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	<title>Comments on: A statistically significant cooling trend in RSS and UAH satellite data</title>
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		<title>By: woodfortrees (Paul Clark)</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/a-statistical-significant-cooling-trend-in-rss-and-uah-satellite-data/#comment-222956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodfortrees (Paul Clark)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect the peak at 15-16 is a harmonic of 7.5 produced by &#039;ringing&#039;;  not sure about the one at 4-5 (18 months-2 years) though.

Here&#039;s the raw(-ish) data you&#039;re analysing:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:6/from:2002/plot/rss/mean:6/from:2002

It looks to me like there&#039;s actually quite a strong 18-month-ish signal here, in both series, which I don&#039;t have any explanation for - but it&#039;s a short sample, and it could just be weather noise!  But note it also exists in HADCRUT:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:6/from:2002/plot/rss/mean:6/from:2002/plot/hadcrut3vgl/mean:6/from:2002

so whatever it is, it isn&#039;t satellite-specific!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the peak at 15-16 is a harmonic of 7.5 produced by &#8216;ringing&#8217;;  not sure about the one at 4-5 (18 months-2 years) though.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the raw(-ish) data you&#8217;re analysing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:6/from:2002/plot/rss/mean:6/from:2002" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:6/from:2002/plot/rss/mean:6/from:2002</a></p>
<p>It looks to me like there&#8217;s actually quite a strong 18-month-ish signal here, in both series, which I don&#8217;t have any explanation for &#8211; but it&#8217;s a short sample, and it could just be weather noise!  But note it also exists in HADCRUT:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:6/from:2002/plot/rss/mean:6/from:2002/plot/hadcrut3vgl/mean:6/from:2002" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:6/from:2002/plot/rss/mean:6/from:2002/plot/hadcrut3vgl/mean:6/from:2002</a></p>
<p>so whatever it is, it isn&#8217;t satellite-specific!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was averaging the signal to reduce the high frequency bias that I introduced by misusing the &quot;window&quot; function.

 If one starts the dataset from 2002 when the UAH was changed to the Aqua satellite, (and doesn&#039;t screw up the &quot;window&quot; function &amp;;&gt;), the difference in energy at the yearly harmonic(~7.5) between RSS &amp; UAH is even more pronounced. I wonder if the peaks at 5 and ~16 that both RSS and UAH see are shared processing artifacts or represent real periodic temperature variations?
to save y&#039;all from some typing, the URL is
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2002/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:2002/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2002/scale:0.01/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was averaging the signal to reduce the high frequency bias that I introduced by misusing the &#8220;window&#8221; function.</p>
<p> If one starts the dataset from 2002 when the UAH was changed to the Aqua satellite, (and doesn&#8217;t screw up the &#8220;window&#8221; function &amp;;&gt;), the difference in energy at the yearly harmonic(~7.5) between RSS &amp; UAH is even more pronounced. I wonder if the peaks at 5 and ~16 that both RSS and UAH see are shared processing artifacts or represent real periodic temperature variations?<br />
to save y&#8217;all from some typing, the URL is<br />
<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2002/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:2002/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2002/scale:0.01/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2002/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:2002/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:2002/scale:0.01/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/a-statistical-significant-cooling-trend-in-rss-and-uah-satellite-data/#comment-222458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Knights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot; Jeff Alberts (18:38:55) :

Like those claiming warming in a short period, this is much ado about nothing.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

It&#039;s significant because it casts doubt on the CAWG hypothesis, which strongly links increases in CO2 to increases in temperature, and on the robustness of the IPCC&#039;s predictions. The disconnect that is being observed becomes more and more awkward for the CAWGers with each passing year, so our side is right to harp on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; Jeff Alberts (18:38:55) :</p>
<p>Like those claiming warming in a short period, this is much ado about nothing.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s significant because it casts doubt on the CAWG hypothesis, which strongly links increases in CO2 to increases in temperature, and on the robustness of the IPCC&#8217;s predictions. The disconnect that is being observed becomes more and more awkward for the CAWGers with each passing year, so our side is right to harp on it.</p>
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		<title>By: woodfortrees (Paul Clark)</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/a-statistical-significant-cooling-trend-in-rss-and-uah-satellite-data/#comment-222387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodfortrees (Paul Clark)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian:  Interesting idea..  but I should just point out that &quot;window&quot; is supposed to be used in time space, before &quot;fourier&quot;, to remove edge effects when looking at frequency spectra.  The effect of using it after, in frequency space, will be to reduce the peaks at the left and right edges.

Also, I&#039;m not quite sure why you&#039;re doing a &quot;mean:2&quot; on the temperature signal first.

Here&#039;s your graph with this tidied up a bit:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1990/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:1990/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1990/scale:0.01/offset:-0.1/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40

I&#039;m afraid in this case the two harmonic 20 (approx 1 year) peaks look rather more similar...  Sorry!

Best wishes

Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian:  Interesting idea..  but I should just point out that &#8220;window&#8221; is supposed to be used in time space, before &#8220;fourier&#8221;, to remove edge effects when looking at frequency spectra.  The effect of using it after, in frequency space, will be to reduce the peaks at the left and right edges.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m not quite sure why you&#8217;re doing a &#8220;mean:2&#8243; on the temperature signal first.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s your graph with this tidied up a bit:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1990/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:1990/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1990/scale:0.01/offset:-0.1/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1990/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:1990/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1990/scale:0.01/offset:-0.1/window/fourier/magnitude/from:2/to:40</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid in this case the two harmonic 20 (approx 1 year) peaks look rather more similar&#8230;  Sorry!</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Id</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/a-statistical-significant-cooling-trend-in-rss-and-uah-satellite-data/#comment-222360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Id]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian Dodge (20:29:34) : 

Nice work by the way.  The ice does affect the sensors, the satellites don&#039;t measure the poles but UAH does some infilling.  You can see the actual data area though in this video of RSS and UAH

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/rss-and-uah-videos/

The reason for the annual signal is the errors in diurnal correction which were also present in UAH before the UAH 2002 change to AQUA.  This is why UAH is likely to also require a correction - it&#039;s a more subtle point though and I haven&#039;t heard that from Dr. Christy --- yet.

This post should answer some of your questions.
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/bias-in-satellite-temperature-metrics/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Dodge (20:29:34) : </p>
<p>Nice work by the way.  The ice does affect the sensors, the satellites don&#8217;t measure the poles but UAH does some infilling.  You can see the actual data area though in this video of RSS and UAH</p>
<p><a href="http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/rss-and-uah-videos/" rel="nofollow">http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/rss-and-uah-videos/</a></p>
<p>The reason for the annual signal is the errors in diurnal correction which were also present in UAH before the UAH 2002 change to AQUA.  This is why UAH is likely to also require a correction &#8211; it&#8217;s a more subtle point though and I haven&#8217;t heard that from Dr. Christy &#8212; yet.</p>
<p>This post should answer some of your questions.<br />
<a href="http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/bias-in-satellite-temperature-metrics/" rel="nofollow">http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/bias-in-satellite-temperature-metrics/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dodge</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/a-statistical-significant-cooling-trend-in-rss-and-uah-satellite-data/#comment-222172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I downloaded the UAH and RSS data from woodfortrees so that I could plot the difference on the same graph as the 2 datasets, and I noticed that the difference seemed to have an annual periodicity starting around  2000, By simply subtracting a scaled and phased annual sinusoid  from the RSS-UAH difference signal, I was able to reduce the Standard deviation from 6.7e-2 to 5.0e-2, or a 25% reduction in the apparent annual fluctuation. I went back to woodfortrees and plotted the fourier transforms of the RSS, UAH, and, to generate a reference annual signal, the Fourier transform of the arctic ice extent. see http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1990/mean:2/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:1990/mean:2/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1990/scale:0.01/offset:-0.1/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40
It is apparent that the UAH data has more signal than RSS coincident with the peak at 20 of the ice extent, which has a large annual signal. Could the decline in arctic sea ice and exposed ocean in the arctic be affecting the UAH signal, either directly or through changes in water vapor over the newly exposed ocean? Any other thoughts on what could be causing this annual signal to appear in the UAH data?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I downloaded the UAH and RSS data from woodfortrees so that I could plot the difference on the same graph as the 2 datasets, and I noticed that the difference seemed to have an annual periodicity starting around  2000, By simply subtracting a scaled and phased annual sinusoid  from the RSS-UAH difference signal, I was able to reduce the Standard deviation from 6.7e-2 to 5.0e-2, or a 25% reduction in the apparent annual fluctuation. I went back to woodfortrees and plotted the fourier transforms of the RSS, UAH, and, to generate a reference annual signal, the Fourier transform of the arctic ice extent. see <a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1990/mean:2/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:1990/mean:2/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1990/scale:0.01/offset:-0.1/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1990/mean:2/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40/plot/uah/from:1990/mean:2/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40/plot/nsidc-seaice-n/from:1990/scale:0.01/offset:-0.1/fourier/magnitude/window/from:2/to:40</a><br />
It is apparent that the UAH data has more signal than RSS coincident with the peak at 20 of the ice extent, which has a large annual signal. Could the decline in arctic sea ice and exposed ocean in the arctic be affecting the UAH signal, either directly or through changes in water vapor over the newly exposed ocean? Any other thoughts on what could be causing this annual signal to appear in the UAH data?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alberts</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Alberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like those claiming warming in a short period, this is much ado about nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like those claiming warming in a short period, this is much ado about nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jorgekafkazar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jorgekafkazar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George E. Smith (11:20:09) : &quot;...I subtract my arbitrary reference form my real Temperature,a nd since my arbitrary zero was considered normal; the difference is considered abnormal; so I call it an abnormality...
The process I have performed when plotted as a time function is somewhat similar to applying the differential calculus. My abnormality is analagous to the derivative of my temperature; arbitrarily scaled to some easily plottable range. I just subtract a fixed offset, rather than a variable one.&quot;

What you have is NOT analogous to the derivative or anything even remotely close to it. Sorry. Back to Calculus I.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George E. Smith (11:20:09) : &#8220;&#8230;I subtract my arbitrary reference form my real Temperature,a nd since my arbitrary zero was considered normal; the difference is considered abnormal; so I call it an abnormality&#8230;<br />
The process I have performed when plotted as a time function is somewhat similar to applying the differential calculus. My abnormality is analagous to the derivative of my temperature; arbitrarily scaled to some easily plottable range. I just subtract a fixed offset, rather than a variable one.&#8221;</p>
<p>What you have is NOT analogous to the derivative or anything even remotely close to it. Sorry. Back to Calculus I.</p>
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		<title>By: John Finn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Finn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Jeff Id (06:22:04) : 

John Finn (03:27:21)

Actually this isn’t about el nino as much as this &lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re right - my original comment was a bit off topic. Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Jeff Id (06:22:04) : </p>
<p>John Finn (03:27:21)</p>
<p>Actually this isn’t about el nino as much as this </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; my original comment was a bit off topic. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: evanmjones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evanmjones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, much. It will tell us about the progression of the negative PDO and possibly other cycles. (Not to mention solar issues.) That is very much indeed. The next few years are critical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, much. It will tell us about the progression of the negative PDO and possibly other cycles. (Not to mention solar issues.) That is very much indeed. The next few years are critical.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Hladik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Hladik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[evanmjones (12:48:18) : &quot;Yes, the next few years will tell us a lot.&quot;

Yes, the next few years will tell us what the calculated &quot;average temperature of the earth&quot; was for those few years.  :-)

They&#039;ll also give us the trend(s) for the preceding years.

As for the future...eeeh, not so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evanmjones (12:48:18) : &#8220;Yes, the next few years will tell us a lot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the next few years will tell us what the calculated &#8220;average temperature of the earth&#8221; was for those few years.  :-)</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll also give us the trend(s) for the preceding years.</p>
<p>As for the future&#8230;eeeh, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Id</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Id]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George E. Smith (13:21:52) :

I wasn&#039;t sure how to answer the longer comment.  The line is an RMS fit which I&#039;m sure you&#039;re familiar with of the equation y = a x + b to the data x.  

The straight line is the trend of course as without it there is no definition of trend.  Regarding the Fourier spectrum of UAH and RSS  I&#039;ve done some work with that from last year.  It&#039;s taken a year to figure out why the cyclic variations were occurring in UAH.

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/half-year-cyclic-variaition-in-rssuah-and-giss-anomaly/

This linked post above also has implications that UAH may require additional corrections as well.

For those interested, Lucia confirmed the results in the last graph at this link. 
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/satellite-trends-rss-and-uah/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George E. Smith (13:21:52) :</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure how to answer the longer comment.  The line is an RMS fit which I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re familiar with of the equation y = a x + b to the data x.  </p>
<p>The straight line is the trend of course as without it there is no definition of trend.  Regarding the Fourier spectrum of UAH and RSS  I&#8217;ve done some work with that from last year.  It&#8217;s taken a year to figure out why the cyclic variations were occurring in UAH.</p>
<p><a href="http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/half-year-cyclic-variaition-in-rssuah-and-giss-anomaly/" rel="nofollow">http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/half-year-cyclic-variaition-in-rssuah-and-giss-anomaly/</a></p>
<p>This linked post above also has implications that UAH may require additional corrections as well.</p>
<p>For those interested, Lucia confirmed the results in the last graph at this link.<br />
<a href="http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/satellite-trends-rss-and-uah/" rel="nofollow">http://rankexploits.com/musings/2009/satellite-trends-rss-and-uah/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; John Finn (12:39:11) : I haven’t got a hypothesis. I’m just interpreting the data as I see it and I don’t see any evidence that the earth is in a long term cooling phase. Temperatures dipped in response to the 2007/08 La Nina but they now look to be recovering. The next few years will tell us if this represents a return to the previous warming trend or something else.&lt;/i&gt;

How could you EVER possibly see evidence of the Earth being in a &quot;long term cooling phase&quot;? You would have to firstly define &quot;long term&quot;. Secondly even if by your definition there was a linear cooling trend over this defined period, you would only be able to &quot;see the evidence&quot; after the period was over and then it would tell you nothing about the next period.

As it happens there is a hypothesis put forward by the alarmists and adopted by the western nations that unstoppably dangerous warming is being caused by anthropogenic CO2. The evidence of the temperature records of the last 7 years, at least, among other evidence, does not seem to support this. But ignoring this and assuming AGW to be gospel we are nonetheless committing to a suicidal battle against this imaginary foe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> John Finn (12:39:11) : I haven’t got a hypothesis. I’m just interpreting the data as I see it and I don’t see any evidence that the earth is in a long term cooling phase. Temperatures dipped in response to the 2007/08 La Nina but they now look to be recovering. The next few years will tell us if this represents a return to the previous warming trend or something else.</i></p>
<p>How could you EVER possibly see evidence of the Earth being in a &#8220;long term cooling phase&#8221;? You would have to firstly define &#8220;long term&#8221;. Secondly even if by your definition there was a linear cooling trend over this defined period, you would only be able to &#8220;see the evidence&#8221; after the period was over and then it would tell you nothing about the next period.</p>
<p>As it happens there is a hypothesis put forward by the alarmists and adopted by the western nations that unstoppably dangerous warming is being caused by anthropogenic CO2. The evidence of the temperature records of the last 7 years, at least, among other evidence, does not seem to support this. But ignoring this and assuming AGW to be gospel we are nonetheless committing to a suicidal battle against this imaginary foe.</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/a-statistical-significant-cooling-trend-in-rss-and-uah-satellite-data/#comment-221975</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

I&#039;m not sure I have a clear image in my head of what it is you chaps do with this data.

But looking at your very first graph of the UAH from about 1978 to present; which I presume from the start date is about the sum total of the satellite data set (that they have).

The black line appears to be a straight line.  Am I to assume that the rms value of the point by point deviations from that one straight line reaches its absolute minimum value for just that slope and vertical location; the only other constraint being that it is a straight line ?

If that is not the case; then just how is that line defined ?

Any particular reason why a straight line is presumed; since many of these plots seem to show clear indications of some cyclic behavior.

What would the Fourier transform frequency spectrum of that data look like ?  I&#039;m wondering if it might reveal the presence of periodic components that are of comparable significance to the zero frequency component.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I have a clear image in my head of what it is you chaps do with this data.</p>
<p>But looking at your very first graph of the UAH from about 1978 to present; which I presume from the start date is about the sum total of the satellite data set (that they have).</p>
<p>The black line appears to be a straight line.  Am I to assume that the rms value of the point by point deviations from that one straight line reaches its absolute minimum value for just that slope and vertical location; the only other constraint being that it is a straight line ?</p>
<p>If that is not the case; then just how is that line defined ?</p>
<p>Any particular reason why a straight line is presumed; since many of these plots seem to show clear indications of some cyclic behavior.</p>
<p>What would the Fourier transform frequency spectrum of that data look like ?  I&#8217;m wondering if it might reveal the presence of periodic components that are of comparable significance to the zero frequency component.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/09/a-statistical-significant-cooling-trend-in-rss-and-uah-satellite-data/#comment-221972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I think we all know the answer to that :)&lt;/i&gt;

Well I don&#039;t. Sometimes I know the answer to this. Less frequently to this and that. And hardly ever to that alone. This is one of the frequent times that I don&#039;t have an answer to that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think we all know the answer to that :)</i></p>
<p>Well I don&#8217;t. Sometimes I know the answer to this. Less frequently to this and that. And hardly ever to that alone. This is one of the frequent times that I don&#8217;t have an answer to that.</p>
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