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		<title>By: Robinsolana</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/01/inbetweeners-enjoy-the-warmth-while-it-lasts/#comment-217796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robinsolana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a great article.
This was the climate history that I was taught in college.  I guess all those poli sci majors missed oceanography 101.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a great article.<br />
This was the climate history that I was taught in college.  I guess all those poli sci majors missed oceanography 101.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryOldtimer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LarryOldtimer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The nits are worrying, with no cause, IMHO, about a minor bit of warming which would be of little consequence did it happen.  A good look should be taken at the year 1816, otherwise known as the &quot;Year without a summer&quot; or &quot;The Poverty Year&quot;.  This disaster came upon the US, Canada and Europe in the blink of an eye.  Great famine was on the land, and there were far fewer to feed and fuel then.  There may be some argument as to what exactly caused it, but it did really happen, whatever the cause.

With at least 6 times the number of people know who need to be fed and fueled, the famine of that time would be mass starvation and mass death through hypothermia the next time around.  And it will happen again . . . and again . . . and again.

Wasting our money and resources in attempting to deal with a little bit of warming, even if that would be to happen, which I very much doubt, will make quite sure that there is no money or resources to deal with very real problems when they do happen, as they surely will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nits are worrying, with no cause, IMHO, about a minor bit of warming which would be of little consequence did it happen.  A good look should be taken at the year 1816, otherwise known as the &#8220;Year without a summer&#8221; or &#8220;The Poverty Year&#8221;.  This disaster came upon the US, Canada and Europe in the blink of an eye.  Great famine was on the land, and there were far fewer to feed and fuel then.  There may be some argument as to what exactly caused it, but it did really happen, whatever the cause.</p>
<p>With at least 6 times the number of people know who need to be fed and fueled, the famine of that time would be mass starvation and mass death through hypothermia the next time around.  And it will happen again . . . and again . . . and again.</p>
<p>Wasting our money and resources in attempting to deal with a little bit of warming, even if that would be to happen, which I very much doubt, will make quite sure that there is no money or resources to deal with very real problems when they do happen, as they surely will.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Norm/Calgary (00:57:02) :
In fact, if you plot the world temperatures from 2000 to 2009 you will see a slight increase in temperatures.&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s an old trick I learned from James Hansen, just take one year out of the average. Wow! Is it cold in here or what? 

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2001/to:2009/plot/uah/from:2001/to:2009/trend]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Norm/Calgary (00:57:02) :<br />
In fact, if you plot the world temperatures from 2000 to 2009 you will see a slight increase in temperatures.</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an old trick I learned from James Hansen, just take one year out of the average. Wow! Is it cold in here or what? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2001/to:2009/plot/uah/from:2001/to:2009/trend" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2001/to:2009/plot/uah/from:2001/to:2009/trend</a></p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveSadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[90% of the world&#039;s population has built up during the past few hundred years (e.g. since the low point of the LIA). Yeah, that&#039;s not a bubble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>90% of the world&#8217;s population has built up during the past few hundred years (e.g. since the low point of the LIA). Yeah, that&#8217;s not a bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Nemetz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Nemetz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick Davis (03:53:15) : 

Yes, I can understand.


But cooler weather means less bikinis. :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Davis (03:53:15) : </p>
<p>Yes, I can understand.</p>
<p>But cooler weather means less bikinis. :-(</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smokey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Richard M&lt;/b&gt; (06:09:33):

&quot;...the IPCC stated unequivocally that the reason CO2 is deemed the cause of GW is because there are no natural forcings that could cause the warming.&quot;

This is a fine example of an &lt;i&gt;argumentum ad ignorantiam&lt;/i&gt;: the fallacy of assuming something is true simply because it hasn&#039;t been proven false. They argue that CO2 causes global warming because nobody has demonstrated conclusively that it does not. They are trying to put scientific skeptics in the position of having to prove a negative.

The fact that there are numerous other completely natural forcings that swamp any small effect from CO2 is not given any credence by the UN/IPCC and the rest of the alarmist crowd. They have made up their minds that CO2 is &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; cause of global warming; that human activity is the main cause of the rise in CO2 [false; only about 3% of CO2 is caused by human activity], and that they alone have the means to save humanity. All it will take is the transfer of $trillions from taxpayers in the U.S. and the West to grossly polluted countries like China, and to the scurrilous, truly evil reprobates in the UN.

The fact that they are deliberately lying is finally becoming apparent to the general public. Climate alarmists lie for money and control, or because they are afflicted with cognitive dissonance. Science has nothing to do with their conniving game playing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Richard M</b> (06:09:33):</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the IPCC stated unequivocally that the reason CO2 is deemed the cause of GW is because there are no natural forcings that could cause the warming.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a fine example of an <i>argumentum ad ignorantiam</i>: the fallacy of assuming something is true simply because it hasn&#8217;t been proven false. They argue that CO2 causes global warming because nobody has demonstrated conclusively that it does not. They are trying to put scientific skeptics in the position of having to prove a negative.</p>
<p>The fact that there are numerous other completely natural forcings that swamp any small effect from CO2 is not given any credence by the UN/IPCC and the rest of the alarmist crowd. They have made up their minds that CO2 is <i>the</i> cause of global warming; that human activity is the main cause of the rise in CO2 [false; only about 3% of CO2 is caused by human activity], and that they alone have the means to save humanity. All it will take is the transfer of $trillions from taxpayers in the U.S. and the West to grossly polluted countries like China, and to the scurrilous, truly evil reprobates in the UN.</p>
<p>The fact that they are deliberately lying is finally becoming apparent to the general public. Climate alarmists lie for money and control, or because they are afflicted with cognitive dissonance. Science has nothing to do with their conniving game playing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Norm/Calgary (00:57:02) : 

&quot;In fact, if you plot the world temperatures from 2000 to 2009 you will see a slight increase in temperatures.&quot;

And, if you do it from 2001 you get a decrease. All this means is that the time period is too small. 30 years is likely too small as well. In fact, any useful conclusions probably require 100s (if not 1000s) of years which we don&#039;t have on a global basis. 

So many claims based on very little data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm/Calgary (00:57:02) : </p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, if you plot the world temperatures from 2000 to 2009 you will see a slight increase in temperatures.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, if you do it from 2001 you get a decrease. All this means is that the time period is too small. 30 years is likely too small as well. In fact, any useful conclusions probably require 100s (if not 1000s) of years which we don&#8217;t have on a global basis. </p>
<p>So many claims based on very little data.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should be ok until we get another Krakatau type event, then its time to worry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should be ok until we get another Krakatau type event, then its time to worry.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/01/inbetweeners-enjoy-the-warmth-while-it-lasts/#comment-216685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RW and others love to jump on the natural variability bandwagon when temps are not following their faith. However, they seem to forget that the IPCC stated unequivocally that the reason CO2 is deemed the cause of GW is because there are no natural forcings that could cause the warming. If they can&#039;t cause it then they can&#039;t overpower the signal either. 

A few, like Vicky Pope, realize this problem. RW should take the hint.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RW and others love to jump on the natural variability bandwagon when temps are not following their faith. However, they seem to forget that the IPCC stated unequivocally that the reason CO2 is deemed the cause of GW is because there are no natural forcings that could cause the warming. If they can&#8217;t cause it then they can&#8217;t overpower the signal either. </p>
<p>A few, like Vicky Pope, realize this problem. RW should take the hint.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Purakanui (00:14:59) : 

NZ also had a cold October.&quot;

Now that is interesting. NH cold, SH cold...I can&#039;t burn wood here, so many have to spend more time warming up the wife (Global cooling *does* have positive spin-offs after all).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Purakanui (00:14:59) : </p>
<p>NZ also had a cold October.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that is interesting. NH cold, SH cold&#8230;I can&#8217;t burn wood here, so many have to spend more time warming up the wife (Global cooling *does* have positive spin-offs after all).</p>
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		<title>By: Norm/Calgary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm/Calgary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fact, if you plot the world temperatures from 2000 to 2009 you will see a slight increase in temperatures. 

See
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2000/to:2009/plot/uah/from:2000/to:2009/trend]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, if you plot the world temperatures from 2000 to 2009 you will see a slight increase in temperatures. </p>
<p>See<br />
<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2000/to:2009/plot/uah/from:2000/to:2009/trend" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2000/to:2009/plot/uah/from:2000/to:2009/trend</a></p>
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		<title>By: Purakanui</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Purakanui]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NZ also had a cold October.
Officially the coldest since 1945. Winter started very early in May; June and July were pretty grim, but August perked up briefly. The last month and a half has been very cool.
If this is a harbinger for the Northern Hemisphere, I&#039;d be inclined to stack plenty of wood!

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/coldest-october-since-1945-in-nz-3107957]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ also had a cold October.<br />
Officially the coldest since 1945. Winter started very early in May; June and July were pretty grim, but August perked up briefly. The last month and a half has been very cool.<br />
If this is a harbinger for the Northern Hemisphere, I&#8217;d be inclined to stack plenty of wood!</p>
<p><a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/coldest-october-since-1945-in-nz-3107957" rel="nofollow">http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/coldest-october-since-1945-in-nz-3107957</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lennart Bilen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lennart Bilen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that Svensmark was right. It is the cosmic radiation.
SN 185, magnitude – 8  6000 light years away ended the Roman warm period.
SN 1006 magnitude -7.5 , 7500 light years away ended the Medieval warm period. (Southern hemisphere had the greatest influence)
SN 1054 magnitude -6  6500 light years away (the Crab Nebula) helped too
SN 1572 magnitude -4 8000 light years away (Tycho’s Nova) started the little ice age
SN 1604 magnitude -3 14000 light years away (Kepler’s Star) kept the little ice age going. Now its  influence is fading. And this is the warming trend we are now experiencing.
There hasn&#039;t been a supernova for a while, so the climate ought to be quite stable the next century. The scare mongers have gone from Global cooling (1970) to Global warming to Climare change. Maybe the best new mantra should be Climate No Change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that Svensmark was right. It is the cosmic radiation.<br />
SN 185, magnitude – 8  6000 light years away ended the Roman warm period.<br />
SN 1006 magnitude -7.5 , 7500 light years away ended the Medieval warm period. (Southern hemisphere had the greatest influence)<br />
SN 1054 magnitude -6  6500 light years away (the Crab Nebula) helped too<br />
SN 1572 magnitude -4 8000 light years away (Tycho’s Nova) started the little ice age<br />
SN 1604 magnitude -3 14000 light years away (Kepler’s Star) kept the little ice age going. Now its  influence is fading. And this is the warming trend we are now experiencing.<br />
There hasn&#8217;t been a supernova for a while, so the climate ought to be quite stable the next century. The scare mongers have gone from Global cooling (1970) to Global warming to Climare change. Maybe the best new mantra should be Climate No Change.</p>
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		<title>By: Don S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Will.  Thanks for taking on RW on the issue of &quot;instrumental record&quot; v historical record.  This is not a good venue for anyone to be talking about what is in the &quot;instrumental&quot; record, since the only valid survey ever done on the accuracy of the USHCN portion of that record was done here.  &quot;Instrumental record&quot;??  Show me the carfax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Will.  Thanks for taking on RW on the issue of &#8220;instrumental record&#8221; v historical record.  This is not a good venue for anyone to be talking about what is in the &#8220;instrumental&#8221; record, since the only valid survey ever done on the accuracy of the USHCN portion of that record was done here.  &#8220;Instrumental record&#8221;??  Show me the carfax.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rbateman (14:39:30) :

Ron de Haan (14:23:58) :

&quot;The snow that the Chinese have displaced is like the irritation of a virus to Climate. It will keep after it until it succeeds in collapsing that void, with force. It would be far better to move the Capital than move the snow&quot;.

You&#039;re quite right, 
I thought the experiment was interesting since Moscow want want to use the same technology to keep snow out of the inner city.
Engineering the local weather growing fashionable these day&#039;s
One advantage compared to the AGW mitigation, this time they do it to protect crops from hail, watering dry area&#039;s or saving money on snow clearing, hence they keep an eye on the economic aspects. AGW mitigation is one big black hole and a lot of risks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbateman (14:39:30) :</p>
<p>Ron de Haan (14:23:58) :</p>
<p>&#8220;The snow that the Chinese have displaced is like the irritation of a virus to Climate. It will keep after it until it succeeds in collapsing that void, with force. It would be far better to move the Capital than move the snow&#8221;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re quite right,<br />
I thought the experiment was interesting since Moscow want want to use the same technology to keep snow out of the inner city.<br />
Engineering the local weather growing fashionable these day&#8217;s<br />
One advantage compared to the AGW mitigation, this time they do it to protect crops from hail, watering dry area&#8217;s or saving money on snow clearing, hence they keep an eye on the economic aspects. AGW mitigation is one big black hole and a lot of risks.</p>
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