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	<title>Comments on: The Sun Defines the Climate &#8211; an essay from Russia</title>
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		<title>By: Oliver K. Manuel</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-259980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver K. Manuel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is little or no doubt that the Sun defines Earth&#039;s climate.

But I wonder if Dr. Habibullo Abdussamator has considered the multitude of space-age measurements since 1960 that indicate:

a.) The Sun is NOT a ball of hydrogen, but this lightest of all elements accumulates at the top of most stellar atmospheres;

b.) The Sun formed on the remnant neutron star that remained after the precursor star exploded 5 Gy ago and ejected all of the material that now orbits the Sun; and

c.) The Sun is heated by repulsive interactions between neutrons [1-4].

Has he considered how a compact, energetic solar core might produce changes in solar surface activity?

1. “Attraction and repulsion of nucleons: Sources of stellar energy”, J. Fusion Energy 19,(2001) 93-98.

http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts/jfeinterbetnuc.pdf

2. “Neutron repulsion confirmed as energy source”, J. Fusion Energy 20 (2002) 197-201.

http://web.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2003/jfe-neutronrep.pdf

3. “On the cosmic nuclear cycle and the similarity of nuclei and stars,” J. Fusion Energy 25 (2006) 107-114.

http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0511051

4. ” The Sun is a plasma diffuser that sorts atoms by mass,” Physics of Atomic Nuclei 69 (2006) 847-1856.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0609509

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is little or no doubt that the Sun defines Earth&#8217;s climate.</p>
<p>But I wonder if Dr. Habibullo Abdussamator has considered the multitude of space-age measurements since 1960 that indicate:</p>
<p>a.) The Sun is NOT a ball of hydrogen, but this lightest of all elements accumulates at the top of most stellar atmospheres;</p>
<p>b.) The Sun formed on the remnant neutron star that remained after the precursor star exploded 5 Gy ago and ejected all of the material that now orbits the Sun; and</p>
<p>c.) The Sun is heated by repulsive interactions between neutrons [1-4].</p>
<p>Has he considered how a compact, energetic solar core might produce changes in solar surface activity?</p>
<p>1. “Attraction and repulsion of nucleons: Sources of stellar energy”, J. Fusion Energy 19,(2001) 93-98.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts/jfeinterbetnuc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts/jfeinterbetnuc.pdf</a></p>
<p>2. “Neutron repulsion confirmed as energy source”, J. Fusion Energy 20 (2002) 197-201.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2003/jfe-neutronrep.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2003/jfe-neutronrep.pdf</a></p>
<p>3. “On the cosmic nuclear cycle and the similarity of nuclei and stars,” J. Fusion Energy 25 (2006) 107-114.</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0511051" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0511051</a></p>
<p>4. ” The Sun is a plasma diffuser that sorts atoms by mass,” Physics of Atomic Nuclei 69 (2006) 847-1856.</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0609509" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0609509</a></p>
<p>With kind regards,<br />
Oliver K. Manuel</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-219078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phlogiston (17:05:52) :
&lt;i&gt;Deception of course would be out of order. But perhaps it was accidental – for instance bulking up the reference list without checking further than the abstracts in some cases...&lt;/i&gt;
are you suggesting Abdussamatov did this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phlogiston (17:05:52) :<br />
<i>Deception of course would be out of order. But perhaps it was accidental – for instance bulking up the reference list without checking further than the abstracts in some cases&#8230;</i><br />
are you suggesting Abdussamatov did this?</p>
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		<title>By: Phlogiston</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phlogiston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (22:24:34)

Deception of course would be out of order. But perhaps it was accidental - for instance bulking up the reference list without checking further than the abstracts in some cases..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (22:24:34)</p>
<p>Deception of course would be out of order. But perhaps it was accidental &#8211; for instance bulking up the reference list without checking further than the abstracts in some cases..</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-216261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (22:24:34) :
&lt;i&gt;Phlogiston (18:50:47) :
(and using a conference poster plus an instrument calibration argument for support) seem a little too ambitious.&lt;/i&gt;
Of course it does NOT rest on these things alone....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (22:24:34) :<br />
<i>Phlogiston (18:50:47) :<br />
(and using a conference poster plus an instrument calibration argument for support) seem a little too ambitious.</i><br />
Of course it does NOT rest on these things alone&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215860</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phlogiston (18:50:47) :
&lt;i&gt;(and using a conference poster plus an instrument calibration argument for support) seem a little too ambitious.&lt;/i&gt;
Of course it does rest on these things alone. It is generally recognized that the early reconstructions were incorrect. My criticism is also based on the deception attempted in Figure 3.

It is, indeed, likely that there will be some cooling [PDO, etc], but not because of the Sun and not because of the arguments presented.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phlogiston (18:50:47) :<br />
<i>(and using a conference poster plus an instrument calibration argument for support) seem a little too ambitious.</i><br />
Of course it does rest on these things alone. It is generally recognized that the early reconstructions were incorrect. My criticism is also based on the deception attempted in Figure 3.</p>
<p>It is, indeed, likely that there will be some cooling [PDO, etc], but not because of the Sun and not because of the arguments presented.</p>
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		<title>By: matt v.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt v.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could increased proton events coming from the sun  lead to increased ozone depletion lead to more direct UVB penetration  and  eventually to more heating of lower levels of Stratosphere  and upper levels troposphere and thus affect the terrestial climate  to cause a low level of  global warming? You need about 0.005Cper year of background heating  to raise the climate by 0.5C /century. The short term decadal warming like 1994-2008 are from natural innternal variation causes like ENSO/PDO,AMO and NAO

http://www.atmos.colostate.edu/ao/ThompsonPapers/Hartmann.pdfof]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could increased proton events coming from the sun  lead to increased ozone depletion lead to more direct UVB penetration  and  eventually to more heating of lower levels of Stratosphere  and upper levels troposphere and thus affect the terrestial climate  to cause a low level of  global warming? You need about 0.005Cper year of background heating  to raise the climate by 0.5C /century. The short term decadal warming like 1994-2008 are from natural innternal variation causes like ENSO/PDO,AMO and NAO</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atmos.colostate.edu/ao/ThompsonPapers/Hartmann.pdfof" rel="nofollow">http://www.atmos.colostate.edu/ao/ThompsonPapers/Hartmann.pdfof</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phlogiston</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phlogiston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Svalgaard&#039;s dismissal of Dr Abdussamatov&#039;s paper, due to taking issue with one figure on historic TSI (and using a conference poster plus an instrument calibration argument for support) seem a little too ambitious.

The Russian paper does not rest only on historic TSI: it involves a number of other components:

(1) A serious inspection of climate history (19 cooling periods over 7500 years) which contrasts with the almost creationist approach by the AGW camp of ignoring climate history. Taking the past climate seriously is something that sets apart the pre-AGW and skeptic scientific cultures. Pro-AGW studies such as Pollock et al.&#039;s reconstruction from bore-holes and BACKWARD extrapolation of global temperature - to an asymptotic flat line - illustrate the contempt the AGW movement have for past climate history.

(2) The transition of the ocean heat budget from positive to negative in 2003 - well documented by several peer reviewed papers. Svalgaard has been silent on this part of Abdussamatov&#039;s paper.

(3) Recent TSI and the current decrease in sunspots and solar output, and the delayed cycle 24. (As distinct from historic reconstructed TSI.)

(4) Several decadal and century scale empirically visible climate cycles.

All these together lead the authors to make bold and highly testable / falsifiable conclusions: climate will stay flat-ish out to 2013 then nosedive. This fulfills the Karl Popper criteria of falsifiability for a scientific hypothesis. Again in striking contrast to AGW models which their rubbery flexibility to explain everything (Popper himself pointed out that a hypothesis that explains everything actually explains nothing).

Abdussamatov&#039;s paper survives even if figure 3 is wrong.

2013 is only 4 years away - a shorter time than many research grant timescales. Looking forward at the accuracy or otherwise of their predictions is at least as important as looking back at the TSI reconstruction which is only on out of several supporting pillars of the paper&#039;s arguments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Svalgaard&#8217;s dismissal of Dr Abdussamatov&#8217;s paper, due to taking issue with one figure on historic TSI (and using a conference poster plus an instrument calibration argument for support) seem a little too ambitious.</p>
<p>The Russian paper does not rest only on historic TSI: it involves a number of other components:</p>
<p>(1) A serious inspection of climate history (19 cooling periods over 7500 years) which contrasts with the almost creationist approach by the AGW camp of ignoring climate history. Taking the past climate seriously is something that sets apart the pre-AGW and skeptic scientific cultures. Pro-AGW studies such as Pollock et al.&#8217;s reconstruction from bore-holes and BACKWARD extrapolation of global temperature &#8211; to an asymptotic flat line &#8211; illustrate the contempt the AGW movement have for past climate history.</p>
<p>(2) The transition of the ocean heat budget from positive to negative in 2003 &#8211; well documented by several peer reviewed papers. Svalgaard has been silent on this part of Abdussamatov&#8217;s paper.</p>
<p>(3) Recent TSI and the current decrease in sunspots and solar output, and the delayed cycle 24. (As distinct from historic reconstructed TSI.)</p>
<p>(4) Several decadal and century scale empirically visible climate cycles.</p>
<p>All these together lead the authors to make bold and highly testable / falsifiable conclusions: climate will stay flat-ish out to 2013 then nosedive. This fulfills the Karl Popper criteria of falsifiability for a scientific hypothesis. Again in striking contrast to AGW models which their rubbery flexibility to explain everything (Popper himself pointed out that a hypothesis that explains everything actually explains nothing).</p>
<p>Abdussamatov&#8217;s paper survives even if figure 3 is wrong.</p>
<p>2013 is only 4 years away &#8211; a shorter time than many research grant timescales. Looking forward at the accuracy or otherwise of their predictions is at least as important as looking back at the TSI reconstruction which is only on out of several supporting pillars of the paper&#8217;s arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Massen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis Massen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read the essay carefully through a couple of times, and I remain uneasy on the lack of solid justifications of the 200 years oscillation.
At the paragraph below fig.8 the calculation of the warming shortage expressed in nuclear plants equivalent is badly wrong. Assuming a typical 2000 MW plant, the energy shortage due to 0.19W/m2 less TSI gives more or less 12000 plants, not 21 million ! (12000 is not bad either!) .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the essay carefully through a couple of times, and I remain uneasy on the lack of solid justifications of the 200 years oscillation.<br />
At the paragraph below fig.8 the calculation of the warming shortage expressed in nuclear plants equivalent is badly wrong. Assuming a typical 2000 MW plant, the energy shortage due to 0.19W/m2 less TSI gives more or less 12000 plants, not 21 million ! (12000 is not bad either!) .</p>
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		<title>By: matt v.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215560</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt v.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Global warming explained ?[see graph below]  not entirely .I think that  a possible cause of global warming trend of 0.5C /CENTURY is the gradual rise of the proton flux especially the higher level ones . OmniWeb has some plots  but  only to about 1970. It is difficult to get trends going back 100 years.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1900/to:2010./plot/sidc-ssn/from:1900/to:2010/trend

Has anyone done a similar graph for proton flux [  not solar flux]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming explained ?[see graph below]  not entirely .I think that  a possible cause of global warming trend of 0.5C /CENTURY is the gradual rise of the proton flux especially the higher level ones . OmniWeb has some plots  but  only to about 1970. It is difficult to get trends going back 100 years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1900/to:2010./plot/sidc-ssn/from:1900/to:2010/trend" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1900/to:2010./plot/sidc-ssn/from:1900/to:2010/trend</a></p>
<p>Has anyone done a similar graph for proton flux [  not solar flux]</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (16:14:57) :
&lt;i&gt;I say ’snake oil’.
REPLY: Maybe not snake oil, but some variant. Perhaps “reptile balm”. I get these forecasts from him regularly, and they are so full of self promotion I can hardly stand to read them. Mostly I just press delete rather than try to wade through it. Too much noise. – Anthony&lt;/i&gt;

Monckton has done his own credibility and his cause serious damage by endorsing this nonsense, and by &#039;congratulating&#039; Corbyn and &#039;Private Enterprise&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (16:14:57) :<br />
<i>I say ’snake oil’.<br />
REPLY: Maybe not snake oil, but some variant. Perhaps “reptile balm”. I get these forecasts from him regularly, and they are so full of self promotion I can hardly stand to read them. Mostly I just press delete rather than try to wade through it. Too much noise. – Anthony</i></p>
<p>Monckton has done his own credibility and his cause serious damage by endorsing this nonsense, and by &#8216;congratulating&#8217; Corbyn and &#8216;Private Enterprise&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan (15:19:44) :
&lt;i&gt;So, in a nutshell:
11*9.3 / (11 – 9.3) ~= 60 years
Truly mind-blowing.&lt;/i&gt;

For once, I&#039;ll have to agree with Paul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Vaughan (15:19:44) :<br />
<i>So, in a nutshell:<br />
11*9.3 / (11 – 9.3) ~= 60 years<br />
Truly mind-blowing.</i></p>
<p>For once, I&#8217;ll have to agree with Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anna v (14:14:22) :
&lt;i&gt;Here is a report of Corbyn’s method from an attendant of the “climate fools conference”&lt;/i&gt;

some comments on individual slides:
10: stop conveniently in mid 2008, before the increases in 2009
12: from the desrciption it looks like the obsolete Hout&amp;Schatten TSI was used. Or an early Lean.
28: stops conveniently in 1989, just before the correlation breaks down.
29: same problem. If averaged over the 60-yr SLAM [see slide 37] cycle, there are two data points with perfecr correlation
31: geomagnetic activity should show a clear 22-yr cycle too [and there is actually one; not on his plot]
32: would seem that one has to predict solar activity first one year ahead
36: the ultimate cyclomania
the rest: not weve wrong.

I say &#039;snake oil&#039;.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Maybe not snake oil, but some variant. Perhaps &quot;reptile balm&quot;. I get these forecasts from him regularly, and they are so full of self promotion I can hardly stand to read them. Mostly I just press delete rather than try to wade through it. Too much noise. - Anthony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anna v (14:14:22) :<br />
<i>Here is a report of Corbyn’s method from an attendant of the “climate fools conference”</i></p>
<p>some comments on individual slides:<br />
10: stop conveniently in mid 2008, before the increases in 2009<br />
12: from the desrciption it looks like the obsolete Hout&amp;Schatten TSI was used. Or an early Lean.<br />
28: stops conveniently in 1989, just before the correlation breaks down.<br />
29: same problem. If averaged over the 60-yr SLAM [see slide 37] cycle, there are two data points with perfecr correlation<br />
31: geomagnetic activity should show a clear 22-yr cycle too [and there is actually one; not on his plot]<br />
32: would seem that one has to predict solar activity first one year ahead<br />
36: the ultimate cyclomania<br />
the rest: not weve wrong.</p>
<p>I say &#8216;snake oil&#8217;.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Maybe not snake oil, but some variant. Perhaps &#8220;reptile balm&#8221;. I get these forecasts from him regularly, and they are so full of self promotion I can hardly stand to read them. Mostly I just press delete rather than try to wade through it. Too much noise. &#8211; Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Tenuc</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tenuc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a link to the .ppt used in the presentation.

www.weatheraction.com/pages/data/WAclimatechange.ppt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a link to the .ppt used in the presentation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/data/WAclimatechange.ppt" rel="nofollow">http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/data/WAclimatechange.ppt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maksimovich (12:21:35) :
&lt;i&gt;3)&quot;the desire of finding SOME variation&quot;
Which is a legitimate and natural line of inquiry.&lt;/i&gt;
But for the wrong reason: as an argument against AGW.

I have a desire to find variation too, but not for that reason. Should there be any, so more the better,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maksimovich (12:21:35) :<br />
<i>3)&#8221;the desire of finding SOME variation&#8221;<br />
Which is a legitimate and natural line of inquiry.</i><br />
But for the wrong reason: as an argument against AGW.</p>
<p>I have a desire to find variation too, but not for that reason. Should there be any, so more the better,</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/the-sun-defines-the-climate-an-essay-from-russia/#comment-215039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note to non-alarmists:
I think we need to seriously consider that Corbyn is an agent of the alarmists (on a puppet&#039;s mission to undermine the credibility of non-alarmists). [no sarcasm intended]

Mr. Corbyn: I invite you to prove me wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to non-alarmists:<br />
I think we need to seriously consider that Corbyn is an agent of the alarmists (on a puppet&#8217;s mission to undermine the credibility of non-alarmists). [no sarcasm intended]</p>
<p>Mr. Corbyn: I invite you to prove me wrong.</p>
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