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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/12/another-parallel-with-the-maunder-minimum/#comment-227754</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gary gulrud (09:35:37) : 

And a ton of tiny AR specks, like freckles, along the equator.
Today we are treated to a SunSpeck O&#039;rama.
1 year into SC23 shows Sunspot Areas exceeding 1,000 x 10E6 regularly.
Today, we are lucky to make 70 by SWPC/NOAA roughstimate, and about 25 x 10E6 by actual measurements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gary gulrud (09:35:37) : </p>
<p>And a ton of tiny AR specks, like freckles, along the equator.<br />
Today we are treated to a SunSpeck O&#8217;rama.<br />
1 year into SC23 shows Sunspot Areas exceeding 1,000 x 10E6 regularly.<br />
Today, we are lucky to make 70 by SWPC/NOAA roughstimate, and about 25 x 10E6 by actual measurements.</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Is that a fair assessment?&quot;

And well-distributed between hemispheres?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is that a fair assessment?&#8221;</p>
<p>And well-distributed between hemispheres?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A long, long rough road down into the Valley of Sorrows. Throw in a global nuclear war, a few major volcanic explosions ... would make some of these disaster flicks seem sort of lame. Of course, the slow burn, less dramatic nature of the death dealing cooling would not be a woo wow as the visage of Christ toppling in Rio De Janiero.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long, long rough road down into the Valley of Sorrows. Throw in a global nuclear war, a few major volcanic explosions &#8230; would make some of these disaster flicks seem sort of lame. Of course, the slow burn, less dramatic nature of the death dealing cooling would not be a woo wow as the visage of Christ toppling in Rio De Janiero.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From all the things Leif has been telling us, the magnetic is the key element.  It&#039;s decidedly weak/absent for the greater part.  There are a lot of very small active regions (small yellowish spots) that blink in and out, sometimes with sunspecks.  Why is the magnetic so weak?  I think it&#039;s the lack of windup or differential rotation, but I cannot be sure of this.
What is apparent to me is that the Active Regions are progressing faster towards the equator than they are multiplying/growing.  Is that a fair assessment?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From all the things Leif has been telling us, the magnetic is the key element.  It&#8217;s decidedly weak/absent for the greater part.  There are a lot of very small active regions (small yellowish spots) that blink in and out, sometimes with sunspecks.  Why is the magnetic so weak?  I think it&#8217;s the lack of windup or differential rotation, but I cannot be sure of this.<br />
What is apparent to me is that the Active Regions are progressing faster towards the equator than they are multiplying/growing.  Is that a fair assessment?</p>
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		<title>By: Tenuc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rbateman (10:36:04) :
&quot;The dropout that you keep bringing up, Anthony, is haunting.
Let’s see if we can tell why:
http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/EITNov1996_Nov2009.JPG
See anything on a yearly basis that says “Eureka, I have found it” ?

Thanks for some excellent composites of our sleepy neighbour.

I wonder if it&#039;s the low magnetic field and lack of coronal holes which is more significant than the lack of sunspots?

Would be good to have better knowledge of how the sun really works - perhaps we&#039;ll get some more clues as this, and the next cycle, unfold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbateman (10:36:04) :<br />
&#8220;The dropout that you keep bringing up, Anthony, is haunting.<br />
Let’s see if we can tell why:<br />
<a href="http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/EITNov1996_Nov2009.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/EITNov1996_Nov2009.JPG</a><br />
See anything on a yearly basis that says “Eureka, I have found it” ?</p>
<p>Thanks for some excellent composites of our sleepy neighbour.</p>
<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s the low magnetic field and lack of coronal holes which is more significant than the lack of sunspots?</p>
<p>Would be good to have better knowledge of how the sun really works &#8211; perhaps we&#8217;ll get some more clues as this, and the next cycle, unfold.</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;or lack thereof&quot;

Got it,  thanks.  I will plod thru.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;or lack thereof&#8221;</p>
<p>Got it,  thanks.  I will plod thru.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gary gulrud (03:43:09) : 

Try looking for the &#039;windup&#039; of differential rotation (or lack thereof).
The &#039;red&#039; is the EIT 284, and you are not seeing much of it because of the lack of large active regions.
Try also this page:http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/DeepSolarMin9.htm
At the bottom, you will find an image with sunspots superimposed at Solar Max (SC23) 10/28/03
and another one of SN11029 (SC24) 10/28/09.

Unfortunately, as of late, the SOHO EIT images have become very erratic in both quality and matched sets.  
Likely on it&#039;s last legs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gary gulrud (03:43:09) : </p>
<p>Try looking for the &#8216;windup&#8217; of differential rotation (or lack thereof).<br />
The &#8216;red&#8217; is the EIT 284, and you are not seeing much of it because of the lack of large active regions.<br />
Try also this page:<a href="http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/DeepSolarMin9.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/DeepSolarMin9.htm</a><br />
At the bottom, you will find an image with sunspots superimposed at Solar Max (SC23) 10/28/03<br />
and another one of SN11029 (SC24) 10/28/09.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as of late, the SOHO EIT images have become very erratic in both quality and matched sets.<br />
Likely on it&#8217;s last legs.</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gary gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rbateman (10:36:04) :

Verry cool.  No, can&#039;t say I know what to look for.   False color red absent, green virtually gone,  polar corornal holes tiny, ...  The appearance benign,  note spots irrelevant to whole.

Another hint?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbateman (10:36:04) :</p>
<p>Verry cool.  No, can&#8217;t say I know what to look for.   False color red absent, green virtually gone,  polar corornal holes tiny, &#8230;  The appearance benign,  note spots irrelevant to whole.</p>
<p>Another hint?</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gary gulrud (05:01:22) : 

The dropout that you keep bringing up, Anthony,  is haunting.
Let&#039;s see if we can tell why:
http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/EITNov1996_Nov2009.JPG
See anything on a yearly basis that says &quot;Eureka, I have found it&quot; ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gary gulrud (05:01:22) : </p>
<p>The dropout that you keep bringing up, Anthony,  is haunting.<br />
Let&#8217;s see if we can tell why:<br />
<a href="http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/EITNov1996_Nov2009.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/EITNov1996_Nov2009.JPG</a><br />
See anything on a yearly basis that says &#8220;Eureka, I have found it&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gary gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Further to the Dalton/Maunder outcome, the late ramp up of Solar Cycle 24 is now just as late as the start of Solar Cycle 5 (relative to its inception at Solar Cycle 4 maximum). It is also a lot weaker in terms of sunspot activity.&quot;

Continuing the thought:  The perturbation of the solar dynamo dropped out on or about Oct. 2005(Anthony&#039;s AP posts) when cycle 23 was nearly complete.

The dropout seems to have occurred much early during cycle 4&#039;s progress.  

Additionally,  the Schwabe cycle this time around was in a bimodal state, as it was during cycle 11 during the immediately prior &#039;minimum of significance&#039;, i.e., 12-14, say.   Tallbloke, I think, sometime back, noted these two modes as discretely hemispheric.

While the strength of the perturbing influence and its secular collapse may be an important ingredient of &#039;Grand Minima&#039;,  the state of the solar dynamo itself needs further elucidation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Further to the Dalton/Maunder outcome, the late ramp up of Solar Cycle 24 is now just as late as the start of Solar Cycle 5 (relative to its inception at Solar Cycle 4 maximum). It is also a lot weaker in terms of sunspot activity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Continuing the thought:  The perturbation of the solar dynamo dropped out on or about Oct. 2005(Anthony&#8217;s AP posts) when cycle 23 was nearly complete.</p>
<p>The dropout seems to have occurred much early during cycle 4&#8242;s progress.  </p>
<p>Additionally,  the Schwabe cycle this time around was in a bimodal state, as it was during cycle 11 during the immediately prior &#8216;minimum of significance&#8217;, i.e., 12-14, say.   Tallbloke, I think, sometime back, noted these two modes as discretely hemispheric.</p>
<p>While the strength of the perturbing influence and its secular collapse may be an important ingredient of &#8216;Grand Minima&#8217;,  the state of the solar dynamo itself needs further elucidation.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sharp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[matt v. (06:30:21) :

The graphs referenced correlate very closely with the 14c and 10Be records. The period from the MWP to recent times showing a cooling as a result of reduced solar output. Its a pity they didnt have thermometers back then, because if they did and the pattern was the same we would have no argument. 

But it shows the Maunder was only one part of the cooling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt v. (06:30:21) :</p>
<p>The graphs referenced correlate very closely with the 14c and 10Be records. The period from the MWP to recent times showing a cooling as a result of reduced solar output. Its a pity they didnt have thermometers back then, because if they did and the pattern was the same we would have no argument. </p>
<p>But it shows the Maunder was only one part of the cooling.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sharp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vukcevic (01:01:41) : 

Not too many have predicted a grand minimum...if it comes to pass many will have to admit the science is far from settled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vukcevic (01:01:41) : </p>
<p>Not too many have predicted a grand minimum&#8230;if it comes to pass many will have to admit the science is far from settled.</p>
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		<title>By: vukcevic</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It may be of some interest to the late-comers to this thread:
Dr. Svalgaard appears to have abandoned his prediction for SC24max:

Q: 
Dr. Svalgaard, What is your prediction for the solar maximum and when?

A:
F10.7 = 123
Late 2013
SSN ?  because of L&amp;P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be of some interest to the late-comers to this thread:<br />
Dr. Svalgaard appears to have abandoned his prediction for SC24max:</p>
<p>Q:<br />
Dr. Svalgaard, What is your prediction for the solar maximum and when?</p>
<p>A:<br />
F10.7 = 123<br />
Late 2013<br />
SSN ?  because of L&amp;P</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rbateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meanwhile, a sunspeck gets a minimum count of 11 (11031), and is of a wee size that it would take 200 of them to rival 11029.  But, here&#039;s the kicker, the Flux continues to rise, and the Active Regions continue to close toward the equator.
It says to me that the apparent spotted maximum of SC24 will be a shadow of the Active Region/flux maximum of SC24.
The Sun is in a state of disconnect.
There is only a finite amount of time for the facets to rise in unsion.
And that is what will decide what type of a Minimum goes down.
As long as the two don&#039;t rise in unison, the deciding moment has not arrived.
All types of Minimum are still on the table.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, a sunspeck gets a minimum count of 11 (11031), and is of a wee size that it would take 200 of them to rival 11029.  But, here&#8217;s the kicker, the Flux continues to rise, and the Active Regions continue to close toward the equator.<br />
It says to me that the apparent spotted maximum of SC24 will be a shadow of the Active Region/flux maximum of SC24.<br />
The Sun is in a state of disconnect.<br />
There is only a finite amount of time for the facets to rise in unsion.<br />
And that is what will decide what type of a Minimum goes down.<br />
As long as the two don&#8217;t rise in unison, the deciding moment has not arrived.<br />
All types of Minimum are still on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tallbloke:

&quot;Read up on climate audit’s saga on SST measurement around the WWII years. Also, from my studies, it looks like the PDO positive phase ended with a huge el nino, whereas in the modern warm period, the big el nino came some years before the peak of the oceanic phases. (Unless we are gatting a nother big one soon, but I doubt it).&quot;

You&#039;re referring to the post bucket adjustment then? I saw a graph on CA once where it kind of filled in the low portion of the PDO phase after someone&#039;s attempt at correction. Point taken. Interesting comment on the El Nino, makes the peak appear more pronounced in the last positive cycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tallbloke:</p>
<p>&#8220;Read up on climate audit’s saga on SST measurement around the WWII years. Also, from my studies, it looks like the PDO positive phase ended with a huge el nino, whereas in the modern warm period, the big el nino came some years before the peak of the oceanic phases. (Unless we are gatting a nother big one soon, but I doubt it).&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re referring to the post bucket adjustment then? I saw a graph on CA once where it kind of filled in the low portion of the PDO phase after someone&#8217;s attempt at correction. Point taken. Interesting comment on the El Nino, makes the peak appear more pronounced in the last positive cycle.</p>
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