Note that the graphs show X-ray density on the Y-axis. The original authors of the Tiljander series used it to like the upper graph, where increased density represents LOWER temperatures. Mann et al used it with the exact opposite interpretation shown in the lower graph, that increased density represents HIGHER temperatures.”

1) People who study the properties of violins believe that a Stradivari sounds so well because it is built from dense wood that grew (slowly) during the Little Ice Age.

2) The interpretation is actually not SHOWN in the graphs; one would have to add something like “temperature” to the ordinate, higher temperatures UP in both cases.

Smokey, thanks for the link!

I’m freaking shocked over this…

The article shows an Indian woman crossing a dry riverbed. Think what you see is a dry riverbed? No, it’s “climate change in action”.

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article5160386/OECD-warnt-vor-Temperaturanstieg-um-sechs-Grad.html

Are we as readers really considered that stupid? Time to get angry …
Thanks to Finnish TV and all contributors. Such pieces of journalism give hope.

Although Mao wanted to be cremated, you can still go and see him in his mausoleum on Tiananmen Square in Beijing. Maybe he did not want to become a tourist attraction, but he did.

E.M.Smith is making great strides on disecting gistemp and its inputs.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/gistemp-a-human-view/

RE: bob (08:56:29) :

“The two graphs are the same as the x-axis scales are also reversed.

It’s the same graph people.”

“Agreed. I noted that as well. I am a decided non-warmist and am pleased with the Linzen – MacIntyre MOT program, but can’t see how this proves any deceit on the part of the warmists.”

Note that the graphs show X-ray density on the Y-axis. The original authors of the Tiljander series used it to like the upper graph, where increased density represents LOWER temperatures. Mann et al used it with the exact opposite interpretation shown in the lower graph, that increased density represents HIGHER temperatures.

So yes, if the interpretation of the original authors is correct, this does indeed show deceit on the part of the warmists. Tiljander has since said that the final decades of data may be contaminated with debris from bridge construction, so it should be used with caution. However, that does not remove the gross misrepresentation of the data by Mann et al.

I say a warmer MWP proves that either the models are wrong or that there was something affecting the climate during the medieval warm period that we don’t know about. And then you say ‘yes the models are wrong’ and ignore the possibility that there was something in the MWP that we don’t know about.

Is that scientific inquiry? Or just looking for evidence to support a predetermined belief and ignoring everything to the contrary.

Peter,

you state that the although the agreement between models and temperature works for GISS, GISS temp is worthless. I compare to GISS to compare with Hansen’s projection as it is calculated off the same baseline. The warming rate for GISS since 1988 (when Hansen made this projection) is 0.169 deg/decade. The warming trend in Uah is 0.149/decade. The extra warming in GISS above UAh is not very large.

“The inverted river varves graph – and Mann’s subsequent insistence on its warming message – can only be compared to the famous Monty Python “Dead Parrot” skit.

Proprietor: That stick’s broken.

Boy with broken stick: No it i’n’t.”

Me think it’s time for Kim to issue a reprint of her famous haiku of the crook’t stick.

I have no patience for stupid conspiracy theories. Let’s skip talking about Mr. Obama’s motivations and politics, and stick to science, thanks. Otherwise, you come off as a bunch of nutcases, and dilute the message. Obama is a skilled politician. That’s about all you can reasonably say about him without sounding like a lunatic.

I appreciate all the time you put in on the subject and follow your links with delight (usually.) I am simply not an alarmist on any side of any issue. So, I expect in this multi-dimensional world that:

Mr. Obama will get health care reform – but unlike his dream proposal
Cap N’ Trade will fail
Mr. Obama will settle for a climate treaty confirming commitment to a 2C “limit” and distribution of technology assistance to third world

In all three issues victory will be declared. Mao will remain dead and buried. Fidel wishes he were dead and buried. And collapse of the old skrool propaganda machine will continue apace.

But then I live in the midwest not far from… Kansas;)