Comments on: NCDC: October USA – temperature 3rd coldest on record, wettest ever on record

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:38:17 +0000

Amazing how many people are still swallowing the manmade global warming thing. I thought there were going to be monster hurricanes in the new climate.
This hurrican season was one of the quietest I have seen in my lifetime.

By: Ripper

Ripper — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:40:49 +0000

LOL at all those huge red dots in NW Canada

The closest station I can find is Whitehorse A

http://climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_e.html?Province=YT%20%20&StationName=&SearchType=&LocateBy=Province&Proximity=25&ProximityFrom=City&StationNumber=&IDType=MSC&CityName=&ParkName=&LatitudeDegrees=&LatitudeMinutes=&LongitudeDegrees=&LongitudeMinutes=&NormalsClass=A&SelNormals=&StnId=1617&&autofwd=0

It show an October mean of 0.51 degrees that is .09 degrees cooler than the 1971-2000 value of 0.6 degrees

By: WAG

WAG — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:47:17 +0000

More evidence you’re confusing local weather with global climate: the most recent NOAA data shows that GLOBALLY, October 2009 was the 6th warmest on record. and year-to-date, it’s the 5th warmest year on record–and the El Nino is just starting to kick in. Can you spot the global cooling?

http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/11/cold-october-can-you-spot-global.html

By: gscott

gscott — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:13:10 +0000

Looks like there might be an update to the US temperature for October.

The State of the Climate National Overview indicates that “the average October temperature of 50.8°F” is based on preliminary data.

The monthly state temperatures file on the NCDC FTP site shows October for the lower 48 at 51.30, a half a degree difference. Notice the 11th column of the last line of the relevant file at

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cirs/drd964x.tmpst.txt

1100022009 31.20 37.50 43.80 51.90 62.60 69.50 73.50 72.70 67.10 51.30 -99.90 -99.90

51.3 degree vs. 50.8 degrees. The ftp file appears to be dated November 10, the day after the State of the Climate National Overview was created. Perhaps the difference reflects more up to date data.

The half-a-degree difference only affects the ranking slightly. According to the FTP site, October 2009 at 51.30 is in 4th place, behind October 1917 at 51.0.

Oddly, the Climate Summary page for the Contiguous US at
(http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html cont) indicates that it uses the above named file on the FTP site to generate reports upon request. However, creating a report for October still shows the 50.8 degrees for 2009.

By: Richard

Richard — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:58:05 +0000

PS you guys in South Australia moaning about the heat – I’ve solved the cause of it. No its not those microscopic amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere – its actually hot water from the Indian ocean arriving and piling up on your shores.
Watch it here. http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/ml/ocean/sst/anom_anim.html

The waters arrive around the 5th of November and suddenly you move into a heat wave.

By: Gene Nemetz

Gene Nemetz — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:28:40 +0000

timetochooseagain (10:01:52) :

I’m not saying it’s been mild there. I am saying temperature readings are off. Regardless of what summer is like there land use is still affecting temp readings. I think there would be less red in the map making readings closer to average if UHI was subtracted out.

By: IanM

IanM — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:15:13 +0000

Regarding arctic sea ice, while the area appears to be among the lowest in history (i.e., since satellite days), the DMI polar temperature, while much higher than usual, is still minus 20°C. Do we know if the water is warmer than usual this year?

IanM

By: Richard

Richard — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:20:41 +0000

Kerry (11:26:22) : ..Get real, folks, and show the worldwide temperatures, not just US. This means nothing!

Well how about this: “In China, heavy snowfall has led to the deaths of 38 people in road accidents and collapsed buildings, state-run media have reported.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8358162.stm

In Australia its blistering hot other places cool. Thats weather. No need to rush to the conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 done it.

By: Espen

Espen — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:08:27 +0000

Kerry: The worldwide temperatures are right here on the right side of the page :-) (in Anthony’s weather widget)

By: Kerry

Kerry — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:26:22 +0000

We all know that if it happens in the US, that’s all that matters, right? I mean, we ARE the world, aren’t we? Get real, folks, and show the worldwide temperatures, not just US. This means nothing!

By: NZ Willy

NZ Willy — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:45:45 +0000

Yes, a few years ago there was an official decision by the New Zealand media watchdog that the word “bugger” is OK to use. So definitely appropriate to use it to reply to a NZer.

On the temperature gradient map, the colors are all either “warm” or “cool”. Considering the uncertainty of the measurements, I would draw such a map with a white band in the middle, representing -1 to +1 degrees, i.e. “average” temperature. That NOAA does not do so indicates a lean to alarmism, I think.

By: timetochooseagain

timetochooseagain — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:01:52 +0000

Gene Nemetz (23:00:18) : I live in Florida and believe me, we have been having an endless summer up until now.

That’s not global warming related at all. These things just happen from time to time.

By: Joel

Joel — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:26:32 +0000

I give NCDC credit for not sugar coating this report. They could have easily pulled a NSIDC.

By: Caleb

Caleb — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:11:48 +0000

In the 1960′s in New Hampshire a “bugger” (noun) was any person, but usually a child. Telling someone to “bugger off” meant they should scram or get lost. To “bugger up” a job meant you had botched the job.

When I went to school in Scotland in 1970 I learned I should not use the word bugger, because a “Bugger” (noun) meant someone guilty of sodomy, and to “bugger” (verb) meant to sodomize. I actually got in trouble for using the word, back then, and weeded it out of my vocabulary.

By: Espen

Espen — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:58:13 +0000

About October weather in Germany:
http://www.dwd.de/bvbw/appmanager/bvbw/dwdwwwDesktop?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=dwdwww_menu2_presse&T98029gsbDocumentPath=Content%2FPresse%2FPressemitteilungen%2F2009%2F20090929__DeutschlandwetterimOktoberr2009__news.html

Executive summary: Very varying, but all in all 0.7 below normal. New October heat record, 30.9 degrees in Freiburg. The old record, also from Freiburg, was 0.1 degrees lower and from October 1985.

I have to add, as someone who has stayed in Freiburg several times, that extremely warm weather at unusual times in Freiburg is hardly sensational. Due to the proximity to the Alps, and thus the “Föhn” wind, the weather in Freiburg can turn from winter to summer and back again in a few hours.

(I think they use 1961-1990 for the “normal” temperature, which, I think was all in all a pretty cold period in Germany, colder than e.g. 1910-1940, at least for some stations)