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	<title>Comments on: RSS Global Temperature out for October &#8211; down, nearly identical to UAH</title>
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		<title>By: Annei</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/08/rss-global-temperature-out-for-october-down-nearly-identical-to-uah/#comment-222012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annei]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johnny Honda

I too enjoyed that parody.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny Honda</p>
<p>I too enjoyed that parody.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Weaving</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Weaving]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The entire Homogenic Global Warming scenario - for and against - is overwhelmingly based on Computer Modeling, with very tweakable spreadsheets.
And as we all know &#039;Put rubbish in and get rubish out&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Homogenic Global Warming scenario &#8211; for and against &#8211; is overwhelmingly based on Computer Modeling, with very tweakable spreadsheets.<br />
And as we all know &#8216;Put rubbish in and get rubish out&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To:  Johnny Honda

Enjoyed the parody.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To:  Johnny Honda</p>
<p>Enjoyed the parody.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another normal year for US temperatures.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/11/09/another-normal-year-for-us-temperatures/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another normal year for US temperatures.<br />
<a href="http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/11/09/another-normal-year-for-us-temperatures/" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/11/09/another-normal-year-for-us-temperatures/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The temp. is dropping despite the El Nino - it is still going isn&#039;t it? Imagine the drop when El Nino decides to disappear, just in time for any UN ETS discussions next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The temp. is dropping despite the El Nino &#8211; it is still going isn&#8217;t it? Imagine the drop when El Nino decides to disappear, just in time for any UN ETS discussions next year.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crosspatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;SST copies HadCRUT or UAH pretty well and gives hint 1-4 months earlier where the air temperatures will go.&quot;

Well, yes and no.  I mean, it really depends on more than just the temperature at the very surface.  Now if generally warmer water moves into an area, yes, the surface will be warmer for a given wind speed.  But by the same token, for a given water temperature the surface temperature will vary with wind speed.  So it is a combination both.

But more generally speaking, if I see a large area of above normal surface temperatures in the tropics, it is a VERY good indication that something abnormal is going on with the trade winds.

When you have weaker pressure gradients, you have higher surface temperatures but variations in the temperature of the entire water column will change surface temperature, too.

To put it another way, if I raise the temperature of the water in that bathtub I used above by 1 degree, then the surface temperature will go up one degree.  But if I don&#039;t warm the water and simply decrease the speed of the fan blowing on it, the temperature will also go up a degree.

Changes in wind speed happen much more often and at a faster pace than changes in the temperature of the entire amount of water at depth.  Yes currents vary somewhat and meander a bit but it is difficult to get that much water to change its temperature over the course of a month.  Wind can do it in a day.

ARGO has noted practically no global ocean temperature change over a period of several years yet surface temperatures can change dramatically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;SST copies HadCRUT or UAH pretty well and gives hint 1-4 months earlier where the air temperatures will go.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, yes and no.  I mean, it really depends on more than just the temperature at the very surface.  Now if generally warmer water moves into an area, yes, the surface will be warmer for a given wind speed.  But by the same token, for a given water temperature the surface temperature will vary with wind speed.  So it is a combination both.</p>
<p>But more generally speaking, if I see a large area of above normal surface temperatures in the tropics, it is a VERY good indication that something abnormal is going on with the trade winds.</p>
<p>When you have weaker pressure gradients, you have higher surface temperatures but variations in the temperature of the entire water column will change surface temperature, too.</p>
<p>To put it another way, if I raise the temperature of the water in that bathtub I used above by 1 degree, then the surface temperature will go up one degree.  But if I don&#8217;t warm the water and simply decrease the speed of the fan blowing on it, the temperature will also go up a degree.</p>
<p>Changes in wind speed happen much more often and at a faster pace than changes in the temperature of the entire amount of water at depth.  Yes currents vary somewhat and meander a bit but it is difficult to get that much water to change its temperature over the course of a month.  Wind can do it in a day.</p>
<p>ARGO has noted practically no global ocean temperature change over a period of several years yet surface temperatures can change dramatically.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas DC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas DC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, we just had the second coldest October on Record,according to NOAA of Pendelton, Or. Snow is forecast this week end for parts of NE Oregon. What I fear is
Warm Ocean cold Airmass,I have a weather eye on that Polar jet..
(and lot of fire wood..)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we just had the second coldest October on Record,according to NOAA of Pendelton, Or. Snow is forecast this week end for parts of NE Oregon. What I fear is<br />
Warm Ocean cold Airmass,I have a weather eye on that Polar jet..<br />
(and lot of fire wood..)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wendt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Wendt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jlc (05:52:37) :
I am an aging engineer and I am prepared to state categorically that global temperature and GT anomalies cannot be determined with a precision better than ±0.5°C. Even that is a bit of a stretch.....Few people these days, including scientists and engineers, have any concept of orders of accuracy.

I definitely agree. I&#039;m often driven to tear out what little hair I have left by the casual acceptance, even here among those who seemingly realize what a crock this all is, of the tacit assumption that because all this nonsense is offered up with numbers indicating dazzling precision, that precision somehow supports similar levels of inherent accuracy.
We get global temps quoted to a thousandth of a degree, sea levels quoted to a tenth of a millimeter, climate proxies constructed by folks contemplating their samples of mud, ice, rock, tree rings, or whatever other variety of planetary detritus they can come up with, all artfully graphed with dramatic gyrations all plotted to a hundredth of a degree. In response, we engage in endless arguments about whether or not they have properly applied the appropriate statistical jiggery-pokery to achieve their results while completely ignoring the rather obvious point that, although our scientific technology has advanced tremendously in recent decades, it is still miles away from being able to reliably produce data with this kind of accuracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jlc (05:52:37) :<br />
I am an aging engineer and I am prepared to state categorically that global temperature and GT anomalies cannot be determined with a precision better than ±0.5°C. Even that is a bit of a stretch&#8230;..Few people these days, including scientists and engineers, have any concept of orders of accuracy.</p>
<p>I definitely agree. I&#8217;m often driven to tear out what little hair I have left by the casual acceptance, even here among those who seemingly realize what a crock this all is, of the tacit assumption that because all this nonsense is offered up with numbers indicating dazzling precision, that precision somehow supports similar levels of inherent accuracy.<br />
We get global temps quoted to a thousandth of a degree, sea levels quoted to a tenth of a millimeter, climate proxies constructed by folks contemplating their samples of mud, ice, rock, tree rings, or whatever other variety of planetary detritus they can come up with, all artfully graphed with dramatic gyrations all plotted to a hundredth of a degree. In response, we engage in endless arguments about whether or not they have properly applied the appropriate statistical jiggery-pokery to achieve their results while completely ignoring the rather obvious point that, although our scientific technology has advanced tremendously in recent decades, it is still miles away from being able to reliably produce data with this kind of accuracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EL NINO is strengthening
http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/el-nino-is-strengthening.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EL NINO is strengthening<br />
<a href="http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/el-nino-is-strengthening.html" rel="nofollow">http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/el-nino-is-strengthening.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Juraj V.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juraj V.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;crosspatch (10:49:33) :
Also, sea surface temperatures are not a good proxy for air temperature or ocean heat content.&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree; SST copies HadCRUT or UAH pretty well and gives hint 1-4 months earlier where the air temperatures will go.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/plot/uah/from:2002]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>crosspatch (10:49:33) :<br />
Also, sea surface temperatures are not a good proxy for air temperature or ocean heat content.</i></p>
<p>I disagree; SST copies HadCRUT or UAH pretty well and gives hint 1-4 months earlier where the air temperatures will go.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/plot/uah/from:2002" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2002/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/plot/uah/from:2002</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam from Kansas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam from Kansas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding what I said of seeing Super-El Nino if those anomalies work their way up to the surface I would like to say something
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/jsdisplay/plots/gif/Dep_Sec_EQ_5d.gif

Assuming the trades get stronger and pushes the warmer water back to the west we could see these anomalies disappear, as you see it doesn&#039;t neccesarily show a profile where you have warmer water below cooler water. We may need new terms, like the temp. gradient changing so it appears you have positive anomalies working their way up, even though it&#039;s not warmer water below cooler water. Seeing this map before I&#039;ve seen positive anomalies go down in place without getting to the surface because of these gradient changes.

If the trades start pushing back the slope of the thermocline to the west those anomalies may start going down in place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding what I said of seeing Super-El Nino if those anomalies work their way up to the surface I would like to say something<br />
<a href="http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/jsdisplay/plots/gif/Dep_Sec_EQ_5d.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/jsdisplay/plots/gif/Dep_Sec_EQ_5d.gif</a></p>
<p>Assuming the trades get stronger and pushes the warmer water back to the west we could see these anomalies disappear, as you see it doesn&#8217;t neccesarily show a profile where you have warmer water below cooler water. We may need new terms, like the temp. gradient changing so it appears you have positive anomalies working their way up, even though it&#8217;s not warmer water below cooler water. Seeing this map before I&#8217;ve seen positive anomalies go down in place without getting to the surface because of these gradient changes.</p>
<p>If the trades start pushing back the slope of the thermocline to the west those anomalies may start going down in place.</p>
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		<title>By: maz2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maz2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;It was cold and dark,&quot; he told AFP**.&quot;

&quot;Polar bears are in decline, alright, but not everywhere*. (H/T TORedStar)&quot;.

For more AGW &quot;insight&quot;, go here*.
...-

&quot;**Canadian teen survives Arctic ice floe, polar bears

OTTAWA — Canadian air force paratroopers on Monday rescued a teenager adrift overnight on an Arctic ice floe and threatened by polar bears, an official told AFP.

The 17-year-old boy and an older friend had been hunting near Coral Harbor, Nunavut when they became separated and lost on Sunday.

The teen, who was not immediately identified, was rescued Monday after a night in frigid temperatures with two polar bears on an ice floe that drifted into the Arctic Ocean, said Captain Michael Young.

&quot;This young man had quite a journey,&quot; Young said by telephone from the Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre at Canadian Forces Base Trenton, in Ontario.

&quot;It was cold and dark,&quot; he told AFP. &quot;And there was apparently a couple of polar bears on the ice floe with him too.&quot;&quot;

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gBfaOng5FxopKKBo9cWhYidPlJ2A

*http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/722760--the-bear-facts-about-the-polar-bear-hunt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;It was cold and dark,&#8221; he told AFP**.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Polar bears are in decline, alright, but not everywhere*. (H/T TORedStar)&#8221;.</p>
<p>For more AGW &#8220;insight&#8221;, go here*.<br />
&#8230;-</p>
<p>&#8220;**Canadian teen survives Arctic ice floe, polar bears</p>
<p>OTTAWA — Canadian air force paratroopers on Monday rescued a teenager adrift overnight on an Arctic ice floe and threatened by polar bears, an official told AFP.</p>
<p>The 17-year-old boy and an older friend had been hunting near Coral Harbor, Nunavut when they became separated and lost on Sunday.</p>
<p>The teen, who was not immediately identified, was rescued Monday after a night in frigid temperatures with two polar bears on an ice floe that drifted into the Arctic Ocean, said Captain Michael Young.</p>
<p>&#8220;This young man had quite a journey,&#8221; Young said by telephone from the Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre at Canadian Forces Base Trenton, in Ontario.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was cold and dark,&#8221; he told AFP. &#8220;And there was apparently a couple of polar bears on the ice floe with him too.&#8221;"</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gBfaOng5FxopKKBo9cWhYidPlJ2A" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gBfaOng5FxopKKBo9cWhYidPlJ2A</a></p>
<p>*<a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/722760--the-bear-facts-about-the-polar-bear-hunt" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/722760&#8211;the-bear-facts-about-the-polar-bear-hunt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Reynolds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have made a fit of the average of UAH and RSS satellite temperature data using my 3 box model that seems to fit the recent plateau in temperatures fairly well despite using GISS forcing parameters:
http://moderateclimate.blogspot.com/

The climate sensitivity corresponding to this fit is pretty low: 1.2K]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made a fit of the average of UAH and RSS satellite temperature data using my 3 box model that seems to fit the recent plateau in temperatures fairly well despite using GISS forcing parameters:<br />
<a href="http://moderateclimate.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://moderateclimate.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>The climate sensitivity corresponding to this fit is pretty low: 1.2K</p>
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		<title>By: Adam from Kansas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam from Kansas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, we could have another Super-El Nino?

That&#039;s it, game over for the skeptics, expect all life on Earth to perish in 5 years O.o

Just kidding for that, but considering the situation here...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, we could have another Super-El Nino?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it, game over for the skeptics, expect all life on Earth to perish in 5 years O.o</p>
<p>Just kidding for that, but considering the situation here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a funny remark about the old days being colder.  BUT!!!! As a kid in the 50s I would look at photographs from around 1900 taken in my hometown on the Connecticut River.  There were pictures of grandstands filled with people watching horse races on the frozen river. The river rarely froze over when I was a kid. But 50 years early they held carnivals and horse races on it. 

I would think we would need some very cold temps to approximate those days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a funny remark about the old days being colder.  BUT!!!! As a kid in the 50s I would look at photographs from around 1900 taken in my hometown on the Connecticut River.  There were pictures of grandstands filled with people watching horse races on the frozen river. The river rarely froze over when I was a kid. But 50 years early they held carnivals and horse races on it. </p>
<p>I would think we would need some very cold temps to approximate those days.</p>
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