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	<title>Comments on: Another possible DMSP/SSMI sea ice sensor failure?</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Tatz</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/another-possible-dmspssmi-sea-ice-sensor-failure/#comment-207463</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Tatz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No update for http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/  since Oct 11.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No update for <a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/</a>  since Oct 11.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Odin</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/another-possible-dmspssmi-sea-ice-sensor-failure/#comment-205462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Odin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009252/crefl1_143.A2009252204500-2009252204959.250m.jpg

This a satellite shot
from the file--
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/2009252/?multiple&amp;resolutionlist

Lower and middle right shows
shattered scattered ice pieces 
which can only be the result of intense 
icebreaker activity--
warm water or air does not disrupt ice in this manner--
With minimal attention it 
will be easy for you to differentiate 
between the ice chunks and the cloud cover.]]></description>
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<p>This a satellite shot<br />
from the file&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/2009252/?multiple&#038;resolutionlist" rel="nofollow">http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/2009252/?multiple&#038;resolutionlist</a></p>
<p>Lower and middle right shows<br />
shattered scattered ice pieces<br />
which can only be the result of intense<br />
icebreaker activity&#8211;<br />
warm water or air does not disrupt ice in this manner&#8211;<br />
With minimal attention it<br />
will be easy for you to differentiate<br />
between the ice chunks and the cloud cover.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert E. Phelan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/another-possible-dmspssmi-sea-ice-sensor-failure/#comment-204894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert E. Phelan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CodeTech (12:16:10) : 

last time I saw THAT word was in Billy Bathgate.  Ranks up there with &quot;caprophagous&quot;... which is my considered and erudite opinion of catastrophic warmers in general and RC commenters in particular.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CodeTech (12:16:10) : </p>
<p>last time I saw THAT word was in Billy Bathgate.  Ranks up there with &#8220;caprophagous&#8221;&#8230; which is my considered and erudite opinion of catastrophic warmers in general and RC commenters in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: DeWitt Payne</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/another-possible-dmspssmi-sea-ice-sensor-failure/#comment-204880</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeWitt Payne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sea ice page of Spreen and Kaleschke at Uni-Hamburg has data from AMSR-E for area and extent for both poles.  They only update once/month, though.  Their ftp server is here: ftp://ftp-projects.zmaw.de/seaice/AMSR-E_ASI_IceConc/area-extent/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sea ice page of Spreen and Kaleschke at Uni-Hamburg has data from AMSR-E for area and extent for both poles.  They only update once/month, though.  Their ftp server is here: <a href="ftp://ftp-projects.zmaw.de/seaice/AMSR-E_ASI_IceConc/area-extent/" rel="nofollow">ftp://ftp-projects.zmaw.de/seaice/AMSR-E_ASI_IceConc/area-extent/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ToddE</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ToddE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On this upcoming Sunday the Air Force is planning to launch DMSP F18.  The launch time is set for 9:12 am PDT.  It will launch from Vandenberg AFB, CA and head south over the Pacific.  Anyone on California&#039;s central and southern coastal areas should have a good view.  It appears that the weather will be very nice and visibility should be excellent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this upcoming Sunday the Air Force is planning to launch DMSP F18.  The launch time is set for 9:12 am PDT.  It will launch from Vandenberg AFB, CA and head south over the Pacific.  Anyone on California&#8217;s central and southern coastal areas should have a good view.  It appears that the weather will be very nice and visibility should be excellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Id</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Id]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m currently working on downloading the data from ASMR-E.  It&#039;s in a nightmarish format from the NSIDC which forces you to download 50mb files for each day and separate the part you want out using an asinine data format invented for &#039;data sharing&#039;  it&#039;s a nightmare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently working on downloading the data from ASMR-E.  It&#8217;s in a nightmarish format from the NSIDC which forces you to download 50mb files for each day and separate the part you want out using an asinine data format invented for &#8216;data sharing&#8217;  it&#8217;s a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: enduser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[enduser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jari (19:46:24) :
DMI is Danish, not Dutch.
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But Denmark is actually IN the Netherlands, right Jari? [Just kidding]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jari (19:46:24) :<br />
DMI is Danish, not Dutch.<br />
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<p>But Denmark is actually IN the Netherlands, right Jari? [Just kidding]</p>
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		<title>By: CodeTech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CodeTech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George E. Smith, I hope you&#039;re not quoting my favorite Vogon piece in order to mock it! I have oft longed again to experience crinkly bindlewurdles. And nobody, NOBODY can take away the breathtaking enjoyment of micturation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George E. Smith, I hope you&#8217;re not quoting my favorite Vogon piece in order to mock it! I have oft longed again to experience crinkly bindlewurdles. And nobody, NOBODY can take away the breathtaking enjoyment of micturation.</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/another-possible-dmspssmi-sea-ice-sensor-failure/#comment-204761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;&quot;   Pragmatic (10:00:59) : 

Janice (07:17:49) : 

Perhaps arctic sensors and satellites appear to be sentient beings, and a Vogon is reading poetry to them, and they are self-destructing in an attempt to make the pain stop.

Not altogether unbelievable. Here is a sample of Vogon poetry:

“Oh freddled gruntbuggley, thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don’t!    &quot;&quot;&quot;


I&#039;ve actually heard people who can talk like that for three hours straight; they do it all the time on &quot;Coast to Coast AM&quot; that evolved out of the Art Bell Radio show; now hosted by George Noory.

They rattle on about Harmonic Convergences, and other tripe; and they do it in such a way, that half the time, I can&#039;t tell if George believes a word of it or not; same goes for some of his other hosts that do the program on the weekends.

Sometimes you even can read that stuff here on WUWT; and it even gets followed by other visitors.

George]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"   Pragmatic (10:00:59) : </p>
<p>Janice (07:17:49) : </p>
<p>Perhaps arctic sensors and satellites appear to be sentient beings, and a Vogon is reading poetry to them, and they are self-destructing in an attempt to make the pain stop.</p>
<p>Not altogether unbelievable. Here is a sample of Vogon poetry:</p>
<p>“Oh freddled gruntbuggley, thy micturations are to me<br />
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee<br />
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes<br />
And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don’t!    &#8220;&#8221;"</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually heard people who can talk like that for three hours straight; they do it all the time on &#8220;Coast to Coast AM&#8221; that evolved out of the Art Bell Radio show; now hosted by George Noory.</p>
<p>They rattle on about Harmonic Convergences, and other tripe; and they do it in such a way, that half the time, I can&#8217;t tell if George believes a word of it or not; same goes for some of his other hosts that do the program on the weekends.</p>
<p>Sometimes you even can read that stuff here on WUWT; and it even gets followed by other visitors.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pragmatic (10:00:59) -

Now you&#039;ve done it.  My CPU just tried to escape so it could throw itself off the balcony.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragmatic (10:00:59) -</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;ve done it.  My CPU just tried to escape so it could throw itself off the balcony.</p>
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		<title>By: Pragmatic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/another-possible-dmspssmi-sea-ice-sensor-failure/#comment-204721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pragmatic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Janice (07:17:49) : 

&lt;i&gt;Perhaps arctic sensors and satellites appear to be sentient beings, and a Vogon is reading poetry to them, and they are self-destructing in an attempt to make the pain stop.&lt;/i&gt;

Not altogether unbelievable.  Here is a sample of Vogon poetry:

&quot;Oh freddled gruntbuggley, thy micturations are to me
     As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
     And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don&#039;t! 

Apologies...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice (07:17:49) : </p>
<p><i>Perhaps arctic sensors and satellites appear to be sentient beings, and a Vogon is reading poetry to them, and they are self-destructing in an attempt to make the pain stop.</i></p>
<p>Not altogether unbelievable.  Here is a sample of Vogon poetry:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh freddled gruntbuggley, thy micturations are to me<br />
     As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee<br />
Groop I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes<br />
     And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles, or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, see if I don&#8217;t! </p>
<p>Apologies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That downward trend has been corrected in the interesting form of an upward squiggle.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
							Sorry, forgot to add great post! Can&#039;t wait to see your next post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That downward trend has been corrected in the interesting form of an upward squiggle.</p>
<p><a href="http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php" rel="nofollow">http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php</a><br />
							Sorry, forgot to add great post! Can&#8217;t wait to see your next post!</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/14/another-possible-dmspssmi-sea-ice-sensor-failure/#comment-204707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That downward trend has been corrected in the interesting form of an upward squiggle.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That downward trend has been corrected in the interesting form of an upward squiggle.</p>
<p><a href="http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php" rel="nofollow">http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hugoson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Hugoson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read with great mirth Steve H&#039;s tale about losing his sail boat. I suspect he&#039;s off on Lake Minnetonka, about 2 miles from where I live. 

What he didn&#039;t mention (I will) is that the smaller lakes and ponds now are having an ice layer on them. That is rather ODD for MN this early. Today it is rain and snow. I&#039;m looking out at trees covered with GREEN leafs! Apparently the cold has come on us so fast, that it has &quot;locked&quot; the leafs on the trees, &quot;frozen&quot; them, as it would be, at the late summer early fall stage. Now for the kicker - - - this is being blamed on a deep jet stream pull, bringing down an ARCTIC AIR BLAST.

Maybe Catlin can come to Lake Minnetonka in January, and get some &quot;Arctic expidition practice&quot;. Nice thing is, by following the right route, they could pop off for a nice burger or &quot;Bloody Mary&quot;, in a warm business..when the going gets too rough. Well, copping out early should be no problem for them. (They&#039;ve done it before.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read with great mirth Steve H&#8217;s tale about losing his sail boat. I suspect he&#8217;s off on Lake Minnetonka, about 2 miles from where I live. </p>
<p>What he didn&#8217;t mention (I will) is that the smaller lakes and ponds now are having an ice layer on them. That is rather ODD for MN this early. Today it is rain and snow. I&#8217;m looking out at trees covered with GREEN leafs! Apparently the cold has come on us so fast, that it has &#8220;locked&#8221; the leafs on the trees, &#8220;frozen&#8221; them, as it would be, at the late summer early fall stage. Now for the kicker &#8211; - &#8211; this is being blamed on a deep jet stream pull, bringing down an ARCTIC AIR BLAST.</p>
<p>Maybe Catlin can come to Lake Minnetonka in January, and get some &#8220;Arctic expidition practice&#8221;. Nice thing is, by following the right route, they could pop off for a nice burger or &#8220;Bloody Mary&#8221;, in a warm business..when the going gets too rough. Well, copping out early should be no problem for them. (They&#8217;ve done it before.)</p>
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		<title>By: Phil.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;So the biggest names in sea ice data on the web, NSIDC, Cryrosphere Today, NANSEN, and now DMI, all of which use SSMI data, have had problems with it. The IARC-JAXA data has held steady.

This is why I prefer using the JAXA AMSRE data from the AQUA satellite to look at current and recent history sea ice events. The newer AMSRE sensor has not shown any such errors, drifts or glitches during its history.&lt;/em&gt;

Likewise, all though I also use CT because I prefer area over extent and that has a longer history.  CT changed to AMSR_E anyway but have apparently done a splice for their comparison page (although I don&#039;t use that often).  NSIDC switched to the other SSMI satellite and appears to be OK since.
After ArcticROOS did their switch it looked too erratic to me so I haven&#039;t used it in a long while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So the biggest names in sea ice data on the web, NSIDC, Cryrosphere Today, NANSEN, and now DMI, all of which use SSMI data, have had problems with it. The IARC-JAXA data has held steady.</p>
<p>This is why I prefer using the JAXA AMSRE data from the AQUA satellite to look at current and recent history sea ice events. The newer AMSRE sensor has not shown any such errors, drifts or glitches during its history.</em></p>
<p>Likewise, all though I also use CT because I prefer area over extent and that has a longer history.  CT changed to AMSR_E anyway but have apparently done a splice for their comparison page (although I don&#8217;t use that often).  NSIDC switched to the other SSMI satellite and appears to be OK since.<br />
After ArcticROOS did their switch it looked too erratic to me so I haven&#8217;t used it in a long while.</p>
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