Gene Nemetz (17:45:13) :

“Europe can go take a flying leap!”

No, you take flying leap!
AGW is an all American scam. Roger Revelle, Al Gore, James Hansen, Stephen Schneider, Obama etcetera are all Yanks . All evil comes from the American Democratic Party.

Actually the idea comes from Maurice Strong Father of the Environmental Movement He was asked to organize what became the first Earth Summit in 1972. In 1973, Strong became first director of the new UN Environment Program.

Strong is a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation, an advisor to the World Bank, UN and the World Wildlife Fund. “..Above all, he served on the Commission on Global Governance — which, as we shall see, plays a crucial part in the international power grab.  The Commission on Global Governance. (CGG) was established in 1992, after Rio, at the suggestion of Willy Brandt, former West German chancellor and head of the Socialist International. In 1991, the Club of Rome (of which Strong is, of course, a member) issued a report called The First Global Revolution, which asserted that current problems “are essentially global and cannot be solved through individual country initiatives….. ” http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_tavistock04b.htm

This is not about Germany vs USA it is about the powerful and wealthy few who wish to rule the world vs the rest of us “serfs”

Whose haır-braıned ıdea ıs all thıs nonsense?? And why do otherwıse ‘ıntellıgent’ polıtıcıans get swept up ın thıs charade??” Ralph

The guy behind the implementation is Maurice Strong, pal of Al Gore and David Rockefelller. He wants to kill the USA economically and promote China to the #1 spot.

Wasn’t a dry eye in the house among the Democrats. Zeke the Sneak

Yes the Politicians keep hoping we will not wake up and realize the Constitution trumps any treaty.

“A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. The law of self-preservation overrules the law of obligation in others…

“This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” – Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.

This case involved the question: Does the NATO Status of Forces Agreement (treaty) supersede the U.S. Constitution?

The Reid Court (U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that,
“… No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, “This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land…’
“There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result… ”

Source …http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htm

Utter tripe and horse manure. USDA reports only a portion of 12% (FSI food, seed, industrial) of the US corn crop goes to food products. Even with rapid growth in ethanol production USDA projects that number to drop to 11% in year 2017. Indiana Bones
Actually it was a one – two punch.

First get rid of the local farmers:
Since NAFTA, the price Mexican farmers receive for corn has plummeted 45 percent because cheap US taxpayer subsidized US corn flooded the Mexican market. At least 1.5 million Mexican farmers have left their land. According to a study by Jose Romero and Alicia Puyana carried out for the federal government of Mexico, between 1992 and 2002, the number of agricultural households fell an astounding 75% – from 2.3 million to 575, 000. http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/ftaa/topten.html

Second Hike the cost of oil and mandate use of corn derived Ethanol in the USA doubling the cost of corn. At my local feed mill the price of corn went from $7.00 a hundred weight to over $12.00 in a year. I now pay three to four times as much for feed as a did a few years ago. In 2008 Monsanto and Cargill (grain trader) had record breaking profits.

Yes you are correct. If you add in the grab for the world food supply, land (banking – mortgage crisis) and mining resources (environmentalism regs) you will understand why I have not had a good night’s sleep in a couple of years. That gives them control of food, energy, land and resources – feudalism anyone???

About the only “buyers” of the US dollar at the moment are the Chinese (who hold a large shedfull of them) and the Saudis. Neither have any appetite for more to fund either Healthcare or Climate Change (or indeed any other “liberal” (i.e. left wing) proposal. Where does the US dollar go then in international currency markets?

I guess that question does not need an answer!

Merkel and the Germans are livid – they just got played for fools and stabbed in the back!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=a7jzGU3JxNS0

“If Obama was to see the light, and with his international stature, he would be in a unique position to deal a death blow to the senseless AGW bubble.”

You seem to be labouring under the misaprehension that Obama is just some gullible politician being duped by the AGW hoax. I may be wrong, but I believe nothing could be further from the truth. Every play Obama has made so far is consistent with somebody who is extraordinarily authoritarian, an overarching big government socialist and probably a proponent of some kind of world government. In this context climate alarmism just becomes a useful tool. His pushing of climate alarmism, cap and trade and social health care are all perfectly reasonable and predictable. What would force me to change my mind is if he a) suggested that climate change is a complex issue that scientists poorly understood, that b) Cap & trade is too top heavy and a simple carbon tax is preferable, and c) any international treaty that overrides US sovereignity would be unacceptable.

If he said any of these things, even one of them, I would reconsider my opinion.

Intelligence should not be mistaken with academic achievement. The latter tends to confine the subject to narrow, self-understood parameters. The former requires the application of common sense to the bigger picture.

When did you last hear a politician applying common sense?

What a fantasy!

The Russian bear gets ever stronger, with plenty of oil and natural gas, which fuels much of Europe, like the sword of Damocles hanging over our head.

I think the Czech President was given the choice, sign the treaty or leave the EU and take your chance with the bear. I know which of these terrible choices I would make – lesser of two evils.

Ms. Merkel,
In 1976 I was riding through the German countryside on a train loaded with obviously American tanks and trucks to gunnery in Grafenvoer. We passed a small swimming lake about an hour from the East German border with an estimated 100~200 people swimming in it. As we passed, every single person in that lake stopped swimming and stood up and waved to us. They knew who was protecting their way of life.

Those people were fearful of a very real threat, not the boogyman under the bed.

There is absolutely no comparison, and I wish politicians would stop using such outrageous comparisons.

Does he think Angela Merkel has much pull with US audiences? Do Americans like having others chiefs of state tell them what to do?

It seems that more and more world leaders are feeling like lobsters being coaxed towards the Copenhagen trap. Many probably don’t believe anymore in AGW, but nobody wants to be the first to say AGW theory is bunk and Copenhagen is pointless.

They are simply trying to kill the penalty, hoping the whole thing dies under its own weight

If Obama was to see the light, and with his international stature, he would be in a unique position to deal a death blow to the senseless AGW bubble.