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	<title>Comments on: USA Today: Expanding cities contribute to global warming</title>
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		<title>By: LarryOldtimer</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/08/usa-today-expanding-cities-contribute-to-global-warming/#comment-221558</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are only 3 cards I am moving around.  Just find the lady, and win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are only 3 cards I am moving around.  Just find the lady, and win.</p>
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		<title>By: cba</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[barackalypse,

the time machine novel was an interesting novel with an interesting warning.  The eloy were the brain dead, dumbed down food source for the industrious, hardworking subteranian morlocks.  Actually, for HG Wells, the eloy were the descendents of the useless aristocracy, degenerated to animal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barackalypse,</p>
<p>the time machine novel was an interesting novel with an interesting warning.  The eloy were the brain dead, dumbed down food source for the industrious, hardworking subteranian morlocks.  Actually, for HG Wells, the eloy were the descendents of the useless aristocracy, degenerated to animal.</p>
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		<title>By: wsbriggs</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/08/usa-today-expanding-cities-contribute-to-global-warming/#comment-221229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wsbriggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George E. Smith (10:41:58) : 

&quot;Must be something else going on that we don’t know about to cause all these extra cities and suburbs to get built; maybe some sort of new craze.&quot;

It&#039;s called a housing bubble. Many of the same folk who are so determined to cap and trade were also so insistant that easy credit make it possible for people who couldn&#039;t afford them, to buy houses, in Chino, Chico, and other parts of the Inland Empire. Many of these houses are empty, with large numbers threatening to become so - not to fear - The Government is here to help. 

I remember the first time I ran into one of the new products of the American Educational System - I was studying Physics in Zurich, and a newly minted post-Doc from Stanford showed up. The phrase &quot;not relevant&quot; kept popping up when discussing certain aspects of hard science - I didn&#039;t understand it then, I still don&#039;t, but I can see what we&#039;re harvesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George E. Smith (10:41:58) : </p>
<p>&#8220;Must be something else going on that we don’t know about to cause all these extra cities and suburbs to get built; maybe some sort of new craze.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called a housing bubble. Many of the same folk who are so determined to cap and trade were also so insistant that easy credit make it possible for people who couldn&#8217;t afford them, to buy houses, in Chino, Chico, and other parts of the Inland Empire. Many of these houses are empty, with large numbers threatening to become so &#8211; not to fear &#8211; The Government is here to help. </p>
<p>I remember the first time I ran into one of the new products of the American Educational System &#8211; I was studying Physics in Zurich, and a newly minted post-Doc from Stanford showed up. The phrase &#8220;not relevant&#8221; kept popping up when discussing certain aspects of hard science &#8211; I didn&#8217;t understand it then, I still don&#8217;t, but I can see what we&#8217;re harvesting.</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well when you erect efficient energy absorbers and RADIATORS in these urban locations, and then measure the temperatures in the same locations; you would expect the LOCAL temperatures to go up.

That is a far cry from having the global mean temperatures go up; you know; all those vast areas where they don&#039;t measure the temperatures.

Why are they building all of these cities and suburbs anyway.  I would have thought that we had more than enough cities to absorb all the politicians available in the world to serve as Mayors and city councilpersons.

Must be something else going on that we don&#039;t know about to cause all these extra cities and suburbs to get built; maybe some sort of new craze.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well when you erect efficient energy absorbers and RADIATORS in these urban locations, and then measure the temperatures in the same locations; you would expect the LOCAL temperatures to go up.</p>
<p>That is a far cry from having the global mean temperatures go up; you know; all those vast areas where they don&#8217;t measure the temperatures.</p>
<p>Why are they building all of these cities and suburbs anyway.  I would have thought that we had more than enough cities to absorb all the politicians available in the world to serve as Mayors and city councilpersons.</p>
<p>Must be something else going on that we don&#8217;t know about to cause all these extra cities and suburbs to get built; maybe some sort of new craze.</p>
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		<title>By: P Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Walker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce Cobb - My thoughts exactly .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Cobb &#8211; My thoughts exactly .</p>
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		<title>By: hereandthere</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The photo above is of Horsethief Canyon Ranch(a Corona zipcode but outside the city) and I can attest to the fact that it is a lot warmer in the asphalt parking lot of the school in the upper left side of the photo than in the grass playing field!  My church meets in that school!  Lurker for several years and very surprised to see my home turf!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photo above is of Horsethief Canyon Ranch(a Corona zipcode but outside the city) and I can attest to the fact that it is a lot warmer in the asphalt parking lot of the school in the upper left side of the photo than in the grass playing field!  My church meets in that school!  Lurker for several years and very surprised to see my home turf!</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Ramsay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Ramsay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat Moffitt (06:01:38) :

So land use is having more of an effect on global warming than previously thought AND rising temperatures due to green house gases are not less significant. I’m confused.
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It&#039;s a positive feedback that we&#039;re already familiar with; the revelation that CH4 warms &quot;more than we thought&quot; does not mean that CO2 warms less than we thought. The overall warming increases invisibly, since the additional heat slides into the  &quot;as much as 30 years of cooling&quot; pipeline. If, when it emerges, the sun happens to be particularly active, it will be worse than we thought, although the sun doesn&#039;t actually have any impact on climate change.


Is it really clear that agriculture warms or cools? There&#039;s an enormous variability in the circumstances of agricuture around the world. You won&#039;t see thousands of square miles of irrigation across the prairie wheatfields and the transpiration of foliage is very different in the early stages of growth, compared with at its peak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Moffitt (06:01:38) :</p>
<p>So land use is having more of an effect on global warming than previously thought AND rising temperatures due to green house gases are not less significant. I’m confused.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
It&#8217;s a positive feedback that we&#8217;re already familiar with; the revelation that CH4 warms &#8220;more than we thought&#8221; does not mean that CO2 warms less than we thought. The overall warming increases invisibly, since the additional heat slides into the  &#8220;as much as 30 years of cooling&#8221; pipeline. If, when it emerges, the sun happens to be particularly active, it will be worse than we thought, although the sun doesn&#8217;t actually have any impact on climate change.</p>
<p>Is it really clear that agriculture warms or cools? There&#8217;s an enormous variability in the circumstances of agricuture around the world. You won&#8217;t see thousands of square miles of irrigation across the prairie wheatfields and the transpiration of foliage is very different in the early stages of growth, compared with at its peak.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin McKinney</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/08/usa-today-expanding-cities-contribute-to-global-warming/#comment-221142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin McKinney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So just how is this a &quot;good news&quot; story?  Are we going to ward off dangerous warming by plowing under our cities?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So just how is this a &#8220;good news&#8221; story?  Are we going to ward off dangerous warming by plowing under our cities?</p>
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		<title>By: barackalypse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[barackalypse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Time Machine&quot; story makes sense now.  In the distant future the AGW believers will become the underground-dwelling Morlocks, while the deniers will become the Eloy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Time Machine&#8221; story makes sense now.  In the distant future the AGW believers will become the underground-dwelling Morlocks, while the deniers will become the Eloy.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crosspatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We sure do not see them adding weather stations in the country&quot;

That is a major issue.  Huge numbers of rural reporting stations have been removed from the land-based temperature databases recently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We sure do not see them adding weather stations in the country&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a major issue.  Huge numbers of rural reporting stations have been removed from the land-based temperature databases recently.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crosspatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In addition a general lowering of ground water will lessen the cooling effect of evaporation.&quot;

Irrigation.

Irrigation can lower daytime highs due to evaporation but can increase nighttime lows due to increased humidity.   I also saw something recently that I can not locate right now that said the UN had to back off of their global deforestation numbers because they came to notice that there has been a significant reforestation in North America and Europe and the net reduction in forest globally turns out to be much less than they had been saying.  Nobody took into account the increase in trees in the Northern Hemisphere before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In addition a general lowering of ground water will lessen the cooling effect of evaporation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Irrigation.</p>
<p>Irrigation can lower daytime highs due to evaporation but can increase nighttime lows due to increased humidity.   I also saw something recently that I can not locate right now that said the UN had to back off of their global deforestation numbers because they came to notice that there has been a significant reforestation in North America and Europe and the net reduction in forest globally turns out to be much less than they had been saying.  Nobody took into account the increase in trees in the Northern Hemisphere before.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry chance</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/08/usa-today-expanding-cities-contribute-to-global-warming/#comment-221102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry chance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After leaving church yesterday at noon and at 8 pm, the temp reading in my car dropped 5-6 degrees.  The country is cooler for several reasons.  We sure do not see them adding weather stations in the country and eliminating city locations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After leaving church yesterday at noon and at 8 pm, the temp reading in my car dropped 5-6 degrees.  The country is cooler for several reasons.  We sure do not see them adding weather stations in the country and eliminating city locations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt; “I think that greenhouse warming is incredibly important, but land use should not be neglected,” Kalnay said. &lt;/cite&gt;

Absolutely, hundreds of thousands of peoples livelihood (people like Kalnay) depend on the gravy train of Global Warming Hysteria. 

Hundreds of millions of tax payers are paying for it. 

Millions stand to lose their jobs as the West further curtails all industrial activity in favor of lower cost production overseas. 

It is all INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite> “I think that greenhouse warming is incredibly important, but land use should not be neglected,” Kalnay said. </cite></p>
<p>Absolutely, hundreds of thousands of peoples livelihood (people like Kalnay) depend on the gravy train of Global Warming Hysteria. </p>
<p>Hundreds of millions of tax payers are paying for it. </p>
<p>Millions stand to lose their jobs as the West further curtails all industrial activity in favor of lower cost production overseas. </p>
<p>It is all INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Moffitt</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/08/usa-today-expanding-cities-contribute-to-global-warming/#comment-221061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat Moffitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So land use is having more of an effect on global warming than previously thought AND rising temperatures due to green house gases are not less significant. I&#039;m confused.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So land use is having more of an effect on global warming than previously thought AND rising temperatures due to green house gases are not less significant. I&#8217;m confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the context of alarmism, UHI is a powerful effect that will contribute to our heat death.
But in the context of the effect of UHI on temperature measurements, UHI is insignificant and can be dismissed.
Perhaps the alarmists should get their story straight....
Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the context of alarmism, UHI is a powerful effect that will contribute to our heat death.<br />
But in the context of the effect of UHI on temperature measurements, UHI is insignificant and can be dismissed.<br />
Perhaps the alarmists should get their story straight&#8230;.<br />
Chris</p>
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