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	<title>Comments on: Video: How some skeptics might view the &#8220;rush to save the planet now!&#8221; meme</title>
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		<title>By: Merlin23</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do I need window light on the sides or just use my strobe umbrella flash? ,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I need window light on the sides or just use my strobe umbrella flash? ,</p>
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		<title>By: Bob85</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Investigate basic ideas and concepts, put initial structure on the problem, frame critical research questions. ,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investigate basic ideas and concepts, put initial structure on the problem, frame critical research questions. ,</p>
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		<title>By: ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ralph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some actual airbag deployments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO0gy92J8Lw&amp;feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvZ3gaHk9E

Note that you don&#039;t necessarily get hit by the air bag and lose your glasses, but the deployment is much quicker than on the blog video.  Test airbags are not covered in chalk, so the cameras can see what is going on.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some actual airbag deployments:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/video-how-some-skeptics-might-view-the-rush-to-save-the-planet-now-meme/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/gO0gy92J8Lw/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvZ3gaHk9E" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvZ3gaHk9E</a></p>
<p>Note that you don&#8217;t necessarily get hit by the air bag and lose your glasses, but the deployment is much quicker than on the blog video.  Test airbags are not covered in chalk, so the cameras can see what is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: E.M.Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.M.Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fun video, but yeah, it&#039;s a &quot;put up job&quot;.  Watch it carefully, at about 17 to 18 seconds, right as bag lady gets her back swing going, there is a &#039;bang&#039; and the airbag deployment starts.  They missed the timing by about 1/2 second.  Probably because the guy in the car on the trigger allowed too much for his &#039;lag time&#039; on the trigger and set it off on the back swing instead of the impact.

And per it not being possible:  That depends entirely on the car and age.  There was a Japanese car that, when it first came out, was sensitive.  You could whack the bumper with a baseball bat and set it off.  Gang bangers liked to do that for a while &quot;for kicks&quot;.  Mazda? Nissan?  I forget... but a specific model and years.  

FWIW, the Japanese bags have a softer deployment than the US bags.  They are sized for smaller people and so are safer with children.  The German bags are also safer, largely due to more money spent on well designed systems (some are even two stage, depending in a weight sensor under the seat).  The head breaker models tended to be the US makers.  Sized for a 200 lb or so man and as cheap as they could make work acceptably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun video, but yeah, it&#8217;s a &#8220;put up job&#8221;.  Watch it carefully, at about 17 to 18 seconds, right as bag lady gets her back swing going, there is a &#8216;bang&#8217; and the airbag deployment starts.  They missed the timing by about 1/2 second.  Probably because the guy in the car on the trigger allowed too much for his &#8216;lag time&#8217; on the trigger and set it off on the back swing instead of the impact.</p>
<p>And per it not being possible:  That depends entirely on the car and age.  There was a Japanese car that, when it first came out, was sensitive.  You could whack the bumper with a baseball bat and set it off.  Gang bangers liked to do that for a while &#8220;for kicks&#8221;.  Mazda? Nissan?  I forget&#8230; but a specific model and years.  </p>
<p>FWIW, the Japanese bags have a softer deployment than the US bags.  They are sized for smaller people and so are safer with children.  The German bags are also safer, largely due to more money spent on well designed systems (some are even two stage, depending in a weight sensor under the seat).  The head breaker models tended to be the US makers.  Sized for a 200 lb or so man and as cheap as they could make work acceptably.</p>
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		<title>By: evanmjones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evanmjones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt it&#039;s a fraud. Just exaggerated (as usual). And nothing particularly out of the ordinary. Nothing to panic about or wreck the economy over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it&#8217;s a fraud. Just exaggerated (as usual). And nothing particularly out of the ordinary. Nothing to panic about or wreck the economy over.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Clarke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now I am confused. In the lead post we have :

&quot;McIntyre’s recent revelations about the majority of the hockey stick being based on a few tree cores in Yamal&quot;

And yet &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7244#comment-358456&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elsewhere&lt;/a&gt; we have ...

&quot;There are many issues pertaining to the Mann hockey stick, but the Yamal controversy is not one of them.&quot;

Huh? Do McIntyre&#039;s findings about Yamal damage Mann&#039;s Hockey Stick or not? And is the Hockey Stick relevant to what we do about global warming or is it perhaps best characterised as a somewhat tangential issue? Simply, is the Yamal kerfuffle really evidence that AGW is a fraud?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I am confused. In the lead post we have :</p>
<p>&#8220;McIntyre’s recent revelations about the majority of the hockey stick being based on a few tree cores in Yamal&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7244#comment-358456" rel="nofollow">elsewhere</a> we have &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;There are many issues pertaining to the Mann hockey stick, but the Yamal controversy is not one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh? Do McIntyre&#8217;s findings about Yamal damage Mann&#8217;s Hockey Stick or not? And is the Hockey Stick relevant to what we do about global warming or is it perhaps best characterised as a somewhat tangential issue? Simply, is the Yamal kerfuffle really evidence that AGW is a fraud?</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rbateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Rush to Save the Planet will go down the exact same way as the Iran Sanctions Talks:  China and Russia will balk, as will the rest of the developing world.
The net result will be years of wasted effort and billions poured down the drain of wishful thinking and false anxieties.
Do a remake of Leanord Nimoy&#039;s In Search of the Coming Ice Age, stick it in Theaters everywhere.  Nothing like some good old competition.
By the way...how&#039;s Baffin Island these days?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rush to Save the Planet will go down the exact same way as the Iran Sanctions Talks:  China and Russia will balk, as will the rest of the developing world.<br />
The net result will be years of wasted effort and billions poured down the drain of wishful thinking and false anxieties.<br />
Do a remake of Leanord Nimoy&#8217;s In Search of the Coming Ice Age, stick it in Theaters everywhere.  Nothing like some good old competition.<br />
By the way&#8230;how&#8217;s Baffin Island these days?</p>
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		<title>By: Gadget Sleuth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gadget Sleuth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The world has suffered through much worse things than what&#039;s happening now, and its still here.  I think going &quot;green&quot; with stuff is a good idea, but not to extreme that some are taking it to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world has suffered through much worse things than what&#8217;s happening now, and its still here.  I think going &#8220;green&#8221; with stuff is a good idea, but not to extreme that some are taking it to.</p>
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		<title>By: Dermot Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dermot Carroll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I find curious are adverts like this on WUWT.

Invest in Carbon Offsets
Is carbon offsetting the future? In-depth analysis. Read now!
www.AstonLloyd.co.uk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find curious are adverts like this on WUWT.</p>
<p>Invest in Carbon Offsets<br />
Is carbon offsetting the future? In-depth analysis. Read now!<br />
<a href="http://www.AstonLloyd.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.AstonLloyd.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zeke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Experts


&lt;i&gt;&quot;Check out the personnel and be afraid, be very afraid at the number of fresh-faced, just-out-of college “scientists”. This is the new generation, just out of the Nu-Labour education system and fed the Al Gore story, trained at UEA, Oxford, etc by the warmers. They also have brought in youngsters from other countries as well. They are qualified not in climate science, but in global warming mitigation, sociology, engineering, economics, etc.

They remind me of the &lt;b&gt; Midwich Cuckoos. &lt;/b&gt;

http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/people/staff-list-with-pictures?page=3 &lt;/i&gt;


Amplified from a post by DennisA (11:51:36) : Oct 14th emph added]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Experts</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Check out the personnel and be afraid, be very afraid at the number of fresh-faced, just-out-of college “scientists”. This is the new generation, just out of the Nu-Labour education system and fed the Al Gore story, trained at UEA, Oxford, etc by the warmers. They also have brought in youngsters from other countries as well. They are qualified not in climate science, but in global warming mitigation, sociology, engineering, economics, etc.</p>
<p>They remind me of the <b> Midwich Cuckoos. </b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/people/staff-list-with-pictures?page=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/people/staff-list-with-pictures?page=3</a> </i></p>
<p>Amplified from a post by DennisA (11:51:36) : Oct 14th emph added</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I gotta save the planet! MOVE IT YOU OLD SKEPTICS! (honkhonkhonk)&quot;

Hahaha! Yep, that&#039;s about how them planet-savers are! 

A while back, I was reading a greenie forum where the subject was IQ. Seems a number of them figured (all on their own, of course) that IQ of yesterday is inferior to IQ of today, thus an old person with an average IQ back in their time is basically retarded today (well, retarded enough to destroy the planet, according to one (presumably) young greenie). If I could remember (uh-oh. Am I OLD then?) the site I would post it, but unfortunately my memory fails. 

Anyway, one must wonder what kind of smarty-pants would ride in a car, when Gore knew how to grow wings and fly :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I gotta save the planet! MOVE IT YOU OLD SKEPTICS! (honkhonkhonk)&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahaha! Yep, that&#8217;s about how them planet-savers are! </p>
<p>A while back, I was reading a greenie forum where the subject was IQ. Seems a number of them figured (all on their own, of course) that IQ of yesterday is inferior to IQ of today, thus an old person with an average IQ back in their time is basically retarded today (well, retarded enough to destroy the planet, according to one (presumably) young greenie). If I could remember (uh-oh. Am I OLD then?) the site I would post it, but unfortunately my memory fails. </p>
<p>Anyway, one must wonder what kind of smarty-pants would ride in a car, when Gore knew how to grow wings and fly :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Henry chance</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry chance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW that’s not Joe Romm driving


He drives an E_Z Go electric golf cart?

We are seeking rubber band driven or wind driven vehicles.  Wind energy is far from green.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW that’s not Joe Romm driving</p>
<p>He drives an E_Z Go electric golf cart?</p>
<p>We are seeking rubber band driven or wind driven vehicles.  Wind energy is far from green.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas DC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas DC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hadow&#039;s conclusion was not unexpected.When you are expecting Schrödinger&#039;s cat to be dead she&#039;s dead.However in this case she just ran out of the box and is seeing a warm fire....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadow&#8217;s conclusion was not unexpected.When you are expecting Schrödinger&#8217;s cat to be dead she&#8217;s dead.However in this case she just ran out of the box and is seeing a warm fire&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: OceanTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OceanTwo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Further to my previous comment)

A prime example: the internet is a powerful tool, and yet the press does not pick up on the power:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091015/sc_afp/britaincanadaarcticclimateenvironmentscience

Depending on your standpoint (opinion) and knowledge of the facts, this is incontravertably biassed. But, of note are the following:

This is an (AFP) associate Free Press (?) piece. The reporters name, Elodie Mazein, almost seems inconsequential.

&lt;i&gt;Veteran polar explorer Hadow and two other Britons went out on the Arctic ice cap for 73 days during the northern spring, taking more than 6,000 measurements and observations of the sea ice.&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, a nice smattering of real numbers to legitimize the report. But who is Hadow, and these &#039;others&#039;? What are their qualifications? Are thy a group of frat boys out for jolly jaunt? Hah....the power of the internet. Perhaps the names are linked, so we can find out a bit of background on these &#039;expeditionists&#039;, to determine their fitness to the task in hand, without the reporter necessarily and tediously recounting their qualifications.

Well, no. No links to them in the article. But this isn&#039;t a technical limitation, since the words &#039;Polar Explorer&#039; are linked (&quot;Great Deals at Yahoo! Low Prices On polar explorers.&quot;) which is useless this context.

This all reinforces the fact that the news isn&#039;t about the news any more. It&#039;s about giving just enough information to get the reader to form an opinion on a matter, usually aligning with the written piece.

This is subtly different from an opinion column although quite similar, and is most insidious. The age old phrase &quot;don&#039;t believe everything you read&quot; has fallen out of use but is, as yet, more and more important today as it ever was. How many young adults have been taught this? I recall as a youngster asking my parents about things in my naivete (&quot;dad,....is this true?!&quot;) and this was a most suitable answer to ensure a healthy dose of skepticism in everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Further to my previous comment)</p>
<p>A prime example: the internet is a powerful tool, and yet the press does not pick up on the power:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091015/sc_afp/britaincanadaarcticclimateenvironmentscience" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091015/sc_afp/britaincanadaarcticclimateenvironmentscience</a></p>
<p>Depending on your standpoint (opinion) and knowledge of the facts, this is incontravertably biassed. But, of note are the following:</p>
<p>This is an (AFP) associate Free Press (?) piece. The reporters name, Elodie Mazein, almost seems inconsequential.</p>
<p><i>Veteran polar explorer Hadow and two other Britons went out on the Arctic ice cap for 73 days during the northern spring, taking more than 6,000 measurements and observations of the sea ice.</i></p>
<p>Okay, a nice smattering of real numbers to legitimize the report. But who is Hadow, and these &#8216;others&#8217;? What are their qualifications? Are thy a group of frat boys out for jolly jaunt? Hah&#8230;.the power of the internet. Perhaps the names are linked, so we can find out a bit of background on these &#8216;expeditionists&#8217;, to determine their fitness to the task in hand, without the reporter necessarily and tediously recounting their qualifications.</p>
<p>Well, no. No links to them in the article. But this isn&#8217;t a technical limitation, since the words &#8216;Polar Explorer&#8217; are linked (&#8220;Great Deals at Yahoo! Low Prices On polar explorers.&#8221;) which is useless this context.</p>
<p>This all reinforces the fact that the news isn&#8217;t about the news any more. It&#8217;s about giving just enough information to get the reader to form an opinion on a matter, usually aligning with the written piece.</p>
<p>This is subtly different from an opinion column although quite similar, and is most insidious. The age old phrase &#8220;don&#8217;t believe everything you read&#8221; has fallen out of use but is, as yet, more and more important today as it ever was. How many young adults have been taught this? I recall as a youngster asking my parents about things in my naivete (&#8220;dad,&#8230;.is this true?!&#8221;) and this was a most suitable answer to ensure a healthy dose of skepticism in everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Gore's Holy Hologram</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Gore's Holy Hologram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People don&#039;t tend to trust the media anyway. The hysterical and scare stories by the media bring more people in search of a balanced or counter opinion, then they find sites like WUWT. That&#039;s good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t tend to trust the media anyway. The hysterical and scare stories by the media bring more people in search of a balanced or counter opinion, then they find sites like WUWT. That&#8217;s good.</p>
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