<br />
The establishment want their Cap &amp; Trade.<br />
If the Senate decides positive we are screwed.<br />
EPA can be put on trial and it cold take years of legal procedures to quite them down.<br />
In the mean time the opposition will grow.<br />
If they can&#8217;t be stopped, pack your stuff an look for another country and turn in your passport. This can be done easily and there still are fine places with a good level of development, good medical services and fast internet.</p>
<p>What will a Government do if millions of Americans tun in their passports?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/12/democrats-throw-in-the-towel-on-climate-bill/#comment-223765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solar power lies:
It has become clear that Copenhagen is not about the climate but about World Government. In the mean time Solar and wind are pushed by law.
But what is the price?
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/11/solar-power-lies.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar power lies:<br />
It has become clear that Copenhagen is not about the climate but about World Government. In the mean time Solar and wind are pushed by law.<br />
But what is the price?<br />
<a href="http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/11/solar-power-lies.html" rel="nofollow">http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/11/solar-power-lies.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/12/democrats-throw-in-the-towel-on-climate-bill/#comment-223760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clinton: No binding climate deal at Denmark talks
    
MANILA, Philippines – Next month&#039;s climate change summit in Copenhagen is not likely to produce a legally binding treaty to cut the greenhouse gas emissions that are widely blamed for global warming, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday.

Speaking to a town hall meeting of students at a university in the Philippine capital, Clinton said the Obama administration would push instead for a strong &quot;framework agreement&quot; that could become a template for an eventual enforceable pact.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_bi_ge/climate_change

&quot;the Obama administration would push instead for a strong &quot;framework agreement&quot; that could become a template for an eventual enforceable pact&quot;


That is exactly that part of the Copenhagen Agreement Lord Monckton has been warning us for. It&#039;s exactly that part of the agreement why they started the climate change hoax for in the first place.

An enforcable pact = World Government

Watch this with the eyes of a hawk and call those Senators that we don&#039;t want the US to sign of it&#039;s sovereignty, tell them CO2 is no climate driver and the IPCC is wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton: No binding climate deal at Denmark talks</p>
<p>MANILA, Philippines – Next month&#8217;s climate change summit in Copenhagen is not likely to produce a legally binding treaty to cut the greenhouse gas emissions that are widely blamed for global warming, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday.</p>
<p>Speaking to a town hall meeting of students at a university in the Philippine capital, Clinton said the Obama administration would push instead for a strong &#8220;framework agreement&#8221; that could become a template for an eventual enforceable pact.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_bi_ge/climate_change" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_bi_ge/climate_change</a></p>
<p>&#8220;the Obama administration would push instead for a strong &#8220;framework agreement&#8221; that could become a template for an eventual enforceable pact&#8221;</p>
<p>That is exactly that part of the Copenhagen Agreement Lord Monckton has been warning us for. It&#8217;s exactly that part of the agreement why they started the climate change hoax for in the first place.</p>
<p>An enforcable pact = World Government</p>
<p>Watch this with the eyes of a hawk and call those Senators that we don&#8217;t want the US to sign of it&#8217;s sovereignty, tell them CO2 is no climate driver and the IPCC is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kerry opens web site to tell the truth about our climate:
Fighting the lies is his ultimate mission, the stakes are to high!
http://www.johnkerry.com/blog

They won&#039;t give up...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry opens web site to tell the truth about our climate:<br />
Fighting the lies is his ultimate mission, the stakes are to high!<br />
<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnkerry.com/blog</a></p>
<p>They won&#8217;t give up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pragmatic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“And I’m confident that the American people will recognize the enormous opportunity around a clean energy economy and the ability for us to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions,” he adds.&lt;/i&gt;

What we are finally realizing is that we cannot have a vibrant economy if regulation of GHGs are artificially shutting down industry, and enriching commodities traders.  This is a transition - not a sprint.  

There is a healthy lack of the expression &quot;Climate Change&quot; in the President&#039;s language.  Redirecting the campaign to the issue of energy consumption and independence is the key to an accord acceptable by critics.

This would also mean PR stunts with children imploring the President to go to Kobenhaven to save the polar bears... cease.  Leave the children out of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“And I’m confident that the American people will recognize the enormous opportunity around a clean energy economy and the ability for us to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions,” he adds.</i></p>
<p>What we are finally realizing is that we cannot have a vibrant economy if regulation of GHGs are artificially shutting down industry, and enriching commodities traders.  This is a transition &#8211; not a sprint.  </p>
<p>There is a healthy lack of the expression &#8220;Climate Change&#8221; in the President&#8217;s language.  Redirecting the campaign to the issue of energy consumption and independence is the key to an accord acceptable by critics.</p>
<p>This would also mean PR stunts with children imploring the President to go to Kobenhaven to save the polar bears&#8230; cease.  Leave the children out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will hold to my promise I made to my legislatures via email: Any vote for CO2/AGW schemes will result in me NEVER voting for the idiots again.  I would rather vote in a worm.  Their brains are bigger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will hold to my promise I made to my legislatures via email: Any vote for CO2/AGW schemes will result in me NEVER voting for the idiots again.  I would rather vote in a worm.  Their brains are bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Zeke the Sneak (12:38:40) :
[The UN study] also singles out alcohol, which is responsible for around 1.5 per cent of total emissions but contributes little in nutritional value.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3107696/Consumers-should-cut-meat-and-milk-intake-to-combat-climate-change.html
So fight for your co2 like a man! If there be any among you left.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll drink to that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Zeke the Sneak (12:38:40) :<br />
[The UN study] also singles out alcohol, which is responsible for around 1.5 per cent of total emissions but contributes little in nutritional value.<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3107696/Consumers-should-cut-meat-and-milk-intake-to-combat-climate-change.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3107696/Consumers-should-cut-meat-and-milk-intake-to-combat-climate-change.html</a><br />
So fight for your co2 like a man! If there be any among you left.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll drink to that.</p>
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		<title>By: old construction worker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[old construction worker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This “Energy Bill” is welfare for Wall Street. It will not make us less dependent on foreign energy but it will make us dependent on foreign Carbon Credits. How stupid is that?

How to take it out off EPA&#039;s hands? Easy. Petition State and Federal &quot;Law Makers&quot; to declare CO2 gas a non pollutant.
I know, easier said than done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This “Energy Bill” is welfare for Wall Street. It will not make us less dependent on foreign energy but it will make us dependent on foreign Carbon Credits. How stupid is that?</p>
<p>How to take it out off EPA&#8217;s hands? Easy. Petition State and Federal &#8220;Law Makers&#8221; to declare CO2 gas a non pollutant.<br />
I know, easier said than done.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arthur Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... maybe they are really just worried about their own jobs.&quot;

Thank the Force for that! Representatives of the sovereign people should always be worried about their masters.

If predictions for a cold winter in the eastern U.S. verify--or at least for a prolonged spell of well-below normal temps for much of the country, and for greater snowfall totals than in the last few winters in the stretch of the I-95 Corridor from D.C to NYC (not saying a whole lot)--reality may have the last word.

But of course, &#039;That&#039;s not climate, that&#039;s weather&#039;. Bingo! weather is reality and climate is an abstract derivative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; maybe they are really just worried about their own jobs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank the Force for that! Representatives of the sovereign people should always be worried about their masters.</p>
<p>If predictions for a cold winter in the eastern U.S. verify&#8211;or at least for a prolonged spell of well-below normal temps for much of the country, and for greater snowfall totals than in the last few winters in the stretch of the I-95 Corridor from D.C to NYC (not saying a whole lot)&#8211;reality may have the last word.</p>
<p>But of course, &#8216;That&#8217;s not climate, that&#8217;s weather&#8217;. Bingo! weather is reality and climate is an abstract derivative.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speculation:

Experts think Washington could go a long way toward building confidence for a global climate deal if the United States put forth a specific proposal on how much money it would throw into an international pot (to bribe the Third World Countries).
http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/11/qa-how-will-u.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speculation:</p>
<p>Experts think Washington could go a long way toward building confidence for a global climate deal if the United States put forth a specific proposal on how much money it would throw into an international pot (to bribe the Third World Countries).<br />
<a href="http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/11/qa-how-will-u.html" rel="nofollow">http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/11/qa-how-will-u.html</a></p>
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